More overpaid: Pro Atheletes or Rappers??? (POLL)

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#1 yucky_straw
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POLL?
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#2 F-14Bombcat
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I think pro athletes get paid a ridiculous amount of money. But at the same time, alot are underpaid. Roger Clemmings last year earned 22million in 22 games. That results in $10,000 a pitch! I do not know about rappers, seeing as though I hate rap with a passion, so I do not know how much they get paid. Country all the way :D!!!
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#3 Donkey_Puncher
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Why just rappers? Why not other musicians, they both make millions off of their albums.

Oh, and Athlete's are the over paid one's.

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#4 L_burna
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athletes and certain rappers

if people make nice music, I can live with them have 100000$ chains

if they make crap music and still get paid lots of money for it, that's another story

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Why just rappers? Why not other musicians, they both make millions off of their albums.

Oh, and Athlete's are the over paid one's.

Donkey_Puncher

Most rock musicians have to tour and do shows to make money. Only the really famous bands make money off of CD sales.

Hip-Hop outsells any other genre so a lot of mediocre rappers are making tons of money. Plus it's hip hop culture to show off jewelry, cars, and a lifestyle that only millions can afford.

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#6 Donkey_Puncher
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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

Why just rappers? Why not other musicians, they both make millions off of their albums.

Oh, and Athlete's are the over paid one's.

yucky_straw

Most rock musicians have to tour and do shows to make money. Only the really famous bands make money off of CD sales.

Hip-Hop outsells any other genre so a lot of mediocre rappers are making tons of money. Plus it's hip hop culture to show off jewelry, cars, and a lifestyle that only millions can afford.

So Nickel Back and Linkin Park deserve their money for that crap they put out?

Rappers tour as well. Anything else?

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#7 F-14Bombcat
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[QUOTE="yucky_straw"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

Why just rappers? Why not other musicians, they both make millions off of their albums.

Oh, and Athlete's are the over paid one's.

Donkey_Puncher

Most rock musicians have to tour and do shows to make money. Only the really famous bands make money off of CD sales.

Hip-Hop outsells any other genre so a lot of mediocre rappers are making tons of money. Plus it's hip hop culture to show off jewelry, cars, and a lifestyle that only millions can afford.

So Nickel Back and Linkin Park deserve their money for that crap they put out?

Rappers tour as well. Anything else?

Why did you have too pick my 2 favorite bands :(? Linkin Park's new Cd is awesome, and NickelBack has made many hit songs that have a lot of meaning.

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#8 Donkey_Puncher
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Why did you have too pick my 2 favorite bands :(? Linkin Park's new Cd is awesome, and NickelBack has made many hit songs that have a lot of meaning.

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I'm so sorry....

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#9 _Charlie_
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There should be a both in your poll. It's pathetic how they earn more than people that save lives
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Teachers by far.
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#11 bradleybhoy
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There's only an elite few rappers that actually make it in the long term: Diddy, 50 Cent, Jay-Z. Most of these one hit wonder rappers are disposable, they get a fat cheque, blow it in a couple of months and are dropped by the label.
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#12 videogamer456
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Teachers by far.Foolz3h
Agreed. They do nothing for society and get paid way too much for it.

Btw, I agree with your sarcastic remark. Teachers are grossly underpaid.

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#13 videogamer456
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There's only an elite few rappers that actually make it in the long term: Diddy, 50 Cent, Jay-Z. Most of these one hit wonder rappers are disposable, they get a fat cheque, blow it in a couple of months and are dropped by the label.bradleybhoy
Isn't Jay-Z head of Def-Jam? He is actually a smart business man and deserves the wealth he has. He is also co-owner of the Nets. 50 Cent I will never understand how he got so popular.
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#14 sellia
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Alot of the Olympic athletes have to work a second job
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#15 yucky_straw
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[QUOTE="yucky_straw"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

Why just rappers? Why not other musicians, they both make millions off of their albums.

Oh, and Athlete's are the over paid one's.

Donkey_Puncher

Most rock musicians have to tour and do shows to make money. Only the really famous bands make money off of CD sales.

Hip-Hop outsells any other genre so a lot of mediocre rappers are making tons of money. Plus it's hip hop culture to show off jewelry, cars, and a lifestyle that only millions can afford.

