Murderer Kid "loved" violent Videogames.

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#51 leviathan91
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A lot of these shootings and violent outbursts tend to stem from family issues.

As I stated time and again, if you want violence to end, treat your kids right (i.e., don't coddle or abuse them).

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#52 Celldrax
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He enjoyed violent video games? Good for him.

Too bad something inside him was broken enough to actually commit murder...

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#53 soulless4now
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Oh great, another cuckoo.

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#54 loco145
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Oh good. So he intends on screwing both gun owners and video gamers at the same time.

God I hate attention whores.

Wasdie
We need to ban attention imo.
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#55 K-E316
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Oh good. So he intends on screwing both gun owners and video gamers at the same time.

God I hate attention whores.

loco145

We need to ban attention imo.

Lets ban banning since he obviously would love it if they ban both video games and guns

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#56 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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[QUOTE="OB-47"]

I'd assume he loved the violent video games because he was violent himself. The games didn't make him violent

MrGeezer

Probably. But I'm not going to claim that allowing a violent child to play violent games isn't going to have any effect.

Yeah I agree somewhat. If you look on this page a bit higher up you'll see what I think of it.

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#57 MrGeezer
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Yeah I agree somewhat. If you look on this page a bit higher up you'll see what I think of it.

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I think that you and I sort of have similar views on this. I mean...I agree that it's stupid to blame videogames, and videogames aren't going to make some kid kill a dude. But I'm not going to act like they have no effect whatsoever, I'm not going to act like they don't matter just because they're videogames. One videogame probably isn't going to hurt a kid. Especially when it's a well-adjusted nonviolent kid. But if you take a kid who is violent and has got serious problems, and then you basically expose him to videogames so much that he's basically being raised on videogames, then I suspect that probably isn't insignificant. The thing is, videogames very clearly send the message that violence gets rewarded. You take a kid who already has emotional and violent behavioral problems, and then repeatedly fill his head with the message that violence is the way to solve problems, then it's shocking how anyone would think that has no effect. It still probably doesn't make him murder anyone. That requires a conscious decision. But will it affect his attitude and overall outlook on life? I'm sure as hell not ruling that out. In any case, I don't know this kid's life story, so I'm not going to speculate on it. I don't know how his parents raised him, I don't know what influences he was exposed to, I don't know if he was mentally and emotionally healthy. All I'm saying is, gamers have a tendency to dismiss any criticisms against games way too quickly. The second that anyone even suggests that games might have any effect on people, gamers just get defensive and make comments like, "we'd might as well just ban everything, then." That kind of attitude really isn't helping.
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#58 Stesilaus
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I played Doom II at the age of 8 and have enjoyed violent video games for almost a decade and a half... and I am a law abiding citizen who does not murder people. Mental illness was why this boy did what he did.Zeviander

DOOM II has planted the seed of violent rage within you nonetheless.

That rage may be dormant now, but oneday, suddenly and inexplicably, everyone around you will resemble a fireball-tossing imp and you'll feel compelled to reach for a shotgun ...

:o

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#59 KungfuKitten
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He was also a "fan" of the violence in McClouds Daughters.
And didn't eat his vegetables.
And played board games with his mother that he frequently lost.
And wore intimidating red shoes.

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#60 DJ-Lafleur
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I'm sure there were murderers that loved violent films, or violent books, or violent music, etc

potential murderers/psychopaths probably don't spend every second of their life murdering or planning murder and probably have hobbies like other not-psychopathic people.

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#61 lamprey263
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damnit, why couldn't he just say Beavis and Butthead made him do it
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#62 cryemocry
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I played Doom II at the age of 8 and have enjoyed violent video games for almost a decade and a half... and I am a law abiding citizen who does not murder people. Mental illness was why this boy did what he did.Zeviander

i got doom in 1994 on atari jaguar and im 28 now yea man im in a psycho ward now typing this.

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#63 Razor-Lazor
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In other news, the boy's favorite food was pizza. This indicates that pizza contains a substance that invokes physical aggression and desire for violence. We need to ban pizza.
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#64 LLYNCES
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I played Doom II at the age of 8 and have enjoyed violent video games for almost a decade and a half... and I am a law abiding citizen who does not murder people. Mental illness was why this boy did what he did.Zeviander
Same, I remember playing GTA 3 when I was like eight years old, and tons of other violent video games.

