Mr. President: Don't get mad, get even.

First, I'd like to start off with this:

Cheney and co. are ALWAYS ready to lambaste the President for anything that they want to, and are very very vocal about it. Why hasn't Cheney OR his drill baby drill crew offered their expertise on the Gulf Disaster since they are BOTH filthy rich Oil barons?? All they say this is Obama's Katrina (stupidest analogy ever)when really it is carry overs from the previous administration's lax regulation.

Who else would tell it like it is like Arianna?

Secondly,

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/opinion/06rich.html

Me personally I'm all for seizing their assets and criminal charges against BP. An example must be made so these multinational corporations know not to **** with America and it's people.

blaming the previous administration for things...again..

Me personally I'm all for seizing their assets and criminal charges against BP.

Ultimas_Blade

blaming the previous administration for things...again..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

First, I'd like to start off with this:

Cheney and co. are ALWAYS ready to lambaste the President for anything that they want to, and are very very vocal about it. Why hasn't Cheney OR his drill baby drill crew offered their expertise on the Gulf Disaster since they are BOTH filthy rich Oil barons?? All they say this is Obama's Katrina (stupidest analogy ever)when really it is carry overs from the previous administration's lax regulation.

Ultimas_Blade

I have a better question. What does any of this have to do with the oil spill?

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

blaming the previous administration for things...again..

mattbbpl

Someone should have clued Obama in then before he granted this BP rig with a safety award.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

blaming the previous administration for things...again..

Someone should have clued Obama in then before he granted this BP rig with a safety award.

I just think it's funny that all these screw ups from the Bush years these people spent so much time defending as not being that bad are now being used as analogies of how horrible something Obama does is.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] In this case, it's actually warranted. Feel free to blame the Obama administration for it's seemingly apathetic response to the disaster or for retaining many of the policies set in place during prior administrations, but the policies of past administrations are the ones that allowed for the level of disregard for safety that BP displayed.mattbbpl

Someone should have clued Obama in then before he granted this BP rig with a safety award.

BP is the worst, they had 700 something bad safety violations in the last few years. The second most came in at 8.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] In this case, it's actually warranted. Feel free to blame the Obama administration for it's seemingly apathetic response to the disaster or for retaining many of the policies set in place during prior administrations, but the policies of past administrations are the ones that allowed for the level of disregard for safety that BP displayed.mattbbpl

Someone should have clued Obama in then before he granted this BP rig with a safety award.

Who really knows. Someone put something on Obama's desk to which he might have responded, "M'kay." The only one at fault here for the spill is BP. Not Bush, not Obama. Obama is merely culpable in his handling of matters here.

I just think it's funny that all these screw ups from the Bush years these people spent so much time defending as not being that bad are now being used as analogies of how horrible something Obama does is.

topgunmv

I think its even more hilarious that anyone is actually attempting to connect Bush to this.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Someone should have clued Obama in then before he granted this BP rig with a safety award.

QuistisTrepe_

Who really knows. Someone put something on Obama's desk to which he might have responded, "M'kay." The only one at fault here for the spill is BP. Not Bush, not Obama. Obama is merely culpable in his handling of matters here.

It's BP's fault and the fault of regulators for not enforcing regulations properly.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

I just think it's funny that all these screw ups from the Bush years these people spent so much time defending as not being that bad are now being used as analogies of how horrible something Obama does is.

QuistisTrepe_

I think its even more hilarious that anyone is actually attempting to connect Bush to this.

I don't see how it's Bush's fault either.

First, I'd like to start off with this:

Cheney and co. are ALWAYS ready to lambaste the President for anything that they want to, and are very very vocal about it. Why hasn't Cheney OR his drill baby drill crew offered their expertise on the Gulf Disaster since they are BOTH filthy rich Oil barons?? All they say this is Obama's Katrina (stupidest analogy ever)when really it is carry overs from the previous administration's lax regulation.

Who else would tell it like it is like Arianna?

Secondly,

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/opinion/06rich.html

Me personally I'm all for seizing their assets and criminal charges against BP. An example must be made so these multinational corporations know not to **** with America and it's people.

