music recommendations for all you people with terrible taste in music....

I hate it when stuck up asshats think that their musical taste is superior to others.RosetaStoned

The new PTH album is definitely going to be heavier from what I've heard...WAY less poppy, so that'll probably eliminate the terrible vocals (I don't mind them at all)gasmaskman

I hope so. Unlike THA I never got used to the vocals....

I hated the THA vocals at first, but the more I listened to the band the more I came to like them and feel as if they really fit the band. Can't wait to see what they do with their next album!!!

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

Since your metal suggestions suck I will do a metal suggestion list:

Heavy: Skid Row, Avenged Sevenfold (Everything up to latest album), Motorhead.

Thrash: Nevermore, Megadeth, Metallica (Old), Machine Head.

Metalcore: All That Remains, Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall. Bullet For My Valentine

Power: See other genres.....

Death (Mostly melodic): Soilwork, Nightrage, In Flames, Opeth, Children of Bodom.

Nu: Drowning Pool (Sinner album only), Mudvayne, Disturbed, Slipknot.

Math: The Human Abstract, The Dillinger Escape Plan.

club-sandwich

If you wish:P

Rap: J Dilla / Jurassic 5
instrumental: Clint mansell & the kronos quartet / Explosions in the sky
ambeint: Aphex Twin
shoegaze: My bloody valentine / Jesus and the mary chain
indie: modest mouse / unwound
emo: Cap'n jazz
screamo: Song of Zarathustra / La Quiete
Punk: Japanther / government warning / career suicide / totalitar / minutemen / dead kennedys
hardcore punk: Charles bronson / dropdead
metal: electric wizard / converge
pop-punk: Cartel / Forever the sickest kids
alternative: Husker Du / Dinosaur Jr.

do it.

Scienceblows

Yuck, you like Modest Mouse.

wow...all these suck lol. Here are some of my favorite bands:

All That Remains, Adema, System of a Down, Trivium, Killswitch Engage, Avenged Sevenfold, Serj Tankian, Creed, Atreyu, Bleeding Through, Damageplan, Emmure, Bury Your dead, Soil, Saliva,Linkin Park, Cradle of Flith, Pantera, Metallica, Nirvana, Crowbar, Hatebreed, Korn, As I lay dying, Unearth, Chevelle, Chimaira, Mortal Treason.luno-gamer

yours are SOOO much better, right? :|

Iron Maiden isn't a power metal band....they're a NWOBHM band...they're nowhere near power metal.

Protest the Hero and PsyOpus are two great math metal bands you should definitely check out though.

gasmaskman

NWOBHM isn't a genre, it's a movement. the gothenburg sound (Dark Tranquillity, In Flames, At The Gates, etc.) isn't a genre, it's a way to describe the metal scene it came from, just like the Florida death metal scene, and the Bay Area Thrash Metal scene.

I have compiled a list of music, this is all the music you will ever need

Radiohead, Coldplay, Clinic, Sloan, Our Lady Peace, Imogen Heap, Akira Yamaoka

There ya go, now listen to it!

sorry for the edit, i forgot akira yamaoka

[QUOTE="Arkasai7"]

Terror EBM:

Suicide Commando

:Wumpscut:

Tactical Sekt

Terror Fakt

Grendel

Combichrist

dissonantblack

good. need more industrial fans in OT. have you listened to Eden Synthetic Corps by any chance? check them out if you haven't

[QUOTE="gasmaskman"]

Iron Maiden isn't a power metal band....they're a NWOBHM band...they're nowhere near power metal.

Protest the Hero and PsyOpus are two great math metal bands you should definitely check out though.

dante_123456

NWOBHM isn't a genre, it's a movement. the gothenburg sound (Dark Tranquillity, In Flames, At The Gates, etc.) isn't a genre, it's a way to describe the metal scene it came from, just like the Florida death metal scene, and the Bay Area Thrash Metal scene.

The point is that they are a HEAVY METAL band...which is what the movement is.

None of those genres interest me at all. I'll stick with my 'terrible' music instead.pianist

If you are a true fan of music you wouldn't limit yourself to certain genres and wouldn't be so unwilling to listen to different music...

