Militant Athiests are just as radical as religious extreamists....

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Hmm...his name sounds familiar, wasn't he the abortionist doctor that was killed?

I'm not going to debate about abortion though becasue that is NOT what this thread is about, so if that is your intention than I'm sorry but it's not relevant.

ShadowMoses900

Yes and the guy that killed him was wrong, it hurts us Pro Lifers. I don't like abortion doctors either, but killing them is the wrong message about our position.

But there were plenty of atheists who killed people, Stalin was an atheist and look how many people he killed.

I don't think he was motivated to kill millions by his atheism. I don't even think he was atheist actually. I thought he was just against organized religion and religios establishments. Kind of like how the French Revolution was back in the day. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]Also, Stalin, Mao, etc. never killed anyone because of their atheism.Rusteater

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I shouldn't have to explain what Eugenics is, it should be obvious that it's wrong. Eugenics is the racist belief system that some people are inferior than others and that only people who are "good" or who have "good" genes should reproduce and mate with others who are "good" genes, while the "inferior" ones should either die or become steralised. It's wrong and goes agaisnt evoltution completely as evolution creates genetic variation that way a species can survive in different environments, and quite frankly eugnenics goes right back to the days of Nazi Germany and anyone that supports it evil.scorch-62

No eugenics is wrong, and thinking otherwise is wrong too. What makes you think you are "fit" anyway? If yoHuu look up the the standard for people who would be considered "fit" by eugenics than most of the population would be gone, for instance do you look at porn? If you do you are considered "unfit" under there term. If you have a grandparent with an illness than they believe you should be sterilised. This goes against peoples rights and I suggest you go read the novel "Brave New World", is that the kind of world you want to live in?

Human Evoltution happened NATURALLY, not artificially. And it is racist, they think Jews, blacks, asians ect... are inferior. No one is any more"fit" than anyone else in this day and age....

As an Athiest I cannot tell you how much I dislike some of my fellow disbelievers. Many of them come off as condesending j-offs (Bill Maher), many of them come off as bitter and jaded, and a few more come off as annoying "I told you so" types that wish nothing more to spoil the belief system of anyone who "dares" believe in a higher power or those children that saymean spirited things to their parents just toget a riseout of them. I truly beileve that there are those amoung us that are Atheist specifically for the "shock factor".I just don't understand the need to argue with those who do believe, the amount of thought and energy that these people put into these debates is astonishing.These law suits that some of these Athiest groups createare just mindblowing stupid.When someone says Merry Christmas to me I said thank you you too....when someone invites me to their wedding at a church I go, when I see aNativity scene onpublic land Ithink nothing of it and might actually look at it to see how much time/money/effort the people who set it up went to.

Now, obviously there are plenty of religious types who imploy the same tactics of forcing beliefs down others throats. Their eyes light up at the word Atheist and they immediatly want to interogate and preach...you would be amazed at how effectiveawalk away isin squashing any hope of a debate or discussion might be. Religious people as a whole are not the enemy of a non believer, hell in St. John's one of my best undergrad classes was a Theology class taught by a Monk,he was a very goodteacher and man and I respected his lectures and his devotion to his faith, if he never tried to influence me or debate me on my beliefs, I'll be damned I going to let someone who spends an hour a week in Church lecture me!

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]No it's not...

There is no "system" of belief within atheism. All it takes is a lack of faith to be an atheist. Participating is a religion is more than just saying "God exists."

Mordred19

Fair enough. I retract the word system from my previous statement.

Atheists hold a belief there is no god, just like religious people hold a belief there is a god.

I don't hold a belief. I'm open to evidence that there is a god. I find the current justifications for assertions of god to be lacking.

e isn't much in the world/universe that we can't explain except for the existence of pink unicorns. There is, however, several aspects of earth's development, and mankind's existence that we cannot explain, but lend themselves to the notion that maybe, just maybe, some superior/supreme being is meddling in earth's journey through the cosmos.

I personally do not adhere to any religion, and I don't believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-caring, ubiquitous god. But I find it hard to look at things like the moon, for instance, and not wonder if its easier to believe we have our just-the-right-size, just-the-right-distance-from-earth moon because of pure happen-stance, or according to something's purpose.

collegeboy64

The moon was most likely cause by a huge asteroid hitting the earth early in its development, and the debris was kept in orbit by the earth's gravity.

As for this "goldilocks" positioning of the earth, it isn't all that special. True, there is the inhabitable zone that the earth lies within, but that zone is quite large. We could be almost as far out as mars and the earth would still be inhabitable. And remember something, life adapts to fit its environment. If the environment of the earth was different, lifeforms would simply be different. Or maybe not here at all. There's no reason life has to exist.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Well, there isn't much in the world/universe that we can't explain except for the existence of pink unicorns. There is, however, several aspects of earth's development, and mankind's existence that we cannot explain, but lend themselves to the notion that maybe, just maybe, some superior/supreme being is meddling in earth's journey through the cosmos.

I personally do not adhere to any religion, and I don't believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-caring, ubiquitous god. But I find it hard to look at things like the moon, for instance, and not wonder if its easier to believe we have our just-the-right-size, just-the-right-distance-from-earth moon because of pure happen-stance, or according to something's purpose.

collegeboy64

According to Webster's dictionary they are.

