I think more people should choose there music like you DejaVu. Nowadays it's all about violence and drugs; not the true art behind what makes music special and important.
That's all I have to say.
Music and Satanist- A link in modern day
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[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"]I still feel satanist and those bad rock bands are connected, if you wantch the documenatry it gives some proof. Which is scary.supermetroidfan
And I really don't care. If you're talking about LaVey Satanism what's the big deal? But if this has to do with devil worshipping what's the big deal? Satan isn't real.
NO I'm talkking about the one in the documentary, I'm not christian, I too don't believe in satan but the music is affecting young kids with subconscience messages.I think more people should choose there music like you DejaVu. Nowadays it's all about violence and drugs; not the true art behind what makes music special and important.
That's all I have to say.
Golfer4Life
:|I choose to listen to the music because I like how it stands not because the lyrical content. I can't even understand what most of them are saying.
Generalizations FTW!
[QUOTE="supermetroidfan"][QUOTE="MichaelSoft"]I still feel satanist and those bad rock bands are connected, if you wantch the documenatry it gives some proof. Which is scary.MichaelSoft
And I really don't care. If you're talking about LaVey Satanism what's the big deal? But if this has to do with devil worshipping what's the big deal? Satan isn't real.
NO I'm talkking about the one in the documentary, I'm not christian, I too don't believe in satan but the music is affecting young kids with subconscience messages.I don't want to waste my time watching such a documentary. Explain to me how it is affecting them?
[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Maybe they're just reflecting the violent world we live, not necessarily promoting it :?MichaelSoftReflecting it is not screaming: "kill kill bathe in blood" That's more promoting then anything. reflecting it would be singing about how horrible it is, not singing about how great it is. Doesn't the Bible carry some pretty brutal stories?
[QUOTE="Golfer4Life"]I quote Frank Zappa: "I wrote a song about dental floss, but did anybody's teeth get cleaner?" Music is only influencing maniacs and idiots.[QUOTE="whos_next000"][QUOTE="MichaelSoft"]Seriously but this is a really bad prblem, kids can be influenced by this because of their connection when they were little and the music can swing moods. For everyone who listens to those may I ask y? Would be good if someone responded.MichaelSoft
These "idiots and maniacs" can be everyday people that has fallen into the grasp of these music.
it's cuz the music puts your subconscience into a mood of violence and so forth, lyrics and the melody can do that, what it cant do is give you a specific feeling such as "dental floss mood", and dental flossing isn't a human instinct, violence is. there's a difference. Yah and then a mosh pitt comes of it and everyone releases the energy, they don't go out into the streets and start killing people :?[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="supermetroidfan"][QUOTE="MichaelSoft"]I still feel satanist and those bad rock bands are connected, if you wantch the documenatry it gives some proof. Which is scary.supermetroidfan
And I really don't care. If you're talking about LaVey Satanism what's the big deal? But if this has to do with devil worshipping what's the big deal? Satan isn't real.
NO I'm talkking about the one in the documentary, I'm not christian, I too don't believe in satan but the music is affecting young kids with subconscience messages.I don't want to waste my time watching such a documentary. Explain to me how it is affecting them?
The music hits themw when their young, depressed, or vulnerable. It goes into their subconscience when it's weak with hidden messages that only your subconscience can understand or they use their melodies and lyrics to strike cords into your subconscience when your weak, which you have no control over. They use the propaganda system, which is basically the same system commust used to take over. Theres more to it such as seperation and so forth. But not like YOU would care.[QUOTE="supermetroidfan"][QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="supermetroidfan"][QUOTE="MichaelSoft"]I still feel satanist and those bad rock bands are connected, if you wantch the documenatry it gives some proof. Which is scary.MichaelSoft
And I really don't care. If you're talking about LaVey Satanism what's the big deal? But if this has to do with devil worshipping what's the big deal? Satan isn't real.
NO I'm talkking about the one in the documentary, I'm not christian, I too don't believe in satan but the music is affecting young kids with subconscience messages.I don't want to waste my time watching such a documentary. Explain to me how it is affecting them?
The music hits themw when their young, depressed, or vulnerable. It goes into their subconscience when it's weak with hidden messages that only your subconscience can understand or they use their melodies and lyrics to strike cords into your subconscience when your weak, which you have no control over. They use the propaganda system, which is basically the same system commust used to take over. Theres more to it such as seperation and so forth. But not like YOU would care.So what are the effects of all this? What makes it such a big deal?
