Muslims are kicked off AA flight by pilot, uncomfortable passengers.

profiling specifically based on their religion or ethnicity is stupid, inefficient and insulting.. 9/11 was a horrible incident but it does not create this rational response because statistically there are far greater dangers for air planes or every day life than anything remotely coming close to a person possibly being a terrorist.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]profiling specifically based on their religion or ethnicity is stupid, inefficient and insulting.. 9/11 was a horrible incident but it does not create this rational response because statistically there are far greater dangers for air planes or every day life than anything remotely coming close to a person possibly being a terrorist.YellowOneKinobi

.. He makes judgement calls on landing the plane.. He is not security.. As far as I am concerned this pilot should be fired on the spot... He specifically refused to fly with them because they were Muslims.. He had no idea how they acted because he never saw them.. There are security people on the plane you know.. As well as a extremely thorough security check before flight.

Did people not read the article, he walked down the asile and started pounding on the cockpit door, anyone who did this would be kick off the plane.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]profiling specifically based on their religion or ethnicity is stupid, inefficient and insulting.. 9/11 was a horrible incident but it does not create this rational response because statistically there are far greater dangers for air planes or every day life than anything remotely coming close to a person possibly being a terrorist.sSubZerOo

.. He makes judgement calls on landing the plane.. He is not security.. As far as I am concerned this pilot should be fired on the spot... He specifically refused to fly with them because they were Muslims.. He had no idea how they acted because he never saw them.. There are security people on the plane you know.. As well as a extremely thorough security check before flight.

I'm also not sure what you mean by security people on the plane, as not all flights have air marshalls.

Did people not read the article, he walked down the asile and started pounding on the cockpit door, anyone who did this would be kick off the plane.

Shrimp_Scampi

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[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] I agree with you that using religion as the sole ingredient for profiliing is inefficient. That being said, it is no less efficient that "random" searches. To me that makes no sense whatsoever. Profiling should be done but based on a combination of things. Appearance, mannerisms, is this person acting in a strange way, are they wearing multiple layers even though it's the middle of the summer. I'm not in law enforcement so I don't know the tricks of the trade, but I'm certain that there are MUCH better ways we could be using our resources. That being said, I'm still completely comfortable with pilots being able to make last minute judgement calls. If a pilot routinely kicks off people of a certain race or religion then I would think that he wouldn't be a pilot for very long. In this specific case, and again to mention the "hightened" government alerts, he followed his instincts and I'm not about to fault him for that.YellowOneKinobi

.. He makes judgement calls on landing the plane.. He is not security.. As far as I am concerned this pilot should be fired on the spot... He specifically refused to fly with them because they were Muslims.. He had no idea how they acted because he never saw them.. There are security people on the plane you know.. As well as a extremely thorough security check before flight.

I'm also not sure what you mean by security people on the plane, as not all flights have air marshalls.

No a pilot does not.. Pilots do not see their passangers to ever make the callof kicking them off for suspicious manner.. He kicked them off speciifcally because they were Muslim.. That in it self is unlawful and they should can his ass.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42989847 uhuh...8 month old baby patted down after an explosives alarm went off on the stroller...really?...you couldn't just tell that the 8 month old wasn't packing C4?... :| Omni-Slash

The 8 month old didn't pack it, but the mother sure could have packed it on the baby, thinking it wouldnt get searched.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

.. He makes judgement calls on landing the plane.. He is not security.. As far as I am concerned this pilot should be fired on the spot... He specifically refused to fly with them because they were Muslims.. He had no idea how they acted because he never saw them.. There are security people on the plane you know.. As well as a extremely thorough security check before flight.

sSubZerOo

I'm also not sure what you mean by security people on the plane, as not all flights have air marshalls.

No a pilot does not.. Pilots do not see their passangers to ever make the callof kicking them off for suspicious manner.. He kicked them off speciifcally because they were Muslim.. That in it self is unlawful and they should can his ass.

Further, I've been on flights where the pilot greets some passengers so again, I really don't know how to argue with you.

The 8 month old didn't pack it, but the mother sure could have packed it on the baby, thinking it wouldnt get searched.

