militarization of police....

Nobody likes a cop, until you need one. Yes, they're here to enforce the laws but they also protect us civillians. They don't want to have better weapons to rule over us and take away our freedoms. If they're putting their life on the line to protect us, then they have the right to protect themselves. Getting illegal weapons and explosives isn't as hard as you'd think.

Nobody likes a cop, until you need one. Yes, they're here to enforce the laws but they also protect us civillians. They don't want to have better weapons to rule over us and take away our freedoms. If they're putting their life on the line to protect us, then they have the right to protect themselves. Getting illegal weapons and explosives isn't as hard as you'd think.

brickdoctor

This post reminded me of the scene in the Dark Knighte bfore Harvey Dent turned himself in as the Batman.

Sure, there would be the small amount of sociopaths and psychopaths that are born criminals, but they can be dealt with by the people as need be. There certainly doesn't need to be an army of armed men poking their noses into everyone's business and ultimately oppressing the people because of their authority. optiow

What's the difference between a militia and the police, exactly, besides the militia having no regulations?

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]Why would that matter? I don't think that anyways.If you speak out against the government there, then you are arrested.optiow

people know right from wrong, but that doesn't stop them from doing illegal things.even with police, people break the law all the time. i can only see that increasing if there were no police.needled24-7

and i disagree with what you're saying about police poking their noses into everyone's business and oppressing the people because of their authority. i've never been pulled over while driving, and the times i have interacted with a police officer on the street, they have been very reasonable in every situation. i was arrested one time, but the officer the arrested me wasn't a douchebag like so many people seem to think all police are. he was just a normal guy doing his job, and i deserved to be arrested, me and my friends were doing something illegal in a horrible spot to be doing it.

[QUOTE="optiow"]Sure, there would be the small amount of sociopaths and psychopaths that are born criminals, but they can be dealt with by the people as need be. There certainly doesn't need to be an army of armed men poking their noses into everyone's business and ultimately oppressing the people because of their authority. ROFLCOPTER603

What's the difference between a militia and the police, exactly, besides the militia having no regulations?

we don't need police to be good people, but we need police to arrest the bad people.needled24-7

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="optiow"]Sure, there would be the small amount of sociopaths and psychopaths that are born criminals, but they can be dealt with by the people as need be. There certainly doesn't need to be an army of armed men poking their noses into everyone's business and ultimately oppressing the people because of their authority. optiow

What's the difference between a militia and the police, exactly, besides the militia having no regulations?

So you support total anarchy?

And how are the bad police supposed to arrest themselves? :|optiow

Internal Affairs...

It works, its time to have the police ready for a war.

I think people will always hate authority, but it still is better than anarchy.

sonicare

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="optiow"]Sure, there would be the small amount of sociopaths and psychopaths that are born criminals, but they can be dealt with by the people as need be. There certainly doesn't need to be an army of armed men poking their noses into everyone's business and ultimately oppressing the people because of their authority. optiow

What's the difference between a militia and the police, exactly, besides the militia having no regulations?

You said "dealt with by the people if need be". I didn't know that you meant lynch mobs...

[QUOTE="optiow"][QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

What's the difference between a militia and the police, exactly, besides the militia having no regulations?

ROFLCOPTER603

You said "dealt with by the people if need be". I didn't know that you meant lynch mobs...

Remember the last time you tried to hang out at your favorite local meet? Nowdays you try to do that, and it is broken up by riot police, or at least 5 or 6 squad cars. A Militant Police State in action. Big F***er is watching you. Yet a further example of the polarization of Society...

Remember the last time you tried to hang out at your favorite local meet? Nowdays you try to do that, and it is broken up by riot police, or at least 5 or 6 squad cars. A Militant Police State in action. Big F***er is watching you. Yet a further example of the polarization of Society...

Arsephixiation

Um what? Sorry, I've never had that problem.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="optiow"] Who said anything about a militia :o A militia are civilians who are temporarily armed in order to deal with an immediate threat, while the police are a permanent institution armed to keep the people in line with 'the law'. Yes, the people may arm themselves to catch a criminal, but it would be temporary. It is when you make some people permanently armed that the oppression starts, because authority corrupts even the best men. optiow

You said "dealt with by the people if need be". I didn't know that you meant lynch mobs...

Wait, so let me get this straight. You want an organized (not a sporadic mob) group of volunteers who are armed tocapturecriminals.

