My best friend believes he got a girl pregnant and now hes going nuts.

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#51 fuzzmuffin
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So, someone who has a proper abortion in a real, sterile medical clinic and is able to get rid of her fears, complete her education, not have to face pregnancy, and won't be the subject of ridicule of her peers deserves that? For what you consider murder?

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She deserves life in prison, because she took a human life.

I agree. If she doesn't want the kid then she shouldn't have sex in the first place. Because everyone has their own idea of what protected sex is, condom, birth-control, or no sex at all. If that's the case then she just adds on to the list of young adults who are too stupid to make life decisions so they take the alternate route..abortion. That is if she is for it..

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="GTA3_Darkel"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Cool. If he's the father he's got a responsibility to step up to. Most likely though, she will get an abortion because obviously, murdering unwanted children is fine in today's society... but of course, only if it is unborn because then it isn't "human" and for some reason the woman has more rights than the child because it isn't "human."famicommander

Uh no. Have you ever heard the saying "one thing's sure and nothing's surer, the rich get richer and the poor get...Children!"

If she really does come from a poor background, you can pretty much be sure that there's no chance in hell of her ever getting an abortion. Rich people get abortions. Upper middle class people get abortions. People with a prostitute mom and a prisoner dad have kids.

Well there is also the more dangerous alleyway abortions which is much worse to those who can't afford it.

Anyone who would seek an abortion deserves the consequences caused by the procedure.

I remember back in the 80s there was this pro-choice campaign in which the slogan was "Pro-life: the name's a lie. You don't care if women die."

I'm a bit young for 80s ad campaigns, but rhyming is always fun. And they're right; I don't give a rat's ass if a murderer dies.

1) Now you're just lying. Abortion isn't murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of another person, and women have the right to have abortions.

2) I'm sure you'd much rather see a woman AND the baby die, rather than the mother to get an abortion. And that's fine. Because here in the USA, abortion ISN'T murder, it's STILL legal, and I take comfort in the fact that woman-hating people like you have to pay pay taxes to a nation that "murders" "babies".

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#53 ayanami_rei
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I agree. If she doesn't want the kid then she shouldn't have sex in the first place. Because everyone has their own idea of what protected sex is, condom, birth-control, or no sex at all. If that's the case then she just adds on to the list of young adults who are too stupid to make life decisions so they take the alternate route..abortion. That is if she is for it..

fuzzmuffin
>_> She's not a young adult though. She's 25, as the TC has said.
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#54 fuzzmuffin
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[QUOTE="fuzzmuffin"]

I agree. If she doesn't want the kid then she shouldn't have sex in the first place. Because everyone has their own idea of what protected sex is, condom, birth-control, or no sex at all. If that's the case then she just adds on to the list of young adults who are too stupid to make life decisions so they take the alternate route..abortion. That is if she is for it..

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>_> She's not a young adult though. She's 25, as the TC has said.

25 is plenty young, I knew a number of 25 years who didn't know a thing about raising a kid..

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#55 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="ayanami_rei"][QUOTE="fuzzmuffin"]

I agree. If she doesn't want the kid then she shouldn't have sex in the first place. Because everyone has their own idea of what protected sex is, condom, birth-control, or no sex at all. If that's the case then she just adds on to the list of young adults who are too stupid to make life decisions so they take the alternate route..abortion. That is if she is for it..

fuzzmuffin

>_> She's not a young adult though. She's 25, as the TC has said.

25 is plenty young, I knew a number of 25 years who didn't know a thing about raising a kid..

Doesn't matter how young she is. Abortion is legal, end of story.

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#56 famicommander
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1) Now you're just lying. Abortion isn't murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of another person, and women have the right to have abortions.

2) I'm sure you'd much rather see a woman AND the baby die, rather than the mother to get an abortion. And that's fine. Because here in the USA, abortion ISN'T murder, it's STILL legal, and I take comfort in the fact that woman-hating people like you have to pay pay taxes to a nation that "murders" "babies".

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I don't hate women. I just don't believe it's anyone's right to take another life. I would take the life of a woman over the life of a fetus, meaning that an abortion would be alright only if the woman's life was in real danger. When someone willingly takes the life of an innocent simply because they can't take responsibility for their own situations, their life becomes worthless in my eyes.
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#57 fuzzmuffin
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[QUOTE="fuzzmuffin"][QUOTE="ayanami_rei"][QUOTE="fuzzmuffin"]

I agree. If she doesn't want the kid then she shouldn't have sex in the first place. Because everyone has their own idea of what protected sex is, condom, birth-control, or no sex at all. If that's the case then she just adds on to the list of young adults who are too stupid to make life decisions so they take the alternate route..abortion. That is if she is for it..