I still feel satanist and those bad rock bands are connected, if you wantch the documenatry it gives some proof. Which is scary.MichaelSoftYou know what's scary? Religion, how many people have died over it throughout history and how many people have been discriminated against because of it.
[QUOTE="DejaVu72"][QUOTE="supermetroidfan"][QUOTE="DejaVu72"][QUOTE="Golfer4Life"][QUOTE="DejaVu72"]I don't even listen to Rock every day...supermetroidfan
No don't get me wrong; there's noting wrong w/ rock. Heck, I think rock is awsome; I'm leaning towards more of Death Metal etc.
Genres like that in my opinion disrespect music. Music is a form of art. I like artists who treat it that way, and not like a joke. The majority of Metal musicians (especially death metal) care more about image over music, and intensity over quality.Art is subjective...
I know, but to me a large majority of Metal (Not ALL) cares more about intensity than quality. Quality should be the first priority in Art in my opinion.
Intensity is part of their quality.
+ not of all of it is about violence, there are brilliant songs from doom bands and such that aren't about violence!Think about. Why do you like to listen to death, killing, violence, murder and the such? Why would they like that kind of music? Slow conversion I tell you.
Religion is a form of brainwashing? Just like how the government is corrupt? It's the people behind it, not itself. Think about it. Buddhism like all religion for example, tries to exert morals and ethics we should follow. It tries to teach us something.But it's the people that make it corrupted.
[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="supermetroidfan"][QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="supermetroidfan"][QUOTE="MichaelSoft"]I still feel satanist and those bad rock bands are connected, if you wantch the documenatry it gives some proof. Which is scary.supermetroidfan
And I really don't care. If you're talking about LaVey Satanism what's the big deal? But if this has to do with devil worshipping what's the big deal? Satan isn't real.
NO I'm talkking about the one in the documentary, I'm not christian, I too don't believe in satan but the music is affecting young kids with subconscience messages.I don't want to waste my time watching such a documentary. Explain to me how it is affecting them?
The music hits themw when their young, depressed, or vulnerable. It goes into their subconscience when it's weak with hidden messages that only your subconscience can understand or they use their melodies and lyrics to strike cords into your subconscience when your weak, which you have no control over. They use the propaganda system, which is basically the same system commust used to take over. Theres more to it such as seperation and so forth. But not like YOU would care.So what are the effects of all this? What makes it such a big deal?
Can someone say clueless?? It converts their daily nature into a violent nature and often turns them into a person that loves killingThink about. Why do you like to listen to death, killing, violence, murder and the such? Why would they like that kind of music? Slow conversion I tell you.
Religion is a form of brainwashing? Just like how the government is corrupt? It's the people behind it, not itself. Think about it. Buddhism like all religion for example, tries to exert morals and ethics we should follow. It tries to teach us something.But it's the people that make it corrupted.
Golfer4Life
:|Like I said before. I like the sound of it. I like the fast, technical, sometimes brutal guitar and the pounding drums. Nothing to do with the violence
Oh and I also listen to something as silly as The Aquabats. Oh noes:shock:
Can someone say clueless?? It converts their daily nature into a violent nature and often turns them into a person that loves killingMichaelSoft
OH I knew. I was just trying to get you to say why this is so ridiculous.
Good point....But its a scape goat...... I dont care what the context of music is, if it sounds good to me, I love it...But what does my voice matter, I'm nothing but a hypocritic athiest....Sense the sarcasmAoki__certian volumes of melodies strike a cord in the human body, using propaganda they can slowly convert u into liking such melodies, thus making your nature more violent or making your idealogy and ideas much more aggresive and different. Propaganda is a powerful thing (im guessing u guys no wat it is)
Good point....But its a scape goat...... I dont care what the context of music is, if it sounds good to me, I love it...But what does my voice matter, I'm nothing but a hypocritic athiest....Sense the sarcasmAoki__
If it sounds good you'll listen to it? No matter the lyrics? Think about it a little.