Absolute garbage.

[QUOTE="pianist"]None of those genres interest me at all. I'll stick with my 'terrible' music instead.Thechaninator

If you are a true fan of music you wouldn't limit yourself to certain genres and wouldn't be so unwilling to listen to different music...

You have no idea who you're talking to.

And for the record, what you said is not true. You get to a certain point as a musician where amateur composition and simplicity bores you. There's no point in listening to 95% of modern music if that becomes the case.

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

[QUOTE="pianist"]None of those genres interest me at all. I'll stick with my 'terrible' music instead.Rhythmic_

If you are a true fan of music you wouldn't limit yourself to certain genres and wouldn't be so unwilling to listen to different music...

You have no idea who you're talking to.

And for the record, what you said is not true. You get to a certain point as a musician where amateur composition and simplicity bores you. There's no point in listening to 95% of modern music if that becomes the case.

I know who I am talking too: The classical elitist music teacher. I think he is pretty ignorant when it comes to music despite all his knowlege on theory.

What I said is completely true. I didn't tell him to lsten to any specific bands, nor a specific generation. I said he is ignorant for being completely unwilling to check out new GENRES. There is something good in every genre, simple as that. To be unwilling to check out new music is just sadly ignorant as I gaurantee he has much more of a limited library of music than the majority of people on this board.

BTW there is still 5% even if you are right.

[QUOTE="Rhythmic_"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

[QUOTE="pianist"]None of those genres interest me at all. I'll stick with my 'terrible' music instead.Thechaninator

If you are a true fan of music you wouldn't limit yourself to certain genres and wouldn't be so unwilling to listen to different music...

You have no idea who you're talking to.

And for the record, what you said is not true. You get to a certain point as a musician where amateur composition and simplicity bores you. There's no point in listening to 95% of modern music if that becomes the case.

I know who I am talking too: The classical elitist music teacher. I think he is pretty ignorant when it comes to music despite all his knowlege on theory.

What I said is completely true. I didn't tell him to lsten to any specific bands, nor a specific generation. I said he is ignorant for being completely unwilling to check out new GENRES. There is something good in every genre, simple as that. To be unwilling to check out new music is just sadly ignorant as I gaurantee he has much more of a limited library of music than the majority of people on this board.

BTW there is still 5% even if you are right.

I guess he is ignorant then...but still a more educated and better musician than you. In my opinion when you find artists that have extreme amounts of variety and depth in their music, and when they incorporate elements from many different past influences and other genres, there's little reason to look elsewhere until you get tired of listening to them which, in the case of what he likes, will not happen.The various sub-categories of the classical genre are the epitomy of mastery and intellectual thought as far as music goes.

I wouldn't expect you to understand that. But even in your case...when you find a group of bands you really like, what's the point in sifting through all the terrible music out there to find something else good, if you're already perfectly happy? Music isn't some kind of enlightenment contest, even when you're studying it and playing it professionally (both of which I have done). It's a personal thing, and if you're working that hard to be "open-minded" and have "varied taste", it completely defeats the original purpose of listening to music in the first place.

Rap: J Dilla / Jurassic 5
instrumental: Clint mansell & the kronos quartet / Explosions in the sky
ambeint: Aphex Twin
shoegaze: My bloody valentine / Jesus and the mary chain
indie: modest mouse / unwound
emo: Cap'n jazz
screamo: Song of Zarathustra / La Quiete
Punk: Japanther / government warning / career suicide / totalitar / minutemen / dead kennedys
hardcore punk: Charles bronson / dropdead
metal: electric wizard / converge
pop-punk: Cartel / Forever the sickest kids
alternative: Husker Du / Dinosaur Jr.

do it.

Scienceblows

you don't have to be an ass about it, saying how other peoples' taste in music sucks.........you lose :| Although, I do agree there is some pretty crappy music out there now and Aphex Twin is pretty good.