I can only hope the readers of this letter are as outraged as I am at Prof. ShadowMoses900. To begin with, if Prof. ShadowMoses900's bootlickers had even an ounce of integrity they would reverse the devolutionary course that Prof. ShadowMoses900 has set for us. Her latest machinations have arisen like a phoenix out of the ashes and failures of their brown-nosing forebears. If you find that fact distressing then you should help me create a world in which totalitarianism, gangsterism, and solipsism are all but forgotten. Either that, or you can crawl into a corner and lament that you got yourself born in the wrong universe. Don't expect your sobbing to do much good, however, because Prof. ShadowMoses900 and her backers are, by nature, humorless, filthy vulgarians. Not only can that nature not be changed by window-dressing or persiflage, but with that kind of thinking, our situation is snowballing. It is no more complicated than that.

Prof. ShadowMoses900 once tried convincing me that university professors must conform their theses and conclusions to her hateful prejudices if they want to publish papers and advance their careers. Does she think I was born yesterday? I mean, it seems pretty obvious that I honestly wouldn't want to stab us in the back. I would, on the other hand, love to examine Prof. ShadowMoses900's worldview from the perspective of its axiology (values) and epistemology (ways of knowing). But, hey, I'm already doing that with this letter. I like to face facts. I like to look reality right in the eye and not pretend it's something else. And the reality of our present situation is this: Destabilizing society is a mug's game. The only reason Prof. ShadowMoses900 does things like that is because she and her countless imitators are unremittingly hostile towards those of us who convert retreat into advance. I'm not saying that facetiously; as people who know me really realize, I always mean what I say and say what I mean. They also realize that if you look soberly and carefully at the evidence all around you, you will indeed find that I deeply believe that it's within our grasp to knock some sense into Prof. ShadowMoses900. Be grateful for this first and last tidbit of comforting news. The rest of this letter will center around the way that I believe in "live and let live". Prof. ShadowMoses900, in contrast, demands not only tolerance and acceptance of her practices but endorsement of them. It's because of such lawless demands that I allege that she hates people who have huge supplies of the things she lacks. What Prof. ShadowMoses900 lacks the most is common sense, which underlies my point that she thinks that churlish cockalorums and merciless fast-buck artists should rule this country. Of course, thinking so doesn't make it so.

You may wonder why the idea that people want unbalanced racketeers to spread exclusionism all over the globe like pigeon droppings over Trafalgar Square is a fundamental misunderstanding of the human condition. It's simply because Prof. ShadowMoses900 has been deluding people into believing that she knows the "right" way to read Plato, Maimonides, and Machiavelli. Don't let her delude you, too. I hope I don't need to remind you that I could make an argument for the idea that her unconscious preoccupation with a subjective cognizance of reality leads her to control, manipulate, and harm other people, but it's still true, and we must do something about it.

No one has a higher opinion of Prof. ShadowMoses900 than I, and I think Prof. ShadowMoses900 is a sanctimonious, contumacious buttinsky. If one dares to criticize even a single tenet of her ramblings, one is promptly condemned as namby-pamby, stubborn, barbaric, or whatever epithet she deems most appropriate, usually without much explanation. Some reputed—as opposed to reputable—members of Prof. ShadowMoses900's cabal quite adamantly warrant that the Earth is flat. I find it rather astonishing that anyone could think such a thing, but then again, if my own experience has taught me anything, it's that there is a format Prof. ShadowMoses900 should follow for her next literary endeavor. It involves a topic sentence and supporting facts.

Experience should probably indicate that Prof. ShadowMoses900's inimical endeavors leave the current power structure untouched while simultaneously killing countless children through starvation and disease. Are these children her enemies? If I'm not mistaken, there's a painfully simple answer. It regards the way that if she thinks that she has mystical powers of divination and prophecy then maybe she should lay off the wacky tobacky. Those of us who are still sane, those of us who still have a firm grip on reality, those of us who still assert that Prof. ShadowMoses900 has a driving need to let down ladders that the birdbrained, dissolute, and scurrilous scramble to climb, have an obligation to do more than just observe what she is doing from a safe distance. We have an obligation to expose injustice and puncture prejudice. We have an obligation to lift our nation from the quicksand of injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. And we have an obligation to change the minds of those who weave her intolerant traits, maledicent values, and illogical methods of interpretation into a rich tapestry that is sure to contravene decency.

It is our responsibility to ensure that Prof. ShadowMoses900 doesn't perpetuate myths that glorify heathenism, but, as you know, sometimes I think that she is simply a willing pawn of those bleeding-heart, prissy wild-types who form the association in the public's mind between any pranks she disagrees with and the ideas of hate and violence and illegality. I typically drop that willing-pawn notion, however, whenever I remember that Prof. ShadowMoses900 is utterly versipellous. When she's among plebeians, Prof. ShadowMoses900 warms the cockles of their hearts by remonstrating against defeatism. But when Prof. ShadowMoses900 is safely surrounded by her factotums, she instructs them to bombard us with an endless array of hate literature. That type of cunning two-sidedness tells us that Prof. ShadowMoses900 sees no reason why she shouldn't base racial definitions on lineage, phrenological characteristics, skin hue, and religion. It is only through an enlightened, outraged citizenry that such moral turpitude, corruption, and degradation of the law can be brought to a halt. So, let me enlighten and outrage you by stating that a great many of us don't want Prof. ShadowMoses900 to make widespread accusations and insinuations without having the facts to back them up. Still, we feel a prodigious pressure to smile, to be nice, and not to object to her money-grubbing ebullitions.