[QUOTE="Aoki__"]Good point....But its a scape goat...... I dont care what the context of music is, if it sounds good to me, I love it...But what does my voice matter, I'm nothing but a hypocritic athiest....Sense the sarcasmGolfer4Life
If it sounds good you'll listen to it? No matter the lyrics? Think about it a little.
i have plenty... Music = Life to me..... "If God were alive today, we would kill him" from "God Eat God" and yes that is one of my favorite songs.
....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:Aoki__
Uh-huh funny. Think about it. Why do so many young people resort to weed? Because they are running away from there problems and it's "cool". Music has promoted this. I'm not saying if you listen to Metal you're going to kill. It's the message they're promoting that gets me. Look around the society today. Do we want more violence?
....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:Aoki__those things should not be joked about, some kids in colubine killed because the music they listened to carried on.
those things should not be joked about, some kids in colubine killed because the music they listened to carried on.[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="Aoki__"]....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:Aoki__
i take it you have never heard Kelli Dayton's music
Knowing what kind of music you like.. I dont want to -_-'[QUOTE="Aoki__"]....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:MichaelSoftthose things should not be joked about, some kids in colubine killed because the music they listened to carried on.
:|Those kids killed because they were troubled, already had mental problems meaning they were agressive and because they were social outcasts.
[QUOTE="Aoki__"]....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:Golfer4Life
Uh-huh funny. Think about it. Why do so many young people resort to weed? Because they are running away from there problems and it's "cool". Music has promoted this. I'm not saying if you listen to Metal you're going to kill. It's the message they're promoting that gets me. Look around the society today. Do we want more violence?
some one was is the debate club..:P
to answer your question, no we dont. But I think its ridiculous to say think things like " music drafts satanist" and I'm not refering to you
those things should not be joked about, some kids in colubine killed because the music they listened to carried on.[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="Aoki__"]....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:supermetroidfan
:|Those kids killed because they were troubled, already had mental problems meaning they were agressive and because they were social outcasts.
They found out they also listened to those kinds of music, one scene showed them worshiping the damn band. They themselves admitted that they were their gods. They were depressed and outcast thus their subconscience was vulnerable to their daily music. Makes sense.[QUOTE="Aoki__"]those things should not be joked about, some kids in colubine killed because the music they listened to carried on.[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="Aoki__"]....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:MichaelSoft
i take it you have never heard Kelli Dayton's music
Knowing what kind of music you like.. I dont want to -_-'no, you dont know what music I love...and Kelli well she sings "I'd give it all away, just to have a place to go to" in a soft mellow voice. Speaks for itself, not what I would call "killing music"
[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="Aoki__"]those things should not be joked about, some kids in colubine killed because the music they listened to carried on.[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="Aoki__"]....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:Aoki__
i take it you have never heard Kelli Dayton's music
Knowing what kind of music you like.. I dont want to -_-'no, you dont know what music I love...and Kelli well she sings "I'd give it all away, just to have a place to go to" in a soft mellow voice. Speaks for itself, not what I would call "killing music"
I would have expected it to be useless ranting from your previous post I.E sacraficing bunnies etc[QUOTE="Golfer4Life"][QUOTE="Aoki__"]....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:Aoki__
Uh-huh funny. Think about it. Why do so many young people resort to weed? Because they are running away from there problems and it's "cool". Music has promoted this. I'm not saying if you listen to Metal you're going to kill. It's the message they're promoting that gets me. Look around the society today. Do we want more violence?
some one was is the debate club..:P
to answer your question, no we dont. But I think its ridiculous to say think things like " music drafts satanist" and I'm not refering to you
Yeah, funny, jokes on you, there is no debate club at my school!
Anyways, I'm not saying music drafts Satanist. And I already said, Satanist is not Devil worshipping people. It is a testiment to the Satan in us, the natual want for sex and such. If you choose to follow it, I'm fine. Just don't confuse it with Devil worshipping. I on the other hand study all religion and look at the values that attain. But enough about me...
[QUOTE="Aoki__"][QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="Aoki__"]those things should not be joked about, some kids in colubine killed because the music they listened to carried on.[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="Aoki__"]....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:MichaelSoft
i take it you have never heard Kelli Dayton's music
Knowing what kind of music you like.. I dont want to -_-'no, you dont know what music I love...and Kelli well she sings "I'd give it all away, just to have a place to go to" in a soft mellow voice. Speaks for itself, not what I would call "killing music"
I would have expected it to be useless ranting from your previous post I.E sacraficing bunnies etc:lol: Robbie brought out the worst in me
[QUOTE="supermetroidfan"]those things should not be joked about, some kids in colubine killed because the music they listened to carried on.[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="Aoki__"]....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:MichaelSoft
:|Those kids killed because they were troubled, already had mental problems meaning they were agressive and because they were social outcasts.