MrGeezer

>_> She's not a young adult though. She's 25, as the TC has said.

25 is plenty young, I knew a number of 25 years who didn't know a thing about raising a kid..

Doesn't matter how young she is. Abortion is legal, end of story.

Of course it is, I just find it unmoral. But I'm sure she could careless as long as it makes her life easier..

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#58 MrGeezer
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1) Now you're just lying. Abortion isn't murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of another person, and women have the right to have abortions.

2) I'm sure you'd much rather see a woman AND the baby die, rather than the mother to get an abortion. And that's fine. Because here in the USA, abortion ISN'T murder, it's STILL legal, and I take comfort in the fact that woman-hating people like you have to pay pay taxes to a nation that "murders" "babies".

famicommander

I don't hate women. I just don't believe it's anyone's right to take another life. I would take the life of a woman over the life of a fetus, meaning that an abortion would be alright only if the woman's life was in real danger. When someone willingly takes the life of an innocent simply because they can't take responsibility for their own situations, their life becomes worthless in my eyes.

Rather than killing an embryo in a controlled setting, you take glee in back alley abortions (that also result in the death of the "child" that you care so ****ing much about) just because it satisfies you you to think of women suffering a horrible death.

You want to see women suffer horrible deaths for partaking in an action that IS their right.

Okay. If the idea of women slowly dying of internal hemmoraging while their fetuses rot away in a back alley appeals to you, that's also your right. But don't DARE try to hide that kind of evil behind such a thin and shallow attempt at compassion. You failed in that attempt the second you admitted that you'd like to see women die horribly as a result of back-alley abortions.

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Rather than killing an embryo in a controlled setting, you take glee in back alley abortions (that also result in the death of the "child" that you care so ****ing much about) just because it satisfies you you to think of women suffering a horrible death.

You want to see women suffer horrible deaths for partaking in an action that IS their right.

Okay. If the idea of women slowly dying of internal hemmoraging while their fetuses rot away in a back alley appeals to you, that's also your right. But don't DARE try to hide that kind of evil behind such a thin and shallow attempt at compassion. You failed in that attempt the second you admitted that you'd like to see women die horribly as a result of back-alley abortions.

MrGeezer
1. The child dies in either situation, except in one the person responsible for such a death suffers no consequences. 2. Any consequences of a back-alley abortion are self-imposed, and are a result of someone willingly taking another life. 3. I never said that I took glee in it, I said that it was deserved. If Scott Peterson killed himself, I wouldn't take glee in it. But I wouldn't dare shed a tear either.
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#60 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Rather than killing an embryo in a controlled setting, you take glee in back alley abortions (that also result in the death of the "child" that you care so ****ing much about) just because it satisfies you you to think of women suffering a horrible death.

You want to see women suffer horrible deaths for partaking in an action that IS their right.

Okay. If the idea of women slowly dying of internal hemmoraging while their fetuses rot away in a back alley appeals to you, that's also your right. But don't DARE try to hide that kind of evil behind such a thin and shallow attempt at compassion. You failed in that attempt the second you admitted that you'd like to see women die horribly as a result of back-alley abortions.

famicommander

1. The child dies in either situation, except in one the person responsible for such a death suffers no consequences. 2. Any consequences of a back-alley abortion are self-imposed, and are a result of someone willingly taking another life. 3. I never said that I took glee in it, I said that it was deserved. If Scott Peterson killed himself, I wouldn't take glee in it. But I wouldn't dare shed a tear either.

You're STILL saying that women deserve to die bleeding to death slowly in a dirty back alley for doing something that they DO have the right to do. :|

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Tell him to start kicking
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#62 famicommander
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You're STILL saying that women deserve to die bleeding to death slowly in a dirty back alley for doing something that they DO have the right to do. :|

MrGeezer
Legality and morality are separate things. There were no laws against killing Jews in Nazi Germany. Does that mean that a Nazi didn't deserve any consequences he might suffer for doing it?
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#63 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

You're STILL saying that women deserve to die bleeding to death slowly in a dirty back alley for doing something that they DO have the right to do. :|

famicommander

Legality and morality are separate things. There were no laws against killing Jews in Nazi Germany. Does that mean that a Nazi didn't deserve any consequences he might suffer for doing it?

