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#51 Solid_Snake325
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[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]I would save the 15 and pray that the woman would get out the way in time. :)domatron23
How heartlessly utilitarian of you. Doesn't one of the commandments say something about killing?

What would you do Aristotle?
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#52 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]I would save the 15 and pray that the woman would get out the way in time. :)Solid_Snake325
How heartlessly utilitarian of you. Doesn't one of the commandments say something about killing?

What would you do Aristotle?

Its Socrates (in his avatar)... >_>

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#53 XD4NTESINF3RNOX
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15 people>>1 person easy i'd save the 15 and then be the hero but i would still feel bad about the one person lol
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#54 Solid_Snake325
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[QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"][QUOTE="domatron23"] How heartlessly utilitarian of you. Doesn't one of the commandments say something about killing?Teenaged

What would you do Aristotle?

Its Socrates (in his avatar)... >_>

Lol I wasn't assuming that his avatar was Aristotle. I called him that because to me he was acting like a smartass.
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#55 bobaban
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I'd just walk away.........

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#56 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"] What would you do Aristotle?Solid_Snake325

Its Socrates (in his avatar)... >_>

Lol I wasn't assuming that his avatar was Aristotle. I called him that because to me he was acting like a smartass.

He was actually pointing out something in regards to Lansdowne's beliefs.

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#57 Solid_Snake325
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Its Socrates (in his avatar)... >_>

Lol I wasn't assuming that his avatar was Aristotle. I called him that because to me he was acting like a smartass.

He was actually pointing out something in regards to Lansdowne's beliefs.

Do you seriously want to have an argument over what he said? I repeat: to me, he was acting like a smartass. I don't care what he believed he was saying.
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#58 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"] Lol I wasn't assuming that his avatar was Aristotle. I called him that because to me he was acting like a smartass.Solid_Snake325

He was actually pointing out something in regards to Lansdowne's beliefs.

Do you seriously want to have an argument over what he said? I repeat: to me, he was acting like a smartass. I don't care what he believed he was saying.

I am not having an argument. :? I am just telling you what he said.

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#59 xobballox
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This one reminds me of that scene in Spiderman 2 where Spiderman stopped the elevated train from crashing on the terminal point of the rails.

So, I would call Spiderman. :P

Now the serious answer is that I would pull the lever, while at the same time shouting at the woman to get out of the tracks. :)

That way I will know that I have done my best to avoid both "hits".

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Reminds me of the scene in Spiderman 1 where Green goblin lets go of the air-tram thingy and drops Mary Jane, then he saves them all like a professional.
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#60 xobballox
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I'd just walk away.........

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This, I couldn't deal with the fact that I just killed a person on purpose, if the 15 die then it wasn't your fault, but if the lady dies it technically is your fault even though you saved 15 people. The lady's family would probably also sue you for all you're worth.
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#61 AnObscureName
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I'd probably pull the lever out of instinct. You wouldn't have time to think about it.
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#62 Avistann
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Save the fifteen people, that lady should not be on the tracks lollygagging or whatever.
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#63 Darth-Caedus
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Not a moral dilemma at all O_o 15 lives>1 life:|
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#64 blakout3
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Not a moral dilemma at all O_o 15 lives>1 life:| Darth-Caedus

Well it is, because you are the one killing the lady, where as you can leave it and try and forget about it letting 15 peeps die.

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#65 SaintLeonidas
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Either way your responsible for someones death. You pull the lever your responsible for the death of the one, if you dont then your allowing fifteen people to die and its your fault because you didnt pull the lever. Id rather be responsible for the death of one, then failing to save fifteen.

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#66 Enchanting_Tim
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For a way to save all of them, throw your corpse on the tracks and hope your dead body will slow down the tram enough. After all, if you are talking numbers, 16>1.

Whatever you decide, all this proves is you shouldn't have a potentially bloody roller coaster as public transportation.

One little thing I would like to say is this, and I hate myself for quoting Stalin, but: "The death of a million is a statistic, the death of one is a tragedy."

Oooh, I know a way to make this more interesting. Instead of a being a random stranger in the tram's path, what would you do if it was a loved one?

