Metal vs. Pop

[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]I am 14 years old, but unlike the others I know the difference between good and bad music. Most metal sucks. Infact, I'd say about 95% of all music sucks. Across all genres. There are few musicians that are actually any good.DmadFearmonger

There is no clearly defined "good" and "bad" music. For example, Radiohead is considered one of the greatest bands of this generation. But personally, much of their stuff puts me to sleep. I'd rather listen to some alternative pop (i.e. The Vaselines) any day.

[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]I am 14 years old, but unlike the others I know the difference between good and bad music. Most metal sucks. Infact, I'd say about 95% of all music sucks. Across all genres. There are few musicians that are actually any good.DmadFearmonger

There is no clearly defined "good" and "bad" music. For example, Radiohead is considered one of the greatest bands of this generation. But personally, much of their stuff puts me to sleep. I'd rather listen to some alternative pop (i.e. The Vaselines) any day.

Music is one of the most subjective forms of art on the planet, someone is not being ignorant of a bands "brillience" just because they don't like them. A person can apreciate a bands technical abilities but still not find the music particularly interesting. Seriously though, I'm still laughing that a 14 year old thinks he's an expert on music. Kids these days...

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

As bad as pop canbe at times, the majority of metal I've heard pretty much has no sense of songcraft whereas there's actually alot of very good pop songwriting from the past.

I also think pop has more variety. Pop runs the gamut from stuff like Michael Jackson to stuff like Outkast. Most metal I've heard sounds samey. Same sort of textures, same sort of atmospheres, samey vocals inflections, etc.

Celldrax

Pop is more varied than metal? lol

Yep. Like I said, find me two metal songs that sound more different from eachother than the song "Hey Ya" by Outkast and "Like A Virgin" by Madonna.

Most all metal shares certain qualities whereas you can find pop songs that have little in common as far as their general sound is concerned.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

As bad as pop canbe at times, the majority of metal I've heard pretty much has no sense of songcraft whereas there's actually alot of very good pop songwriting from the past.

I also think pop has more variety. Pop runs the gamut from stuff like Michael Jackson to stuff like Outkast. Most metal I've heard sounds samey. Same sort of textures, same sort of atmospheres, samey vocals inflections, etc.

XxxExtremeNJBXx

Outkast has pop songs. Hey Ya is certainly not a rap song.

But I come up with a different example.

Elton John and Kesha are both clearly pop artists, yet there is worlds of difference between them, more difference than you'll find in most metal songs.

Now I know somebody is going to bring up the point that pop has more similar song structures, but I fail to see why that matters. Just going off their general sound, Elton John and Kesha are more different from eachother thanmost metal bands are from eachother.

If you're a pop lover It's obvious that you are judging metal based on the screamer crap you're hearing alone, take the time to become educated please

Part 1 of the brilliance

Part 2 of the brilliance

DmadFearmonger

Dream Theater sounds pretty decent, but what makes you think I'm going to abandon my favorite pop songs for that? There's alot to like about the instrumental, but the melody doesn't really do anything for me.

These are the kind of songs I'm going to keep coming back to, songs with a beautiful andunforgettable melody:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyByGz09nM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-PB3-g_Jdk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zieZ0Pi5bR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opGVGKw_lDU

[QUOTE="Celldrax"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

As bad as pop canbe at times, the majority of metal I've heard pretty much has no sense of songcraft whereas there's actually alot of very good pop songwriting from the past.

I also think pop has more variety. Pop runs the gamut from stuff like Michael Jackson to stuff like Outkast. Most metal I've heard sounds samey. Same sort of textures, same sort of atmospheres, samey vocals inflections, etc.

GreySeal9

Pop is more varied than metal? lol

Yep. Like I said, find me two metal songs that sound more different from eachother than the song "Hey Ya" by Outkast and "Like A Virgin" by Madonna.

Most all metal shares certain qualities whereas you can find pop songs that have little in common as far as their general sound is concerned.