So Nickel Back and Linkin Park deserve their money for that crap they put out?

Rappers tour as well. Anything else?

Yeah. I got a lot more for you. Most rappers don't tour. How do I know? I am one. Why don't most rappers tour? Simple. Most people who listen to rap, aren't into concerts. Or can't afford the ammission. (Ticketmaster is a ripoff).

Sure Nickel Back must die from sucking so hard, but at least they're constantly on the road(at least were at some point in their career) and working and sweating for their millions.

A garbage rapper can throw some super weak flows on a Kanye beat and have a club hit. Boom. The money starts coming in and no tour is needed.

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Both.
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Yeah. I got a lot more for you. Most rappers don't tour. How do I know? I am one. Why don't most rappers tour? Simple. Most people who listen to rap, aren't into concerts. Or can't afford the ammission. (Ticketmaster is a ripoff).

Sure Nickel Back must die from sucking so hard, but at least they're constantly on the road(at least were at some point in their career) and working and sweating for their millions.

A garbage rapper can throw some super weak flows on a Kanye beat and have a club hit. Boom. The money starts coming in and no tour is needed.

yucky_straw

Yeah, I believe you. You're a touring rapper. :|

You want to know how I know Rappers tour? I sawtwo concerts with in the month, both were rap concerts, both packed. Misconceptions across the board.

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Athlestes.....they are guaranteed their money whether they perform well or not.

Musicians of any genre have to sell tickets to make the money....so even if you don't agree that they deserve it....it's a free market society.

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#19 yucky_straw
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[QUOTE="yucky_straw"]

Yeah. I got a lot more for you. Most rappers don't tour. How do I know? I am one. Why don't most rappers tour? Simple. Most people who listen to rap, aren't into concerts. Or can't afford the ammission. (Ticketmaster is a ripoff).

Sure Nickel Back must die from sucking so hard, but at least they're constantly on the road(at least were at some point in their career) and working and sweating for their millions.

A garbage rapper can throw some super weak flows on a Kanye beat and have a club hit. Boom. The money starts coming in and no tour is needed.

Donkey_Puncher

Yeah, I believe you. You're a touring rapper. :|

You want to know how I know Rappers tour? I sawtwo concerts with in the month, both were rap concerts, both packed. Misconceptions across the board.

No I don't tour. Check out my website. Buy a CD too. I'll give you discount. Grab a Tshirt while your at it.

What rappers did u see live? And who were the opening acts? Was this a festival or club show?

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#20 ArmoredAshes
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if they are actually good they deserve it...but not all of them are good, both rappers and athletes
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#21 Oleg_Huzwog
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Neither. Both produce a product that the public willingly pays for.
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Athlestes.....they are guaranteed their money whether they perform well or not.

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What I hate most about player contracts is that they are overpaid on their potential. These rookies today can walk all over the owners and demand more money just because they were drafted high. It's just like the JaMarcus Russel case for the Raiders. He's the #1 pick in this year's draft and held out the entire preseason and got his huge money deal. Now he's sitting on the bench making assloads more money than he should. I'm pretty sure that angers a lot of football watchers.

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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="yucky_straw"]

Yeah. I got a lot more for you. Most rappers don't tour. How do I know? I am one. Why don't most rappers tour? Simple. Most people who listen to rap, aren't into concerts. Or can't afford the ammission. (Ticketmaster is a ripoff).

Sure Nickel Back must die from sucking so hard, but at least they're constantly on the road(at least were at some point in their career) and working and sweating for their millions.

A garbage rapper can throw some super weak flows on a Kanye beat and have a club hit. Boom. The money starts coming in and no tour is needed.

yucky_straw

Yeah, I believe you. You're a touring rapper. :|

You want to know how I know Rappers tour? I sawtwo concerts with in the month, both were rap concerts, both packed. Misconceptions across the board.

No I don't tour. Check out my website. Buy a CD too. I'll give you discount. Grab a Tshirt while your at it.

What rappers did u see live? And who were the opening acts? Was this a festival or club show?

I saw Living Legends, Aesop Rock, Brother Ali, Atmosphere, and felt at a live venue in Minneapolis. I was one of thousands there. Rappers DO tour, albeit not as much as some other **** Jay Z used to tour, hell even T.I. did concerts, however bad he may be.