That sounds like the police, who are organized, volunteers (they are paid, but no one forced them into the job), armed, and unlesskilling is absolutely necessary theycapture the criminals, who will then be send to prison or jail in most states.

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

Remember the last time you tried to hang out at your favorite local meet? Nowdays you try to do that, and it is broken up by riot police, or at least 5 or 6 squad cars. A Militant Police State in action. Big F***er is watching you. Yet a further example of the polarization of Society...

turtlethetaffer

Um what? Sorry, I've never had that problem.

Lucky you.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

Remember the last time you tried to hang out at your favorite local meet? Nowdays you try to do that, and it is broken up by riot police, or at least 5 or 6 squad cars. A Militant Police State in action. Big F***er is watching you. Yet a further example of the polarization of Society...

Arsephixiation

Um what? Sorry, I've never had that problem.

Lucky you.

Do you really have that problem where you live?

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Um what? Sorry, I've never had that problem.

turtlethetaffer

Lucky you.

Do you really have that problem where you live?

Yes, I have witnessed it on many occasion.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

Lucky you.

Arsephixiation

Do you really have that problem where you live?

Yes, I have witnessed it on many occasion.

Like with the multiple squad cars and everything? That seems a bit exagerrated depending on where you live.

[QUOTE="optiow"][QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

You said "dealt with by the people if need be". I didn't know that you meant lynch mobs...

ROFLCOPTER603

Wait, so let me get this straight. You want an organized (not a sporadic mob) group of volunteers who are armed tocapturecriminals.

That sounds like the police, who are organized, volunteers (they are paid, but no one forced them into the job), armed, and unlesskilling is absolutely necessary theycapture the criminals, who will then be send to prison or jail in most states.

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Um what? Sorry, I've never had that problem.

turtlethetaffer

Lucky you.

Do you really have that problem where you live?

I know I do. I've had a cop come up to me multiple times simply because I and some friends were hanging out together in public. In private, an "assembly of more than 5" is an unlawful gathering and can result in a 500 dollar fine, or eviction from the property (if the landlord is a jerk).

Cops are OK in big cities, lord knows the cops in Oakland actually deserve their salary and have bigger fish to fry than to harass some people simply hanging out on a hot Sunday afternoon. But in small towns, where cops are paid the same as the cops in Oakland, they simply are not necessary.

I don't object to cops outright, but it is pretty rediculous that so many are armed and that firepower is a big concern to them. If they want a rifle in the car, fine, I suppose that is ok for the off-chance some guy with a gun robs a bank. But as far as everyday business is concerned a cop should not have a gun on his or her person.

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Do you really have that problem where you live?

turtlethetaffer

Yes, I have witnessed it on many occasion.

Like with the multiple squad cars and everything? That seems a bit exagerrated depending on where you live.

It all depends on the workload the local "force" has to deal with, I am sure. Also the size of the "force".

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

Lucky you.

mrbojangles25

Do you really have that problem where you live?

I know I do. I've had a cop come up to me multiple times simply because I and some friends were hanging out together in public. In private, an "assembly of more than 5" is an unlawful gathering and can result in a 500 dollar fine, or eviction from the property (if the landlord is a jerk).

Cops are OK in big cities, lord knows the cops in Oakland actually deserve their salary and have bigger fish to fry than to harass some people simply hanging out on a hot Sunday afternoon. But in small towns, where cops are paid the same as the cops in Oakland, they simply are not necessary.

I don't object to cops outright, but it is pretty rediculous that so many are armed and that firepower is a big concern to them. If they want a rifle in the car, fine, I suppose that is ok for the off-chance some guy with a gun robs a bank. But as far as everyday business is concerned a cop should not have a gun on his or her person.

I disagree. A cop should have a gun, for the reason you mentioned, generally speaking. What if they are driving by and a shooting occurs? They need that gun. Sure, it's not likley but it would be better for them to have a gun in a situation that called for it.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="optiow"]

The police are the governments way of controlling people. That is why most police forces have weapons. They are cocercive bullies that are there to protect the laws of the rich against the poor. That's why they donate so many resources to protecting upper c1ass suburbs from the poor people, but then don't help when the black single mother in Harlem has a kid that has gone missing.

They are just bullies that want to keep the status-quo of oppressed and opressors.

optiow

if the police don't enforce the laws then who will?