They found out they also listened to those kinds of music, one scene showed them worshiping the damn band. They themselves admitted that they were their gods. They were depressed and outcast thus their subconscience was vulnerable to their daily music. Makes sense.:|Wow. I'm so surprised. If you want to talk media violence that caused this, it wasn't the music. Most people jump on the fact that they loved the game Doom and the movie Natural Born Killers. Wow but it was actually the music that don't even get to see violent acts performed amazing. Anyways this destroys your whole fact of making a big deal out of this. If it even affects subconcious and causes things, it's only alarming when said individuals are troubled. Only crazy people are influenced. Most children aren't crazy:|
[QUOTE="Aoki__"][QUOTE="Golfer4Life"][QUOTE="Aoki__"]....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:Golfer4Life
Uh-huh funny. Think about it. Why do so many young people resort to weed? Because they are running away from there problems and it's "cool". Music has promoted this. I'm not saying if you listen to Metal you're going to kill. It's the message they're promoting that gets me. Look around the society today. Do we want more violence?
some one was is the debate club..:P
to answer your question, no we dont. But I think its ridiculous to say think things like " music drafts satanist" and I'm not refering to you
Yeah, funny, jokes on you, there is no debate club at my school!
Anyways, I'm not saying music drafts Satanist. And I already said, Satanist is not Devil worshipping people. It is a testiment to the Satan in us, the natual want for sex and such. If you choose to follow it, I'm fine. Just don't confuse it with Devil worshipping. I on the other hand study all religion and look at the values that attain. But enough about me...
I'm an athiest,music lover.. my life story
[QUOTE="Golfer4Life"][QUOTE="Aoki__"][QUOTE="Golfer4Life"][QUOTE="Aoki__"]....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:Aoki__
Uh-huh funny. Think about it. Why do so many young people resort to weed? Because they are running away from there problems and it's "cool". Music has promoted this. I'm not saying if you listen to Metal you're going to kill. It's the message they're promoting that gets me. Look around the society today. Do we want more violence?
some one was is the debate club..:P
to answer your question, no we dont. But I think its ridiculous to say think things like " music drafts satanist" and I'm not refering to you
Yeah, funny, jokes on you, there is no debate club at my school!
Anyways, I'm not saying music drafts Satanist. And I already said, Satanist is not Devil worshipping people. It is a testiment to the Satan in us, the natual want for sex and such. If you choose to follow it, I'm fine. Just don't confuse it with Devil worshipping. I on the other hand study all religion and look at the values that attain. But enough about me...
I'm an athiest,music lover.. my life story
How very interesting!
Right, so death metal draws out the Satan in us?
Honestly, I get more violent ideas when I see a Beyonce clip (because her blatant lack of talent enrages me so I'd like to strangle her with pianowire or something) than I do listening to Death Metal.
And their lyrics do not necessarily promote violence (or they don't necessarily talk about violence either). I mean, just look at Amorphis...
They are proud of their northern (and probably Odinist heritage), but are their lyrics about violence? No they aren't.
As for the person whou said Death Metal is only about intensity, he couldn't be more wrong. Again, look at the example of Amorphis. Those men are just extremely talented musicians.
Oh, and btw. Supermetroidfan, i took a look at your last.fm top bands list :-) Man, you've got some darn good taste in music :-)
[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="supermetroidfan"]those things should not be joked about, some kids in colubine killed because the music they listened to carried on.[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="Aoki__"]....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:supermetroidfan
:|Those kids killed because they were troubled, already had mental problems meaning they were agressive and because they were social outcasts.