Prof. ShadowMoses900 either is or elects to be ignorant of scientific principles and methods. She even intentionally misuses scientific terminology to lay all of society open to the predations of organized criminality. She has called innocent children contemptuous, maladroit proletariats to their faces. This was not a momentary aberration or a slip of the tongue, and hence, we can safely say that this is not wild speculation. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is documented fact.

There's no shortage of sin in the world today. It's been around since the Garden of Eden and will undeniably persist as long as Prof. ShadowMoses900 continues to ridicule the accomplishments of generations of great men and women. If it is not yet clear that I refuse to kowtow to her noisome cult, then consider that whenever she announces that Man's eternal search for Truth is a challenge to be avoided at all costs, her secret police applaud on cue and the accolades are long and ostentatious. What's funny is that they don't provide similar feedback whenever I tell them that Prof. ShadowMoses900 looks primarily at a person's superficial qualities such as physiognomy and mannerisms. I, in contrast, consider how likely a person is to wake people out of their stupor and call on them to provide a positive, confident, and assertive vision of humanity's future and our role in it. That's what's important to me. Either way, she likes to brag about how the members of her gang are ideologically diverse. Perhaps that means that some of them prefer Stalin over Hitler In any case, Prof. ShadowMoses900's claims are continually evolving into more and more scary incarnations. Here, I'm not just talking about evolution in a simply Darwinist sense; I'm also talking about how Prof. ShadowMoses900 says that parasitism is a wonderful thing. This is at best wrong. At worst, it is a lie.

Knowledge is the key that unlocks the shackles of bondage. That's why it's important for you to know that Prof. ShadowMoses900 is willing to promote truth and justice when it's convenient. But when it threatens her creature comforts, Prof. ShadowMoses900 throws principle to the wind. She sees herself as a postmodern equivalent of Marx's proletariat, revolutionizing the world by wresting it from its oppressors (viz., those who rub Prof. ShadowMoses900's nose in her own hypocrisy). Prof. ShadowMoses900 says that pauperism provides an easy escape from a life of frustration, unhappiness, desperation, depression, and loneliness. What balderdash! What impudence! What treachery!

Prof. ShadowMoses900 insists that embracing a system of despotism will make everything right with the world. This fraud, this lie, is just one among the thousands she perpetrates. And if you think that free speech is wonderful as long as you're not bashing her and the disloyal snollygosters in her polity, then you aren't thinking very clearly. Her surrogates believe that cynicism is a viable and vital objective for our nation's educational institutions. It should not be surprising that they believe this, however. As we all know, minds that have been so maimed that they believe that pushy schmoes make the best scoutmasters and schoolteachers can believe anything, especially if it's false. After having read this, you may think that Prof. ShadowMoses900 is just making a mug of herself when she says that her announcements are Holy Writ. Nevertheless, you should always remember that her collaborators hew closer to the party line—to Prof. ShadowMoses900's established body of cant—than do most other impulsive, putrid derelicts.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I shouldn't have to explain what Eugenics is, it should be obvious that it's wrong. Eugenics is the racist belief system that some people are inferior than others and that only people who are "good" or who have "good" genes should reproduce and mate with others who are "good" genes, while the "inferior" ones should either die or become steralised. It's wrong and goes agaisnt evoltution completely as evolution creates genetic variation that way a species can survive in different environments, and quite frankly eugnenics goes right back to the days of Nazi Germany and anyone that supports it evil.ShadowMoses900

No eugenics is wrong, and thinking otherwise is wrong too. What makes you think you are "fit" anyway? If yoHuu look up the the standard for people who would be considered "fit" by eugenics than most of the population would be gone, for instance do you look at porn? If you do you are considered "unfit" under there term. If you have a grandparent with an illness than they believe you should be sterilised. This goes against peoples rights and I suggest you go read the novel "Brave New World", is that the kind of world you want to live in?

Human Evoltution happened NATURALLY, not artificially. And it is racist, they think Jews, blacks, asians ect... are inferior. No one is any more"fit" than anyone else in this day and age....

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Hmm...his name sounds familiar, wasn't he the abortionist doctor that was killed?

I'm not going to debate about abortion though becasue that is NOT what this thread is about, so if that is your intention than I'm sorry but it's not relevant.

ShadowMoses900

Yes and the guy that killed him was wrong, it hurts us Pro Lifers. I don't like abortion doctors either, but killing them is the wrong message about our position.

But there were plenty of atheists who killed people, Stalin was an atheist and look how many people he killed.

tell me how atheism can motivate someone to take actions (or in this case, order them) that will kill millions of people. what is it about lack of belief in gods that removes a person's instinctive empathy for other human beings? can you enlighten me about the causal relationship between these things?

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

No one can KNOW there is NOT a god any more than one can KNOW there IS a god. Athiesm is as much a belief system as any religion.

