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#1 PandaTrueno86
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In your opinion, whether you're a fan of basketball or not. Which of these two are the most iconic in your eyes?

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#2 clayron
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Jordan. I love Lebron, but he hasn't reached iconic yet.
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#3 Allicrombie
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Kobe =P
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#4 JML897
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Most iconic? That shouldn't even be a question. The correct answer is Michael Jordan.
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#5 xFL4WL3SSx
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Stop comparing Lebron to Michael, seriously hes not even that good, and Kobe is better than both in my opinion.

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#6 TecmoGirl
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lol! This isn't even a contest...it's easily MJ. Now if it was Kobe on the other hand(which is someone who is actually better then MJ) then this might be a fair comparison. = )

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#7 clayron
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Stop comparing Lebron to Michael, seriously hes not even that good, and Kobe is better than both in my opinion.

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O_O. Lebron is an amazing basketball player. You're talking crazy.
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#8 JML897
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Stop comparing Lebron to Michael, seriously hes not even that good, and Kobe is better than both in my opinion.

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This isn't even talking about who the better player is though. :|

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#9 salxis
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As an Icon, MJ for sure
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#10 MrLions
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 Thats what I think of Lebron
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#11 xFL4WL3SSx
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[QUOTE="xFL4WL3SSx"]

Stop comparing Lebron to Michael, seriously hes not even that good, and Kobe is better than both in my opinion.

clayron

O_O. Lebron is an amazing basketball player. You're talking crazy.

I'm not saying hes bad, but Kobe and Michael are much better all around in myopinon, I really think he's overrated.

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#12 F1_2004
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lololol. Michael Jordan won championships. Many of them.
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#13 shaka_fo00o
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Yeah gotta agree. Lebron is overrated. He's got good players around him and his team is not dominating.. Jordan on the other hand had...and won like what? 6 NBA championships?

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#14 tocool340
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Thats what I think of Lebron

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I actually lol'd at that picture...:P

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#15 clayron
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[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="xFL4WL3SSx"]

Stop comparing Lebron to Michael, seriously hes not even that good, and Kobe is better than both in my opinion.

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O_O. Lebron is an amazing basketball player. You're talking crazy.

I'm not saying hes bad, but Kobe and Michael are much better all around in myopinon, I really think he's overrated.

In what sense? Since he has joined the league he has improved EVERY facet of his game, particularly in the areas where he was criticized. He, like Kobe and MJ before Phil Jackson, carries his team.

NBA Achievements:

First-Team All-NBA (2005-06, 2007-08)

Second Team All-NBA (2004-05 and 2006-07)

Four-time NBA All-Star (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008)

NBA scoring champion (2007-08)…two-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008)

The Sporting News NBA Co-MVP (2006)…All-Rookie First Team (2003-04)

13-time Eastern Conference Player of the Week

Seven-time Eastern Conference Player of the Month (November 2004, January 2005, November 2005, March 2006, March 2007, January 2008, February 2008)

Team history,

Currently ranks first in points scored (10,689) and scoring average (27.3),

Second in assists (2,572) and free throws made (2,463) and attempted (3,382)

Third in field goals made (3,858) and attempted (8,262) and steals (693),

Fourth in three-point field goals made (510) and ninth in total rebounds (2,694)

Is the youngest player to be selected #1 overall (June 26, 2003), be named All-NBA (2004-05), score 30 points in a game (Nov. 29, 2003 vs. Memphis), score 40 points in a game (March 27, 2004 vs. New Jersey), score 50 points in a game (March 20, 2005 at Toronto), lead his team in points per game (2003-04)

Win NBA Rookie of the Year (2003-04), score 1,000 career points (Feb. 9, 2004 vs. Boston), score 2,000 career points (Nov. 27, 2004 vs. Chicago), score 3,000 career points (March 2, 2005 vs. Seattle), score 4,000 career points (Nov. 18, 2005 vs. Orlando), score 5,000 career points (Jan. 21 2005 at Utah), score 6,000 career points (March 29, 2006 vs. Dallas), score 7,000 career points (Dec. 23, 2006 vs. Orlando), score career 8,000 points (March 14, 2007 at Memphis), score 9,000 points (Dec. 17, 2007 vs. Milwaukee), score 10,000 points (Feb. 27, 2008 at Boston), record a triple-double (Jan. 19, 2005 at Portland; 20 years, 20 days old), score 2,000 points in a single season (2004-05),

Win All-Star Game MVP (Feb. 19, 2006 at Houston at 21 years, 55 days old), be selected First-Team All-NBA (21 years, 138 days old)

Average at least 30 points per game in a season (2005-06)

Is one of only three players in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists in his rookie season

One of only five players in NBA history to average over 25 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a season (2004-05 and 2007-08)

Is one of only four players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists in a single season (2005-06 and 2007-08)

One of only three players since 1970 to record nine straight games of scoring 35 or more points (March 22 – April 2, 2006). Source.

