More overpaid: Pro Atheletes or Rappers??? (POLL)

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

If a place to live was my sole goal, then I would've continued to rent. I purchased for the added financial benefits. But hey, if you're uncomfortable with the house analogy, I'll gladly replace it with any other investment.

There ARE guarantees on the "now" aspect of athletes. A wide receiver's speed and catching ability is known before the draft, as is a quarterback's throwing ability, a lineman's strength, etc. Certainly, there are some unknowns, the so-called "intangibles" that separate good players from great players, but even those aren't a complete crapshoot. Example:a player who shines in a bowl game is one who likely has greater composure in high pressure situations.

I must also object to your contention that salaries inflate ticket prices. Ticket prices (along with every other source of revenue: merchandise, television contracts, etc.) are established in a manner that maximizes income. If player salaries were reduced, ticket prices would remain the same because the public is willing to pay the current prices. The only result of reduced salaries would be increased profits for ownership.

LJS9502_basic

There are no guarantees on the now aspect.Some athletes never perform to expectations. Their history is still their history though. Doesn't mean they earned their pay.

Are you aware that in today's market many of the tickets are bought by corporations...particularly the more expensive tickets. What do you think would happen if they pulled out?

There are no guarantees that the individual skills will meld together into a successful professional athlete. There ARE guarantees regarding those skills. Example: Jamarcus Russell is guaranteed to have one of the strongest throwing arms in the league. Once again, it's an investment. Some pan out wonderfully. Some flop miserably.

Corporations? Where did that come from? What relevance does that have to the discussion?

There are no guarantees that the individual skills will meld together into a successful professional athlete. There ARE guarantees regarding those skills. Example: Jamarcus Russell is guaranteed to have one of the strongest throwing arms in the league. Once again, it's an investment. Some pan out wonderfully. Some flop miserably.

Corporations? Where did that come from? What relevance does that have to the discussion?

Oleg_Huzwog

Skills are only skills if they translate well to the medium. One can have great skills in college...that are non existent in the pros.

Corporations help keep ticket sales viable. Tickets have gotten high enough to squeeze out many lifelong ticket purchasers.

Dude...just because you like sports does not mean athletes are not overpaid. Most fans express that thought...

Skills are only skills if they translate well to the medium. One can have great skills in college...that are non existent in the pros.

Corporations help keep ticket sales viable. Tickets have gotten high enough to squeeze out many lifelong ticket purchasers.

Dude...just because you like sports does not mean athletes are not overpaid. Most fans express that thought...

LJS9502_basic

Skills are skills. A guy who's strong and fast is a guy who's strong and fast. He doesn't suddenly become weak and slow when moving to the pro game.

I'm still confused as to why corporations were brought into the discussion. A ticket sale is a ticket sale. Why would it matter to the team as to who purchases the ticket?

Actually, I'm not too fond of professional football; the NFL game bores me. All I see is a business with a set of expenses and a set of revenues. :P

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Skills are only skills if they translate well to the medium. One can have great skills in college...that are non existent in the pros.

Corporations help keep ticket sales viable. Tickets have gotten high enough to squeeze out many lifelong ticket purchasers.

Dude...just because you like sports does not mean athletes are not overpaid. Most fans express that thought...

Oleg_Huzwog

Skills are skills. A guy who's strong and fast is a guy who's strong and fast. He doesn't suddenly become weak and slow when moving to the pro game.

I'm still confused as to why corporations were brought into the discussion. A ticket sale is a ticket sale. Why would it matter to the team as to who purchases the ticket?

Actually, I'm not too fond of professional football; the NFL game bores me. All I see is a business with a set of expenses and a set of revenues. :P

No...skills are relative to the medium. One can be a superstar with skills in one medium and a total wash out in the other.

It has to be Athletes. Rappers earn money based upon sales and advertising, which can be calculated and quanitfied accurately.

Athletes however are a different story. Zidane went from Juventus to Real Madrid for £46m. However, his "worth" is not calculated mathematically. He's only paid what the clubs are willing to offer/recieve. Not taking away Zizou's talent, but in basic economics, it's just too difficult to quantify his talent.

How do you quantify aggression, pace or precision? What about reflexes, stamina and power?

That's why I feel Athletes are more overpaid.

No...skills are relative to the medium. One can be a superstar with skills in one medium and a total wash out in the other.LJS9502_basic

You speak as though the two mediums (pro and college) are dramatically different. You speak as though the performance in one has absolutely no bearing on performance in the other. They're playing the same sport! Of course some draft picks turn out to be busts; no investment comes perfectly 100% risk-free.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...skills are relative to the medium. One can be a superstar with skills in one medium and a total wash out in the other.Oleg_Huzwog

You speak as though the two mediums (pro and college) are dramatically different. You speak as though the performance in one has absolutely no bearing on performance in the other. They're playing the same sport! Of course some draft picks turn out to be busts; no investment comes perfectly 100% risk-free.