Rap: J Dilla / Jurassic 5
instrumental: Clint mansell & the kronos quartet / Explosions in the sky
ambeint: Aphex Twin
shoegaze: My bloody valentine / Jesus and the mary chain
indie: modest mouse / unwound
emo: Cap'n jazz
screamo: Song of Zarathustra / La Quiete
Punk: Japanther / government warning / career suicide / totalitar / minutemen / dead kennedys
hardcore punk: Charles bronson / dropdead
metal: electric wizard / converge
pop-punk: Cartel / Forever the sickest kids
alternative: Husker Du / Dinosaur Jr.

do it.

Scienceblows

Rap: Jurassic 5, Common.

Instrumental: Gonzales, Joe Satriani.

Ambiant: Boards of Canada, Amon Tobin (aphex twin would be there but its more like drum+bass or IDM)

Indie: The Hold Steady, Modest Mouse.

Rock/Alternative: Blur, The Cure.

Better. :)

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="Rhythmic_"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

[QUOTE="pianist"]None of those genres interest me at all. I'll stick with my 'terrible' music instead.Rhythmic_

If you are a true fan of music you wouldn't limit yourself to certain genres and wouldn't be so unwilling to listen to different music...

You have no idea who you're talking to.

And for the record, what you said is not true. You get to a certain point as a musician where amateur composition and simplicity bores you. There's no point in listening to 95% of modern music if that becomes the case.

I know who I am talking too: The classical elitist music teacher. I think he is pretty ignorant when it comes to music despite all his knowlege on theory.

What I said is completely true. I didn't tell him to lsten to any specific bands, nor a specific generation. I said he is ignorant for being completely unwilling to check out new GENRES. There is something good in every genre, simple as that. To be unwilling to check out new music is just sadly ignorant as I gaurantee he has much more of a limited library of music than the majority of people on this board.

BTW there is still 5% even if you are right.

I guess he is ignorant then...but still a more educated and better musician than you. In my opinion when you find artists that have extreme amounts of variety and depth in their music, and when they incorporate elements from many different past influences and other genres, there's little reason to look elsewhere until you get tired of listening to them which, in the case of what he likes, will not happen.The various sub-categories of the classical genre are the epitomy of mastery and intellectual thought as far as music goes.

I wouldn't expect you to understand that. But even in your case...when you find a group of bands you really like, what's the point in sifting through all the terrible music out there to find something else good, if you're already perfectly happy? Music isn't some kind of enlightenment contest, even when you're studying it and playing it professionally (both of which I have done). It's a personal thing, and if you're working that hard to be "open-minded" and have "varied taste", it completely defeats the original purpose of listening to music in the first place.

And what is "the perpose of listening to music in the first place"? to enjoy it. The more you look for good music, the more you'll enjoy yourself when you find it. At the heart of music is the emotional impact of which it is designed, its never made purely for the sake of it, which makes your statement earlier about simplicity being boring, invalid. If simple composition effects you emotionally then its doing its job and you should enjoy it, forget the technicality of it (although that should be equally respected).

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="Rhythmic_"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]

[QUOTE="pianist"]None of those genres interest me at all. I'll stick with my 'terrible' music instead.Rhythmic_

If you are a true fan of music you wouldn't limit yourself to certain genres and wouldn't be so unwilling to listen to different music...

You have no idea who you're talking to.

And for the record, what you said is not true. You get to a certain point as a musician where amateur composition and simplicity bores you. There's no point in listening to 95% of modern music if that becomes the case.

I know who I am talking too: The classical elitist music teacher. I think he is pretty ignorant when it comes to music despite all his knowlege on theory.

What I said is completely true. I didn't tell him to lsten to any specific bands, nor a specific generation. I said he is ignorant for being completely unwilling to check out new GENRES. There is something good in every genre, simple as that. To be unwilling to check out new music is just sadly ignorant as I gaurantee he has much more of a limited library of music than the majority of people on this board.

BTW there is still 5% even if you are right.

I guess he is ignorant then...but still a more educated and better musician than you. In my opinion when you find artists that have extreme amounts of variety and depth in their music, and when they incorporate elements from many different past influences and other genres, there's little reason to look elsewhere until you get tired of listening to them which, in the case of what he likes, will not happen.The various sub-categories of the classical genre are the epitomy of mastery and intellectual thought as far as music goes.