They found out they also listened to those kinds of music, one scene showed them worshiping the damn band. They themselves admitted that they were their gods. They were depressed and outcast thus their subconscience was vulnerable to their daily music. Makes sense.:|Wow. I'm so surprised. If you want to talk media violence that caused this, it wasn't the music. Most people jump on the fact that they loved the game Doom and the movie Natural Born Killers. Wow but it was actually the music that don't even get to see violent acts performed amazing. Anyways this destroys your whole fact of making a big deal out of this. If it even affects subconcious and causes things, it's only alarming when said individuals are troubled. Only crazy people are influenced. Most children aren't crazy:|
Games and movies dont provoke those kinds of actions, sure your seeing it but theres no direct message. Music however is, and as studied and said by scientest, music is the ultimate weapon for violence conversion not the steorotypical movie and games, why? Because music is like an instinct, it comes naturally and we have been listening to it for generations, as long as humans lived. Thats why it has more effects. Also its more direct and the melodies strike more cords in human emotions. Only crazy people are influenced is wrong. When they convert you, you dont know it since it starts slowly, they convert not only crazy, but depressed, outcasted, and the generally vulnable people. Research it more, but then again why waste time. You know its true :DLyrics arent the only thing to strike cords, melody is to. Also I never said all death metal was like that and when saying "the satan in all of us" he (golfer4life) is talking about greed, violence, and sex addiction. Also look into the sublimal messages that your subconscience picks up **WHICH YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF KNOWING AND U CANNOT CONTROL IT**. And usually if ppl listen to those type of music they deny anything of it since they already got converted and its normal for them. And if beyonce makes u violent u got problems. sorry for double postRight, so death metal draws out the Satan in us?
Honestly, I get more violent ideas when I see a Beyonce clip (because her blatant lack of talent enrages me so I'd like to strangle her with pianowire or something) than I do listening to Death Metal.
And their lyrics do not necessarily promote violence (or they don't necessarily talk about violence either). I mean, just look at Amorphis...
They are proud of their northern (and probably Odinist heritage), but are their lyrics about violence? No they aren't.
As for the person whou said Death Metal is only about intensity, he couldn't be more wrong. Again, look at the example of Amorphis. Those men are just extremely talented musicians.
Oh, and btw. Supermetroidfan, i took a look at your last.fm top bands list :-) Man, you've got some darn good taste in music :-)
Avitu666
Right, so death metal draws out the Satan in us?
Honestly, I get more violent ideas when I see a Beyonce clip (because her blatant lack of talent enrages me so I'd like to strangle her with pianowire or something) than I do listening to Death Metal.
And their lyrics do not necessarily promote violence (or they don't necessarily talk about violence either). I mean, just look at Amorphis...
They are proud of their northern (and probably Odinist heritage), but are their lyrics about violence? No they aren't.
As for the person whou said Death Metal is only about intensity, he couldn't be more wrong. Again, look at the example of Amorphis. Those men are just extremely talented musicians.
Oh, and btw. Supermetroidfan, i took a look at your last.fm top bands list :-) Man, you've got some darn good taste in music :-)
Avitu666
:DWhy thank you sir
Games and movies dont provoke those kinds of actions, sure your seeing it but theres no direct message. Music however is, and as studied and said by scientest, music is the ultimate weapon for violence conversion not the steorotypical movie and games, why? Because music is like an instinct, it comes naturally and we have been listening to it for generations, as long as humans lived. Thats why it has more effects. Also its more direct and the melodies strike more cords in human emotions. Only crazy people are influenced is wrong. When they convert you, you dont know it since it starts slowly, they convert not only crazy, but depressed, outcasted, and the generally vulnable people. Research it more, but then again why waste time. You know its true :DMichaelSoft
What kind of scientists said that? The same kind of scientists who affirm the world is only 6000-10000 years old? The same scientists who say the Grand Canyon was created after Noah's Flood?
Because honestly, I've never seen an article by a real scientist who says music provokes violence.
some of these statements are very narrow mined :| not excluding myselfAoki__
I can admit to being narrow minded and hypocritical at times:|
Right, so death metal draws out the Satan in us?
Honestly, I get more violent ideas when I see a Beyonce clip (because her blatant lack of talent enrages me so I'd like to strangle her with pianowire or something) than I do listening to Death Metal.
And their lyrics do not necessarily promote violence (or they don't necessarily talk about violence either). I mean, just look at Amorphis...
They are proud of their northern (and probably Odinist heritage), but are their lyrics about violence? No they aren't.
As for the person whou said Death Metal is only about intensity, he couldn't be more wrong. Again, look at the example of Amorphis. Those men are just extremely talented musicians.