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What I hate most about player contracts is that they are overpaid on their potential. These rookies today can walk all over the owners and demand more money just because they were drafted high. It's just like the JaMarcus Russel case for the Raiders. He's the #1 pick in this year's draft and held out the entire preseason and got his huge money deal. Now he's sitting on the bench making assloads more money than he should. I'm pretty sure that angers a lot of football watchers.

Ranger_x8b

He got exactly what he deserved: the most money amongst all draft picks. If the Raiders didn't think he was worth that much, why in the world would they make him the first pick?

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#25 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Ranger_x8b"]

What I hate most about player contracts is that they are overpaid on their potential. These rookies today can walk all over the owners and demand more money just because they were drafted high. It's just like the JaMarcus Russel case for the Raiders. He's the #1 pick in this year's draft and held out the entire preseason and got his huge money deal. Now he's sitting on the bench making assloads more money than he should. I'm pretty sure that angers a lot of football watchers.

Oleg_Huzwog

He got exactly what he deserved: the most money amongst all draft picks. If the Raiders didn't think he was worth that much, why in the world would they make him the first pick?

He didn't deserve that....how did he do anything to deserve that? He has not performed for them...and someone has to go first.

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#26 LJS9502_basic
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Neither. Both produce a product that the public willingly pays for.Oleg_Huzwog

That doesn't mean they aren't overpaid.

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#27 Oleg_Huzwog
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He got exactly what he deserved: the most money amongst all draft picks. If the Raiders didn't think he was worth that much, why in the world would they make him the first pick?

LJS9502_basic

He didn't deserve that....how did he do anything to deserve that? He has not performed for them...and someone has to go first.

Right. Someone has to go first. And that someone is the person that was identified by the team's extensive research and scouting as the person most likely to develop into a player capable of leading the team to victory. It's an investment based upon forecasted returns.

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#28 Ranger_x8b
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[QUOTE="Ranger_x8b"]

What I hate most about player contracts is that they are overpaid on their potential. These rookies today can walk all over the owners and demand more money just because they were drafted high. It's just like the JaMarcus Russel case for the Raiders. He's the #1 pick in this year's draft and held out the entire preseason and got his huge money deal. Now he's sitting on the bench making assloads more money than he should. I'm pretty sure that angers a lot of football watchers.

Oleg_Huzwog

He got exactly what he deserved: the most money amongst all draft picks. If the Raiders didn't think he was worth that much, why in the world would they make him the first pick?

Players hold out for one reason only: They are not getting paid enough. He might be great in college, but the NFL is a much different game. I don't care if he's the next coming of Joe Montana, rookies should not be allowed to hold out because they are unhappy with how much they are getting paid. Try this next time you are in a job interview and you get the job. If the employer says you'll make $10/hour, ask for $40/hour. He'll laugh at you and kick you out of his office. The owners should do the same to greedy rookies.

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[QUOTE="yucky_straw"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="yucky_straw"]

Yeah. I got a lot more for you. Most rappers don't tour. How do I know? I am one. Why don't most rappers tour? Simple. Most people who listen to rap, aren't into concerts. Or can't afford the ammission. (Ticketmaster is a ripoff).

Sure Nickel Back must die from sucking so hard, but at least they're constantly on the road(at least were at some point in their career) and working and sweating for their millions.

A garbage rapper can throw some super weak flows on a Kanye beat and have a club hit. Boom. The money starts coming in and no tour is needed.

Donkey_Puncher

Yeah, I believe you. You're a touring rapper. :|

You want to know how I know Rappers tour? I sawtwo concerts with in the month, both were rap concerts, both packed. Misconceptions across the board.

No I don't tour. Check out my website. Buy a CD too. I'll give you discount. Grab a Tshirt while your at it.

What rappers did u see live? And who were the opening acts? Was this a festival or club show?

I saw Living Legends, Aesop Rock, Brother Ali, Atmosphere, and felt at a live venue in Minneapolis. I was one of thousands there. Rappers DO tour, albeit not as much as some other **** Jay Z used to tour, hell even T.I. did concerts, however bad he may be.