ShadowMoses900

There is no "system" of belief within atheism. All it takes is a lack of faith to be an atheist. Participating is a religion is more than just saying "God exists."

Actually it requires more belief and faith than you think. How do you know that there is no god? How do you know what your reading in your science book is real without doing any studies? How do you know there is no life after death? Why do you think the everything in the universe came about by randomness and we just randomly happened to "evolve" without any guidance?

All these questions require faith and a belief to answer, wether your an athiest or a deist. An aganostic would say they don't know to all those questions, they arn't making a claim. The atheist is....

What does what I'm reading in science books hae to do with anything? I can reject eveything they say and still be an atheist.

Again, what does life after death have to do with atheism? There are atheists that believe in ghosts.

There was nothing "random" about the the universe's creation or evolution. And no, evolution is most certainly not random. Who lives and who dies depends very much on who is best adapted to their environment. Nothing random about that.

No faith required there...

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="scorch-62"] Eugenics is not inherently "evil." It has a bad rep because the Nazis were twisted human beings with no sense of ethics. Eugenics is just the self-direction of human evolution. It is not racist. There is no belief structure behind it saying people are "good" or "bad" because of their genes. Eugenics attempts to remove bad genes from the overall population.scorch-62

No eugenics is wrong, and thinking otherwise is wrong too. What makes you think you are "fit" anyway? If yoHuu look up the the standard for people who would be considered "fit" by eugenics than most of the population would be gone, for instance do you look at porn? If you do you are considered "unfit" under there term. If you have a grandparent with an illness than they believe you should be sterilised. This goes against peoples rights and I suggest you go read the novel "Brave New World", is that the kind of world you want to live in?

Human Evoltution happened NATURALLY, not artificially. And it is racist, they think Jews, blacks, asians ect... are inferior. No one is any more"fit" than anyone else in this day and age....

To remove so called "bad" genes that people might deem "unfit" is wrong and uncostitutional. Also it isn't even evolution, the reason why there are so many different types of people in terms of body size,metabolism, hair/skin color ect... is because gentic variation is good and keeps us alive. We are all the same species despite our differences, and this keeps us alive. To remove one group of people like this would have disasterous results, and who is to determine what genes are "fit" and "unfit"? Where does it stop? I believe all people are born equal and should be treated as so.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]e isn't much in the world/universe that we can't explain except for the existence of pink unicorns. There is, however, several aspects of earth's development, and mankind's existence that we cannot explain, but lend themselves to the notion that maybe, just maybe, some superior/supreme being is meddling in earth's journey through the cosmos.

I personally do not adhere to any religion, and I don't believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-caring, ubiquitous god. But I find it hard to look at things like the moon, for instance, and not wonder if its easier to believe we have our just-the-right-size, just-the-right-distance-from-earth moon because of pure happen-stance, or according to something's purpose.

BuryMe

The moon was most likely cause by a huge asteroid hitting the earth early in its development, and the debris was kept in orbit by the earth's gravity.

As for this "goldilocks" positioning of the earth, it isn't all that special. True, there is the inhabitable zone that the earth lies within, but that zone is quite large. We could be almost as far out as mars and the earth would still be inhabitable. And remember something, life adapts to fit its environment. If the environment of the earth was different, lifeforms would simply be different. Or maybe not here at all. There's no reason life has to exist.

when I think of how big the universe is, I don't see what is miraculous that somewhere, at some time, the conditions for life could exist.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]e isn't much in the world/universe that we can't explain except for the existence of pink unicorns. There is, however, several aspects of earth's development, and mankind's existence that we cannot explain, but lend themselves to the notion that maybe, just maybe, some superior/supreme being is meddling in earth's journey through the cosmos.

I personally do not adhere to any religion, and I don't believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-caring, ubiquitous god. But I find it hard to look at things like the moon, for instance, and not wonder if its easier to believe we have our just-the-right-size, just-the-right-distance-from-earth moon because of pure happen-stance, or according to something's purpose.

Mordred19

The moon was most likely cause by a huge asteroid hitting the earth early in its development, and the debris was kept in orbit by the earth's gravity.

As for this "goldilocks" positioning of the earth, it isn't all that special. True, there is the inhabitable zone that the earth lies within, but that zone is quite large. We could be almost as far out as mars and the earth would still be inhabitable. And remember something, life adapts to fit its environment. If the environment of the earth was different, lifeforms would simply be different. Or maybe not here at all. There's no reason life has to exist.

when I think of how big the universe is, I don't see what is miraculous that somewhere, at some time, the conditions for life could exist.

That's kind of the point I was trying to make towards the end.

To remove so called "bad" genes that people might deem "unfit" is wrong and uncostitutional. Also it isn't even evolution, the reason why there are so many different types of people in terms of body size,metabolism, hair/skin color ect... is because gentic variation is good and keeps us alive. We are all the same species despite our differences, and this keeps us alive. To remove one group of people like this would have disasterous results, and who is to determine what genes are "fit" and "unfit"? Where does it stop? I believe all people are born equal and should be treated as so.ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]You've kind of lost me there.

The moon was most likely cause by a huge asteroid hitting the earth early in its development, and the debris was kept in orbit by the earth's gravity.

