In your opinion, whether you're a fan of basketball or not. Which of these two are the most iconic in your eyes?
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In your opinion, whether you're a fan of basketball or not. Which of these two are the most iconic in your eyes?
Stop comparing Lebron to Michael, seriously hes not even that good, and Kobe is better than both in my opinion.
[QUOTE="xFL4WL3SSx"]O_O. Lebron is an amazing basketball player. You're talking crazy.I'm not saying hes bad, but Kobe and Michael are much better all around in myopinon, I really think he's overrated.Stop comparing Lebron to Michael, seriously hes not even that good, and Kobe is better than both in my opinion.
clayron
Yeah gotta agree. Lebron is overrated. He's got good players around him and his team is not dominating.. Jordan on the other hand had...and won like what? 6 NBA championships?
O_O. Lebron is an amazing basketball player. You're talking crazy.I'm not saying hes bad, but Kobe and Michael are much better all around in myopinon, I really think he's overrated. In what sense? Since he has joined the league he has improved EVERY facet of his game, particularly in the areas where he was criticized. He, like Kobe and MJ before Phil Jackson, carries his team.[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="xFL4WL3SSx"]
Stop comparing Lebron to Michael, seriously hes not even that good, and Kobe is better than both in my opinion.
xFL4WL3SSx
NBA Achievements:
First-Team All-NBA (2005-06, 2007-08)
Second Team All-NBA (2004-05 and 2006-07)
Four-time NBA All-Star (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008)
NBA scoring champion (2007-08)…two-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008)
The Sporting News NBA Co-MVP (2006)…All-Rookie First Team (2003-04)
13-time Eastern Conference Player of the Week
Seven-time Eastern Conference Player of the Month (November 2004, January 2005, November 2005, March 2006, March 2007, January 2008, February 2008)
Team history,
Currently ranks first in points scored (10,689) and scoring average (27.3),
Second in assists (2,572) and free throws made (2,463) and attempted (3,382)
Third in field goals made (3,858) and attempted (8,262) and steals (693),
Fourth in three-point field goals made (510) and ninth in total rebounds (2,694)
Is the youngest player to be selected #1 overall (June 26, 2003), be named All-NBA (2004-05), score 30 points in a game (Nov. 29, 2003 vs. Memphis), score 40 points in a game (March 27, 2004 vs. New Jersey), score 50 points in a game (March 20, 2005 at Toronto), lead his team in points per game (2003-04)
Win NBA Rookie of the Year (2003-04), score 1,000 career points (Feb. 9, 2004 vs. Boston), score 2,000 career points (Nov. 27, 2004 vs. Chicago), score 3,000 career points (March 2, 2005 vs. Seattle), score 4,000 career points (Nov. 18, 2005 vs. Orlando), score 5,000 career points (Jan. 21 2005 at Utah), score 6,000 career points (March 29, 2006 vs. Dallas), score 7,000 career points (Dec. 23, 2006 vs. Orlando), score career 8,000 points (March 14, 2007 at Memphis), score 9,000 points (Dec. 17, 2007 vs. Milwaukee), score 10,000 points (Feb. 27, 2008 at Boston), record a triple-double (Jan. 19, 2005 at Portland; 20 years, 20 days old), score 2,000 points in a single season (2004-05),
Win All-Star Game MVP (Feb. 19, 2006 at Houston at 21 years, 55 days old), be selected First-Team All-NBA (21 years, 138 days old)
Average at least 30 points per game in a season (2005-06)
Is one of only three players in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists in his rookie season
One of only five players in NBA history to average over 25 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a season (2004-05 and 2007-08)
Is one of only four players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists in a single season (2005-06 and 2007-08)
One of only three players since 1970 to record nine straight games of scoring 35 or more points (March 22 – April 2, 2006). Source.
Where is he overrated? He works his ass off.
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Yeah gotta agree. Lebron is overrated. He's got good players around him and his team is not dominating.. Jordan on the other hand had...and won like what? 6 NBA championships?
shaka_fo00o
I think Jordan is the best player of all-time...but Jordan's teams surrounding him during the 90s were better than LeBron's teams surrounding him. Jordan had a hall-of-famer in his prime playing alongside him. LeBron has a hall-of-famer playing alongside him, but Shaq is old and a shell of what he used to be.
By the way. When Jordan was LeBron's age, he had 0 championships as well.
[QUOTE="shaka_fo00o"]
Yeah gotta agree. Lebron is overrated. He's got good players around him and his team is not dominating.. Jordan on the other hand had...and won like what? 6 NBA championships?
JML897
I think Jordan is the best player of all-time...but Jordan's teams surrounding him during the 90s were MILES better than LeBron's teams surrounding him. Jordan had a hall-of-famer in his prime playing alongside him. LeBron has a hall-of-famer playing alongside him, but Shaq is old and a shell of what he used to be.