Jay-Z even went on a World tour this past year, performing in Kenya, France, Nigeria, Ireland, Greece, Egypt, Turkey, Lebanon, Russia, Poland, Czech Republic, Ghana, Angola, South Africa, China, Thailand, Korea, Taiwan, Japan and Australia.
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Players hold out for one reason only: They are not getting paid enough. He might be great in college, but the NFL is a much different game. I don't care if he's the next coming of Joe Montana, rookies should not be allowed to hold out because they are unhappy with how much they are getting paid. Try this next time you are in a job interview and you get the job. If the employer says you'll make $10/hour, ask for $40/hour. He'll laugh at you and kick you out of his office. The owners should do the same to greedy rookies.

Ranger_x8b

Agreed....Owners need to stop caving in. If they sit out..not only do they start to erode their skills which should bring the price down...but they get nothing. Though McDonald's is usually hiring.

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Right. Someone has to go first. And that someone is the person that was identified by the team's extensive research and scouting as the person most likely to develop into a player capable of leading the team to victory. It's an investment based upon forecasted returns.

Oleg_Huzwog

Forecasts aren't always a sure thing.....some rookies never perform...but they have a guaranteed contract. Fair....I think not.

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Players hold out for one reason only: They are not getting paid enough. He might be great in college, but the NFL is a much different game. I don't care if he's the next coming of Joe Montana, rookies should not be allowed to hold out because they are unhappy with how much they are getting paid. Try this next time you are in a job interview and you get the job. If the employer says you'll make $10/hour, ask for $40/hour. He'll laugh at you and kick you out of his/her office. The owners should do the same to greedy rookies.

Ranger_x8b

Let's redescribe your scenario to match the situation at hand. The employer says I'll make $10/hour, I mention (correctly) that the employer's competitor is willing to pay me $40/hour. I also point out that the employer brought me in because I have a rare skill that the employer has been searching for a looong time. I can guarantee you the employer will NOT laugh at me and show me the door.

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Atleast Athletes have some skill.
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#34 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Ranger_x8b"]

Players hold out for one reason only: They are not getting paid enough. He might be great in college, but the NFL is a much different game. I don't care if he's the next coming of Joe Montana, rookies should not be allowed to hold out because they are unhappy with how much they are getting paid. Try this next time you are in a job interview and you get the job. If the employer says you'll make $10/hour, ask for $40/hour. He'll laugh at you and kick you out of his/her office. The owners should do the same to greedy rookies.

Oleg_Huzwog

Let's redescribe your scenario to match the situation at hand. The employer says I'll make $10/hour, I mention (correctly) that the employer's competitor is willing to pay me $40/hour. I also point out that the employer brought me in because I have a rare skill that the employer has been searching for a looong time. I can guarantee you the employer will NOT laugh at me and show me the door.

Yeah...he'll tell you to hook up with the competitor. He has no investment in you....and can find someone else easily.

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rappers because they don't deserve it
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#36 Oleg_Huzwog
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Right. Someone has to go first. And that someone is the person that was identified by the team's extensive research and scouting as the person most likely to develop into a player capable of leading the team to victory. It's an investment based upon forecasted returns.

LJS9502_basic

Forecasts aren't always a sure thing.....some rookies never perform...but they have a guaranteed contract. Fair....I think not.

No investment is a sure thing. When I purchased my home, I did so believing that its value will appreciate over time. This, of course, is no guarantee. There might be an earthquake, the local economy might hit a snag and drag home prices down, etc. However, I guaged the risks and decided that this was an investment worth making. It's the same with NFL teams and their draft picks. They research the player pool, confer amongst themselves, and carefully (with some risk) invest their finances in a few select players.

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No investment is a sure thing. When I purchased my home, I did so believing that its value will appreciate over time. This, of course, is no guarantee. There might be an earthquake, the local economy might hit a snag and drag home prices down, etc. However, I guaged the risks and decided that this was an investment worth making. It's the same with NFL teams and their draft picks. They research the player pool, confer amongst themselves, and carefully (with some risk) invest their finances in a few select players.

Oleg_Huzwog

Bad analogy. Housing market is not the same thing as pro sports. Do you not understand what overpaid means?