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#67 zombiefruit
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Some idiot walking on the tracks? I'd re-direct the train at her even if it was empty.
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#68 SamusFreak
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[QUOTE="-Hells_Gate-"]let the 15 ppl die, the world needs population reduction, and other that intentional accidents, I don't see any other way, unless they legalize random killing spree.Famiking
The world does not need population reduction, it only needs to slow down growth.

actually has quality of life is improving in various parts of the world with high populations the over all population will have to go down. the earth can only support 2-3 billion people with a western standard of living.

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#69 cukoo
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This one is like the scene in Spider-Man where the Green Goblin lets the girl go and he lets go of the cable car. Is Spider-Man going to save the girl or the people in the cable car? He ends up saving the girl and the people in the cable car so there's your answer.

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#70 domatron23
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[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]I would save the 15 and pray that the woman would get out the way in time. :)Solid_Snake325
How heartlessly utilitarian of you. Doesn't one of the commandments say something about killing?

What would you do Aristotle?

I'd do what solid snake would do. Nah its really a lose-lose kind of scenario, I don't really think there's a right answer. Oh and apologies for the smartassery.
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#71 killer336
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This one is like the scene in Spider-Man where the Green Goblin lets the girl go and he lets go of the cable car. Is Spider-Man going to save the girl or the people in the cable car? He ends up saving the girl and the people in the cable car so there's your answer.

cukoo
We are not superheroes so it's not that that simple....besides that was a movie As for me i would save the fifteen and throw a rock at the lady to get her off the tracks
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#72 Famiking
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[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="-Hells_Gate-"]let the 15 ppl die, the world needs population reduction, and other that intentional accidents, I don't see any other way, unless they legalize random killing spree.SamusFreak

The world does not need population reduction, it only needs to slow down growth.

actually has quality of life is improving in various parts of the world with high populations the over all population will have to go down. the earth can only support 2-3 billion people with a western standard of living.

What makes you think that? Any economy can flourish if they do it right. Look at China and India. And look at what already happened to South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore.
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#73 Dark-Sithious
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[QUOTE="SamusFreak"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] The world does not need population reduction, it only needs to slow down growth.Famiking

actually has quality of life is improving in various parts of the world with high populations the over all population will have to go down. the earth can only support 2-3 billion people with a western standard of living.

What makes you think that? Any economy can flourish if they do it right. Look at China and India. And look at what already happened to South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore.

Right, but no matter how good the economy is, you can't make up for the lack of natural resources.

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#74 Bourbons3
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I'd have to ask the 15 people, and the woman, to fill out detailed questionnaires to determine which of their lives are more worth saving.
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#75 Famiking
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Right, but no matter how good the economy is, you can't make up for the lack of natural resources.

Dark-Sithious

You can develop technology that makes us rely on said natural resources less or produces more of the natural resources.

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#76 This_Is_Not
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I'd save the 15 people. The woman standing on the tracks is there to commit suicide anyway, why else would she be standing on a track waiting for a train to hit her?

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#77 njean777
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call Chuck Norris he will know what to do.

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#78 elfimis
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[QUOTE="elfimis"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Pull the lever, obviously. 1 death isn't as bad as 15.Funky_Llama

Would you feel the same way if the 15 people happened to be a group of ex-cons, maybe some murderes on there, couple petophiles, who knows....you dont know any of the people so your decision could reach farther than you expected. What if a a few of the 15 that live later go out and blow up a building or murderer someone. How can you decide.....?

In that case, how do you know the woman isn't a murderous psychopath?

Exactly, you dont know. Thats what im trying to say.

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#79 MgamerBD
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Lets see *does math* 15 people...1 person... *thinks about it,writes formula on the broad, finds the cure for Aids* last time I checked 15>1
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#80 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="elfimis"]

Would you feel the same way if the 15 people happened to be a group of ex-cons, maybe some murderes on there, couple petophiles, who knows....you dont know any of the people so your decision could reach farther than you expected. What if a a few of the 15 that live later go out and blow up a building or murderer someone. How can you decide.....?

elfimis

In that case, how do you know the woman isn't a murderous psychopath?

Exactly, you dont know. Thats what im trying to say.

Well, I think it's a reasonable assumption to make that at least one person out of a group of 15 won't be a paedophile or murderer or whatever. >_>