Where is he overrated? He works his ass off.

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#16 Gunslinger_1988
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LeBron needs to star in the next Space Jam movie, then he will reach iconic status.
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#17 JML897
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Yeah gotta agree. Lebron is overrated. He's got good players around him and his team is not dominating.. Jordan on the other hand had...and won like what? 6 NBA championships?

shaka_fo00o

I think Jordan is the best player of all-time...but Jordan's teams surrounding him during the 90s were better than LeBron's teams surrounding him. Jordan had a hall-of-famer in his prime playing alongside him. LeBron has a hall-of-famer playing alongside him, but Shaq is old and a shell of what he used to be.

By the way. When Jordan was LeBron's age, he had 0 championships as well.

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#18 clayron
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[QUOTE="shaka_fo00o"]

Yeah gotta agree. Lebron is overrated. He's got good players around him and his team is not dominating.. Jordan on the other hand had...and won like what? 6 NBA championships?

JML897

I think Jordan is the best player of all-time...but Jordan's teams surrounding him during the 90s were MILES better than LeBron's teams surrounding him. Jordan had a hall-of-famer in his prime playing alongside him. LeBron has a hall-of-famer playing alongside him, but Shaq is old and a shell of what he used to be.

Lebron is not surrounding by anything even near the caliber of what Jordan had around him. Also, Phil Jackson has proven to be a damn genius when it comes to coaching a team. I do not think people give enough credit to Jackson for Jordan rings.
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Yeah gotta agree. Lebron is overrated. He's got good players around him and his team is not dominating.. Jordan on the other hand had...and won like what? 6 NBA championships?

shaka_fo00o
Lebron just got a good team this year. His team has been poo since he entered the NBA, but he still carried them to the playoffs repeatedly and even the Finals.
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[QUOTE="xFL4WL3SSx"]

[QUOTE="clayron"] O_O. Lebron is an amazing basketball player. You're talking crazy.clayron

I'm not saying hes bad, but Kobe and Michael are much better all around in myopinon, I really think he's overrated.

In what sense? Since he has joined the league he has improved EVERY facet of his game, particularly in the areas where he was criticized. He, like Kobe and MJ before Phil Jackson, carries his team.

NBA Achievements:

First-Team All-NBA (2005-06, 2007-08)

Second Team All-NBA (2004-05 and 2006-07)

Four-time NBA All-Star (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008)

NBA scoring champion (2007-08)…two-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008)

The Sporting News NBA Co-MVP (2006)…All-Rookie First Team (2003-04)

13-time Eastern Conference Player of the Week

Seven-time Eastern Conference Player of the Month (November 2004, January 2005, November 2005, March 2006, March 2007, January 2008, February 2008)

Team history,

Currently ranks first in points scored (10,689) and scoring average (27.3),

Second in assists (2,572) and free throws made (2,463) and attempted (3,382)

Third in field goals made (3,858) and attempted (8,262) and steals (693),

Fourth in three-point field goals made (510) and ninth in total rebounds (2,694)

Is the youngest player to be selected #1 overall (June 26, 2003), be named All-NBA (2004-05), score 30 points in a game (Nov. 29, 2003 vs. Memphis), score 40 points in a game (March 27, 2004 vs. New Jersey), score 50 points in a game (March 20, 2005 at Toronto), lead his team in points per game (2003-04)

Win NBA Rookie of the Year (2003-04), score 1,000 career points (Feb. 9, 2004 vs. Boston), score 2,000 career points (Nov. 27, 2004 vs. Chicago), score 3,000 career points (March 2, 2005 vs. Seattle), score 4,000 career points (Nov. 18, 2005 vs. Orlando), score 5,000 career points (Jan. 21 2005 at Utah), score 6,000 career points (March 29, 2006 vs. Dallas), score 7,000 career points (Dec. 23, 2006 vs. Orlando), score career 8,000 points (March 14, 2007 at Memphis), score 9,000 points (Dec. 17, 2007 vs. Milwaukee), score 10,000 points (Feb. 27, 2008 at Boston), record a triple-double (Jan. 19, 2005 at Portland; 20 years, 20 days old), score 2,000 points in a single season (2004-05),

Win All-Star Game MVP (Feb. 19, 2006 at Houston at 21 years, 55 days old), be selected First-Team All-NBA (21 years, 138 days old)

Average at least 30 points per game in a season (2005-06)

Is one of only three players in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists in his rookie season

One of only five players in NBA history to average over 25 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a season (2004-05 and 2007-08)

Is one of only four players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists in a single season (2005-06 and 2007-08)

One of only three players since 1970 to record nine straight games of scoring 35 or more points (March 22 – April 2, 2006). Source.