They're not exactly alike. They haven't proven themselves in the pros and as such should not command a high paycheck until such time as they do.

Where's the both option? I would add media people, movie stars, and ceos to the list as well.FPSGunnerDude

they get what they are worth. thats how society works. they put asses in the seat, sell merchandise, sell cd's, etc.. they make coorporations billions so they are paid millions.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

You speak as though the two mediums (pro and college) are dramatically different. You speak as though the performance in one has absolutely no bearing on performance in the other. They're playing the same sport! Of course some draft picks turn out to be busts; no investment comes perfectly 100% risk-free.

LJS9502_basic

They're not exactly alike. They haven't proven themselves in the pros and as such should not command a high paycheck until such time as they do.

Ugh, I can see we've just about come as far as we can. You seem to think the draft is a total lottery; that teams, despite the vast amount of resources spent in research and scouting, are utterly incapable of judging future success.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

You speak as though the two mediums (pro and college) are dramatically different. You speak as though the performance in one has absolutely no bearing on performance in the other. They're playing the same sport! Of course some draft picks turn out to be busts; no investment comes perfectly 100% risk-free.

Oleg_Huzwog

They're not exactly alike. They haven't proven themselves in the pros and as such should not command a high paycheck until such time as they do.

Ugh, I can see we've just about come as far as we can. You seem to think the draft is a total lottery; that teams, despite the vast amount of resources spent in research and scouting, are utterly incapable of judging future success.

[QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]Where's the both option? I would add media people, movie stars, and ceos to the list as well.B05T0N

Sure, they all do something, sell something, or work. But, that doesn't change my opinion that they are overpaid.

[QUOTE="B05T0N"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]Where's the both option? I would add media people, movie stars, and ceos to the list as well.FPSGunnerDude

Sure, they all do something, sell something, or work. But, that doesn't change my opinion that they are overpaid.

everyone famous is over paid!MichaeltheCM

The term is 'crapshoot'. Drafts essentially are a crapshoot. Even in the first round, you have no idea what you're getting. I could give MANY examples.B05T0N

Yes, yes. We're all able to list well-publicized draft busts. But for every Brian Bosworth or Ryan Leaf you come up with, I can come up with a far greater number of successful picks.

This could make for an interesting study. Just for the fun of it, I'm going to look at the starting lineups of some NFL teams and see what the draft composition is. If the draft really is a crapshoot, as you contend, there should be an equal distribution of 1st through 7th rounders (or even undrafted). If, however, it's a system where teams have a decent idea of what to expect, there should be a greater number of early round picks. Hmmm, this could be fun! I shall report back with my findings!

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B05T0N

Why do I need a reason to say poeple are overpaid? They make too much money for what they do,therefore they are overpaid. Not to mention, some of them are terrible role models for the rest of us.

[QUOTE="B05T0N"]
The term is 'crapshoot'. Drafts essentially are a crapshoot. Even in the first round, you have no idea what you're getting. I could give MANY examples.Oleg_Huzwog

Yes, yes. We're all able to list well-publicized draft busts. But for every Brian Bosworth or Ryan Leaf you come up with, I can come up with a far greater number of successful picks.

This could make for an interesting study. Just for the fun of it, I'm going to look at the starting lineups of some NFL teams and see what the draft composition is. If the draft really is a crapshoot, as you contend, there should be an equal distribution of 1st through 7th rounders (or even undrafted). If, however, it's a system where teams have a decent idea of what to expect, there should be a greater number of early round picks. Hmmm, this could be fun! I shall report back with my findings!

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FPSGunnerDude

Why do I need a reason to say poeple are overpaid? They make too much money for what they do,therefore they are overpaid. Not to mention, some of them are terrible role models for the rest of us.

[QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"][QUOTE="B05T0N"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]

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B05T0N

Why do I need a reason to say poeple are overpaid? They make too much money for what they do,therefore they are overpaid. Not to mention, some of them are terrible role models for the rest of us.

So, let me get this straight. I express the opinion that people are being overpaid and you say do something about it, get out, that's life, and I'm communist? wtf?!

[QUOTE="B05T0N"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"][QUOTE="B05T0N"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]

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FPSGunnerDude

Why do I need a reason to say poeple are overpaid? They make too much money for what they do,therefore they are overpaid. Not to mention, some of them are terrible role models for the rest of us.

So, let me get this straight. I express the opinion that people are being overpaid and you say do something about it, get out, that's life, and I'm communist? wtf?!

Here it is. Between the 12 playoff teams from last season, 88 of the 264 starters are first rounders and another 43 are second rounders. There are as many starters drafted in the first two rounds as there are in the remaining 5 rounds plus undrafted combined. The draft is not a crapshoot.

[QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"][QUOTE="B05T0N"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"][QUOTE="B05T0N"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]

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B05T0N

Why do I need a reason to say poeple are overpaid? They make too much money for what they do,therefore they are overpaid. Not to mention, some of them are terrible role models for the rest of us.

So, let me get this straight. I express the opinion that people are being overpaid and you say do something about it, get out, that's life, and I'm communist? wtf?!

I could go on a tirade about how certain people in our society seem to value their money forrespect more than respect for other people, or maybe I will. Modern vehicles reek of this sentiment. They say "look at me, I have money, screw the rest of you!" And then the lemmings follow suit and get one. Then, everyone sings the song "Look at me, I have money", the rest of you canhave my hell!"

It's sad people get this way in our society. More people need to stop celebrating the poeples with money and start being concerned with the decay of a safe, friendly society.

[QUOTE="B05T0N"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"][QUOTE="B05T0N"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"][QUOTE="B05T0N"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]

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FPSGunnerDude

Why do I need a reason to say poeple are overpaid? They make too much money for what they do,therefore they are overpaid. Not to mention, some of them are terrible role models for the rest of us.

So, let me get this straight. I express the opinion that people are being overpaid and you say do something about it, get out, that's life, and I'm communist? wtf?!

I could go on a tirade about how certain people in our society seem to value their money forrespect more than respect for other people, or maybe I will. Modern vehicles reek of this sentiment. They say "look at me, I have money, screw the rest of you!" And then the lemmings follow suit and get one. Then, everyone sings the song "Look at me, I have money", the rest of you canhave my hell!"

It's sad people get this way in our society. More people need to stop celebrating the poeples with money and start being concerned with the decay of a safe, friendly society.

B05T0N

No, you are way off base there. I'm not anti-capitalist, just anti-gloating and anti-celebrating the haves at the expense of the have nots. And, I stand by what I said, many poeple make too much money for what they do or contribute.

[QUOTE="B05T0N"] FPSGunnerDude

No, you are way off base there. I'm not anti-capitalist, just anti-gloating and anti-celebrating the haves and the expense of the have nots. And, I stand by what I said, many poeple make too much money for what they do or contribute.

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[QUOTE="B05T0N"] B05T0N

No, you are way off base there. I'm not anti-capitalist, just anti-gloating and anti-celebrating the haves and the expense of the have nots. And, I stand by what I said, many poeple make too much money for what they do or contribute.

That's nice to know. I'm haveing a lot of trouble lately wading through the sea of gloaters and finding poeple like that.

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[QUOTE="B05T0N"] FPSGunnerDude

No, you are way off base there. I'm not anti-capitalist, just anti-gloating and anti-celebrating the haves and the expense of the have nots. And, I stand by what I said, many poeple make too much money for what they do or contribute.

That's nice to know. I'm haveing a lot of trouble lately wading through the sea of gloaters and finding poeple like that.

Rappers are definitley more overpaid. They make a lot more money.julian_jr

Neither. Both are getting what they earn. Overpaid in the sense that really important and meaningful jobs like teaching or firefighting get barely a fraction of their salary? Yeah sure, but really, no they aren't.

I'd like ot point out two things.

#1. You said rappers. When including one type of musicians you should include all, unless your extremely biased againts rappers, and if that's the case, say it.

#2. The path of an athlete is not an easy road. Pain, pain, and more physical pain. They deserve it, they've worked for eight years or longer to get to where they are.

If you wish to talk aobut overpaind athletes, you should look at NASCAR. Ohhh I caaaaan driiivvvee, look at me, I got mad skillz. :P

PS. No offense to anyone who likes NAscar, just making a point.

I'd like ot point out two things.

#1. You said rappers. When including one type of musicians you should include all, unless your extremely biased againts rappers, and if that's the case, say it.

#2. The path of an athlete is not an easy road. Pain, pain, and more physical pain. They deserve it, they've worked for eight years or longer to get to where they are.

If you wish to talk aobut overpaind athletes, you should look at NASCAR. Ohhh I caaaaan driiivvvee, look at me, I got mad skillz. :P

PS. No offense to anyone who likes NAscar, just making a point.-Big_Red-

Here's a #3 which actually includes NASCAR:Entertainment is a product, believe it or not. Every person that pays a ticket is paying to see other people, and that generates BILLIONS of dollars in revenue. It'd be a crime to not give the main reason people play money the biggest cut of the money they generate. It's only fair really. That's another reason why an athlete like A-Rod is so rich. People are paying big bucks to see him swing the bat and catch the ball, and his massive contract is fair share of future money.

POLL?yucky_straw

Neither.

EVERYONE is paid EXACTLY what they are worth.

If they were being paid more, they'd get fired.

And if they were getting paid less, they'd quit.

Why just rappers? Why not other musicians, they both make millions off of their albums.

Oh, and Athlete's are the over paid one's.

Donkey_Puncher

Considering that a good athlete can help to generate many millions of dollars, I don't think they're overpaid at all.