I wouldn't expect you to understand that. But even in your case...when you find a group of bands you really like, what's the point in sifting through all the terrible music out there to find something else good, if you're already perfectly happy? Music isn't some kind of enlightenment contest, even when you're studying it and playing it professionally (both of which I have done). It's a personal thing, and if you're working that hard to be "open-minded" and have "varied taste", it completely defeats the original purpose of listening to music in the first place.

I do not give a damn how educated he is when it comes to music. Ignorance is ignorance and elitism is incredibly immature. So you would rather sit there and listen to the same things over and over and not bother ever looking for more music? That is just sad. I haven't gotten tired of what I listen too, I just simply wish to find as much good music as I can. I see no point in missing out on all the great music out there just because I have a good library all ready.

As for the classical genre: It appears this is the genre pseudo-intellectuals gravitate to in order to feel as they are somehow smarter than everyone else. People act as if it is the only "real" music which is a load of ****. Personally, I think it is incredibly BORING the majority of the time and I think there is plenty of good reason as to why it isn't the popular form of music now.

As for being hapy with my music, I can't be perfectly happy knowing there is a good chance something I might enjoy even more is out there and I am not listening to it. Not to mention my music taste has been evolving for YEARS and I constantly find myself liking more and more kinds of music, especially when it comes to metal. I have put bands off as crap only to later find myself enjoying them alot.

If you aren't looking for new music and you don't find yourself gradually enjoying more and more kinds of music then your music taste isn't evolving which is just sad. To stick yourself in one genre is just stupid and boring not to mention narrow minded.

BTW you get on me as if I am treating music as some enlightenment contest, yet you go and put forward the ideas that classical is some God genre (which it's not) and you act as if I am stupid musically because I haven't studied theory or any of that BS. FYI, I played in band for years and quit because we moved andit just wasn't me. I am starting to teach myself guitar now (Don't have time or money for lessons) and I will be doing this without this theory BS for now. Sure I plan on learning it at some point, but as far as I am concerned putting forth a theory on music is just laughable. Maybe I am quick to judge, but to me music is nothing that can be theorized or have rules put forth on.

wow...all these suck lol. Here are some of my favorite bands:

All That Remains, Adema, System of a Down, Trivium, Killswitch Engage, Avenged Sevenfold, Serj Tankian, Creed, Atreyu, Bleeding Through, Damageplan, Emmure, Bury Your dead, Soil, Saliva,Linkin Park, Cradle of Flith, Pantera, Metallica, Nirvana, Crowbar, Hatebreed, Korn, As I lay dying, Unearth, Chevelle, Chimaira, Mortal Treason.luno-gamer

The others suck? System of a down, Trivium, creed, korn, killswitch engadge? haha, forget about it bud ;)

I do not give a damn how educated he is when it comes to music. Ignorance is ignorance and elitism is incredibly immature. So you would rather sit there and listen to the same things over and over and not bother ever looking for more music? That is just sad. I haven't gotten tired of what I listen too, I just simply wish to find as much good music as I can. I see no point in missing out on all the great music out there just because I have a good library all ready.

As for the classical genre: It appears this is the genre pseudo-intellectuals gravitate to in order to feel as they are somehow smarter than everyone else. People act as if it is the only "real" music which is a load of ****. Personally, I think it is incredibly BORING the majority of the time and I think there is plenty of good reason as to why it isn't the popular form of music now.

As for being hapy with my music, I can't be perfectly happy knowing there is a good chance something I might enjoy even more is out there and I am not listening to it. Not to mention my music taste has been evolving for YEARS and I constantly find myself liking more and more kinds of music, especially when it comes to metal. I have put bands off as crap only to later find myself enjoying them alot.

If you aren't looking for new music and you don't find yourself gradually enjoying more and more kinds of music then your music taste isn't evolving which is just sad. To stick yourself in one genre is just stupid and boring not to mention narrow minded.

