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#51 PSP107
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@Stesilaus: 'and I actually chuckled at the face-slapping "exorcism", even though I'm White."

?

@hallenbeck77:"Sony is hoping this will do well enough for a sequel, but like I said, it's an uphill climb."

You don't see this movie doing well at the box office?

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@PSP107 said:

@hallenbeck77:"Sony is hoping this will do well enough for a sequel, but like I said, it's an uphill climb."

You don't see this movie doing well at the box office?

Reboots of franchises already tend to keep hardcore fans of the original away in droves, not to mention that a majority of them don't do very well financially (the latest Mad Max movie and the revised Planet of the Apes movies are the few exceptions to the rule, becoming huge hits). Given that they're trying to give a new start to what is arguably considered one of the greatest comedies ever, not to mention the reactions by some fans since the project was announced, I'm not sure this is gonna be the hit the studio is hoping for.

But then again, I thought the Michael Bay produced Ninja Turtles was gonna be a bomb, and the sequel to that comes out this June. Shows what I know.

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@hallenbeck77 said:

But then again, I thought the Michael Bay produced Ninja Turtles was gonna be a bomb, and the sequel to that comes out this June. Shows what I know.

Yeah, but that's arguably a kids' movie - one which is based on an already rebooted-and-popular IP. Those almost always do well enough to justify their existence.

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#54 Hallenbeck77  Moderator
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@mattbbpl said:
@hallenbeck77 said:

But then again, I thought the Michael Bay produced Ninja Turtles was gonna be a bomb, and the sequel to that comes out this June. Shows what I know.

Yeah, but that's arguably a kids' movie - one which is based on an already rebooted-and-popular IP. Those almost always do well enough to justify their existence.

True, but there's still a large fanbase who grew up with them in the 80s, and are still fans today. I thought between them and the horrible designs of the turtles, it would have kept the older fans away, and alienated those who like the new cartoon series--which isn't that bad, by the way.

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#55 PSP107
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@mattbbpl: @hallenbeck77:

Fans of the original material have to realize these companies rather expand the product to a new audience than concentrate on old fans.

That audience is bigger.

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#56 Oi_Oi_Spanky
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Don't tell me, Melissa McCarthy swears like an old fish wife all the way through for comedic effect.

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#57 PSP107
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@oi_oi_spanky:

What you mean?

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#58 Oi_Oi_Spanky
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Have you ever seen any of the films she's acted in?

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#59  Edited By Hallenbeck77  Moderator
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@mattbbpl: @hallenbeck77:

Fans of the original material have to realize these companies rather expand the product to a new audience than concentrate on old fans.

That audience is bigger.

But outside of the first movie and the cartoon show that premiered in 1986, Ghostbusters never had the constant, consistent exposure that the Ninja Turtles had. The Turtles had at least 3 live-action movies, multiple comics series that are running to this day, and at least three more TV shows in addition to the original. That's over 30 years of Turtles history right there since 1984, and that's not even counting the massive toy line that was around for years. That's plenty of time and material to build up a new fanbase

Meanwhile, for Ghostbusters, there was the sequel in 1989 that didn't fare too well, another animated show in the late 90s that didn't last long, a video game in 2009, and some comics. Dan Ackroyd had been pushing to make a third film for over twenty years to no avail. It wasn't until recently when Sony's financial troubles came to light that they finally greenlit a movie. I think it's harder to get new fans based off of a 30 year old movie and not much else after.

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#60 PSP107
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@hallenbeck77:

Ghostbuster 3 could of happen but the suits and all involved just didn't agree on things.

One of the reasons The Extreme Ghostbuster(1997) failed was because of some its scheduleing it had.

The Turtles were still way more popular in the 80s early 90s though. But the Turtles are more easier to market to kids compared to Ghostbuster.

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#61  Edited By Yams1980
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Its a bad cast they have here. Also the effects are very cartoonish, looks like a rush job you would see for a weekly tv show where they don't have much time or money to make them look good. The original didn't even have CGI so everything was 100% real. Thats why the ghost at the beginning of the movie was so creepy, the librarian gave me nightmares as a kid. Also every ghost in the original movie was a hand crafted model... im not sure how they did it so well to mix it in with the film, but looking back on it after seeing this garbage I appreciate the original movies so much more and the amazing effects they had.

Also, nobody will ever bad mouth ghostbusters 2 again, its a masterpiece compared to what this new movie is. I'm looking forward to seeing this movie flop hard. The dialog is also so bad in the movie, and the actors have the stupidest smerks on their faces it ruins any kind of immersion into the movie. The original movies actors lived in the world and were serious about everything they were doing and the comedy was subtle and didn't try hard.