Oh, and btw. Supermetroidfan, i took a look at your last.fm top bands list :-) Man, you've got some darn good taste in music :-)
Avitu666
I'm not saying that all Death Metal is promoting violence, I'm justsaying a lot are. Are all rap promoting sex and drugs? No, but again, a lot are. I haven't heard Amorphis so I wouldn't know; but from what I do know,musicthat areindulging the idea of violence and the such is a no no.
[QUOTE="Avitu666"]Lyrics arent the only thing to strike cords, melody is to. Also I never said all death metal was like that and when saying "the satan in all of us" he (golfer4life) is talking about greed, violence, and sex addiction. Also look into the sublimal messages that your subconscience picks up **WHICH YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF KNOWING AND U CANNOT CONTROL IT**. And usually if ppl listen to those type of music they deny anything of it since they already got converted and its normal for them. And if beyonce makes u violent u got problems. sorry for double postRight, so death metal draws out the Satan in us?
Honestly, I get more violent ideas when I see a Beyonce clip (because her blatant lack of talent enrages me so I'd like to strangle her with pianowire or something) than I do listening to Death Metal.
And their lyrics do not necessarily promote violence (or they don't necessarily talk about violence either). I mean, just look at Amorphis...
They are proud of their northern (and probably Odinist heritage), but are their lyrics about violence? No they aren't.
As for the person whou said Death Metal is only about intensity, he couldn't be more wrong. Again, look at the example of Amorphis. Those men are just extremely talented musicians.
Oh, and btw. Supermetroidfan, i took a look at your last.fm top bands list :-) Man, you've got some darn good taste in music :-)
MichaelSoft
1. The thing about Beyonce= sarcasm. I dislike Beyonce and her music. I do not feel real violence when seeing her clips (I do feel annoyed when I see and hear her, though :p)
2. When you speak about melody, again check out some previously mentioned bands: Amorphis, Dark Tranquillity, etc... It's loud at moments, but the melody is not necessarily aggressive.
3. According to you, I'm brainwashed (or converted as you say)...So Death Metal => converts people to evil? You're gonna spout some theories about the Illuminati now?
If you want to prove that this is true, I want you to come with scientific evidence. A documentary made by bible-thumpers does NOT count. That video was Pseudo-science
[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="Avitu666"]Lyrics arent the only thing to strike cords, melody is to. Also I never said all death metal was like that and when saying "the satan in all of us" he (golfer4life) is talking about greed, violence, and sex addiction. Also look into the sublimal messages that your subconscience picks up **WHICH YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF KNOWING AND U CANNOT CONTROL IT**. And usually if ppl listen to those type of music they deny anything of it since they already got converted and its normal for them. And if beyonce makes u violent u got problems. sorry for double postRight, so death metal draws out the Satan in us?
Honestly, I get more violent ideas when I see a Beyonce clip (because her blatant lack of talent enrages me so I'd like to strangle her with pianowire or something) than I do listening to Death Metal.
And their lyrics do not necessarily promote violence (or they don't necessarily talk about violence either). I mean, just look at Amorphis...
They are proud of their northern (and probably Odinist heritage), but are their lyrics about violence? No they aren't.
As for the person whou said Death Metal is only about intensity, he couldn't be more wrong. Again, look at the example of Amorphis. Those men are just extremely talented musicians.
Oh, and btw. Supermetroidfan, i took a look at your last.fm top bands list :-) Man, you've got some darn good taste in music :-)
Avitu666
1. The thing about Beyonce= sarcasm. I dislike Beyonce and her music. I do not feel real violence when seeing her clips (I do feel annoyed when I see and hear her, though :p)
2. When you speak about melody, again check out some previously mentioned bands: Amorphis, Dark Tranquillity, etc... It's loud at moments, but the melody is not necessarily aggressive.
3. According to you, I'm brainwashed (or converted as you say)...So Death Metal => converts people to evil? You're gonna spout some theories about the Illuminati now?
