MH17: Ukraine Accuses Rebels Of Destroying Evidence.

@sonicare: Russia has done it before when they knew it was a civilian airline.

@JimB: yes it did,but as Uni Soviet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007


shame is that this South Korean "James Bond" fell to the hands of the Communist through the same method(SAM collision)


on my own case,the Ukrainians were the one responsible for attacking a civilian plane

1. Claims news is heartbreaking

2. Recommends millions die

Don't know why people are thinking this will be the cause of ww3. The most that will happen is that reparations will be paid out and angry slurs/ distrust will spark. The mistake of shooting down commercial planes during wars has happen a lot before.

Or I might be wrong as I am no student of politics.

Still nothing good about this news.

So has the Ukraine and the US for that matter.

NATO should attack Russia before Russia attacks Europe.

Russia has already attacked by political thing baltic countries. LEAVE US ALONE RUSSIA

Should this lessen Russians guilt?

Little tip don't point fingers until you have proof.

No one is pointing fingers. I asked you why you using this as a means to not condemn this act.

didn't the Ukrainian government just release a tape in which pro-russians were discussing their mistake on taking down the plane?

I'd wait to see what a independent investigation says rather then the " No they did it!" match that's going on before I figure who's to blame since I know both sides could've done it.

The U.S. president says one American died in the crash. From a press conference about two hours ago.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-malaysia-plane-ukraine-20140718,0,3158456.story

MH17 passengers included American and former Indiana University athlete

Well, that can't be helpful.

I think they do have proof.

What proof is needed? It´s fact that Russia shot down this plane. There is even proof. If you guys had live in Ukraina or baltic states you would have proof. Russia did this.

I dont think the evidence shows that it was russia that shot it down. The evidence suggests that it was russian backed separtists who mistakingly shot it down thinking it was a Ukraine plane. They have a recording of some conversation between rebels and a russian major.

Lots of people died on that crash. Does the nationality of any particular one of them matter?

Most nations report the number of their citizens killed in plane crashes or news worthy events. The dutch, for instance, have reported losing in excess of 170 citizens. However, they also report the totals of other countries too.

@sonicare: I understand that, but this is not an American news website. Would it have been less of a tragedy if no US citizen had died? It is more of a tragedy to me, as a Dutch, than to him as an American? It just feels a bit uncalled for to call out stuff like that in here. Maybe I'm just oversensitive about things like this =)

You clearly never lived in Baltic countries.

Russia sent soliders in Ukraine to kill Ukraine people, and Russia said that it´s civil war. How you can be so stupid? If you seen things i seen, you would not suprise. Russia do this all the time. Cyber attack, soliders kills our people, russians in our country says that they hate us and will attack at in future. WW2 began with Russia occupation and you saying Russia dident do this? It´s not suggest, its proved. You don´t live in here, so of cause you can´t see the real truth.

What idiot OK'd commercial planes to be flying over a fucking WAR ZONE? Were they trying to save money on gas? I don't even blame the russian rebels even if they did shoot down the plane. They obviously thought it was a Ukrainian military jet. Why fly a passenger plane over a war zone especially a russian war zone?

I blame whoever OK'd the plane to fly there.

RIP to all the lives lost, terrible tragedy.

The guy who posted this thread is German. Not sure why he listed it the way he did.

@FreedomFreeLife: Russia shot down a civilian plane when Regan was president. They clearly knew it what kind of a plane it was. And to the person who stated the United States shot down a civilian you are full of shit. The United States never shot down a civilian plane even in a war by mistake.

Lets clear some things so there are no misunderstandings:

• I'm not German (no idea where you got that). I'm Puerto Rican (a US citizen too).
• The title reflects the latest information shared by Obama himself on today's press conference.
• I highlighted the fact that there was "1 US citizen dead" since that would weight heavily on the United States response to this tragedy. Imagine if the plane had gone down with 100, 200 or all 298 passengers/crew being Americans. Would the US government response be the same? Of course not. I'm focusing at the geopolitical consequences vis a vis the US government.

History lesson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubana_de_Aviaci%C3%B3n_Flight_455

Stuff is going down.

The Buk rockets said to be used can reach up to 70,000 feet, the plane was flying at roughly 30,000 feet, well in range of such rockets.