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#62  Edited By PSP107
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@Yams1980:

"Thats why the ghost at the beginning of the movie was so creepy, the librarian gave me nightmares as a kid."

So the new special effects might give today's kids nightmares.

"The original movies actors lived in the world and were serious about everything they were doing and the comedy was subtle and didn't try hard."

You just described why I say movies and TV have been awful since 2000.

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#63 deactivated-59d151f079814
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@PSP107 said:

@hallenbeck77:

Ghostbuster 3 could of happen but the suits and all involved just didn't agree on things.

One of the reasons The Extreme Ghostbuster(1997) failed was because of some its scheduleing it had.

The Turtles were still way more popular in the 80s early 90s though. But the Turtles are more easier to market to kids compared to Ghostbuster.

I like to consider the Ghostbusters video game that released last gen as the actual sequel to the movies..

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#64  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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@hallenbeck77 said:
@PSP107 said:

@mattbbpl: @hallenbeck77:

Fans of the original material have to realize these companies rather expand the product to a new audience than concentrate on old fans.

That audience is bigger.

But outside of the first movie and the cartoon show that premiered in 1986, Ghostbusters never had the constant, consistent exposure that the Ninja Turtles had. The Turtles had at least 3 live-action movies, multiple comics series that are running to this day, and at least three more TV shows in addition to the original. That's over 30 years of Turtles history right there since 1984, and that's not even counting the massive toy line that was around for years. That's plenty of time and material to build up a new fanbase

Meanwhile, for Ghostbusters, there was the sequel in 1989 that didn't fare too well, another animated show in the late 90s that didn't last long, a video game in 2009, and some comics. Dan Ackroyd had been pushing to make a third film for over twenty years to no avail. It wasn't until recently when Sony's financial troubles came to light that they finally greenlit a movie. I think it's harder to get new fans based off of a 30 year old movie and not much else after.

... So who exactly does the original Ghostbusters movie not appeal to? I mean it's like Jaws, Back to the Future, Jurassic Park, Aliens, Indiana Jones and the Lost Ark to name a few that are considered timeless classics.. Are we really saying that a Ghostbusters movie that released today's age that was every bit as good as the original, with the original actors, would bomb now? Because I am not seeing it..

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@hallenbeck77 said:

@KHAndAnime: To be fair, Winston didn't have a lot of dialogue. Not only that, Ernie Hudson, who's not a comedic actor, wasn't even the original choice for the role--Eddie Murphy had the part until he dropped out because he had to film Beverly Hills Cop. It was supposed to be 4 comedic actors--but instead it was three and a straight man. I imagine that Hudson's dialogue wasn't really fleshed out because Murphy probably would have had the freedom to ad-lib.

From what I understand, the one currently playing Patty (the character's name, forget the actress' real name) is supposed to be a comedic actor as well. I can't pass judgment on whether or not it's a racist caricature based off of 20 seconds of a 2 minute trailer. It could be worse--at least it doesn't seem like something grossly offensive like Stepin Fetchit.

Honestly the only thing that I didn't like was that Leslie Jones seems to be playing a stereotypical loud black lady, whereas Ernie Hudson played more of an everyman in the original. Sure Winston may not have a lot of dialogue, but Winston did had a huge role in the Ghostbusters cartoon series since I did started that series before I got to watch the original movies.

To me, Hollywood is so into stereotypical blacks that it's getting to the point they think oh look, we got a stereotype black in the movie, a lot of black people are sure gonna come see this movie, that's what I got from this trailer. How hard was it to just get a none stereotype black lady? Ernie Hudson did his best with the original Ghostbusters in my opinion.

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@davillain- said:
@hallenbeck77 said:

@KHAndAnime: To be fair, Winston didn't have a lot of dialogue. Not only that, Ernie Hudson, who's not a comedic actor, wasn't even the original choice for the role--Eddie Murphy had the part until he dropped out because he had to film Beverly Hills Cop. It was supposed to be 4 comedic actors--but instead it was three and a straight man. I imagine that Hudson's dialogue wasn't really fleshed out because Murphy probably would have had the freedom to ad-lib.

From what I understand, the one currently playing Patty (the character's name, forget the actress' real name) is supposed to be a comedic actor as well. I can't pass judgment on whether or not it's a racist caricature based off of 20 seconds of a 2 minute trailer. It could be worse--at least it doesn't seem like something grossly offensive like Stepin Fetchit.

Honestly the only thing that I didn't like was that Leslie Jones seems to be playing a stereotypical loud black lady, whereas Ernie Hudson played more of an everyman in the original. Sure Winston may not have a lot of dialogue, but Winston did had a huge role in the Ghostbusters cartoon series since I did started that series before I got to watch the original movies.