If you want to prove that this is true, I want you to come with scientific evidence. A documentary made by bible-thumpers does NOT count. That video was Pseudo-science
First I said that not all death metal are like that and I said ppl who listen to those type (aka promoting violence) are already effected. Second the documenatry might be a bit biased but it is still correct AND wiki subliminal and Subconscience and you'll have your facts. Scientest say music is the biggest wepon for conversion. And I never said EVIL I said violence.. Satanist dont worhsip satan, they embrace human indulgence (aka sex addiction, violence etc)[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"]
Games and movies dont provoke those kinds of actions, sure your seeing it but theres no direct message. Music however is, and as studied and said by scientest, music is the ultimate weapon for violence conversion not the steorotypical movie and games, why? Because music is like an instinct, it comes naturally and we have been listening to it for generations, as long as humans lived. Thats why it has more effects. Also its more direct and the melodies strike more cords in human emotions. Only crazy people are influenced is wrong. When they convert you, you dont know it since it starts slowly, they convert not only crazy, but depressed, outcasted, and the generally vulnable people. Research it more, but then again why waste time. You know its true :DAvitu666
What kind of scientists said that? The same kind of scientists who affirm the world is only 6000-10000 years old? The same scientists who say the Grand Canyon was created after Noah's Flood?
Because honestly, I've never seen an article by a real scientist who says music provokes violence.
Oh well now your just making stuff up. have you done your research. Once again wiki it, groups of scientist have said it. One group said it effects you because your subconscience picks it up and another denies it but says it effects them because music revolves around human life for ages. No scientist has ever stated the grand canyon was made by noah's flood ok? I guess you havent seen articles at all.[QUOTE="Avitu666"][QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="Avitu666"]Lyrics arent the only thing to strike cords, melody is to. Also I never said all death metal was like that and when saying "the satan in all of us" he (golfer4life) is talking about greed, violence, and sex addiction. Also look into the sublimal messages that your subconscience picks up **WHICH YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF KNOWING AND U CANNOT CONTROL IT**. And usually if ppl listen to those type of music they deny anything of it since they already got converted and its normal for them. And if beyonce makes u violent u got problems. sorry for double postRight, so death metal draws out the Satan in us?
Honestly, I get more violent ideas when I see a Beyonce clip (because her blatant lack of talent enrages me so I'd like to strangle her with pianowire or something) than I do listening to Death Metal.
And their lyrics do not necessarily promote violence (or they don't necessarily talk about violence either). I mean, just look at Amorphis...
They are proud of their northern (and probably Odinist heritage), but are their lyrics about violence? No they aren't.
As for the person whou said Death Metal is only about intensity, he couldn't be more wrong. Again, look at the example of Amorphis. Those men are just extremely talented musicians.
Oh, and btw. Supermetroidfan, i took a look at your last.fm top bands list :-) Man, you've got some darn good taste in music :-)
MichaelSoft
1. The thing about Beyonce= sarcasm. I dislike Beyonce and her music. I do not feel real violence when seeing her clips (I do feel annoyed when I see and hear her, though :p)
2. When you speak about melody, again check out some previously mentioned bands: Amorphis, Dark Tranquillity, etc... It's loud at moments, but the melody is not necessarily aggressive.
3. According to you, I'm brainwashed (or converted as you say)...So Death Metal => converts people to evil? You're gonna spout some theories about the Illuminati now?
If you want to prove that this is true, I want you to come with scientific evidence. A documentary made by bible-thumpers does NOT count. That video was Pseudo-science
First I said that not all death metal are like that and I said ppl who listen to those type (aka promoting violence) are already effected. Second the documenatry might be a bit biased but it is still correct AND wiki subliminal and Subconscience and you'll have your facts. Scientest say music is the biggest wepon for conversion. And I never said EVIL I said violence.. Satanist dont worhsip satan, they embrace human indulgence (aka sex addiction, violence etc)A little biased??? It's Christian Fundy prejudice.
I mean, it's been made by people in the vein of Jack Chick or Kent Hovind.
That video does NOT count as scientific evidence.
Unless you can show me a proof by a objective, neutral REAL scientist, then I'll accept this as truth.
Until then, I count this link as totally useless, and especially stupid.
Oh well now your just making stuff up. have you done your research. Once again wiki it, groups of scientist have said it. One group said it effects you because your subconscience picks it up and another denies it but says it effects them because music revolves around human life for ages. No scientist has ever stated the grand canyon was made by noah's flood ok? I guess you havent seen articles at all.MichaelSoft
Link?