Lebron is not surrounding by anything even near the caliber of what Jordan had around him. Also, Phil Jackson has proven to be a damn genius when it comes to coaching a team. I do not think people give enough credit to Jackson for Jordan rings.Lebron just got a good team this year. His team has been poo since he entered the NBA, but he still carried them to the playoffs repeatedly and even the Finals.Yeah gotta agree. Lebron is overrated. He's got good players around him and his team is not dominating.. Jordan on the other hand had...and won like what? 6 NBA championships?
shaka_fo00o
I'm not saying hes bad, but Kobe and Michael are much better all around in myopinon, I really think he's overrated. In what sense? Since he has joined the league he has improved EVERY facet of his game, particularly in the areas where he was criticized. He, like Kobe and MJ before Phil Jackson, carries his team.[QUOTE="xFL4WL3SSx"]
[QUOTE="clayron"] O_O. Lebron is an amazing basketball player. You're talking crazy.clayron
NBA Achievements:
First-Team All-NBA (2005-06, 2007-08)
Second Team All-NBA (2004-05 and 2006-07)
Four-time NBA All-Star (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008)
NBA scoring champion (2007-08)…two-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008)
The Sporting News NBA Co-MVP (2006)…All-Rookie First Team (2003-04)
13-time Eastern Conference Player of the Week
Seven-time Eastern Conference Player of the Month (November 2004, January 2005, November 2005, March 2006, March 2007, January 2008, February 2008)
Team history,
Currently ranks first in points scored (10,689) and scoring average (27.3),
Second in assists (2,572) and free throws made (2,463) and attempted (3,382)
Third in field goals made (3,858) and attempted (8,262) and steals (693),
Fourth in three-point field goals made (510) and ninth in total rebounds (2,694)
Is the youngest player to be selected #1 overall (June 26, 2003), be named All-NBA (2004-05), score 30 points in a game (Nov. 29, 2003 vs. Memphis), score 40 points in a game (March 27, 2004 vs. New Jersey), score 50 points in a game (March 20, 2005 at Toronto), lead his team in points per game (2003-04)
Win NBA Rookie of the Year (2003-04), score 1,000 career points (Feb. 9, 2004 vs. Boston), score 2,000 career points (Nov. 27, 2004 vs. Chicago), score 3,000 career points (March 2, 2005 vs. Seattle), score 4,000 career points (Nov. 18, 2005 vs. Orlando), score 5,000 career points (Jan. 21 2005 at Utah), score 6,000 career points (March 29, 2006 vs. Dallas), score 7,000 career points (Dec. 23, 2006 vs. Orlando), score career 8,000 points (March 14, 2007 at Memphis), score 9,000 points (Dec. 17, 2007 vs. Milwaukee), score 10,000 points (Feb. 27, 2008 at Boston), record a triple-double (Jan. 19, 2005 at Portland; 20 years, 20 days old), score 2,000 points in a single season (2004-05),
Win All-Star Game MVP (Feb. 19, 2006 at Houston at 21 years, 55 days old), be selected First-Team All-NBA (21 years, 138 days old)
Average at least 30 points per game in a season (2005-06)
Is one of only three players in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists in his rookie season
One of only five players in NBA history to average over 25 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a season (2004-05 and 2007-08)
Is one of only four players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists in a single season (2005-06 and 2007-08)
One of only three players since 1970 to record nine straight games of scoring 35 or more points (March 22 – April 2, 2006). Source.
Where is he overrated? He works his ass off.
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First of all I said MY OPINION, I think he's overrated, you didn't need to copy and paste all that stuff to prove to me that he's good, and ofcoarse he improved, what you expect him to join the NBA and not improve?Michael won championchips so did kobe, did Lebron win any? and even if he will, I dont think he can get 6 of em like Michael did, thats why you cant compare him to MJ.one thing i know for certain is that Jordan was nowhere as good as Lebron is now when he was 25, and he didn't have jack until Pippen, arguably the 2nd best player in the league at that time, came along. not to mention that during the 2nd 3-peat the Bulls had one of the best starting lineups in NBA's history.
Michael. This is not even a question. LeBron is not even the best player in the NBA right now. Kobe>>>>>>>>>> LeBJ. People call that clown a "king" and he hasn't won a god damn thing of significance in the NBA. You're not a king without jewelry.-Halftime-
I completely agree. Lebron is the type of player that is great in the regular season but when the playoffs come around he can't seem to lead his team to a championship. Kobe, on the other hand, has led his team to 2 straight championship appearances and a total of four rings. And on top of that he is the best clutch player in the NBA.