To me, Hollywood is so into stereotypical blacks that it's getting to the point they think oh look, we got a stereotype black in the movie, a lot of black people are sure gonna come see this movie, that's what I got from this trailer. How hard was it to just get a none stereotype black lady? Ernie Hudson did his best with the original Ghostbusters in my opinion.

I think you better expressed the finer points of my complaint. To Hallenbeck77, It doesn't matter to me if it's a short trailer. The trailer used the brief time they had to characterize that character in a very uncreative, weak way.

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@sSubZerOo: "I like to consider the Ghostbusters video game that released last gen as the actual sequel to the movies.."

I think it was confirmed by Dan Akroyd.

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Looks okay...yea I chuckled at the slapping exorcism scene too. :P

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This is not a Ghostbuster movie.......this looks more like a parody for the Ghostbuster movies and a bad one.

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The very 1st trailer I seen was the other day when it was posted on here the other day. It annoys me so much that black actors want to be taken seriously but then chuck in a race joke of there own like in the trailer. It was when she got chucked in the crowed and carried but the crowed jump out of the way instead. she said. I don't no if this is a race thing. If one of the white actors said that or said that because your black. The movie would have probably been banned.

Its double standards all the time. One rule for them the other rule for every one else.

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@skipper847: "It annoys me so much that black actors want to be taken seriously but then chuck in a race joke of there own like in the trailer. "

I mean when $$$$$ is at stake, you would play any role.

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All I have to say is ugh.

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I was a strong defender of the reboot right up until I saw the trailer. These actresses have the comic chops to pull it off but it just doesn't look like it's going to coalesce. I'll watch it on PPV for sure but I can't see myself spending a night of the movies based on what I've seen.

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@Schwah: "I'll watch it on PPV"

lol, they still do that?

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#75  Edited By Hallenbeck77  Moderator
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@PSP107: I think it's called movies on demand now. Not sure, cut my cable 2 years ago and never looked back.

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George Leon Leaving as Sony Pictures’ Consumer Marketing Head

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More Baseball talk with Mister Live

A. Where is your 2016 MLB thread?

B. Thoughts on Bryce Harper saying Baseball is a tired sport?

C. Thoughts on your boy Goose Gossage dissing today's players and the state of the game? He called Jose Baustia a disgrace to Latin players before him, Harper a fool and doesn't like the rule change of running through catchers and sliding into 2nd base.

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Eh...Don't seem all that funny to me.

Don't get why people got so worked up over it, the originals weren't exactly fantastic either.

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@Treflis: "the originals weren't exactly fantastic either."

lol

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@PSP107 said:

@Treflis: "the originals weren't exactly fantastic either."

lol

Well they weren't in my opinion.

They were good but not fantastic.

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Looks horribly unfunny and bad.

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It looks pretty bad. First off it starts with a bait and switch. It makes it look like a sequel/spinoff. But it's not. That's not cool. And the jokes are all terrible, the performances look over the top (outside of Kate McKinnon, who's always good) and honestly it just kind of looks... Wrong. That's the best way I can explain it. I think Ghostbusters works only under very specific circumstances. Now could this one work? Potentially. Sure. But it's not looking good. I get that the Ghostbusters are old and one is dead so you can't really do that. I get that. I do. But if you're in a universe where those characters don't even exist in any form I just tend to think it doesn't work. Those four people, and to a lesser extent the other characters, made that sing. Let's be honest here. Ghostbusters is kind of a stupid premise. Ghosts invading NY to kick off the apocalypse? That's not exactly A Tale Of Two Cities, is it? So the characters and their interactions are honestly what I believe made that movie sing. And the whole franchise. Extreme Ghostbusters wasn't terrible but it kind of didn't work, did it? It felt wrong, right? Well, I think that's because the premise of Ghostbusters needs a specific thing to make it work. And I don't think this has it.

Now, that said though, a lot of the criticism I've heard is not only not valid but ignorant and frankly offensive. The genders of the leads has nothing to do with it. At all. I don't know why so many people have to scream and cry and get offended by what they call "pandering to women" when the vast majority of movies and TV shows in genres we tend to enjoy are led by men. Is that pandering to men? No one puts it like that. And yet every time we see a female-led proposition that's exactly what the internet says. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. And even if it is pandering, so what? If that's the case it's targeted at someone different. So? That's fine. You don't need to have all the stuff. Let me give you an example. For those of you outside the US, there's a fairly popular show here called Pretty Little Liars. That show is about teenage girls and teenage girl BS. I've never seen that show and I'm not interested in seeing it. Because I don't care about teenage girl BS, I don't want to see teenage girl BS, and I want to stay as far away from teenage girl BS as I can. Therefore I don't watch shows about teenage girl BS.