You'd have to be mentally ill to take what you see in a violent video game and apply it to real life.

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#65 UnknownSniper65
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The teenager was obviously troubled regardless of the video games he played. Somebody should have noticed that something about his personality was off from the start.The guns should have been kept in a gun safe or at the very least had a trigger lock on them. I keep the keys to my gun safe on me at all times for the sole reason that I don't want anybody else to have access to them without my knowledge. Its also worth noting that with the exception of the AR-15 none of the firearms listed would have fallen under any kind of gun ban. As some others have pointed out his love of violent video games is just a symptom of a greater problem.

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#66 KungfuKitten
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Look at this in reverse. He's a killer and he likes violent video games. Not that surprising, eh?

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#67 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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Oh look, another kid that had guns available in house by his parents. Seeing a patter here anyone? Teens bored with life based in a society that has easy-kill "Tools :lol:" without no effort/risk. fantastic.
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#68 General_X
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BREAKING NEW: 15 year old loves a franchise specifically targeted at his demographic and also the highest selling form of entertainment OF ALL TIME. More at 11. Pro tip, for every teenage killer that loves COD, there are several million teenagers more who are not killing people and are able to live normal lives. In fact I would be surprised if you could find a teenage boy who did not play/enjoy COD or other shooter games.
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#69 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="General_X"] Pro tip, for every teenage killer that loves COD, there are several million teenagers more who are not killing people and are able to live normal lives.

While that's true, it's also true for anything. For every mentally ill killer, there are millions of mentally ill people who are not killing anyone. For every killer who uses a gun, there are millions of gun owners who never kill anyone. For every killer who was raised by bad parents, there are millions of people being raised by bad parents who'll never kill anyone. The fact is that there is no one single thing that turns people into killers. People like to think that it's guns, or the news media, or mental illness, or videogames, or bad parenting, but that's looking at it way too simply.
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#70 gamerguru100
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I'm just gonna leave this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thLjckkNVl8

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#71 MrGeezer
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I'm just gonna leave this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thLjckkNVl8

gamerguru100
Pretty good video, but I think the dude is missing something. I don't think that the Obama's goal is really to reduce gun violence, I think his goal is to look like he's doing something to prevent mass shootings (or "massacres" or "shooting sprees" or whatever you want to call those kinds of incidents.) Remember, this isn't in response to a shockingly high murder rate, it's in response to incidents like the Sandy Hook shootings and the Dark Knight shootings. And the reason is simple, he already sort of went there when he talked about how we demonize guns and give tobacco a pass. Why? because tobacco kills you slowly, while guns kill you quickly. Someone slowly dying from cancer is a lot less shocking and a lot less sensational than someone getting shot. And that's what people respond to: shock and sensationalism. And there are few things more shocking and sensational than 20 kids getting shot to death in an elementary school. My point being: I like his idea on reducing gun murders by ending the war on drugs. I'm just saying, I don't think that has much to do with the current national attention that's being put on guns. Ending the war on drugs would reduce gun homicides, but it wouldn't put a dent on things like the Sandy Hook shootings since those kinds of murders don't have anything to do with drugs or gang activity. This would currently be a big issue even if the war on drugs had ended. Because any time something shocking like the Sandy Hook shootings happen, people demand that something be done, and politicians have to scramble to make it look like they're coming up with solutions. Ending the war on drugs is a great idea and I think it should happen, but we'd be having this discussion regardless.
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#72 JohnF111
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He clearly had issues long before he had a controller in his hand.
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#73 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="General_X"]BREAKING NEW: 15 year old loves a franchise specifically targeted at his demographic and also the highest selling form of entertainment OF ALL TIME. More at 11. Pro tip, for every teenage killer that loves COD, there are several million teenagers more who are not killing people and are able to live normal lives. In fact I would be surprised if you could find a teenage boy who did not play/enjoy COD or other shooter games.

Yeah didn't you hear? Most killers over the age of 18 have a car, therefore cars should be taken away and banned.
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#74 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="JohnF111"] Yeah didn't you hear? Most killers over the age of 18 have a car, therefore cars should be taken away and banned.