Well that's down to the instruments, metal always uses drums, electric guitars and electric bass, thats what makes metal metal. But ofcourse you can layer all kinds of instruments over it, but yeah, you can't have the huge vareity of sounds that pop has. Most of metals variety comes down to how they actualy play the instruments and the song structures.

But i'll try to give you some examples:
Ok some more mellow songs:

Opeth - Burden
Dismember - Nenia
Cynic - Textures
Atheist - Unquestionable Presence

The more aggresive ones:
Death - Lack of Comprehension
Sepultura - Arise
Opeth - Heir Apparent
Carcass - Heartwork
The most aggresive ones:
Cannibal Corpse - Hammer Smashed Face
Napalm Death - Siege of Power
Gorgasm - Lacerated Masturbation
Immortal - All Shall Fall

I doubt you'll listen to any of these, or if you will that it will change your opinion, but whatever :P

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]

If you're a pop lover It's obvious that you are judging metal based on the screamer crap you're hearing alone, take the time to become educated please

Part 1 of the brilliance

Part 2 of the brilliance

GreySeal9

Dream Theater sounds pretty decent, but what makes you think I'm going to abandon my favorite pop songs for that? There's alot to like about the instrumental, but the melody doesn't really do anything for me.

These are the kind of songs I'm going to keep coming back to, songs with a beautiful andunforgettable melody:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyByGz09nM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-PB3-g_Jdk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zieZ0Pi5bR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opGVGKw_lDU

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Celldrax"]

Pop is more varied than metal? lol

chaplainDMK

Yep. Like I said, find me two metal songs that sound more different from eachother than the song "Hey Ya" by Outkast and "Like A Virgin" by Madonna.

Most all metal shares certain qualities whereas you can find pop songs that have little in common as far as their general sound is concerned.

Well that's down to the instruments, metal always uses drums, electric guitars and electric bass, thats what makes metal metal. But ofcourse you can layer all kinds of instruments over it, but yeah, you can't have the huge vareity of sounds that pop has. Most of metals variety comes down to how they actualy play the instruments and the song structures.

But i'll try to give you some examples:
Ok some more mellow songs:

Opeth - Burden
Dismember - Nenia
Cynic - Textures
Atheist - Unquestionable Presence

The more aggresive ones:
Death - Lack of Comprehension
Sepultura - Arise
Opeth - Heir Apparent
Carcass - Heartwork
The most aggresive ones:
Cannibal Corpse - Hammer Smashed Face
Napalm Death - Siege of Power
Gorgasm - Lacerated Masturbation
Immortal - All Shall Fall

I doubt you'll listen to any of these, or if you will that it will change your opinion, but whatever :P

I don't have time to listentoall of these (although I have heard a few of these before actually: Textures and Hammer Smashed Face; I like the former and hate the latter), but I have listened toa fewfrom each category and this is what I got to say:

There isdefinitelyclearly noticeable variety within the first group that you posted and I actually like three of the songs from tha category: that Burden song had a verypretty melody, Textureshad some beautiful instrumental work (though it sounded more like prog rock withsomemetal flavorings to me) andNeniahad nice guitar work.Ididn't care for the Athiest song though. Started out kind of interesting, but sounded like the same old, same old at the end.

The more aggressive songs is where the sense of variety starts to break down for me. Yeah, they do demonstrate a good amount of variety from the softer ones, but they honestly kind of blur together. It's almost like the aggressive vocals andaggressive instrumentals kind of homogenize the music ina way that the softer stuff doesn't.

Just going off their general sound, Elton John and Kesha are more different from eachother thanmost metal bands are from eachother.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]

If you're a pop lover It's obvious that you are judging metal based on the screamer crap you're hearing alone, take the time to become educated please

Part 1 of the brilliance

Part 2 of the brilliance

chaplainDMK

Dream Theater sounds pretty decent, but what makes you think I'm going to abandon my favorite pop songs for that? There's alot to like about the instrumental, but the melody doesn't really do anything for me.

These are the kind of songs I'm going to keep coming back to, songs with a beautiful andunforgettable melody:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyByGz09nM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-PB3-g_Jdk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zieZ0Pi5bR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opGVGKw_lDU

Well, yeah they are soul, butI think they couldqualify as pop as well.I mean,The Beatles are definitely rock, but they are pop also.