As for this "goldilocks" positioning of the earth, it isn't all that special. True, there is the inhabitable zone that the earth lies within, but that zone is quite large. We could be almost as far out as mars and the earth would still be inhabitable. And remember something, life adapts to fit its environment. If the environment of the earth was different, lifeforms would simply be different. Or maybe not here at all. There's no reason life has to exist.

BuryMe

when I think of how big the universe is, I don't see what is miraculous that somewhere, at some time, the conditions for life could exist.

That's kind of the point I was trying to make towards the end.

I agree that we agree :P , just wanted to add my perspective to the subject.

coolbeans90

Okay first off I'm a guy, secondly I didn't read your whole hate letter either. And the parts I did read were untrue, like I never said the Earth was flat....

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]To remove so called "bad" genes that people might deem "unfit" is wrong and uncostitutional. Also it isn't even evolution, the reason why there are so many different types of people in terms of body size,metabolism, hair/skin color ect... is because gentic variation is good and keeps us alive. We are all the same species despite our differences, and this keeps us alive. To remove one group of people like this would have disasterous results, and who is to determine what genes are "fit" and "unfit"? Where does it stop? I believe all people are born equal and should be treated as so.scorch-62

I don't know if this is a habit of the TC to go off on one subject without listening to people, which is why I'd like to know if shadowmoses900 made a particular Israel thread a while ago, where the TC was jumping down people's throats and comparing their opinions to nazi-sympathizers.

shadowmoses, could at least slow down and consider what others are posting? I think you have an incorrect idea of atheism and agnosticism.

"militant atheists" aren't killing anyone

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

ShadowMoses900

Okay first off I'm a guy, secondly I didn't read your whole hate letter either. And the parts I did read were untrue, like I never said the Earth was flat....

A man of respectable stature would thoroughly read the aforementioned editorial and undergo thoughtful reflection before replying.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

coolbeans90

Okay first off I'm a guy, secondly I didn't read your whole hate letter either. And the parts I did read were untrue, like I never said the Earth was flat....

A man of respectable stature would thoroughly read the aforementioned editorial and undergo thoughtful reflection before replying.

lol okay why would I read through rabble? I'm not a proffessor and you made up things. I never said anything about killing kids or anything like that, where are you getting this from? I don't read hate letters that are longer than BHO (barrak hussein obama lol) health bill and that don't have any truth in them. It really made no sense and makes me laugh that someone would take the time out of thier day to post a hate message about an anonymes person online.... Please do another, I thought it was funny....

But most scientists (including those who study evoltion) belive in God.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]e isn't much in the world/universe that we can't explain except for the existence of pink unicorns. There is, however, several aspects of earth's development, and mankind's existence that we cannot explain, but lend themselves to the notion that maybe, just maybe, some superior/supreme being is meddling in earth's journey through the cosmos.

I personally do not adhere to any religion, and I don't believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-caring, ubiquitous god. But I find it hard to look at things like the moon, for instance, and not wonder if its easier to believe we have our just-the-right-size, just-the-right-distance-from-earth moon because of pure happen-stance, or according to something's purpose.

BuryMe

The moon was most likely cause by a huge asteroid hitting the earth early in its development, and the debris was kept in orbit by the earth's gravity.

As for this "goldilocks" positioning of the earth, it isn't all that special. True, there is the inhabitable zone that the earth lies within, but that zone is quite large. We could be almost as far out as mars and the earth would still be inhabitable. And remember something, life adapts to fit its environment. If the environment of the earth was different, lifeforms would simply be different. Or maybe not here at all. There's no reason life has to exist.

First, I was talking about the size and distance from earth of the moon. Not the distance of earth from the sun, i.e the goldilocks zone.

Second. Yes, I believe in the large impactor theory of how the moon was formed. My point is, it was just the right size body, moving at just the right speed, hitting at a very oblique angle (i.e. just the right angle) to give us a moon that is perfectly sized and perfectly positioned to give earth its stable axial tilt, speed of rotation, etc etc.

I realize it comes down to a which came first, the chicken or the egg kind of thing. If it hadn't happened, we would not be here typing on our computers, debating the existance of a god. But it did happen and made our society possible, so here we are typing. I guess my point is: Its no more difficult for me to believe some intelligence meddled in our past as it is to believe it all happened by pure chance.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

But most scientists (including those who study evoltion) belive in God.

Diviniuz

Athiesm and science are not exclusive....many christians and religious jews ect...are scienctists and are respected by their comminties. They study and belive in evolution and it fits in fine with their faith.

Science it'self has NOTHING to do with athiesm or religion.

I put militant Atheists in the same category as such people like the Westboro Baptist Church. Militant Atheists insult people who don't have the same beliefs (or lack of) as them and the WBC insults people who don't have the same beliefs as them. I give the militant Atheists a plus because they don't protest the funerals of deceased troops like the WBC for the sole purpose of spreading their belief that God is punishing the US for not banning homosexuality.

At the same time, I know that there are much worse people out there who may be religious fanatics. Looking at radical Muslims, they let their beliefs go so far that they can justify killing nonbelievers. It was the same thing hundreds of years ago withChristianswhen you look at such things as the Salem Witch Trials. You're going to always get people to dislike each other for different beliefs.