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#38 Ranger_x8b
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Players hold out for one reason only: They are not getting paid enough. He might be great in college, but the NFL is a much different game. I don't care if he's the next coming of Joe Montana, rookies should not be allowed to hold out because they are unhappy with how much they are getting paid. Try this next time you are in a job interview and you get the job. If the employer says you'll make $10/hour, ask for $40/hour. He'll laugh at you and kick you out of his/her office. The owners should do the same to greedy rookies.

Oleg_Huzwog

Let's redescribe your scenario to match the situation at hand. The employer says I'll make $10/hour, I mention (correctly) that the employer's competitor is willing to pay me $40/hour. I also point out that the employer brought me in because I have a rare skill that the employer has been searching for a looong time. I can guarantee you the employer will NOT laugh at me and show me the door.

You haven't proved anything though. You have the potential, but you haven't been proven in a real life situation. This is like showing up for a rocket scientist job with a blank resume. If you peform well, good for you. If you fail miserably, you walk away with undeserved money and the company has lost money on you. This is why teams are in such disarray with talent. Oakland is known as a retiring home because only older players play there for cheap. They've spent all their salary cap paying assloads of money to rookies who busted and now have other teams' trash. I'm not looking out for the player, I'm looking out for the owners because they make the game I love better in the long-run.

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#39 Oleg_Huzwog
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No investment is a sure thing. When I purchased my home, I did so believing that its value will appreciate over time. This, of course, is no guarantee. There might be an earthquake, the local economy might hit a snag and drag home prices down, etc. However, I guaged the risks and decided that this was an investment worth making. It's the same with NFL teams and their draft picks. They research the player pool, confer amongst themselves, and carefully (with some risk) invest their finances in a few select players.

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Bad analogy. Housing market is not the same thing as pro sports. Do you not understand what overpaid means?

How is it a bad analogy? They are investments based upon expected returns. Some investments work out with great success. Some are written off as losses.

Of course I understand what overpaid means. Overpaid means receiving more than a person is worth. It means the skills and marketablity of the athlete/artist can be found elsewhere at a reduced price. If my understanding is incorrect, please enlighten me as to what it really means.

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#40 Oleg_Huzwog
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Let's redescribe your scenario to match the situation at hand. The employer says I'll make $10/hour, I mention (correctly) that the employer's competitor is willing to pay me $40/hour. I also point out that the employer brought me in because I have a rare skill that the employer has been searching for a looong time. I can guarantee you the employer will NOT laugh at me and show me the door.

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You haven't proved anything though. You have the potential, but you haven't been proven in a real life situation. This is like showing up for a rocket scientist job with a blank resume. If you peform well, good for you. If you fail miserably, you walk away with undeserved money and the company has lost money on you. This is why teams are in such disarray with talent. Oakland is known as a retiring home because only older players play there for cheap. They've spent all their salary cap paying assloads of money to rookies who busted and now have other teams' trash. I'm not looking out for the player, I'm looking out for the owners because they make the game I love better in the long-run.

You're right: when I show up to my rocket science job interview, I bring along a resume that lists my education and qualifications. But so does the draft pick! His resume comes in the form of college experience, NFL combine performance, and every other detail the scouts scrutinize. When a team has a history of making poor draft picks, that merely shows the incompetence of their scouts and decision makers.

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#41 LJS9502_basic
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How is it a bad analogy? They are investments based upon expected returns. Some investments work out with great success. Some are written off as losses.

Of course I understand what overpaid means. Overpaid means receiving more than a person is worth. It means the skills and marketablity of the athlete/artist can be found elsewhere at a reduced price. If my understanding is incorrect, please enlighten me as to what it really means.

Oleg_Huzwog

It's a bad analogy for several reasons. One...unless you are a real estate mogul that buys and sells....the investment return is NOT the reason a home is bought. It's bought to provide shelter for an individual/family in a location that is desirable, with a price that is considered reasonable for the budget/neighborhood. It provides what is sought....Period. They may or may not move again and it's not a future return they seek. Basically, it's the now that matters....the neighborhood, school district, location etc.

Athletes on the other hand are unknown. I know I wanted four bedrooms and three baths...that is what I bought. I don't know if the rookie is actually going to perform well this year....next year...or never. His skills were in the minors or in college depending on the sport....and they are not at the pro level...which is different. The competition is better....bigger...and stronger.

