Michelle Bachmann under fire for controversial reparative theraphy

So, basically, Michelle Bachmann's husband runs a clinic that tries to turn gays straight.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/12/news/la-pn-bachmann-attacks-20110712

This is precisely the reason that people shouldn't be fooled by Bachmann's "I'm reasonable now!" facade.

This kind of therapy does not help gay people. All it does is make gays feel like there is something wrong with who they are and forces upon them an existence that is alien to them.

BTW, why is GS not allowing me to put the word "homosexual" into my title?

This "therapy" is stupid as hell.

I dont think being gay is an Illness.

I thnk GS banned gay and homo from topic titles since people awhile back kept saying things were gay out of context.

Yeah I saw this on the news this morning, they also had a quote about how her husband called homosexual people barbarians. They don't seem very reasonable to me :(

This "therapy" is stupid as hell.

I dont think being gay is an Illness.

Kcube

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This "therapy" is stupid as hell.

I dont think being gay is an Illness.

Orayus

Wait a minute. What kind of logic is that? :?

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This "therapy" is stupid as hell.

I dont think being gay is an Illness.

Orayus

le sigh

Here is a 2004 audio clip cbs also posted where Bachmann says that gay people were abused and should be "changed"

It is very disturbing what this womans hatred towards gay people is(no I am not gay)

Dang, you got me excited when I read "under fire" - was hoping you meant that literally :Dimaps3fanboy

Here is a 2004 audio clip cbs also posted where Bachmann says that gay people were abused and should be "changed"

It is very disturbing what this womans hatred towards gay people is(no I am not gay)

fueled-system

This is exactly why I said that Tom Petty was justified in not wanting this woman to use his song for her campaign.

I wouldn't want any song I poured my heart and soul into to promote these kind of "values".

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This "therapy" is stupid as hell.

I dont think being gay is an Illness.

GreySeal9

Wait a minute. What kind of logic is that? :?

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[QUOTE="Orayus"] If its not an illness or disorder, then it is a choice.xaos

Wait a minute. What kind of logic is that? :?

No way xaos, my dirty blonde hair wasn't a choice, so I tell people I have a disease. :P

I'm confused. If people want to go his "therapy" why is that bad. It may be contraversial, but perhaps these people do not want to be like this. Of course I doubt his therapy works. But if people want to be straight why can't people support them?

The only thing that can turn gay men straight is Giselle Budchen.

I'm confused. If people want to go his "therapy" why is that bad. It may be contraversial, but perhaps these people do not want to be like this. Of course I doubt his therapy works. But if people want to be straight why can't people support them?

Ravirr

If one were to forget that the fact that the DSMV does not count homosexuality as a illness and in fact medical professions caution against gay therapy" due since it can cause traumatic psychological harm to the patients, then her husbands clinic might seem like a good idea.

Since we live in the real world however, I hope that her and her husband DIAF for the harm they are causing.

All these therapies do is make the individual hate who he/she is and this might probably lead to a greater depression than the one caused by the relatives who forced him/her into the clinic. Nuff' said. :o

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I'm confused. If people want to go his "therapy" why is that bad. It may be contraversial, but perhaps these people do not want to be like this. Of course I doubt his therapy works. But if people want to be straight why can't people support them?

Ace6301

But if they willing go whats wrong with that? Its like trans gender. Its not a matter of right or wrong, its a matter how they feel. Trans genders don't feel right in their body. And I'm sure transgender surgery was just as contraversial but now its accepted. Could this possible be the same? It may be once we find for lack of a better word what makes peoples attracted to the same gender. IF they don't feel right with it, why can't they seek help to change?

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I'm confused. If people want to go his "therapy" why is that bad. It may be contraversial, but perhaps these people do not want to be like this. Of course I doubt his therapy works. But if people want to be straight why can't people support them?

Ravirr

But if they willing go whats wrong with that? Its like trans gender. Its not a matter of right or wrong, its a matter how they feel. Trans genders don't feel right in their body. And I'm sure transgender surgery was just as contraversial but now its accepted. Could this possible be the same? It may be once we find for lack of a better word what makes peoples attracted to the same gender. IF they don't feel right with it, why can't they seek help to change?

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Ravirr"]

I'm confused. If people want to go his "therapy" why is that bad. It may be contraversial, but perhaps these people do not want to be like this. Of course I doubt his therapy works. But if people want to be straight why can't people support them?