Shrimp_Scampi

No a pilot does not.. Pilots do not see their passangers to ever make the callof kicking them off for suspicious manner.. He kicked them off speciifcally because they were Muslim.. That in it self is unlawful and they should can his ass.

sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="HNNNGH"][QUOTE="daqua_99"]This is a clearly cut case of discrimination based on religion.BuryMe

It's the same situation here. There is absolutely no reason to say these 2 passengers had any ill intent, and they were denied their flight simple because of how they looked. There is nothing good or reasonable about that.

I think your poll is a little biased. There were no lives at stake in the story you quoted.

It was pure discrimination.

BuryMe

No a pilot does not.. Pilots do not see their passangers to ever make the callof kicking them off for suspicious manner.. He kicked them off speciifcally because they were Muslim.. That in it self is unlawful and they should can his ass.

sSubZerOo

I find it ammusing that you believe the guy actually flying the plane has no say in such a matter.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

I think your poll is a little biased. There were no lives at stake in the story you quoted.

It was pure discrimination.

KeitekeTokage

If I walked onto a plane and saw guys that looked like this:

...in all honesty, I would be very edgy and put off from flying. I'm sure a lot of other people would be exactly the same.

I'm not saying what happened is right or wrong, I'm just throwing that out there.

-Unreal-

[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]

I think your poll is a little biased. There were no lives at stake in the story you quoted.

It was pure discrimination.

Theokhoth

In addition, as a commercial pilot, do you think he has never made a flight with muslims on board?

[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]

I think your poll is a little biased. There were no lives at stake in the story you quoted.

It was pure discrimination.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]

I think your poll is a little biased. There were no lives at stake in the story you quoted.

It was pure discrimination.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"] How do you figure that a bomb blowing up on a plane in mid air doesn't put lives at stake? I'd like to hear your rationale on this. That was the potential of the situation and the reason the pilot refused, because of the lives at stake if a bomb were to blow up on the plane, thus lives were at stake. How is that biased?YellowOneKinobi

In addition, as a commercial pilot, do you think he has never made a flight with muslims on board?

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Muslim =/= terrorist. The pilot saw two Muslims and immediately jumped to "bombs on a plane." The presence of Muslims on a plane is not a security risk. Especially Muslims that passed the TSA search.Theokhoth

In addition, as a commercial pilot, do you think he has never made a flight with muslims on board?

And if you are painting this pilot as some sort of racist, islamaphobe or something like that, then his career and history of not having any issues with muslims is far from irrelevant.

There is no other possible reason.Theokhoth

Why are people feeling bad for the Muslims? They now get to sue the **** out of AA, win, collect an "undisclosed" amount of money and ______ .

I WISH like hell something like this would happen to me.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] You have absolutely no idea as to what another person (in this case the pilot)is thinking. Nor do you know if the two people in question inadvertently acted in a way that caused the pilot to be suspicious.

In addition, as a commercial pilot, do you think he has never made a flight with muslims on board?

YellowOneKinobi

And if you are painting this pilot as some sort of racist, islamaphobe or something like that, then his career and history of not having any issues with muslims is far from irrelevant.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]There is no other possible reason.Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]There is no other possible reason.Omni-Slash

Pretty dumb move from the pilot. If nothing dangerous was found then why should they get off the plane. They were probably searched pretty thourougly judging by the way the look (no offence to anyone). the paranoid pilot obviously panicked and unfortuantely these two men were the victims of his paranoia,

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Muslim =/= terrorist. The pilot saw two Muslims and immediately jumped to "bombs on a plane." The presence of Muslims on a plane is not a security risk. Especially Muslims that passed the TSA search.Theokhoth

In addition, as a commercial pilot, do you think he has never made a flight with muslims on board?

Still waiting for any possible reason to kick off two TSA-validated passengers that doesn't reek of racism or islamophobia. Here are a few possibilities: Went to the bathroom for too long--why doesn't the pilot kick off anyone who has an upset stomach? Speaking in Arabic--why doesn't the pilot kick off any non-English speaker? One or both of them are jittery--same goes for anyone afraid of flying.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] You have absolutely no idea as to what another person (in this case the pilot)is thinking. Nor do you know if the two people in question inadvertently acted in a way that caused the pilot to be suspicious.

In addition, as a commercial pilot, do you think he has never made a flight with muslims on board?