Ultimas_Blade

Wait what...? How are they messing with you? They were granted permission and had an accident...

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Yeah, that surprised me. Perhaps a case of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing? BP has had numerous safety violations in the past, so that has to mean that 1) the awarding parties weren't aware of the violations or 2) the other companies are worse. Right?SgtKevali

Who really knows. Someone put something on Obama's desk to which he might have responded, "M'kay." The only one at fault here for the spill is BP. Not Bush, not Obama. Obama is merely culpable in his handling of matters here.

It's BP's fault and the fault of regulators for not enforcing regulations properly.

They were enforced. BP paid $373 million in fines and moved on in a business as usual fashion.

>Implying Obama didn't legalize off-shore drilling

Because he did.

It's BP's fault and the fault of regulators for not enforcing regulations properly.

SgtKevali

wait... how is an oil spill caused by a rig that was granted safety awards by the current administration, the last administrations fault? Really, its BP's fault, because firstly, they are rich and can afford to make sure their stuffs working, secondly they are responsible for making sure their stuff is working properly.xhellcatx

I don't think the obama administration was guilty of any misdeeds. I also don't blame Bush for anything to do with Katrina. I do expect them to make sure it never happens again though. It would also be nice if they could do more to gert these other wells that are the permanent solution up faster.

I'm sorry, but the only party worth mentioning with regards to causing the oil spill is BP. The either the current or previous administration for an unforeseeable accident is patently ridiculous. I doubt that BP criminally violated the law. They should of course pay for all damages caused by the incident. I really don't think that there need be more discussion on the topic.

I'm sorry, but the only party worth mentioning with regards to causing the oil spill is BP. The either the current or previous administration for an unforeseeable accident is patently ridiculous. I doubt that BP criminally violated the law. They should of course pay for all damages caused by the incident. I really don't think that there need be more discussion on the topic.

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="xhellcatx"]wait... how is an oil spill caused by a rig that was granted safety awards by the current administration, the last administrations fault? Really, its BP's fault, because firstly, they are rich and can afford to make sure their stuffs working, secondly they are responsible for making sure their stuff is working properly.LJS9502_basic

Yep. They can't drill closer to shore in shallower water. If they were allowed to this would of been fixed very quickly or never have happened.

Anyways, I don't think Obama or Bush are to blame for this. It's BP, regulators, as well as some stupid laws. Also anyone who drives a gas-powered car...

It's mostly just an accident. It's not like BP or anyone else wanted this to happen...

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'm sorry, but the only party worth mentioning with regards to causing the oil spill is BP. The either the current or previous administration for an unforeseeable accident is patently ridiculous. I doubt that BP criminally violated the law. They should of course pay for all damages caused by the incident. I really don't think that there need be more discussion on the topic.

LJS9502_basic

Well the blame has to be on their faulty equipment and by extension them. However I think the people calling for criminal charges are being very over dramatic as coolbeans said, let them pay and move on.

The Minerals Management service has had a lot of problems.

[QUOTE="xhellcatx"]wait... how is an oil spill caused by a rig that was granted safety awards by the current administration, the last administrations fault? Really, its BP's fault, because firstly, they are rich and can afford to make sure their stuffs working, secondly they are responsible for making sure their stuff is working properly.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="xhellcatx"]wait... how is an oil spill caused by a rig that was granted safety awards by the current administration, the last administrations fault? Really, its BP's fault, because firstly, they are rich and can afford to make sure their stuffs working, secondly they are responsible for making sure their stuff is working properly.xhellcatx

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'm sorry, but the only party worth mentioning with regards to causing the oil spill is BP. The either the current or previous administration for an unforeseeable accident is patently ridiculous. I doubt that BP criminally violated the law. They should of course pay for all damages caused by the incident. I really don't think that there need be more discussion on the topic.