Ravirr

But if they willing go whats wrong with that? Its like trans gender. Its not a matter of right or wrong, its a matter how they feel. Trans genders don't feel right in their body. And I'm sure transgender surgery was just as contraversial but now its accepted. Could this possible be the same? It may be once we find for lack of a better word what makes peoples attracted to the same gender. IF they don't feel right with it, why can't they seek help to change?

She's a bigot and a nut, people like this need to be seen for the liars and monsters they are.

The Republican party is going down in flames, ousting people like that would help that party dramatically.

Are gay people forced to attend these clinics?SolidSnake35

All these therapies do is make the individual hate who he/she is and this might probably lead to a greater depression than the one caused by the relatives who forced him/her into the clinic. Nuff' said. :o

MrEnvelope

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] I see it as a negative because this is saying "this is a problem, you're not right, we should treat this". It's also a scam because this kind of thing just doesn't work and kind of messes up the individual. We shouldn't be making gay people feel like they should be straight anyway. They're who they are and society should just accept that.Ace6301

But if they willing go whats wrong with that? Its like trans gender. Its not a matter of right or wrong, its a matter how they feel. Trans genders don't feel right in their body. And I'm sure transgender surgery was just as contraversial but now its accepted. Could this possible be the same? It may be once we find for lack of a better word what makes peoples attracted to the same gender. IF they don't feel right with it, why can't they seek help to change?

Never said the treatment were effective now. Majora's wraith is 100% right in what he posted. Its pretty terrible. But perhaps later on it could be on option. My posts were just mainly food for thought.

If gay people want to go to these clinics, then I really don't see the problem here. It's not like they're kidnapping gay people and sending them to work camps to "cure" them or something.Mario2007

[QUOTE="Mario2007"]If gay people want to go to these clinics, then I really don't see the problem here. It's not like they're kidnapping gay people and sending them to work camps to "cure" them or something.majoras_wrath

[QUOTE="Mario2007"]If gay people want to go to these clinics, then I really don't see the problem here. It's not like they're kidnapping gay people and sending them to work camps to "cure" them or something.majoras_wrath

So why is it bad that they are offering people who wish to change an opportunity, albeit questionable, to do so? It isn't like anyone is being electrocuted. Vandalvideo

If gay people want to go to these clinics, then I really don't see the problem here. It's not like they're kidnapping gay people and sending them to work camps to "cure" them or something.Mario2007

The ideology behind these clinics is what is the problem. If conflicted gay folks go to these kind of places, they mind end up doing themselves more harm than good.

I think it is quite flawed to say if people go willingly, there's no problem with it at all.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="Mario2007"]If gay people want to go to these clinics, then I really don't see the problem here. It's not like they're kidnapping gay people and sending them to work camps to "cure" them or something.Mario2007

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]So why is it bad that they are offering people who wish to change an opportunity, albeit questionable, to do so? It isn't like anyone is being electrocuted. sonicare

Don't knock elctroshock therapy. It can be effective!

Are gay people forced to attend these clinics?SolidSnake35

So why is it bad that they are offering people who wish to change an opportunity, albeit questionable, to do so? It isn't like anyone is being electrocuted. Vandalvideo

This is a pretty simplistic take on this issue.

The ideology behind the reparative therapy is what poses the problem. It can be psychologically unhealthy and sends the wrong message to gay folks who are struggling with their sexuality.

Just because they aren't being electrocuted does not mean no harm is being done.

[QUOTE="Mario2007"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] But these therapies are misleading and cause far more harm than good :?majoras_wrath

Exactly. To bring in the "choice" element is a weak way of depending the therapy program.

Of course gays should be able to engage in this sort of thing, but that doesn't make it a good thing.

What a wonderful couple. HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Are gay people forced to attend these clinics?-Sun_Tzu-

Well said.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Are gay people forced to attend these clinics?-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Are gay people forced to attend these clinics?sonicare

He didn't say they are doing anything illegal.

Even if they are all ready getting that message, to hear it from people who claim to be proffesionals is quite a bit different.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] That's a complicated question. Are gay people being rounded up and thrown into these clinics? No. But overwhelmingly, the gay people who go to these clinics are coming from very conservative backgrounds, where being gay is viewed as a huge problem, akin to something like drug addiction, and so you have family and friends pressuring these gay people to go get help, and you have gay people thinking that they need to get help, so they check themselves in to get "reparative therapy" where they are taught how bad and disgusting it is to be gay GreySeal9

He diin't say they are doing anything illegal.

Even if they are all ready getting that message, to hear it from people who claim to be proffesionals is quite a bit different.

Radon spas aren't illegal either, but I wouldn't suggest them.