There is NO guarantee on the NOW aspect of the athlete...while there is on the house. And FYI...an analogy to natural disasters would be better suited to a career ending injury to the athlete. Not job performance.

Pro sports have all become overpaid...and it's taken it's toll on ticket prices. Revenues have shrunk in some cities and they can't sustain the sports. This is not good for the overall health of sports....but hey...let's escalate the costs until no one can afford the games anymore...and then see what happens. Personally....I'd rather they reigned in the overspending now.

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#42 firebreathing
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Why just rappers? Why not other musicians, they both make millions off of their albums.

Oh, and Athlete's are the over paid one's.

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Why just rappers? Why not other musicians, they both make millions off of their albums.

Oh, and Athlete's are the over paid one's.

Donkey_Puncher

Most rock musicians have to tour and do shows to make money. Only the really famous bands make money off of CD sales.

Hip-Hop outsells any other genre so a lot of mediocre rappers are making tons of money. Plus it's hip hop culture to show off jewelry, cars, and a lifestyle that only millions can afford.

So Nickel Back and Linkin Park deserve their money for that crap they put out?

Rappers tour as well. Anything else?

it takes MUCH more talent to be able to play at the level of the musicians in Primus, sing with the fluidity of Muse's vocalist, or write lyrics like Rage Against the Machone's singer............it takes even more talent to bring 3 other people into the mix of the singer and STIL:L make good songs. Even Mindless Self Indulgence manages to put out decent music despite the fact their guitar and basss parts are rather simplistic. Please don't even think for a minute that just singing to the beat of some machine can be compared to a real band................that is all.

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#43 bigdcstile
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Let's see: Owner who makes a buttload of money off of the backs of the athletes or record companies who rape a particular culture so badly that the passing observationist believes it to be "Bling, Hoes, Money, Cars and drugs."

True, they are overpaid. But, in a sense, the spectators, the fans. They pay their salaries. For every album that an artist putts out ( not just rappers. Don't know why you honed in on that group specifically ) and gets bought by a fan, the company gets paid and so does the artist. For each ticket and piece of merchandise, the owners get paid, so why not the athletes? They're both a part of the entertainment industry. An industry that gets it's money straight from the fans, from the consumers.

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Atheletes are way over paid
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#45 LJS9502_basic
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Let's see: Owner who makes a buttload of money off of the backs of the athletes or record companies who rape a particular culture so badly that the passing observationist believes it to be "Bling, Hoes, Money, Cars and drugs."

True, they are overpaid. But, in a sense, the spectators, the fans. They pay their salaries. For every album that an artist putts out ( not just rappers. Don't know why you honed in on that group specifically ) and gets bought by a fan, the company gets paid and so does the artist. For each ticket and piece of merchandise, the owners get paid, so why not the athletes? They're both a part of the entertainment industry. An industry that gets it's money straight from the fans, from the consumers.

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Owners and record companies are not the subject of this thread...so I'll ignore that. Musicians don't actually make much money on CD's so we'll skip that as well.

The question then comes down to two things....

One...musicians make their money on ticket sales. They have to set the price based on supply and demand so they fluctuate between bands and between tours. They have no guarantee of sales. Some artists can actually take a loss on tour if the attendance isn't high enough.

Two...athletes sign guaranteed contracts that pay them regardless of performance. So having a bad year or two does not affect pay.

I'd say it's the athletes...they don't have to perform currently to secure the money. Musicians do.

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Let's see: Owner who makes a buttload of money off of the backs of the athletes or record companies who rape a particular culture so badly that the passing observationist believes it to be "Bling, Hoes, Money, Cars and drugs."

True, they are overpaid. But, in a sense, the spectators, the fans. They pay their salaries. For every album that an artist putts out ( not just rappers. Don't know why you honed in on that group specifically ) and gets bought by a fan, the company gets paid and so does the artist. For each ticket and piece of merchandise, the owners get paid, so why not the athletes? They're both a part of the entertainment industry. An industry that gets it's money straight from the fans, from the consumers.

LJS9502_basic

Owners and record companies are not the subject of this thread...so I'll ignore that. Musicians don't actually make much money on CD's so we'll skip that as well.

The question then comes down to two things....