Where is he overrated? He works his ass off.

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First of all I said MY OPINION, I think he's overrated, you didn't need to copy and paste all that stuff to prove to me that he's good, and ofcoarse he improved, what you expect him to join the NBA and not improve?Michael won championchips so did kobe, did Lebron win any? and even if he will, I dont think he can get 6 of em like Michael did, thats why you cant compare him to MJ.

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#21 Truf89
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You have to take consideration in the period of which both players have played in. 90's basketball was much different the the 00's.
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The only reason lebron was the fastest to some many things was because Jordan was hurt his second year. I think he only played 19 games or in his second season. 6 rings.
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one thing i know for certain is that Jordan was nowhere as good as Lebron is now when he was 25, and he didn't have jack until Pippen, arguably the 2nd best player in the league at that time, came along. not to mention that during the 2nd 3-peat the Bulls had one of the best starting lineups in NBA's history.

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#24 LikeHaterade
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Michael Jordan. :|

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#25 Omzzz
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well...yeah michael jordan... lebron needs to first win a championship
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#26 Toriko42
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Michael Jordan is always gonna be the greatest to do it
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#27 JonnyEagle
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Michael Jordan wins since he's the measuring stick for guys like Kobe and Lebron.......
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#28 -Halftime-
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Michael. This is not even a question. LeBron is not even the best player in the NBA right now. Kobe>>>>>>>>>> LeBJ. People call that clown a "king" and he hasn't won a god damn thing of significance in the NBA. You're not a king without jewelry.
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#29 Lockedge
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Michael Jordan. Even if Lebron has equal skills(which I'm not sold on), Jordan was very clutch and had this aura about him.
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Michael. This is not even a question. LeBron is not even the best player in the NBA right now. Kobe>>>>>>>>>> LeBJ. People call that clown a "king" and he hasn't won a god damn thing of significance in the NBA. You're not a king without jewelry.-Halftime-

I completely agree. Lebron is the type of player that is great in the regular season but when the playoffs come around he can't seem to lead his team to a championship. Kobe, on the other hand, has led his team to 2 straight championship appearances and a total of four rings. And on top of that he is the best clutch player in the NBA.

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#31 tocool340
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Jordon. I never really see him whine as much as Lebron "Princess" James. How can you be built like a human freight train and still whine or get as hurt as much as he do? not to mention, I never seen Jordon act like a douche when his team is blowing out another team. Lebron needs to do some maturing before he can be compare to MJ....
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#32 blackngold29
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MJ, no contest. Not even a discussion with LBJ lacking a ring.
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Jordan, hands down, man down!
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#35 C-Lee
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This is a ridiculous question... Michael Jordan is the only answer.
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#36 Pixel-Pirate
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Jordan. Who the hell is Lebron?

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how is this even a question?
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I pick Jordan, only because he starred in the greatest movie ever.....SPACE JAM!
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[QUOTE="xFL4WL3SSx"]

[QUOTE="clayron"] O_O. Lebron is an amazing basketball player. You're talking crazy.clayron

I'm not saying hes bad, but Kobe and Michael are much better all around in myopinon, I really think he's overrated.

In what sense? Since he has joined the league he has improved EVERY facet of his game, particularly in the areas where he was criticized. He, like Kobe and MJ before Phil Jackson, carries his team.

NBA Achievements:

First-Team All-NBA (2005-06, 2007-08)

Second Team All-NBA (2004-05 and 2006-07)

Four-time NBA All-Star (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008)

NBA scoring champion (2007-08)…two-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008)

The Sporting News NBA Co-MVP (2006)…All-Rookie First Team (2003-04)

13-time Eastern Conference Player of the Week

Seven-time Eastern Conference Player of the Month (November 2004, January 2005, November 2005, March 2006, March 2007, January 2008, February 2008)

Team history,

Currently ranks first in points scored (10,689) and scoring average (27.3),

Second in assists (2,572) and free throws made (2,463) and attempted (3,382)

Third in field goals made (3,858) and attempted (8,262) and steals (693),

Fourth in three-point field goals made (510) and ninth in total rebounds (2,694)

Is the youngest player to be selected #1 overall (June 26, 2003), be named All-NBA (2004-05), score 30 points in a game (Nov. 29, 2003 vs. Memphis), score 40 points in a game (March 27, 2004 vs. New Jersey), score 50 points in a game (March 20, 2005 at Toronto), lead his team in points per game (2003-04)