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Yep. Like I said, find me two metal songs that sound more different from eachother than the song "Hey Ya" by Outkast and "Like A Virgin" by Madonna.

Most all metal shares certain qualities whereas you can find pop songs that have little in common as far as their general sound is concerned.

GreySeal9

Well that's down to the instruments, metal always uses drums, electric guitars and electric bass, thats what makes metal metal. But ofcourse you can layer all kinds of instruments over it, but yeah, you can't have the huge vareity of sounds that pop has. Most of metals variety comes down to how they actualy play the instruments and the song structures.

But i'll try to give you some examples:
Ok some more mellow songs:

Opeth - Burden
Dismember - Nenia
Cynic - Textures
Atheist - Unquestionable Presence

The more aggresive ones:
Death - Lack of Comprehension
Sepultura - Arise
Opeth - Heir Apparent
Carcass - Heartwork
The most aggresive ones:
Cannibal Corpse - Hammer Smashed Face
Napalm Death - Siege of Power
Gorgasm - Lacerated Masturbation
Immortal - All Shall Fall

I doubt you'll listen to any of these, or if you will that it will change your opinion, but whatever :P

I don't have time to listentoall of these (although I have heard a few of these before actually: Textures and Hammer Smashed Face; I like the former and hate the latter), but I have listened toa fewfrom each category and this is what I got to say:

There isdefinitelyclearly noticeable variety within the first group that you posted and I actually like three of the songs from tha category: that Burden song had a verypretty melody, Textureshad some beautiful instrumental work (though it sounded more like prog rock withsomemetal flavorings to me) andNeniahad nice guitar work.Ididn't care for the Athiest song though. Started out kind of interesting, but sounded like the same old, same old at the end.

The more aggressive songs is where the sense of variety starts to break down for me. Yeah, they do demonstrate a good amount of variety from the softer ones, but they honestly kind of blur together. It's almost like the aggressive vocals andaggressive instrumentals kind of homogenize the music ina way that the softer stuff doesn't.

But ofcourse I don't realy mind if you listen to pop or anything, to each his own, thankfuly we are all differant on this beautiful earth :)

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Just going off their general sound, Elton John and Kesha are more different from eachother thanmost metal bands are from eachother.

Saturos3091

Well, it is one big opinion. It only really makes sense to me to judge based on what clearly sounds different to me.

If two metal songs sound similar to me, I'm hardly going to change my opinion if Ifind out that they have different keys ortime signatures.

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Dream Theater sounds pretty decent, but what makes you think I'm going to abandon my favorite pop songs for that? There's alot to like about the instrumental, but the melody doesn't really do anything for me.

These are the kind of songs I'm going to keep coming back to, songs with a beautiful andunforgettable melody:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyByGz09nM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-PB3-g_Jdk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zieZ0Pi5bR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opGVGKw_lDU

GreySeal9

Well, yeah they are soul, butI think they couldqualify as pop as well.I mean,The Beatles are definitely rock, but they are pop also.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

Well that's down to the instruments, metal always uses drums, electric guitars and electric bass, thats what makes metal metal. But ofcourse you can layer all kinds of instruments over it, but yeah, you can't have the huge vareity of sounds that pop has. Most of metals variety comes down to how they actualy play the instruments and the song structures.

But i'll try to give you some examples:
Ok some more mellow songs:

Opeth - Burden
Dismember - Nenia
Cynic - Textures
Atheist - Unquestionable Presence

The more aggresive ones:
Death - Lack of Comprehension
Sepultura - Arise
Opeth - Heir Apparent
Carcass - Heartwork
The most aggresive ones:
Cannibal Corpse - Hammer Smashed Face
Napalm Death - Siege of Power
Gorgasm - Lacerated Masturbation
Immortal - All Shall Fall

I doubt you'll listen to any of these, or if you will that it will change your opinion, but whatever :P

chaplainDMK

I don't have time to listentoall of these (although I have heard a few of these before actually: Textures and Hammer Smashed Face; I like the former and hate the latter), but I have listened toa fewfrom each category and this is what I got to say:

There isdefinitelyclearly noticeable variety within the first group that you posted and I actually like three of the songs from tha category: that Burden song had a verypretty melody, Textureshad some beautiful instrumental work (though it sounded more like prog rock withsomemetal flavorings to me) andNeniahad nice guitar work.Ididn't care for the Athiest song though. Started out kind of interesting, but sounded like the same old, same old at the end.