LJS9502_basic

Define "blame." They certainly should pay for the damages as they did cause the spill. Accidents do happen, but people are responsible for the damages caused by their accidents.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'm sorry, but the only party worth mentioning with regards to causing the oil spill is BP. The either the current or previous administration for an unforeseeable accident is patently ridiculous. I doubt that BP criminally violated the law. They should of course pay for all damages caused by the incident. I really don't think that there need be more discussion on the topic.

coolbeans90

Define "blame." They certainly should pay for the damages as they did cause the spill. Accidents do happen, but people are responsible for the damages caused by their accidents.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'm sorry, but the only party worth mentioning with regards to causing the oil spill is BP. The either the current or previous administration for an unforeseeable accident is patently ridiculous. I doubt that BP criminally violated the law. They should of course pay for all damages caused by the incident. I really don't think that there need be more discussion on the topic.

coolbeans90

Define "blame." They certainly should pay for the damages as they did cause the spill. Accidents do happen, but people are responsible for the damages caused by their accidents.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'm sorry, but the only party worth mentioning with regards to causing the oil spill is BP. The either the current or previous administration for an unforeseeable accident is patently ridiculous. I doubt that BP criminally violated the law. They should of course pay for all damages caused by the incident. I really don't think that there need be more discussion on the topic.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'm sorry, but the only party worth mentioning with regards to causing the oil spill is BP. The either the current or previous administration for an unforeseeable accident is patently ridiculous. I doubt that BP criminally violated the law. They should of course pay for all damages caused by the incident. I really don't think that there need be more discussion on the topic.

weezyfb

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] If it's an accident....why blame BP? Accidents do happen....no matter the care.LJS9502_basic

Define "blame." They certainly should pay for the damages as they did cause the spill. Accidents do happen, but people are responsible for the damages caused by their accidents.

Regardless of whether or not it was BP's "fault," they caused the oil spill. Not exactly sure what you are getting at here. Furthermore, my post never mentioned blame or fault. Just financial liability.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Define "blame." They certainly should pay for the damages as they did cause the spill. Accidents do happen, but people are responsible for the damages caused by their accidents.

coolbeans90

Regardless of whether or not it was BP's "fault," they caused the oil spill. Not exactly sure what you are getting at here. Furthermore, my post never mentioned blame or fault. Just financial liability.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Blame = fault. An accident has no fault....LJS9502_basic

Regardless of whether or not it was BP's "fault," they caused the oil spill. Not exactly sure what you are getting at here. Furthermore, my post never mentioned blame or fault. Just financial liability.

In the second post, yes. I wasn't exactly certain whether or not you were implying that BP should pay for the damages caused by the spill. Being that was not the case, (or at least so I think) I am now puzzled by your response to my fisrt post...

For all you jokers that say accident = no fault and BP shouldn't be punished...how is BP NOT responsible? They had over SEVEN HUNDRED VIOLATIONS compared to their competitors who, at most, had EIGHT. SEVEN HUNDRED is much, much greater than eight. You'd have to be blind, deaf, and dumb to not see that catastrophe happening at a moment's notice.

BP has lied to investigators, downplaying estamates and flailing around like a chicken without a head trying to do something about this mess. Mainstreet Americans on the Gulf Coast have LOST their livelihoods because of this, the ecology is wrecked, and you all are squeeling "leave BP alone!"

Why blame the Federal Government when this happened on a private corporation's watch? Conservatives want smaller government and less taxes yet you hold President Obama accountable for this. Who's it gonna pay for it? The tax payers? Yeah, that's how the Free Market suppose to work inconservative mindsapparently. BP isn't responsible for this preventable accident.

For all you jokers that say accident = no fault and BP shouldn't be punished...how is BP NOT responsible? They had over SEVEN HUNDRED VIOLATIONS compared to their competitors who, at most, had EIGHT. SEVEN HUNDRED is much, much greater than eight. You'd have to be blind, deaf, and dumb to not see that catastrophe happening at a moment's notice.

BP has lied to investigators, downplaying estamates and flailing around like a chicken without a head trying to do something about this mess. Mainstreet Americans on the Gulf Coast have LOST their livelihoods because of this, the ecology is wrecked, and you all are squeeling "leave BP alone!"