BTW you get on me as if I am treating music as some enlightenment contest, yet you go and put forward the ideas that classical is some God genre (which it's not) and you act as if I am stupid musically because I haven't studied theory or any of that BS. FYI, I played in band for years and quit because we moved andit just wasn't me. I am starting to teach myself guitar now (Don't have time or money for lessons) and I will be doing this without this theory BS for now. Sure I plan on learning it at some point, but as far as I am concerned putting forth a theory on music is just laughable. Maybe I am quick to judge, but to me music is nothing that can be theorized or have rules put forth on.

Thechaninator

On the contrary, you use music theory on a daily basis at a subconcious level to decide whether or not you like music. The difference is, you can't pinpoint what technical aspects of the music cause you to be attracted to it, or vice versa. If you develop your knowledge of music theory, and you know what elements you enjoy hearing, you will be able to hear certain things in a song and immediately know whether or not you will enjoy listening to it. You will also be able to write music much more to your liking and, in my opinion, the liking of others if you want to go that route.

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]I do not give a damn how educated he is when it comes to music. Ignorance is ignorance and elitism is incredibly immature. So you would rather sit there and listen to the same things over and over and not bother ever looking for more music? That is just sad. I haven't gotten tired of what I listen too, I just simply wish to find as much good music as I can. I see no point in missing out on all the great music out there just because I have a good library all ready.

As for the classical genre: It appears this is the genre pseudo-intellectuals gravitate to in order to feel as they are somehow smarter than everyone else. People act as if it is the only "real" music which is a load of ****. Personally, I think it is incredibly BORING the majority of the time and I think there is plenty of good reason as to why it isn't the popular form of music now.

As for being hapy with my music, I can't be perfectly happy knowing there is a good chance something I might enjoy even more is out there and I am not listening to it. Not to mention my music taste has been evolving for YEARS and I constantly find myself liking more and more kinds of music, especially when it comes to metal. I have put bands off as crap only to later find myself enjoying them alot.

If you aren't looking for new music and you don't find yourself gradually enjoying more and more kinds of music then your music taste isn't evolving which is just sad. To stick yourself in one genre is just stupid and boring not to mention narrow minded.

BTW you get on me as if I am treating music as some enlightenment contest, yet you go and put forward the ideas that classical is some God genre (which it's not) and you act as if I am stupid musically because I haven't studied theory or any of that BS. FYI, I played in band for years and quit because we moved andit just wasn't me. I am starting to teach myself guitar now (Don't have time or money for lessons) and I will be doing this without this theory BS for now. Sure I plan on learning it at some point, but as far as I am concerned putting forth a theory on music is just laughable. Maybe I am quick to judge, but to me music is nothing that can be theorized or have rules put forth on.

Rhythmic_

On the contrary, you use music theory on a daily basis at a subconcious level to decide whether or not you like music. The difference is, you can't pinpoint what technical aspects of the music cause you to be attracted to it, or vice versa. If you develop your knowledge of music theory, and you know what elements you enjoy hearing, you will be able to hear certain things in a song and immediately know whether or not you will enjoy listening to it. You will also be able to write music much more to your liking and, in my opinion, the liking of others if you want to go that route.

Like I said, I may be quick to judge on theory as I know not what it consists of. My view is that music is a form of expression and putting forth theory on expression just seems silly to me. After all, you don't hand artists an equation or theory along with a paintbrush do you?

If it encompasses such things as the concepts of breakdowns and certain techniques then I already know a tad and must say that it really is important.

I agree with both Rhythmic and Thechaninator. It is the combination of technical analysis as well as emotional response that makes music great.

Although I tend to find that people that are not musicians tend to listed to more 'popular' artists than people who are. And 'popular' artists that get played on the radio a lot (and MTV, etc) tend to be less talented and make more generic, contrived music.

Like I said, I may be quick to judge on theory as I know not what it consists of. My view is that music is a form of expression and putting forth theory on expression just seems silly to me. After all, you don't hand artists an equation or theory along with a paintbrush do you?

If it encompasses such things as the concepts of breakdowns and certain techniques then I already know a tad and must say that it really is important.

Thechaninator

It's funny that you mention equations because yes, there are bands out there that base much oftheir music on philosophical mathematics and equations, the same way that many classical artists did/do. One of my favorite bands happens to be an example.