The more aggressive songs is where the sense of variety starts to break down for me. Yeah, they do demonstrate a good amount of variety from the softer ones, but they honestly kind of blur together. It's almost like the aggressive vocals andaggressive instrumentals kind of homogenize the music ina way that the softer stuff doesn't.

But ofcourse I don't realy mind if you listen to pop or anything, to each his own, thankfuly we are all differant on this beautiful earth :)

It's doubtful that I'll aquire a taste for something like Cannibal Corpse, but I guess anything is possible. I will give a metal song credit when I like it though. I did genuinely think that Opeth song had a really nice melody and a nice instrumental aswell.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"] Half of your songs are soul dude... :PchaplainDMK

Well, yeah they are soul, butI think they couldqualify as pop as well.I mean,The Beatles are definitely rock, but they are pop also.

Admittedly, its variety does come from not having as many central characteristics as something like metal. It's sort of a melting pot of genres being given a sort of pop makeover. For instance, there's salsa music. And then there's salsa music that's forced into a pop format and made into a pop song.

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I don't have time to listentoall of these (although I have heard a few of these before actually: Textures and Hammer Smashed Face; I like the former and hate the latter), but I have listened toa fewfrom each category and this is what I got to say:

There isdefinitelyclearly noticeable variety within the first group that you posted and I actually like three of the songs from tha category: that Burden song had a verypretty melody, Textureshad some beautiful instrumental work (though it sounded more like prog rock withsomemetal flavorings to me) andNeniahad nice guitar work.Ididn't care for the Athiest song though. Started out kind of interesting, but sounded like the same old, same old at the end.

The more aggressive songs is where the sense of variety starts to break down for me. Yeah, they do demonstrate a good amount of variety from the softer ones, but they honestly kind of blur together. It's almost like the aggressive vocals andaggressive instrumentals kind of homogenize the music ina way that the softer stuff doesn't.

GreySeal9

But ofcourse I don't realy mind if you listen to pop or anything, to each his own, thankfuly we are all differant on this beautiful earth :)

It's doubtful that I'll aquire a taste for something like Cannibal Corpse, but I guess anything is possible. I will give a metal song credit when I like it though. I did genuinely think that Opeth song had a really nice melody and a nice instrumental aswell.

[QUOTE="Celldrax"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

As bad as pop canbe at times, the majority of metal I've heard pretty much has no sense of songcraft whereas there's actually alot of very good pop songwriting from the past.

I also think pop has more variety. Pop runs the gamut from stuff like Michael Jackson to stuff like Outkast. Most metal I've heard sounds samey. Same sort of textures, same sort of atmospheres, samey vocals inflections, etc.

GreySeal9

Pop is more varied than metal? lol

Yep. Like I said, find me two metal songs that sound more different from eachother than the song "Hey Ya" by Outkast and "Like A Virgin" by Madonna.

Most all metal shares certain qualities whereas you can find pop songs that have little in common as far as their general sound is concerned.

Check out the Unforgiven I by Metallica, and American Love by Haste the Day. With American love, listen to it all the way through, even if it's difficult for you.

It's really hard to classify pop as a definite genre. Similarly, the "indie" genre is another that isn't really a full-fledged genre. Indie just refers to independently recorded, so early TFK could be considered "indie." Anything from Toby Mac is technically "indie" because he records from his private label. I mention that to say this, pop is "popular" music. That's literally what it stands for. What's popular is constantly changing, so it's hard to classify too much in this genre. Pop music has so much variety because, so many bands of different genres, can be lumped into the category. The Beatles were once considered "hard rock" now they're called pop. Led Zep was once "metal" now they're "classic rock" some even call them "mellow rock."