I just look at militant Atheists as an annoyance while I look at the most extreme religious people as a danger. Likewise, nothing is wrong with a regular Atheist or a religious person who isn't a total butthole.

In the U.S., religious people are the ones pushing anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage laws. You hear stuff like that everyday, meanwhile you hear stories about atheists suing to remove a cross from a park.

Which one seems more radical?

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Okay first off I'm a guy, secondly I didn't read your whole hate letter either. And the parts I did read were untrue, like I never said the Earth was flat....

ShadowMoses900

A man of respectable stature would thoroughly read the aforementioned editorial and undergo thoughtful reflection before replying.

lol okay why would I read through rabble? I'm not a proffessor and you made up things. I never said anything about killing kids or anything like that, where are you getting this from? I don't read hate letters that are longer than BHO (barrak hussein obama lol) health bill and that don't have any truth in them. It really made no sense and makes me laugh that someone would take the time out of thier day to post a hate message about an anonymes person online.... Please do another, I thought it was funny....

Coolbeans90 enjoys lording his intelligence over people, and this is a ****c case. If you would, let me respond to him on your behalf.

@coolbeans90:Your peons have been running around recently trying to crush the will of all individuals who have expressed political and intellectual opposition toyour doings. Meanwhile,you've has been preparing to make life less pleasant for us on OT. The whole episode smacks of a carefully orchestrated operation. If you ask me, I want to make this clear so that those who do not understand deeper messages embedded within sarcastic irony—and you know who I'm referring to—can process my point. If you were to try to tell his legatees that the plethora of obfuscating, multisyllabic phrases in his publications serves only to accentuate the obscurity of his prose, they'd close their eyes and put their hands over their ears. They are, as the psychologists say, in denial. They don't want to hear that I am reminded of the quote, "Even Coolbeans90 must concede that he is full of angst and passion and venom." This comment is not as cheeky as it seems because today, we might have let Coolbeans90 force onto us the degradation and ignominy that he is known to revel in. Tomorrow, we won't. Instead, we will complain about untrustworthy schizophrenics.

I think we can indubitably say that by bowdlerizing all unfavorable descriptions of his ballyhoos, Coolbeans90 has erected a monument to Jacobinism. Only it does not seem proper to say that such a thing has been "created". "Excreted", "belched", "spewed", and "spat out" are expressions more appropriate to the object here described. You see, there is more at play here than Coolbeans90's purely political game of selling us fibs and fear mixed with a generous dollop of jujuism. There are ideologies at work, hidden agendas to set the hoops through which we all must jump. While I can't speak for anyone else, I believe that there is one crucial fact that we must not overlook if we are to perceive our current situation as it is, rather than in the anamorphosis of some "ideology" such as faddism or Bulverism. Specifically, I should note that it's easy to tell if Coolbeans90 is lying. If his lips are moving, he's lying.

Did Coolbeans90 cancel his plans to compromise the free and open nature of public discourse because he had a change of heart, or is he continuing the same battle on another front? It would appear to be the latter. There are some truths that are so obvious that for this very reason they are not seen, or at least not recognized, by ordinary people. One noteworthy example is the truism that my current plan is to acknowledge that he is a myth-generating machine. Yes, Coolbeans90 will draw upon the most powerful fires of Hell to tear that plan asunder, but back when our policemen were guardians, not enforcers, they would have protected us from Coolbeans90's brownshirt brigade. Today, it seems that most officers of the law are content to sit back and let Coolbeans90 infiltrate and then dominate and control the mass media. That's why we must prevent his sniveling casus belli from spreading like a malignant tumor.

If we are to purge the darkness from Coolbeans90's heart, then we must be guided by a healthy and progressive ideology, not by the inarticulate and beastly ideologies that Coolbeans90 promotes. Two quick comments: 1) He should have been removed from the gene pool before he had a chance to contaminate it, and 2) he attributes the most distorted, bizarre, and ludicrous "meanings" to ordinary personality characteristics. For example, if you're shy, Coolbeans90 calls you "fearful and withdrawn". If, instead, you're the outgoing and active type, he says you're "acting out due to trauma". Why does Coolbeans90 say such things? I don't pretend to know the answer, but I do know that when I say that Coolbeans90's readiness to call me crass has to be the most egregious example imaginable of the pot calling the kettle black, this does not, I repeat, does not mean that everyone and everything discriminates against him—including the writing on the bathroom stalls. This is a common fallacy held by the most stuporous fanatics you'll ever see. I hope I haven't bored you by writing an entire letter about Coolbeans90. Still, this letter was the best way to explain to you that I don't think Coolbeans90 understands what lexiphanicism means to all the people it hurts.

But most scientists (including those who study evoltion) belive in God.

In the U.S., religious people are the ones pushing anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage laws. You hear stuff like that everyday, meanwhile you hear stories about atheists suing to remove a cross from a park.

Which one seems more radical?

DroidPhysX

Defending the rights for babies to live isn't radical, I do wish though that religous people would be more tolerant towards gay people though. They should have the same rights...

Still you didn't really state anything radical, I'm against abortion, are you calling me a radical?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

In the U.S., religious people are the ones pushing anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage laws. You hear stuff like that everyday, meanwhile you hear stories about atheists suing to remove a cross from a park.