But I'm not offended by its existence. It's not what I'm into. That show being made may have prevented something I'd like from getting on the air. Maybe. We don't know. It's possible. But I don't need to have all the TV shows. I don't need to have all the movies. I'm okay with other people having things. I don't need to hoard. If they want to make a movie for little girls to imagine they're the Ghostbusters like we did I'm 100% good with that. Again, I don't need all the stuff. Someone else having their own Ghostbusters is totally fine with me and I encourage it. It's nice to see some diversity. That's the world we live in so it's nice to see our media reflecting that. I'm going to see the movie and if it sucks I'm going to be disappointed but it won't ruin my day and I won't be offended that it wasn't what I like. Not liking it is fine. Criticizing the actual content is fine. But being offended by the idea of female Ghostbusters is not fine. Gender-based complaints are not fine. I'll back any legit criticism of that trailer. It was bad. But when the line gets crossed I have to call it like I see it.

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Yeah, that looked awful. Definitely not seeing it now.

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@bohemianlikeyou said:

It looks pretty bad. First off it starts with a bait and switch. It makes it look like a sequel/spinoff. But it's not. That's not cool. And the jokes are all terrible, the performances look over the top (outside of Kate McKinnon, who's always good) and honestly it just kind of looks... Wrong. That's the best way I can explain it. I think Ghostbusters works only under very specific circumstances. Now could this one work? Potentially. Sure. But it's not looking good. I get that the Ghostbusters are old and one is dead so you can't really do that. I get that. I do. But if you're in a universe where those characters don't even exist in any form I just tend to think it doesn't work. Those four people, and to a lesser extent the other characters, made that sing. Let's be honest here. Ghostbusters is kind of a stupid premise. Ghosts invading NY to kick off the apocalypse? That's not exactly A Tale Of Two Cities, is it? So the characters and their interactions are honestly what I believe made that movie sing. And the whole franchise. Extreme Ghostbusters wasn't terrible but it kind of didn't work, did it? It felt wrong, right? Well, I think that's because the premise of Ghostbusters needs a specific thing to make it work. And I don't think this has it.

Now, that said though, a lot of the criticism I've heard is not only not valid but ignorant and frankly offensive. The genders of the leads has nothing to do with it. At all. I don't know why so many people have to scream and cry and get offended by what they call "pandering to women" when the vast majority of movies and TV shows in genres we tend to enjoy are led by men. Is that pandering to men? No one puts it like that. And yet every time we see a female-led proposition that's exactly what the internet says. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. And even if it is pandering, so what? If that's the case it's targeted at someone different. So? That's fine. You don't need to have all the stuff. Let me give you an example. For those of you outside the US, there's a fairly popular show here called Pretty Little Liars. That show is about teenage girls and teenage girl BS. I've never seen that show and I'm not interested in seeing it. Because I don't care about teenage girl BS, I don't want to see teenage girl BS, and I want to stay as far away from teenage girl BS as I can. Therefore I don't watch shows about teenage girl BS.

But I'm not offended by its existence. It's not what I'm into. That show being made may have prevented something I'd like from getting on the air. Maybe. We don't know. It's possible. But I don't need to have all the TV shows. I don't need to have all the movies. I'm okay with other people having things. I don't need to hoard. If they want to make a movie for little girls to imagine they're the Ghostbusters like we did I'm 100% good with that. Again, I don't need all the stuff. Someone else having their own Ghostbusters is totally fine with me and I encourage it. It's nice to see some diversity. That's the world we live in so it's nice to see our media reflecting that. I'm going to see the movie and if it sucks I'm going to be disappointed but it won't ruin my day and I won't be offended that it wasn't what I like. Not liking it is fine. Criticizing the actual content is fine. But being offended by the idea of female Ghostbusters is not fine. Gender-based complaints are not fine. I'll back any legit criticism of that trailer. It was bad. But when the line gets crossed I have to call it like I see it.

thast all quoted word by word from the wikipedia article about 'being superficial' ... its the dream world americans live in and with them the whole planet, but they have perfected this 'way of life' ... the media isnt reflecting the society anymore, the society is reflectign the media ... in reality the society is transformed into an army of egomaniacs that only fight for their very own benefit, so they distrust everyone around them and are willingly giving themself in to 'authoritys providing them with opinions ... (like this gun thing, oh Boy ... normal People simply dont want to have guns, in normal countrys people who admire guns are freaks, social disfunctional deeply disturbed People ... like these hormonaly prematured 'teenagers' tehy are showing you ... and in the USA the companys and advertisments are telling you its okay to be that way, they simply started to tell you everything thats unhealthy, unsocial, madening and disturbing is normal because tehy simply make that much more money from you that way ... its the same form of slavery that exist in china, russia or north korea ... only it is that much simplyer in the west to believe the Illusions)

its sad, but its only the last state of decay ...