Music cant exist without the theory. Theory is the composition of the notes, the tempo, pitch, the scales. In the same vain though, The music would be meaningless if it wasnt for the emotion that the songs are based on. Its a double sided thing, weather the story your trying to tell through your music can be expressed through a simple sound or complex, aslong as its getting the point across well, its doing its job.booshdy

So it just deals with how certain scales pitchs etc. make certain emotions in music?
God that isn't anything I would need to play to know. It is pretty self explainatory at least in my eyes....

Reminds me of what I am going to be going through for film. I am getting into film which means I am gonna learn proper lighting (something I need) and certain camera techniques. That is definitely more difficult at least the lighting aspect is....

[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]Like I said, I may be quick to judge on theory as I know not what it consists of. My view is that music is a form of expression and putting forth theory on expression just seems silly to me. After all, you don't hand artists an equation or theory along with a paintbrush do you?

If it encompasses such things as the concepts of breakdowns and certain techniques then I already know a tad and must say that it really is important.

Rhythmic_

It's funny that you mention equations because yes, there are bands out there that base much oftheir music on philosophical mathematics and equations, the same way that many classical artists did/do. One of my favorite bands happens to be an example.

lol I am a fan of math metal but I never thought they actually used equations for their songs....

[QUOTE="booshdy"]Music cant exist without the theory. Theory is the composition of the notes, the tempo, pitch, the scales. In the same vain though, The music would be meaningless if it wasnt for the emotion that the songs are based on. Its a double sided thing, weather the story your trying to tell through your music can be expressed through a simple sound or complex, aslong as its getting the point across well, its doing its job.Thechaninator

So it just deals with how certain scales pitchs etc. make certain emotions in music?
God that isn't anything I would need to play to know. It is pretty self explainatory at least in my eyes....

Reminds me of what I am going to be going through for film. I am getting into film which means I am gonna learn proper lighting (something I need) and certain camera techniques. That is definitely more difficult at least the lighting aspect is....

You cannot say that lighting is more or less difficult than music theory. Two different things, and people are very talented (and not) in both music and photography.

[QUOTE="booshdy"]Music cant exist without the theory. Theory is the composition of the notes, the tempo, pitch, the scales. In the same vain though, The music would be meaningless if it wasnt for the emotion that the songs are based on. Its a double sided thing, weather the story your trying to tell through your music can be expressed through a simple sound or complex, aslong as its getting the point across well, its doing its job.Thechaninator

So it just deals with how certain scales pitchs etc. make certain emotions in music?
God that isn't anything I would need to play to know. It is pretty self explainatory at least in my eyes....

Reminds me of what I am going to be going through for film. I am getting into film which means I am gonna learn proper lighting (something I need) and certain camera techniques. That is definitely more difficult at least the lighting aspect is....

On theory, I was talking more about learning the scales, learning the notes, learning what goes where and how things fit to sound good. There is quite alot to learn. Paying for lessons is completely a personal choice, but like anything when learning, if you have someone elses experience to learn from its more benificial than trying to learn it yourself.

[QUOTE="Rhythmic_"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]Like I said, I may be quick to judge on theory as I know not what it consists of. My view is that music is a form of expression and putting forth theory on expression just seems silly to me. After all, you don't hand artists an equation or theory along with a paintbrush do you?

If it encompasses such things as the concepts of breakdowns and certain techniques then I already know a tad and must say that it really is important.

Thechaninator

It's funny that you mention equations because yes, there are bands out there that base much oftheir music on philosophical mathematics and equations, the same way that many classical artists did/do. One of my favorite bands happens to be an example.

lol I am a fan of math metal but I never thought they actually used equations for their songs....

First, do you know why it is called math metal? Second, most bands don't use equations. You have to be damn good to do it.

[QUOTE="pianist"]None of those genres interest me at all. I'll stick with my 'terrible' music instead.Thechaninator

If you are a true fan of music you wouldn't limit yourself to certain genres and wouldn't be so unwilling to listen to different music...