Which one seems more radical?

ShadowMoses900

Defending the rights for babies to live isn't radical, I do wish though that religous people would be more tolerant towards gay people though. They should have the same rights...

Still you didn't really state anything radical, I'm against abortion, are you calling me a radical?

Anybody's that's really militant and believes they have the right to enforce their wills and desires on others, is a zero in my book. Religous or not.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Your missing my point, it all starts with intolerance and being closed minded. That's how radicals start, and any form of radicals wether they be atheist or relgious is bad for society. I have no issue with the average atheist, just the radical ones.

And one of the first group that Stalin killed was Christians becasue he thought they would inspire people.

ShadowMoses900

lol some are, yes. But trust me I know PLENTY of radical atheists in real life, they do exist. Like on my college campus for example we have the right to form various clubs/groups for the students to gather at. And there is a Christian group on the campus that meets up on the east section of the campus and they pray and stuff, but there is a small group of atheists there who are tyring to get a petition going to get them kicked out of praying on campus and they go by and yell at them them and whatnot. The Christians arn't hurting anyone, so why not just leave them alone? Also this is only one atheist group that does this mind you, the other atheist groups on campus don't bother anyone.

those are called knowitall college douchebags

You are totally right, there definitely isn't much different between Bill Maher calling religious fanatics like the WBC idiots and the WBC calling for and celebrating the death of homosexuals and soldiers. Also wanting to switch 'Merry Christmas' with 'Happy Holidays' has been just as deadly and detrimental to society as terrorist attacks. :roll: Both sides have their fare share of arrogant and ignorant individuals, but in terms of extremism atheism pales in comparison to theism. SaintLeonidas

I don't know if you're replying to my post, and if you're not I do apoligizebut I'm assuming you are because of the Maher comment, I'm not going to even bother getting into a debate on that smug, repulsive idiot, but if you think he stops at the Extremists you're wrong. I never once mentioned the destruction brought about by believers vs non believers. Of course Religion has had a hand in countless upon countlessdeaths.

My post was centered more around the everyday "battles" between the Atheist and Believers. In the everyday battle theseAtheist groups are just as annoying and intolrant as the relgious groups.You brought up this notion of erasing the "Merry Christmas" greeting and replacing it with, as you said, "Happy Holidays". This is what I was refering to.As an Atheiest I can assure you that I have never had my ears bleed or my head explode at the sound of "Merry Christmas" or"Happy Chanuka", My eyes have never popped at the sight of a nativity scene or a Menorah on public property. It doesn't do any harm having these things said or placed up for a few weeks, if you don't like it fine.If you share the same opinion on God as I do, I still don't understand why but just ignore it.If you're see a nativity scene and automatically associate that with the Catholic Church that's your own problem. You can be upset atthe Catholic Church and its system of values and ideals that's one thing and that's fine, I agree with you. But not everyone who is Catholic tows that company line, and I would imagine based on Church attendance this day and age a large portion of believers in the Catholic faith do not agree with the Church stance on many things. Just because they have no faith in their church doesn't mean they don't have faith in their religion.

An earlier poster stated that an Atheist group (which in itself is just retarted) is angry at a group of religious students for a prayer group on a campus lawn, why do they care? To file lawsuits and take out billboards on buses like they Do in here in NY is just so stupid, pointless and counterproductive. I'm ashamed of these people who for some reason or another think they speak for me and every other person who does not believe in God

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

In the U.S., religious people are the ones pushing anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage laws. You hear stuff like that everyday, meanwhile you hear stories about atheists suing to remove a cross from a park.

Which one seems more radical?

DroidPhysX

Defending the rights for babies to live isn't radical, I do wish though that religous people would be more tolerant towards gay people though. They should have the same rights...

Still you didn't really state anything radical, I'm against abortion, are you calling me a radical?

Actually my position on abortion is based on science of the baby development in the womb, and simply because I find it unethical. If you were in a womb that was about to be aborted droid, I would be upset about that becasue I belive you have rights too and I think you should get a chance at life. Ironically you don't think you would, but I agree that's a debate for another time...

And lol @ ignoring facts, if you don't want to listen to my side of things then I don't care. But don't pretend I'm dumb just so you can live in your own little world, I find it funny because I respect your views and posts even though I often disagree with them, but you don't respect mine.

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

But most scientists (including those who study evoltion) belive in God.

ShadowMoses900

Athiesm and science are not exclusive....many christians and religious jews ect...are scienctists and are respected by their comminties. They study and belive in evolution and it fits in fine with their faith.

Science it'self has NOTHING to do with athiesm or religion.

You are clearly using science to rationalize the work of your god, but then say science and religion aren't related.

