@kod said:
You have to remember there is also a cultural thing going on here. American's are far too sensitive to sex, sexuality, natural acts. I definitely agree that it is the more inappropriate for a family setting, but uhhh... i dont know. I guess it depends on how much your family values art.
Yeah, I get that but it wasn't the fact that there was sex in it or how explicit the sex was. While it was surprisingly, I was still very much onboard for the ride for about half the film. But then you get to the torture, the mutilation, the blood and how some if it was... obtained, the rusty pair of scissors and what was done with them, etc... That still was pretty over the top.
Plus, it's hard to imagine anyone sitting next to their mom and nudging her in the shoulder saying "hey mom! Check out the monster wang on Willem Dafoe!"
Art is art, and I don't think any subject matter should ever be "off limits" but at the same time, handle your topics with tact or face the backlash.
@kod said:
Mr Vengeance was brilliant. Park deconstructed the nature of revenge and led us to a point where there was no protagonist, you had no idea who to feel bad for or who to root for or be against. Visually it definitely had more going for it than Oldboy.
Lady Vengeance was very different from the other two. This was Parks most cerebral movies. Something Park had never done in the previous two movies was the surreal moments that littered the movie. It was also far more symbolic than either of the other two. Visually it was a masterpiece as well but the story was far more simplistic than Oldboy or Mr V. but was told in a very nonlinear way.
You should watch Stoker. Its Park's first American movie and its pretty damn good. I have not been able to confirm it and have many discussions on it, but im convinced its a remake of a Hitchcock film.
I like that aspect of Mr Vengeance, and my favorite revenge films are those where vengeance is shown is cyclical here even if there is a clear protagonist the character causes just as much damage in their quest as the person they are after. This was an element in Kill Bill and it was a central theme in Afro Samurai and was the main tragedy of the story. The same was true in the sequel, especially when Afro had to fight Shichigoro, who was probably the best and most moral character in both movies. The issue I had with Mr. Vengeance was that it was just too bleak.
I loved Mrs. Vengeance for it's visual style and storytelling.
I'm aware of Stoker but I haven't seen it yet. Even though it's Chanwook Park the premise didn't immediately grab me so I held off. You should also check out Thirst (his vampire film) and I am looking forward to The Handmaiden (based on The Fingerlings).
-Byshop
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