I'm not saying hes bad, but Kobe and Michael are much better all around in myopinon, I really think he's overrated. In what sense? Since he has joined the league he has improved EVERY facet of his game, particularly in the areas where he was criticized. He, like Kobe and MJ before Phil Jackson, carries his team.[QUOTE="xFL4WL3SSx"]
[QUOTE="clayron"] O_O. Lebron is an amazing basketball player. You're talking crazy.clayron
NBA Achievements:
First-Team All-NBA (2005-06, 2007-08)
Second Team All-NBA (2004-05 and 2006-07)
Four-time NBA All-Star (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008)
NBA scoring champion (2007-08)…two-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008)
The Sporting News NBA Co-MVP (2006)…All-Rookie First Team (2003-04)
13-time Eastern Conference Player of the Week
Seven-time Eastern Conference Player of the Month (November 2004, January 2005, November 2005, March 2006, March 2007, January 2008, February 2008)
Team history,
Currently ranks first in points scored (10,689) and scoring average (27.3),
Second in assists (2,572) and free throws made (2,463) and attempted (3,382)
Third in field goals made (3,858) and attempted (8,262) and steals (693),
Fourth in three-point field goals made (510) and ninth in total rebounds (2,694)
Is the youngest player to be selected #1 overall (June 26, 2003), be named All-NBA (2004-05), score 30 points in a game (Nov. 29, 2003 vs. Memphis), score 40 points in a game (March 27, 2004 vs. New Jersey), score 50 points in a game (March 20, 2005 at Toronto), lead his team in points per game (2003-04)
Win NBA Rookie of the Year (2003-04), score 1,000 career points (Feb. 9, 2004 vs. Boston), score 2,000 career points (Nov. 27, 2004 vs. Chicago), score 3,000 career points (March 2, 2005 vs. Seattle), score 4,000 career points (Nov. 18, 2005 vs. Orlando), score 5,000 career points (Jan. 21 2005 at Utah), score 6,000 career points (March 29, 2006 vs. Dallas), score 7,000 career points (Dec. 23, 2006 vs. Orlando), score career 8,000 points (March 14, 2007 at Memphis), score 9,000 points (Dec. 17, 2007 vs. Milwaukee), score 10,000 points (Feb. 27, 2008 at Boston), record a triple-double (Jan. 19, 2005 at Portland; 20 years, 20 days old), score 2,000 points in a single season (2004-05),
Win All-Star Game MVP (Feb. 19, 2006 at Houston at 21 years, 55 days old), be selected First-Team All-NBA (21 years, 138 days old)
Average at least 30 points per game in a season (2005-06)
Is one of only three players in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists in his rookie season
One of only five players in NBA history to average over 25 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a season (2004-05 and 2007-08)
Is one of only four players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists in a single season (2005-06 and 2007-08)
One of only three players since 1970 to record nine straight games of scoring 35 or more points (March 22 – April 2, 2006). Source.
Where is he overrated? He works his ass off.
More stats
The MVPS and Allstar picks shouldn't count. As I said in another thread, what makes you a good player isn't what is decided by someone else. But the thing with Lebron is he does have a lot of acheivments, even though they are somewhat in vain. Jordan was coolest cat in basketball.Most iconic? That shouldn't even be a question. The correct answer is Michael Jordan. JML897Yeah Lebron isn't even near the status of MJ He should stopped being compared..
Seriously...are you kidding me?
1. MJ = best offensive player of his day (LeBron is not)
2. MJ = best defensive player of his day (LeBron is not)
3. MJ = Nike (Lebron does not)
4. MJ had an unyielding desire to win...to be the best (hell, he still does. he is still bitter to this day over things that happened years ago)
-Lebron quit last night...took the night off...did not even try
-IMO it was to make a statement (like Kobe has done a couple times)
-MJ NEVER did this...EVER
Michael Jordan is the greatest to ever touch a basketball. Also look at the time when Jordan played. Jordan played in arguably the most talented league the NBA has ever seen. The Dream Team of the 90s would destroy Team USA today. I find it mindboggling that anyone can compare Lebron or even Kobe to Michael. Michael Jordan is just like Wayne Gretzky, never been close to being reached in terms of status by another player and never will be.xTheExploiteduuuhh actually the league was pretty crappy as far as guards go in the mid 90's.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="mems_1224"]Michael>Kobe>>>>>>>LeBrickmems_1224I agree with the order, but MJ>>>Magic>Kobe>>>>>>>LebronJordan>Bird>Magic>Kobe>>>>>>LeBrick
I put Magic above bird b/c of versatility...but it is close either way (to the point that Iwould not argue the order)
Jordan>Bird>Magic>Kobe>>>>>>LeBrick[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] I agree with the order, but MJ>>>Magic>Kobe>>>>>>>Lebronrawsavon
I put Magic above bird b/c of versatility...but it is close either way (to the point that Iwould not argue the order)
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