Win NBA Rookie of the Year (2003-04), score 1,000 career points (Feb. 9, 2004 vs. Boston), score 2,000 career points (Nov. 27, 2004 vs. Chicago), score 3,000 career points (March 2, 2005 vs. Seattle), score 4,000 career points (Nov. 18, 2005 vs. Orlando), score 5,000 career points (Jan. 21 2005 at Utah), score 6,000 career points (March 29, 2006 vs. Dallas), score 7,000 career points (Dec. 23, 2006 vs. Orlando), score career 8,000 points (March 14, 2007 at Memphis), score 9,000 points (Dec. 17, 2007 vs. Milwaukee), score 10,000 points (Feb. 27, 2008 at Boston), record a triple-double (Jan. 19, 2005 at Portland; 20 years, 20 days old), score 2,000 points in a single season (2004-05),

Win All-Star Game MVP (Feb. 19, 2006 at Houston at 21 years, 55 days old), be selected First-Team All-NBA (21 years, 138 days old)

Average at least 30 points per game in a season (2005-06)

Is one of only three players in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists in his rookie season

One of only five players in NBA history to average over 25 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a season (2004-05 and 2007-08)

Is one of only four players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists in a single season (2005-06 and 2007-08)

One of only three players since 1970 to record nine straight games of scoring 35 or more points (March 22 – April 2, 2006). Source.

Where is he overrated? He works his ass off.

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The MVPS and Allstar picks shouldn't count. As I said in another thread, what makes you a good player isn't what is decided by someone else. But the thing with Lebron is he does have a lot of acheivments, even though they are somewhat in vain. Jordan was coolest cat in basketball.

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Most iconic? That shouldn't even be a question. The correct answer is Michael Jordan. JML897
Yeah Lebron isn't even near the status of MJ He should stopped being compared..
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#41 rawsavon
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Seriously...are you kidding me?

1. MJ = best offensive player of his day (LeBron is not)
2. MJ = best defensive player of his day (LeBron is not)
3. MJ = Nike (Lebron does not)
4. MJ had an unyielding desire to win...to be the best (hell, he still does. he is still bitter to this day over things that happened years ago)
-Lebron quit last night...took the night off...did not even try
-IMO it was to make a statement (like Kobe has done a couple times)
-MJ NEVER did this...EVER

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#42 kidsmelly
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As it stands now MJ. Lebron still has the potential to be the greatest but he really need to light that competitive fire.

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Michael>Kobe>>>>>>>LeBrick
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#44 rawsavon
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Michael>Kobe>>>>>>>LeBrickmems_1224
I agree with the order, but MJ>>>Magic>Kobe>>>>>>>Lebron
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#45 xTheExploited
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Michael Jordan is the greatest to ever touch a basketball. Also look at the time when Jordan played. Jordan played in arguably the most talented league the NBA has ever seen. The Dream Team of the 90s would destroy Team USA today. I find it mindboggling that anyone can compare Lebron or even Kobe to Michael. Michael Jordan is just like Wayne Gretzky, never been close to being reached in terms of status by another player and never will be.
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"]Michael>Kobe>>>>>>>LeBrickrawsavon
I agree with the order, but MJ>>>Magic>Kobe>>>>>>>Lebron

Jordan>Bird>Magic>Kobe>>>>>>LeBrick
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#47 mems_1224
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Michael Jordan is the greatest to ever touch a basketball. Also look at the time when Jordan played. Jordan played in arguably the most talented league the NBA has ever seen. The Dream Team of the 90s would destroy Team USA today. I find it mindboggling that anyone can compare Lebron or even Kobe to Michael. Michael Jordan is just like Wayne Gretzky, never been close to being reached in terms of status by another player and never will be.xTheExploited
uuuhh actually the league was pretty crappy as far as guards go in the mid 90's.
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#48 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="mems_1224"]Michael>Kobe>>>>>>>LeBrickmems_1224
I agree with the order, but MJ>>>Magic>Kobe>>>>>>>Lebron

Jordan>Bird>Magic>Kobe>>>>>>LeBrick

I put Magic above bird b/c of versatility...but it is close either way (to the point that Iwould not argue the order)

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#49 CyleM
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Jordan, no contest.
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#50 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] I agree with the order, but MJ>>>Magic>Kobe>>>>>>>Lebronrawsavon

Jordan>Bird>Magic>Kobe>>>>>>LeBrick

I put Magic above bird b/c of versatility...but it is close either way (to the point that Iwould not argue the order)

agreed. i shoulda put an equal sign instead lol