Why blame the Federal Government when this happened on a private corporation's watch? Conservatives want smaller government and less taxes yet you hold President Obama accountable for this. Who's it gonna pay for it? The tax payers? Yeah, that's how the Free Market suppose to work inconservative mindsapparently. BP isn't responsible for this preventable accident.

Ultimas_Blade

Yay for generaliztions with regards to conservatives. (I suppose I fit in the category here, as I prefer limited government, and free markets...)

I'm not the biggest fan of Obama, but what could he have possibly done to prevent this spill?

What could Bush have done to prevent Katrina?

I'm over-joyed he hasn't stuck his nose into things he knows nothing about, to be quite honest. Government isn't the solution to anything. Let BP fix it and then charge them for the entirety of the clean-up, loss of state revenue, etc etc.

Yay for generaliztions on the part of conservatives.

coolbeans90

For all you jokers that say accident = no fault and BP shouldn't be punished...how is BP NOT responsible? They had over SEVEN HUNDRED VIOLATIONS compared to their competitors who, at most, had EIGHT. SEVEN HUNDRED is much, much greater than eight. You'd have to be blind, deaf, and dumb to not see that catastrophe happening at a moment's notice.

BP has lied to investigators, downplaying estamates and flailing around like a chicken without a head trying to do something about this mess. Mainstreet Americans on the Gulf Coast have LOST their livelihoods because of this, the ecology is wrecked, and you all are squeeling "leave BP alone!"

Why blame the Federal Government when this happened on a private corporation's watch? Conservatives want smaller government and less taxes yet you hold President Obama accountable for this. Who's it gonna pay for it? The tax payers? Yeah, that's how the Free Market suppose to work inconservative mindsapparently. BP isn't responsible for this preventable accident.

Ultimas_Blade

Who's generalizing? Look at the way they vote in Congress. Nearly every piece of legislation has Congress split across party lines. The Moderate Republican as we knew it is non existent as the conservatives will cannibalize their own party members just to score political points.Ultimas_Blade

You have that very wrong. There are many, many, many more moderate republicans than conservative republicans.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Who's generalizing? Look at the way they vote in Congress. Nearly every piece of legislation has Congress split across party lines. The Moderate Republican as we knew it is non existent as the conservatives will cannibalize their own party members just to score political points.airshocker

You have that very wrong. There are many, many, many more moderate republicans than conservative republicans.

As i said..it's turned into a post about taking "pot shots" at republicans..

As i said..it's turned into a post about taking "pot shots" at republicans..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

When does it not?

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Who's generalizing? Look at the way they vote in Congress. Nearly every piece of legislation has Congress split across party lines. The Moderate Republican as we knew it is non existent as the conservatives will cannibalize their own party members just to score political points.airshocker

You have that very wrong. There are many, many, many more moderate republicans than conservative republicans.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Yay for generaliztions on the part of conservatives.

Ultimas_Blade

Yes, because all conservatives are in Congress, and therefore you cannot possibly have incorrectly overlooked the opinions of MILLIONS of conservatives on the matter. :roll: Whatever helps you sleep at night man. BTW, holding BP accountable for their own actions is not at all a left-right issue.

I said 'as we knew it'. Moderate Republicans now-a-days are just MINO (ouch, that hurt me just to type that :lol: ) Moderate enough to work with the Democrats? On what legislation? And who?Ultimas_Blade

That's a moderate republican. So, as we know them, they are still very much in abundance. Might as well call them liberal republicans for all the good they do for the American people.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Who's generalizing? Look at the way they vote in Congress. Nearly every piece of legislation has Congress split across party lines. The Moderate Republican as we knew it is non existent as the conservatives will cannibalize their own party members just to score political points.Xx_Hopeless_xX

You have that very wrong. There are many, many, many more moderate republicans than conservative republicans.

As i said..it's turned into a post about taking "pot shots" at republicans..

For example, that Haley Barbour, you know, the Governor of Mississippi:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/06/haley-barbour-oil-what-oi_n_602088.html