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

Well that's down to the instruments, metal always uses drums, electric guitars and electric bass, thats what makes metal metal. But ofcourse you can layer all kinds of instruments over it, but yeah, you can't have the huge vareity of sounds that pop has. Most of metals variety comes down to how they actualy play the instruments and the song structures.

But i'll try to give you some examples:
Ok some more mellow songs:

Opeth - Burden
Dismember - Nenia
Cynic - Textures
Atheist - Unquestionable Presence

The more aggresive ones:
Death - Lack of Comprehension
Sepultura - Arise
Opeth - Heir Apparent
Carcass - Heartwork
The most aggresive ones:
Cannibal Corpse - Hammer Smashed Face
Napalm Death - Siege of Power
Gorgasm - Lacerated Masturbation
Immortal - All Shall Fall

I doubt you'll listen to any of these, or if you will that it will change your opinion, but whatever :P

chaplainDMK

I don't have time to listentoall of these (although I have heard a few of these before actually: Textures and Hammer Smashed Face; I like the former and hate the latter), but I have listened toa fewfrom each category and this is what I got to say:

There isdefinitelyclearly noticeable variety within the first group that you posted and I actually like three of the songs from tha category: that Burden song had a verypretty melody, Textureshad some beautiful instrumental work (though it sounded more like prog rock withsomemetal flavorings to me) andNeniahad nice guitar work.Ididn't care for the Athiest song though. Started out kind of interesting, but sounded like the same old, same old at the end.

The more aggressive songs is where the sense of variety starts to break down for me. Yeah, they do demonstrate a good amount of variety from the softer ones, but they honestly kind of blur together. It's almost like the aggressive vocals andaggressive instrumentals kind of homogenize the music ina way that the softer stuff doesn't.

^This

When I first listened to Opeth, all the songs sounded the same to me (The complexity of their songs was too much for my simple mind to take in at once :P ) But now I have favourite Opeth albums, favourite songs, etc. It's just one of those things that you really need to develop an ear for.

id say pop music.

i think the closest ive gotten to Metal depending on how you guys classify them, (i have no idea what prog. metal, alt. metal etc. all mean. to me its just music.) but anyways, closest to metal ive gone is Tool.(wikipedia says they are prog. metal and alt. metal)

i much more prefer rock/classic rock and some other choice bands.

really i listen to all kinds of music, from Country(Lady Antebellum and Jason Aldean and Carrie Underwood, yea i said it, i listen to some country) to rap, to some genres im not sure what they are.:P

7 out of the top 10 most-selling artists of all timeare pop groups/artists, so its pop. (the other 3 are Zeppelin, Queen, ACDC)

and I love pop, no metal for me.

7 out of the top 10 most-selling artists of all timeare pop groups/artists, so its pop. (the other 3 are Zeppelin, Queen, ACDC)

and I love pop, no metal for me.

Shmiity

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]My sig below. Its more of a rock vs pop but its close enoughJuggernaut140

Comments like those on youtube are really annoying.

Oh? Ive never really seen it that way. How so is it childish? I dont think I'm insulting pop music just stating that I like Rock more than that other kind of music. But hey if it offends some people I guess I can change it.

...well in any case I changed it so this shouldn't offend anyone, its not like I was trying to in the first place anyways but here it is :roll:

7 out of the top 10 most-selling artists of all timeare pop groups/artists, so its pop. (the other 3 are Zeppelin, Queen, ACDC)

and I love pop, no metal for me.

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="z4twenny"]

metal is more or less pop now. most of the metal heads wouldn't agree with that statement i think, but a lot of honest musicians/composers would.

z4twenny

uhhhh yup, it uses a lot of conventional pop songwriting techniques both musically and arrangement wise. you have to remember pop covers everything in top 40, from country to rock to rap to whatever britney spears is. basically other forms of music that got their roots from classical, jazz and blues which is what most metal draws its influence from in some way.

its the reason stuff like this sucks a little less than the original

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jfpsiLx21k

or my personal favorite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVLAZtAcUBk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDGwnuvOFUU

that def. sounds like pop music song structure..