If else, the argument fails
[QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="Avitu666"][QUOTE="MichaelSoft"][QUOTE="Avitu666"]Lyrics arent the only thing to strike cords, melody is to. Also I never said all death metal was like that and when saying "the satan in all of us" he (golfer4life) is talking about greed, violence, and sex addiction. Also look into the sublimal messages that your subconscience picks up **WHICH YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF KNOWING AND U CANNOT CONTROL IT**. And usually if ppl listen to those type of music they deny anything of it since they already got converted and its normal for them. And if beyonce makes u violent u got problems. sorry for double postRight, so death metal draws out the Satan in us?
Honestly, I get more violent ideas when I see a Beyonce clip (because her blatant lack of talent enrages me so I'd like to strangle her with pianowire or something) than I do listening to Death Metal.
And their lyrics do not necessarily promote violence (or they don't necessarily talk about violence either). I mean, just look at Amorphis...
They are proud of their northern (and probably Odinist heritage), but are their lyrics about violence? No they aren't.
As for the person whou said Death Metal is only about intensity, he couldn't be more wrong. Again, look at the example of Amorphis. Those men are just extremely talented musicians.
Oh, and btw. Supermetroidfan, i took a look at your last.fm top bands list :-) Man, you've got some darn good taste in music :-)
Avitu666
1. The thing about Beyonce= sarcasm. I dislike Beyonce and her music. I do not feel real violence when seeing her clips (I do feel annoyed when I see and hear her, though :p)
2. When you speak about melody, again check out some previously mentioned bands: Amorphis, Dark Tranquillity, etc... It's loud at moments, but the melody is not necessarily aggressive.
3. According to you, I'm brainwashed (or converted as you say)...So Death Metal => converts people to evil? You're gonna spout some theories about the Illuminati now?
If you want to prove that this is true, I want you to come with scientific evidence. A documentary made by bible-thumpers does NOT count. That video was Pseudo-science
First I said that not all death metal are like that and I said ppl who listen to those type (aka promoting violence) are already effected. Second the documenatry might be a bit biased but it is still correct AND wiki subliminal and Subconscience and you'll have your facts. Scientest say music is the biggest wepon for conversion. And I never said EVIL I said violence.. Satanist dont worhsip satan, they embrace human indulgence (aka sex addiction, violence etc)A little biased??? It's Christian Fundy prejudice.
I mean, it's been made by people in the vein of Jack Chick or Kent Hovind.
That video does NOT count as scientific evidence.
Unless you can show me a proof by a objective, neutral REAL scientist, then I'll accept this as truth.
Until then, I count this link as totally useless, and especially stupid.
Just cuz its christian doesnt mean it contains no facts at all. It does. Music is a form of expression, which provokes different feelings. DUH. Everyone knows this. Depending on the music, the form of expression is picked up by your subconscience (once again wiki it for facts) thus provoking different feelings or striking different cords. Music is emotion, death metal is as well, tho most of the time it relates towards aggresiveness and violence. Your just hating on the documentary becuz it makes death metal seem bad. Im not christian either yet I still agree. But fine we'll play your game. know whats useless? Death metal.. straight up stupid.[QUOTE="Aoki__"]....Kelli Dayton made me kill :roll:MichaelSoftthose things should not be joked about, some kids in colubine killed because the music they listened to carried on. :lol: It had nothing to do with their upbringing.
Okay... http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=0007D716-71A1-1179-AF8683414B7F0000&pageNumber=5&catID=2
From the link: "When they scanned the brains of musicians who had chills of euphoria when listening to music, they found that music activated some of the same reward systems that are stimulated by food, sex and addictive drugs.
Overall, findings to date indicate that music has a biological basis and that the brain has a functional organization for music. It seems fairly clear, even at this early stage of inquiry, that many brain regions participate in specific aspects of music processing, whether supporting perception (such as apprehending a melody) or evoking emotional reactions."
It doesn't take a 10 year old to know that music stirs the emotion. Whether it be happiness, sadness, grief, anger, or the need for something. Now tell me, when you hear music about killing, drugs, sex, what emotion cord does that stir? Me? I would be sad because millions of people listen to this kind of music. Oh and to comment on whether you hear them singing it or not; that doesn't really matter. What if there was a secret organization of terriost andwe don'tknow aboutthem - it's still there. And even if they don't mean what they are singing it doesn't justify it.
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