Have athiests burned people at the stake? No

Have athiests tried to bring magic and make belief into the science classroom? No

Have athiests tried to impose ideals about sexuality based on the writings of sheepherders from 2000 years ago? No

Have athiest tried to limit scientific research trueout human history? No

Have athiests forbidden the use of contraceptives in countries riddled with aids? No

Have athiests tortured and killed thousands of people because they were not athiests? No

Do athiests come knocking on your door in an attempt to teach you the 'way'? No

Do athiests form cults stealing away children in order to convert them? No

Do athiests protest at the funerals of dead soldiers and cancer victims? No

Have athiests burned people at the stake? No

Have athiests tried to bring magic and make belief into the science classroom? No

Have athiests tried to impose ideals about sexuality based on the writings of sheepherders from 2000 years ago? No

Have athiest tried to limit scientific research trueout human history? No

Have athiests forbidden the use of contraceptives in countries riddled with aids? No

Have athiests tortured and killed thousands of people because they were not athiests? No

Do athiests come knocking on your door in an attempt to teach you the 'way'? No

Do athiests form cults stealing away children in order to convert them? No

Do athiests protest at the funerals of dead soldiers and cancer victims? No

tenaka2

All those things happened under communist regimes under Joseph Stalin and other athiests....may be a different context but still the same, like cults stealing kids away, well in the soviet union Stalin had secret police who kidnapped kids and sent them into prison bases.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Have athiests burned people at the stake? No

Have athiests tried to bring magic and make belief into the science classroom? No

Have athiests tried to impose ideals about sexuality based on the writings of sheepherders from 2000 years ago? No

Have athiest tried to limit scientific research trueout human history? No

Have athiests forbidden the use of contraceptives in countries riddled with aids? No

Have athiests tortured and killed thousands of people because they were not athiests? No

Do athiests come knocking on your door in an attempt to teach you the 'way'? No

Do athiests form cults stealing away children in order to convert them? No

Do athiests protest at the funerals of dead soldiers and cancer victims? No

ShadowMoses900

All those things happened under communist regimes under Joseph Stalin and other athiests....may be a different context but still the same, like cults stealing kids away, well in the soviet union Stalin had secret police who kidnapped kids and sent them into prison bases.

Stalin burned people at the stake for being witches?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Have athiests burned people at the stake? No

Have athiests tried to bring magic and make belief into the science classroom? No

Have athiests tried to impose ideals about sexuality based on the writings of sheepherders from 2000 years ago? No

Have athiest tried to limit scientific research trueout human history? No

Have athiests forbidden the use of contraceptives in countries riddled with aids? No

Have athiests tortured and killed thousands of people because they were not athiests? No

Do athiests come knocking on your door in an attempt to teach you the 'way'? No

Do athiests form cults stealing away children in order to convert them? No

Do athiests protest at the funerals of dead soldiers and cancer victims? No

ShadowMoses900

All those things happened under communist regimes under Joseph Stalin and other athiests....may be a different context but still the same, like cults stealing kids away, well in the soviet union Stalin had secret police who kidnapped kids and sent them into prison bases.

stalin didnt do those things BECAUSE he was an atheist though. you know that right?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Have athiests burned people at the stake? No

Have athiests tried to bring magic and make belief into the science classroom? No

Have athiests tried to impose ideals about sexuality based on the writings of sheepherders from 2000 years ago? No

Have athiest tried to limit scientific research trueout human history? No

Have athiests forbidden the use of contraceptives in countries riddled with aids? No

Have athiests tortured and killed thousands of people because they were not athiests? No

Do athiests come knocking on your door in an attempt to teach you the 'way'? No

Do athiests form cults stealing away children in order to convert them? No

Do athiests protest at the funerals of dead soldiers and cancer victims? No

ShadowMoses900

All those things happened under communist regimes under Joseph Stalin and other athiests....may be a different context but still the same, like cults stealing kids away, well in the soviet union Stalin had secret police who kidnapped kids and sent them into prison bases.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Have athiests burned people at the stake? No

Have athiests tried to bring magic and make belief into the science classroom? No

Have athiests tried to impose ideals about sexuality based on the writings of sheepherders from 2000 years ago? No

Have athiest tried to limit scientific research trueout human history? No

Have athiests forbidden the use of contraceptives in countries riddled with aids? No

Have athiests tortured and killed thousands of people because they were not athiests? No

Do athiests come knocking on your door in an attempt to teach you the 'way'? No

Do athiests form cults stealing away children in order to convert them? No

Do athiests protest at the funerals of dead soldiers and cancer victims? No

Diviniuz

All those things happened under communist regimes under Joseph Stalin and other athiests....may be a different context but still the same, like cults stealing kids away, well in the soviet union Stalin had secret police who kidnapped kids and sent them into prison bases.

Of course not but its ok to 'Lie for Jesus' although there may be a commandment about it somewhere or other.

coolbeans90

Lol ya another love letter! Do another one of me please ;)

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Defending the rights for babies to live isn't radical, I do wish though that religous people would be more tolerant towards gay people though. They should have the same rights...

Still you didn't really state anything radical, I'm against abortion, are you calling me a radical?

ShadowMoses900

Actually my position on abortion is based on science of the baby development in the womb, and simply because I find it unethical. If you were in a womb that was about to be aborted droid, I would be upset about that becasue I belive you have rights too and I think you should get a chance at life. Ironically you don't think you would, but I agree that's a debate for another time...

And lol @ ignoring facts, if you don't want to listen to my side of things then I don't care. But don't pretend I'm dumb just so you can live in your own little world, I find it funny because I respect your views and posts even though I often disagree with them, but you don't respect mine.