7 out of the top 10 most-selling artists of all timeare pop groups/artists, so its pop. (the other 3 are Zeppelin, Queen, ACDC)

and I love pop, no metal for me.

[QUOTE="Whale-core"][QUOTE="Shmiity"]

7 out of the top 10 most-selling artists of all timeare pop groups/artists, so its pop. (the other 3 are Zeppelin, Queen, ACDC)

and I love pop, no metal for me.

Shmiity

Pop = viral = more albums sold.

7 out of the top 10 most-selling artists of all timeare pop groups/artists, so its pop. (the other 3 are Zeppelin, Queen, ACDC)

and I love pop, no metal for me.

Shmiity

Metal easily wins this!

Metal easily wins this!

jer_1

Metal takes more skill than Pop to play. Punk and Goth rock is better than both.

That's easy.

Metal.

[QUOTE="Celldrax"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

As bad as pop canbe at times, the majority of metal I've heard pretty much has no sense of songcraft whereas there's actually alot of very good pop songwriting from the past.

I also think pop has more variety. Pop runs the gamut from stuff like Michael Jackson to stuff like Outkast. Most metal I've heard sounds samey. Same sort of textures, same sort of atmospheres, samey vocals inflections, etc.

GreySeal9

Pop is more varied than metal? lol

Yep. Like I said, find me two metal songs that sound more different from eachother than the song "Hey Ya" by Outkast and "Like A Virgin" by Madonna.

Most all metal shares certain qualities whereas you can find pop songs that have little in common as far as their general sound is concerned.

I accept that challenge and raise you;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riwxbh_n_WM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6_zsJ8KPP0

I've heard far more good metal than good pop, so it's a pretty obvious pick for me.

Let me find some contrasting metal.

A Paysage D'Hiver

B Dragonforce

Are they similar? How about..

A Circle of Ouroborus

B Krallice

I've got another.

A Skepticism

B Suffocation

I like Pop.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Celldrax"]

Pop is more varied than metal? lol

hooeyberg

Yep. Like I said, find me two metal songs that sound more different from eachother than the song "Hey Ya" by Outkast and "Like A Virgin" by Madonna.

Most all metal shares certain qualities whereas you can find pop songs that have little in common as far as their general sound is concerned.

I accept that challenge and raise you;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riwxbh_n_WM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6_zsJ8KPP0

I was gonna go with these:

Solitude - Black Sabbath

and

Whatever - Godsmack

Pop because it fits my singing and dancing requirements. Metal does some songs I can sing but it seems to me more type of a mood thing. If there is some metal I can actually dance to (not headbang, dancing) let me know. See, I can do both in country, pop, some rock, R&B, hip-hop, electronic, trance, jazz, salsa, etc. But, metal (the songs I heard anyway) have no dancing or either for some singing qualities to me so I don't listen to it as much as others would. So... yeah metal just falls under listening/mood music to me where pop while listening/mood gives me a singing/dancing thing going as well. Sure, that doesn't seem fair but I love to sing and dance.MistressMinako

The above Black Sabbath song can be danced to, but ya gotta love to slow dance. ;)

The above Black Sabbath song can be danced to, but ya gotta love to slow dance. ;)WhiteKnight77

[QUOTE="hooeyberg"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Yep. Like I said, find me two metal songs that sound more different from eachother than the song "Hey Ya" by Outkast and "Like A Virgin" by Madonna.

Most all metal shares certain qualities whereas you can find pop songs that have little in common as far as their general sound is concerned.

WhiteKnight77

I accept that challenge and raise you;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riwxbh_n_WM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6_zsJ8KPP0

I was gonna go with these:

Solitude - Black Sabbath

and

Whatever - Godsmack

this was my first thought though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSEwW2GKGiA]

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YqGCs1BR9I&feature=fvsr

I like my pop with out metal in it :D

Jk Metal ftw but I am picky with some pop songs.