I don't recall anyone suggesting that violent games should be banned.
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#75 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="JohnF111"] Yeah didn't you hear? Most killers over the age of 18 have a car, therefore cars should be taken away and banned.

I don't recall anyone suggesting that violent games should be banned.

It's clearly what we're all thinking is being blamed for the killing and the suggested solution.
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#76 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="JohnF111"] It's clearly what we're all thinking is being blamed for the killing and the suggested solution.

Again, pretty much no one is suggesting that as a solution. You can speculate that these old talking heads want violent video games to be banned, but you don't have anything to base that on without them suggesting anything of the sort.
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#77 dave123321
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[QUOTE="loco145"]

We should arrest all who play CoD and GTA, just to be sure.

theone86

This is what I hate about arguments involving violent video games, it seems no one on the side of video games even bothers to argue intelligently. I feel like they're constantly arguing against strawmen, whether it be a comment like this, jumping down the throats of people who just want to have a conversation on the issue and are not necessarily advocating specific action, or going on eloquent tangents that don't actually address any of the concerns the other side raises. I do think there is a large segment of people on the other side who are just prudes and/or don't understand video games and video gamers because of a generational gap, but I think to say that the pro-video game crowd is combative would be putting it mildly. For as much of a lack of understanding as there is on the other side, there's equally a lack of wanting to be understood on this side.

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#78 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="JohnF111"] It's clearly what we're all thinking is being blamed for the killing and the suggested solution.

Again, pretty much no one is suggesting that as a solution. You can speculate that these old talking heads want violent video games to be banned, but you don't have anything to base that on without them suggesting anything of the sort.

You're saying the thought never popped into your head? I wasn't saying anyone was blaming games or wanted to ban games.
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#79 MrGeezer
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I wasn't saying anyone was blaming games or wanted to ban games.JohnF111
Then why even make the comparison about banning cars? Sure, it'd be silly to ban cars. It'd also be silly to ban games, that's why pretty much no one is proposing such a thing.
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#80 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="JohnF111"]I wasn't saying anyone was blaming games or wanted to ban games.MrGeezer
Then why even make the comparison about banning cars? Sure, it'd be silly to ban cars. It'd also be silly to ban games, that's why pretty much no one is proposing such a thing.

That's why I was exaggerating and being facetious. Ever heard of it?

It's sometimes known as "Not being serious".

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#81 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="JohnF111"] That's why I was exaggerating and being facetious. Ever heard of it?

So basically, you're saying that that comment was not the least bit relevant to the discussion at hand. The only relevance to the topic would be if you were making an analogy, but that analogy fails if the implications don't also apply to the topic at hand. The whole point of such an analogy is to demonstrate how ridiculous something is by applying the same logic to something else. But if you're intentionally NOT applying the same logic, then the analogy breaks down and becomes completely irrelevant.
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#82 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="JohnF111"] That's why I was exaggerating and being facetious. Ever heard of it?

So basically, you're saying that that comment was not the least bit relevant to the discussion at hand. The only relevance to the topic would be if you were making an analogy, but that analogy fails if the implications don't also apply to the topic at hand. The whole point of such an analogy is to demonstrate how ridiculous something is by applying the same logic to something else. But if you're intentionally NOT applying the same logic, then the analogy breaks down and becomes completely irrelevant.

The topic contains video games, so did my post. Relevance = met.
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#83 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="JohnF111"] The topic contains video games, so did my post. Relevance = met.

It was an example of the strawman fallacy. I'll save you the trouble of looking it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="JohnF111"] That's why I was exaggerating and being facetious. Ever heard of it?JohnF111
So basically, you're saying that that comment was not the least bit relevant to the discussion at hand. The only relevance to the topic would be if you were making an analogy, but that analogy fails if the implications don't also apply to the topic at hand. The whole point of such an analogy is to demonstrate how ridiculous something is by applying the same logic to something else. But if you're intentionally NOT applying the same logic, then the analogy breaks down and becomes completely irrelevant.

The topic contains video games, so did my post. Relevance = met.

His butthurt is showing