You have freedom to do as you please, as long as you don't harm others. You also have propety rights. Your body is your property. I would say someone shooting you in the face is a violation of those rights...and that's why we have police...someone has to enforce the laws in order for us to have Rule of Law. If you don't understand what the Rule of Law is or why it's important, maybe you should read up a little on human history.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="optiow"] You must be kidding:lol: I believe in rehabilitation for criminals. I don't believe in the death penalty or lynch mobs. I think you have me confused with the KKK...optiow

Wait, so let me get this straight. You want an organized (not a sporadic mob) group of volunteers who are armed tocapturecriminals.

That sounds like the police, who are organized, volunteers (they are paid, but no one forced them into the job), armed, and unlesskilling is absolutely necessary theycapture the criminals, who will then be send to prison or jail in most states.

You actually think this is possible? It's not. That's why vigilantism is illegal. Because the people out there who want to solve crime their own way are going to go about it the wrong way. Not to mention these encounters are never going to be non-violent. The last line (bolded)is pretty much my point. These vigilantes you propose would do far worse things than the police. The police are regulated. Some horrible people manage to make it in, but most officers deserve their positions. A mob of elected crime fighters is going to have no regulation. They're going to lynch whoever they please. In your perfect world, the criminals go to rehabilitation, in real life they'd be hung from trees.

This is kind of an off point, but these people you are talking about are armed. They aren't catching rapists or murderes with words...

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]we don't need police to be good people, but we need police to arrest the bad people.optiow

Laws which prohibit them from doing whatever they want...which are enforced by other cops...

As times change so do the policies of enforcement. It's more of a thing of shock & awe than anything else. Betterto have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. Everything the police get from the military is the surplusthe military doesn't want. So whatever it costed doesn't matter because if thecovernment doesn't give itto someone it will just be burried in storage until it's thrown out.

many departments still have M16A1's and the old CAR-15's because the military replaced all of those with A2's, A4's and M4's. Most are refitted with a semi auto trigeer group. high powered machine guns are more dangerous that useful. The MP5's penetration and rangeare so limited it's a better machine gunpolice applications.

As for police terrorizing... well... you don't know why those people get beaten. They always act like aninnocent victim.Sometimes they don't understand the police aren't gonna chase them everywhere. So they try to get their message across the old fashioned way.. with their fists. Just like the throw away gun deal. eventually they would just shoot the jerk and throw the unregistered untraceable gun down. Hence the term throw down.

Crime continues to escalate, nobody respects the authorities nor the neighborhoods. Laws are written so scumbags can do whatever they want, attack whoever they wantand get away with it. Technology has given every brain dead idiot the ability to terrorize so now enforcement has to deal with terrorists and their dumb-ass citizens that think a state of anarchy is cool until someone robs them.

And the country is full of people that believe a mugger shot by his prey is the victim. Orsome trasspassers are shot during B & E so they are the victim. If someone is doing something they're not supposed to be doingand isshot, stabbed or injured in some other way. That's too bad, they are not a victim of anything other than their own stupidity. It's not right to just completely disregard the one who was preyed upon. They should have the right to defend their self. How they choose torespond to the assaultis their business. The prey is the victim, not the stalker.

The bottom line is, long gone is the feeling of the Police as there to "protect and serve". Now days they take on a more militant presence. They are further distancing themselves from the average citizen.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Do you really have that problem where you live?

turtlethetaffer

I know I do. I've had a cop come up to me multiple times simply because I and some friends were hanging out together in public. In private, an "assembly of more than 5" is an unlawful gathering and can result in a 500 dollar fine, or eviction from the property (if the landlord is a jerk).

Cops are OK in big cities, lord knows the cops in Oakland actually deserve their salary and have bigger fish to fry than to harass some people simply hanging out on a hot Sunday afternoon. But in small towns, where cops are paid the same as the cops in Oakland, they simply are not necessary.

I don't object to cops outright, but it is pretty rediculous that so many are armed and that firepower is a big concern to them. If they want a rifle in the car, fine, I suppose that is ok for the off-chance some guy with a gun robs a bank. But as far as everyday business is concerned a cop should not have a gun on his or her person.