I'm not a fan of music in general. I'm a fan of the specific types of music that I enjoy, and having been exposed to many other varieties of music, possessing the skills necessary to determine whether or not they satisfy me, have found that they do not. You can listen to whatever you want to. If you feel your love for music is greater than mine because you are impressed by many genres, that's your prerogative. It's a common sentiment that is held by many who do not have an expertise in music. Those who do have an expertise in this field are in a better position to understand me.

What you may understand is this - the better a person understands a form of art, the higher his or her standards become, and the more difficult it is to impress him or her. Most of the music that is popular in Western society is composed by people who would be considered glorified amateurs by the standards set by those composers who do impress me. It has always been this way with respect to art - there are few true masters, but many who produce. And if you're in a position to understand the difference, you aren't impressed by those who merely try, only by those who succeed.

And for the record, what you said is not true. You get to a certain point as a musician where amateur composition and simplicity bores you. There's no point in listening to 95% of modern music if that becomes the case.

Rhythmic_

Well, well... it seems someone else does indeed understand! It's not simplicity that bores me , though. Simplicity can result in truly wonderful music, just as overly complex music can be unsatisfying. It's simplistic composition that bores me - and that's what most of the music in the popular music world is. It's been that way for centuries.

It's not simplicity that bores m, though. Simplicity can result in truly wonderful music, just as overly complex music can be unsatisfying.

pianist

Good lad.

[QUOTE="pianist"]

It's not simplicity that bores m, though. Simplicity can result in truly wonderful music, just as overly complex music can be unsatisfying.

booshdy

Good lad.

It's easy to confuse simple music with simplistic music. Some of the greatest music ever written is simple... but most of the music ever written is simplistic. Simplistic composition results from one of two things, usually - a composer with inadequate skill attempting to write simple music (such composers may well evolve into a person who CAN successfully write simple music), or a composer of limited skill in general attempting to write music.

I like to liken this to a form of art people understand better than music. If you encounter a great writer, his or her communication is clear, and it tends to be more evocative than a writer of limited talent because he or she, perhaps subconciously, is capable of infusing his or her writing with a large variety of expression (which could be analyzed on a technical level for those so inclined) while at the same time producing something which is completely understandable (i.e. simple)! A writer who is less skilled has a smaller palette on which to draw, and though his or her communication may well be clear, it likely won't strike the reader as exceptional, but merely adequate.

And just as is the case with writing, gratuitious complexity will only make the writing difficult to understand. People may be impressed by all the big words and long sentences, but they will also be turned away by the difficulty they have in understanding it - unless of course they have no such difficulty because of their intellectual ability and their knowledge. By the same token, writing which is incredibly poor gets ridiculed, even by those who have limited writing skills themselves. You see that all the time on these forums when someone clearly has no command of the language whatsoever. People point it out.

I think the greatest music is that which manages to maintain an essence of simplicity that results from complexity of thought for the very same reason that I appreciate great writers. The communication is incredibly clear, but when you start to examine the music, you can not help but be awestruck by how sophisticated the writing really is.

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And for the record, what you said is not true. You get to a certain point as a musician where amateur composition and simplicity bores you. There's no point in listening to 95% of modern music if that becomes the case.

pianist

Well, well... it seems someone else does indeed understand! It's not simplicity that bores me , though. Simplicity can result in truly wonderful music, just as overly complex music can be unsatisfying. It's simplistic composition that bores me - and that's what most of the music in the popular music world is. It's been that way for centuries.

I more or less meant simplistic composition. I PMed you like 2 days ago, in case you haven't checked.

[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Rhythmic_"]

And for the record, what you said is not true. You get to a certain point as a musician where amateur composition and simplicity bores you. There's no point in listening to 95% of modern music if that becomes the case.

Rhythmic_

Well, well... it seems someone else does indeed understand! It's not simplicity that bores me , though. Simplicity can result in truly wonderful music, just as overly complex music can be unsatisfying. It's simplistic composition that bores me - and that's what most of the music in the popular music world is. It's been that way for centuries.

I more or less meant simplistic composition. I PMed you like 2 days ago, in case you haven't checked.

I checked - I'll get back to you eventually.

I haven't heard of half the labels, never mind the bands...how about some John Coltrane...CrimzonTide

i should introduce you to howard moon :P