News outlets have been saying the ethnic Russian rebels have been claimed to have captured a Buk mobile surface-to-air missile platform not too long back, Ukraine security forces have footage of the Buk rockets moving into a town 2 hours before the plane was shot down, the next morning footage showed the same Buk system being moved out of town missing two of the hour missiles seen on it before the plane was shot down. Ukraine security forces have also intercepted communication between the ethnic Russian rebels where they're discussing that they shot down a commercial passenger airliner. Ethnic Russian fighters also took the black box and gave it to the Russians; I highly doubt Russians are handing that over. There's also a trail of social network comments that they're deleting but news outlets have been monitoring that show the ethnic Russian fighters were responsible.

I wonder how Malaysia Airlines figured flying through Ukraine was a reasonable idea given the current state that country is in.

ive seen the video of the rockets being moved and the people talking about shooting down a plane.. that doesnt prove they were ethnic russian rebels.. that could of been anybody for all we know.

There were eighty children on Flight 17.

President Obama says that evidence indicates Russians supplied the missile system used by the rebels who attacked that plane. Due to the training required to operate it, president Obama also said they could not have done so without assistance. Russian involvement is currently being considered. Whether the Russians trained them or were on site for the event is being investigated.

The FBI is sending two agents to investigate.

You know what. It wasn't the Russian Socialist Imperialists, Ukrainian Chocolate nationalist Oligarchs, or the drunk CommuNazi separatists.

I might be assassinated before tomorrow for saying this but.... I have come to the conclusion that it was the international Jewish banking cartel. Those AIDS researchers work against their interests along with the rebels. They are knocking two birds out with 1 stone.

Unfortunately the super computer underneath Jerusalem that comes into contact with Moses decided this.

TL;DR: The jews did it at the command of a super computer that is trying to make the perfect bureaucracy. A new world order will come.

Pretty sure my second sentence was sarcasm.

why is that one American person most important? why so much attention of whether or not there was american lives?

lives are lives, but American lives >>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else

"that could of been anybody for all we know"?

Like whom? Interdimensional reptilian shapeshifters on a grand conspiracy to make you drink fluoridated water?

Fixed

the tape is unverified

Apparently a lot of shit is going down at the crash site.. Reports say that first investigators are denied access to the site by the rebels. Also videos show separatists moving evidence (cleaning the site?) and witnesses say they are moving bodies.

They're looting valuables and probably hoping to hide any evidence of the missile strike

I got you confused with that other guy. Last Ride or something like that.

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17: Ukraine Accuses Rebels Of Destroying Evidence

From the article:

Ukraine accused Russia and pro-Moscow rebels on Saturday of destroying evidence of "international crimes" from the wreckage of the Malaysian airliner that Kiev says militants shot down with a missile, killing nearly 300 people.

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These people have no shame.

Unbelievably sad... What makes it worse is hearing that 36 fellow Aussies were on board.

I hope just hope that huge international pressure is applied to Russia or whoever, so that an independent investigation can be carried out and those responsible can be punished. Unfortunately I think Russia isn't going to make it easy and I'd say that a lot of the evidence has been tampered with by now anyway.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/19/ukraine-rebel-leader-claims-flight-mh17-was-filled-with-already-dead-bodies/

Ethnic Russian fighters are nowclaiming the dead bodies were already dead when the plane was hit by the missile. Jeez, what other conspiracy theories will they come up with.

Anyhow, rebels gave the black box over to Russia. If Russia doesn't want to look responsible they'll need to pass that black box over.

Those claims made me lmao. That "rebel leader" sounds like a complete fucking moron. "Bodies were too badly decomposed to have been alive on the flight." Yeah, no shit they were badly decomposed, they were blown to pieces and then lying out in the sun all day. How stupid does one have to be to believe those things?

These Russian Rebels seem to have a 5 year old concept of damage control. Pretty much everything they are doing is simply making them look worse. Bunch of derps.

You clearly didn't see my reply to this statement.

Considering several Ukrainian military aircraft have been shot down in the same area in the last few weeks it is undoubtedly the pro-russian rebels that shot the plane down. Since they get all their weapons from Russia, they to are partly responsible as well. I'm all for very intense sanctions against Russia. Putin is rotten to the core and these pro-Russian rebels are even worse.

They had footage of a supposed rocket launcher thingy getting quickly moved back to Russia on a truck.

fixed.

I did. I was just correcting him. If WWIII were to happen, most of us would go bye bye, maybe even the entire species.