One...musicians make their money on ticket sales. They have to set the price based on supply and demand so they fluctuate between bands and between tours. They have no guarantee of sales. Some artists can actually take a loss on tour if the attendance isn't high enough.

Two...athletes sign guaranteed contracts that pay them regardless of performance. So having a bad year or two does not affect pay.

I'd say it's the athletes...they don't have to perform currently to secure the money. Musicians do.

True, though players in the NFL don't have contracts that are guaranteed.

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#47 Loonie
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Athlestes.....they are guaranteed their money whether they perform well or not.

Musicians of any genre have to sell tickets to make the money....so even if you don't agree that they deserve it....it's a free market society.

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Thats weird; you said something I agree with.

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#48 Oleg_Huzwog
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How is it a bad analogy? They are investments based upon expected returns. Some investments work out with great success. Some are written off as losses.

Of course I understand what overpaid means. Overpaid means receiving more than a person is worth. It means the skills and marketablity of the athlete/artist can be found elsewhere at a reduced price. If my understanding is incorrect, please enlighten me as to what it really means.

LJS9502_basic

It's a bad analogy for several reasons. One...unless you are a real estate mogul that buys and sells....the investment return is NOT the reason a home is bought. It's bought to provide shelter for an individual/family in a location that is desirable, with a price that is considered reasonable for the budget/neighborhood. It provides what is sought....Period. They may or may not move again and it's not a future return they seek. Basically, it's the now that matters....the neighborhood, school district, location etc.

Athletes on the other hand are unknown. I know I wanted four bedrooms and three baths...that is what I bought. I don't know if the rookie is actually going to perform well this year....next year...or never. His skills were in the minors or in college depending on the sport....and they are not at the pro level...which is different. The competition is better....bigger...and stronger.

There is NO guarantee on the NOW aspect of the athlete...while there is on the house. And FYI...an analogy to natural disasters would be better suited to a career ending injury to the athlete. Not job performance.

Pro sports have all become overpaid...and it's taken it's toll on ticket prices. Revenues have shrunk in some cities and they can't sustain the sports. This is not good for the overall health of sports....but hey...let's escalate the costs until no one can afford the games anymore...and then see what happens. Personally....I'd rather they reigned in the overspending now.

If a place to live was my sole goal, then I would've continued to rent. I purchased for the added financial benefits. But hey, if you're uncomfortable with the house analogy, I'll gladly replace it with any other investment.

There ARE guarantees on the "now" aspect of athletes. A wide receiver's speed and catching ability is known before the draft, as is a quarterback's throwing ability, a lineman's strength, etc. Certainly, there are some unknowns, the so-called "intangibles" that separate good players from great players, but even those aren't a complete crapshoot. Example:a player who shines in a bowl game is one who likely has greater composure in high pressure situations.

I must also object to your contention that salaries inflate ticket prices. Ticket prices (along with every other source of revenue: merchandise, television contracts, etc.) are established in a manner that maximizes income. If player salaries were reduced, ticket prices would remain the same because the public is willing to pay the current prices. The only result of reduced salaries would be increased profits for ownership.

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I would say athletes.
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#50 LJS9502_basic
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If a place to live was my sole goal, then I would've continued to rent. I purchased for the added financial benefits. But hey, if you're uncomfortable with the house analogy, I'll gladly replace it with any other investment.

There ARE guarantees on the "now" aspect of athletes. A wide receiver's speed and catching ability is known before the draft, as is a quarterback's throwing ability, a lineman's strength, etc. Certainly, there are some unknowns, the so-called "intangibles" that separate good players from great players, but even those aren't a complete crapshoot. Example:a player who shines in a bowl game is one who likely has greater composure in high pressure situations.

I must also object to your contention that salaries inflate ticket prices. Ticket prices (along with every other source of revenue: merchandise, television contracts, etc.) are established in a manner that maximizes income. If player salaries were reduced, ticket prices would remain the same because the public is willing to pay the current prices. The only result of reduced salaries would be increased profits for ownership.

Oleg_Huzwog

There are no guarantees on the now aspect.Some athletes never perform to expectations. Their history is still their history though. Doesn't mean they earned their pay.

Are you aware that in today's market many of the tickets are bought by corporations...particularly the more expensive tickets. What do you think would happen if they pulled out?