I disagree. A cop should have a gun, for the reason you mentioned, generally speaking. What if they are driving by and a shooting occurs? They need that gun. Sure, it's not likley but it would be better for them to have a gun in a situation that called for it.

asI said, I feel a gun in the car is acceptable, but a gun on their hip is not. A person with that kind of power should not be able to simply move his hand and kill someone

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="optiow"] You must be kidding:lol: I believe in rehabilitation for criminals. I don't believe in the death penalty or lynch mobs. I think you have me confused with the KKK...optiow

Wait, so let me get this straight. You want an organized (not a sporadic mob) group of volunteers who are armed tocapturecriminals.

That sounds like the police, who are organized, volunteers (they are paid, but no one forced them into the job), armed, and unlesskilling is absolutely necessary theycapture the criminals, who will then be send to prison or jail in most states.

How are you going to decide if someone's a criminal? Is a mob if angry people going to decide? Yeah, mob-rule is awesome. They always KNOW if they suspected criminal is guilty or not. Those women who were burned for being witches deserved it, right?

They're going to lynch whoever they please. In your perfect world, the criminals go to rehabilitation, in real life they'd be hung from trees...ROFLCOPTER603

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I know I do. I've had a cop come up to me multiple times simply because I and some friends were hanging out together in public. In private, an "assembly of more than 5" is an unlawful gathering and can result in a 500 dollar fine, or eviction from the property (if the landlord is a jerk).

Cops are OK in big cities, lord knows the cops in Oakland actually deserve their salary and have bigger fish to fry than to harass some people simply hanging out on a hot Sunday afternoon. But in small towns, where cops are paid the same as the cops in Oakland, they simply are not necessary.

I don't object to cops outright, but it is pretty rediculous that so many are armed and that firepower is a big concern to them. If they want a rifle in the car, fine, I suppose that is ok for the off-chance some guy with a gun robs a bank. But as far as everyday business is concerned a cop should not have a gun on his or her person.

mrbojangles25

I disagree. A cop should have a gun, for the reason you mentioned, generally speaking. What if they are driving by and a shooting occurs? They need that gun. Sure, it's not likley but it would be better for them to have a gun in a situation that called for it.

asI said, I feel a gun in the car is acceptable, but a gun on their hip is not. A person with that kind of power should not be able to simply move his hand and kill someone

So, a cop walks into a store, and then a robber walks in, taking everyone hostage. The cop could do something if they had a gun, but, unfortunatley, the only one they have is in the car.

(I'm not meaning to sound like a jerk or condescending, just making a point.) This is why I think cops should be able to have guns on their hips.

The bottom line is, long gone is the feeling of the Police as there to "protect and serve". Now days they take on a more militant presence. They are further distancing themselves from the average citizen.

Arsephixiation

exactly.

when I was a kid, a cop seemed more like a part of the community, someone you could approach and talk to like anyone else.

Now...I dont know if I would ever approach a cop for anything.

Maybe it has somethign to do with me being the age of going to prison vs the age of being a naive kid, but still, when I see a cop, I get scared, not comforted.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]They're going to lynch whoever they please. In your perfect world, the criminals go to rehabilitation, in real life they'd be hung from trees...optiow

Anarchy is impossible. Whoever has the most power of force will utlimatley fill the role of authority.

You want something close to anarchy? Look at Somalia or the Old West in the U.S. They're was usually no law enforcement there or not adequate enough, so armed gangs bascially ruled the area. Property rights were non-existent and people violence occured often If I had something someone else could say it is not theirs just because they had better weapons than me or more people. Yeah...so how are those people "free" exactly?

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]They're going to lynch whoever they please. In your perfect world, the criminals go to rehabilitation, in real life they'd be hung from trees...optiow

During Manifest Destiny, the small Western towns had no government regulation. Technically they were democratic and part of the U.S., but realistically they were sovereign and anarchy. Many people were lynched- look up the history of Las Vegas, it's brutal. I forgot what they're called but there are these windmill things that were made with the intent to be windmills (obviously) but also with the ability to be a nice spot to hang someone.

Somalia and other African countries are also good examples, but less specific.

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

The bottom line is, long gone is the feeling of the Police as there to "protect and serve". Now days they take on a more militant presence. They are further distancing themselves from the average citizen.

mrbojangles25

exactly.

when I was a kid, a cop seemed more like a part of the community, someone you could approach and talk to like anyone else.

Now...I dont know if I would ever approach a cop for anything.

Maybe it has somethign to do with me being the age of going to prison vs the age of being a naive kid, but still, when I see a cop, I get scared, not comforted.