KeitekeTokage

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Still waiting for any possible reason to kick off two TSA-validated passengers that doesn't reek of racism or islamophobia. Here are a few possibilities: Went to the bathroom for too long--why doesn't the pilot kick off anyone who has an upset stomach? Speaking in Arabic--why doesn't the pilot kick off any non-English speaker? One or both of them are jittery--same goes for anyone afraid of flying.Omni-Slash

Yes, he noticed what deems to be suspicious behavior from two passengers, both of whom are muslim and did absolutely nothing to warrant it, and kicks both of them off the plane even though they did nothing warranting suspicion or getting kicked off. If they brandished a knife or yelled "death to America" then we have a valid case. Theokhoth

Still waiting.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Still waiting for any possible reason to kick off two TSA-validated passengers that doesn't reek of racism or islamophobia. Here are a few possibilities: Went to the bathroom for too long--why doesn't the pilot kick off anyone who has an upset stomach? Speaking in Arabic--why doesn't the pilot kick off any non-English speaker? One or both of them are jittery--same goes for anyone afraid of flying.Theokhoth

for a date to the prom?....what are you waiting for?...Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Yes, he noticed what deems to be suspicious behavior from two passengers, both of whom are muslim and did absolutely nothing to warrant it, and kicks both of them off the plane even though they did nothing warranting suspicion or getting kicked off. If they brandished a knife or yelled "death to America" then we have a valid case. Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] for a date to the prom?....what are you waiting for?...surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] man your act gets old.....everyone whom doesn't view things the way you do is a racist, homophobe, Islamaphobe, Sexist...fill in the blank here....hell I find myself wanting to tell you to shove it even when I agree with what you're saying.......YellowOneKinobi

Man, anyone who disagrees with your view is childish, fill in the blank here.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Man, anyone who disagrees with your view is childish, fill in the blank here.Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Man, anyone who disagrees with your view is childish, fill in the blank here.Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] for a date to the prom?....what are you waiting for?...Omni-Slash

and just to make sure it is clear,by fairies i mean whimsical creatures that one would assume unable to be real

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Still waiting for any possible reason to kick off two TSA-validated passengers that doesn't reek of racism or islamophobia. Here are a few possibilities: Went to the bathroom for too long--why doesn't the pilot kick off anyone who has an upset stomach? Speaking in Arabic--why doesn't the pilot kick off any non-English speaker? One or both of them are jittery--same goes for anyone afraid of flying.Theokhoth

I've heard that passifiers are bad for babies because it messes with their teeth coming in straight. As a parent, do you know if that's true?YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] man your act gets old.....everyone whom doesn't view things the way you do is a racist, homophobe, Islamaphobe, Sexist...fill in the blank here....hell I find myself wanting to tell you to shove it even when I agree with what you're saying.......KeitekeTokage

The pilot has the right to make a judgment call; if the call is stupid and based on paranoia, however, then he should be reprimanded for it. Otherwise, what's to stop this or any other pilot from making any kind of stupid decision in the future? Or is asking a pilot to be responsible too much for you?

Keep up with all the "grown ups" comments; I haven't insulted any of you yet you're the ones claiming to be the grown ups here.

The actions of a few shouldn't define an entire group of people.CammiTac

[QUOTE="CammiTac"]The actions of a few shouldn't define an entire group of people.XiaolinPrincess

[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Still waiting.Theokhoth

The pilot has the right to make a judgment call; if the call is stupid and based on paranoia, however, then he should be reprimanded for it. Otherwise, what's to stop this or any other pilot from making any kind of stupid decision in the future? Or is asking a pilot to be responsible too much for you?

Keep up with all the "grown ups" comments; I haven't insulted any of you yet you're the ones claiming to be the grown ups here.

Muslim =/= terrorist. The pilot saw two Muslims and immediately jumped to "bombs on a plane." The presence of Muslims on a plane is not a security risk. Especially Muslims that passed the TSA search.Theokhoth

Every successful terrorist that ever existed passed the TSA search. What's your point?

Then why don't YOU get off the plane? Why do two people have to postpone or cancel their travel arrangements just because YOU are uncomfortable with their presence?

Theokhoth

If the pilot was uncomfortable with their presence, how is he supposed to get off the plane? He can kick them off or cancel the whole flight. Better to kick them off.

Anyone else found it ironic that they were going to a conference on Islamophobia?

It's a shame that some people are trying to justify this, but not surprising.