It is not you (or me), it is the way that things are going. The alienation of draconian institutionalized law enforcement. The militarization of law enforcement.

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

The bottom line is, long gone is the feeling of the Police as there to "protect and serve". Now days they take on a more militant presence. They are further distancing themselves from the average citizen.

mrbojangles25

exactly.

when I was a kid, a cop seemed more like a part of the community, someone you could approach and talk to like anyone else.

Now...I dont know if I would ever approach a cop for anything.

Maybe it has somethign to do with me being the age of going to prison vs the age of being a naive kid, but still, when I see a cop, I get scared, not comforted.

If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't have to worry...

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

The bottom line is, long gone is the feeling of the Police as there to "protect and serve". Now days they take on a more militant presence. They are further distancing themselves from the average citizen.

ROFLCOPTER603

exactly.

when I was a kid, a cop seemed more like a part of the community, someone you could approach and talk to like anyone else.

Now...I dont know if I would ever approach a cop for anything.

Maybe it has somethign to do with me being the age of going to prison vs the age of being a naive kid, but still, when I see a cop, I get scared, not comforted.

If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't have to worry...

...anything wrong by who's/what standards?

You know why?

I straight up don't get these Alex Jones threads.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

exactly.

when I was a kid, a cop seemed more like a part of the community, someone you could approach and talk to like anyone else.

Now...I dont know if I would ever approach a cop for anything.

Maybe it has somethign to do with me being the age of going to prison vs the age of being a naive kid, but still, when I see a cop, I get scared, not comforted.

Arsephixiation

If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't have to worry...

...anything wrong by who's/what standards?

Society's. Laws are voted into effect, you know.

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

The bottom line is, long gone is the feeling of the Police as there to "protect and serve". Now days they take on a more militant presence. They are further distancing themselves from the average citizen.

mrbojangles25

exactly.

when I was a kid, a cop seemed more like a part of the community, someone you could approach and talk to like anyone else.

Now...I dont know if I would ever approach a cop for anything.

Maybe it has somethign to do with me being the age of going to prison vs the age of being a naive kid, but still, when I see a cop, I get scared, not comforted.

Personally I believe that veteran police should have miltiary grade weapons like AK-47s, M14s, RPGs, or grenade launchers. It would keep bad people in check.Capitan_Kid

That's a bit far... Not to mention completely useless because of collateral damage.

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't have to worry...

ROFLCOPTER603

...anything wrong by who's/what standards?

Society's. Laws are voted into effect, you know.

Of course. Silly me for questioning the LAW. (snarf)

During Manifest Destiny, the small Western towns had no government regulation. Technically they were democratic and part of the U.S., but realistically they were sovereign and anarchy. Many people were lynched- look up the history of Las Vegas, it's brutal. I forgot what they're called but there are these windmill things that were made with the intent to be windmills (obviously) but also with the ability to be a nice spot to hang someone.Somalia and other African countries are also good examples, but less specific.ROFLCOPTER603

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

...anything wrong by who's/what standards?

Arsephixiation

Society's. Laws are voted into effect, you know.

Of course. Silly me for questioning the LAW. (snarf)

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

...anything wrong by who's/what standards?

Arsephixiation

Society's. Laws are voted into effect, you know.

Of course. Silly me for questioning the LAW. (snarf)

That's very funny. If you're so distrustful, why not get involved in politics and craft the laws yourself?

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]During Manifest Destiny, the small Western towns had no government regulation. Technically they were democratic and part of the U.S., but realistically they were sovereign and anarchy. Many people were lynched- look up the history of Las Vegas, it's brutal. I forgot what they're called but there are these windmill things that were made with the intent to be windmills (obviously) but also with the ability to be a nice spot to hang someone.Somalia and other African countries are also good examples, but less specific.optiow

This is just my hypothesis, but I think anarchy would be terrifying.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]During Manifest Destiny, the small Western towns had no government regulation. Technically they were democratic and part of the U.S., but realistically they were sovereign and anarchy. Many people were lynched- look up the history of Las Vegas, it's brutal. I forgot what they're called but there are these windmill things that were made with the intent to be windmills (obviously) but also with the ability to be a nice spot to hang someone.Somalia and other African countries are also good examples, but less specific.optiow

Google and common sense tell me that there is no anarchy.

But for the sake of a debate I was picking the closest things to it. I even said that those examples were not technically anarchist, but for all intents and purposes were.