Ah, the age old "**** the law" argument. I'll be sure to bring that argument up as a defense, the next time I murder a gay for being an abomination against god. :|

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

You're STILL saying that women deserve to die bleeding to death slowly in a dirty back alley for doing something that they DO have the right to do. :|

famicommander

Legality and morality are separate things. There were no laws against killing Jews in Nazi Germany. Does that mean that a Nazi didn't deserve any consequences he might suffer for doing it?

Jew =/= couple of cells

.. but hey according to you they're equal. Go walk up to a Jew and say you're the same as a fetus.

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#65 famicommander
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[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

You're STILL saying that women deserve to die bleeding to death slowly in a dirty back alley for doing something that they DO have the right to do. :|

MrGeezer

Legality and morality are separate things. There were no laws against killing Jews in Nazi Germany. Does that mean that a Nazi didn't deserve any consequences he might suffer for doing it?

Ah, the age old "**** the law" argument. I'll be sure to bring that argument up as a defense, the next time I murder a gay for being an abomination against god. :|

I said that from a moral standpoint this person deserves whatever happens to her because she took a life on purpose. Some morality is subjective and some is not. Killing an innocent is morally wrong, and there's no arguing against it.
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#66 famicommander
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[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

You're STILL saying that women deserve to die bleeding to death slowly in a dirty back alley for doing something that they DO have the right to do. :|

Dethshoot

Legality and morality are separate things. There were no laws against killing Jews in Nazi Germany. Does that mean that a Nazi didn't deserve any consequences he might suffer for doing it?

Jew =/= couple of cells

.. but hey according to you they're equal. Go walk up to a Jew and say you're the same as a fetus.

Apparently someone doesn't understand the concept of hyperbole. In an ideal world, neither the Jew nor the fetus would be killed. The life of the Jewish person takes precedent, but only when no alternative which allows both to live exists.
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#67 Dethshoot
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

You're STILL saying that women deserve to die bleeding to death slowly in a dirty back alley for doing something that they DO have the right to do. :|

famicommander

Legality and morality are separate things. There were no laws against killing Jews in Nazi Germany. Does that mean that a Nazi didn't deserve any consequences he might suffer for doing it?

Ah, the age old "**** the law" argument. I'll be sure to bring that argument up as a defense, the next time I murder a gay for being an abomination against god. :|

I said that from a moral standpoint this person deserves whatever happens to her because she took a life on purpose. Some morality is subjective and some is not. Killing an innocent is morally wrong, and there's no arguing against it.

Your morals are not everyone else's.

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#68 Setsa
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[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

You're STILL saying that women deserve to die bleeding to death slowly in a dirty back alley for doing something that they DO have the right to do. :|

Dethshoot

Legality and morality are separate things. There were no laws against killing Jews in Nazi Germany. Does that mean that a Nazi didn't deserve any consequences he might suffer for doing it?

Jew =/= couple of cells

.. but hey according to you they're equal. Go walk up to a Jew and say you're the same as a fetus.

They're both human beings that have an equal right to life : / The jews should not have been persecuted, and fetuses should not be cheated out of life.
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#69 famicommander
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[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

You're STILL saying that women deserve to die bleeding to death slowly in a dirty back alley for doing something that they DO have the right to do. :|

Dethshoot

Legality and morality are separate things. There were no laws against killing Jews in Nazi Germany. Does that mean that a Nazi didn't deserve any consequences he might suffer for doing it?

Ah, the age old "**** the law" argument. I'll be sure to bring that argument up as a defense, the next time I murder a gay for being an abomination against god. :|

I said that from a moral standpoint this person deserves whatever happens to her because she took a life on purpose. Some morality is subjective and some is not. Killing an innocent is morally wrong, and there's no arguing against it.

Your morals are not everyone else's.

Killing an innocent is universally wrong.
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[QUOTE="Dethshoot"][QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

You're STILL saying that women deserve to die bleeding to death slowly in a dirty back alley for doing something that they DO have the right to do. :|

famicommander

Legality and morality are separate things. There were no laws against killing Jews in Nazi Germany. Does that mean that a Nazi didn't deserve any consequences he might suffer for doing it?

Ah, the age old "**** the law" argument. I'll be sure to bring that argument up as a defense, the next time I murder a gay for being an abomination against god. :|

I said that from a moral standpoint this person deserves whatever happens to her because she took a life on purpose. Some morality is subjective and some is not. Killing an innocent is morally wrong, and there's no arguing against it.

Your morals are not everyone else's.

Killing an innocent is universally wrong.

Back again!

To some people, an early fetus is just a bundle of cells that was the result of an accident or a mistake and the mother's life (not that she'll die, but rather that she doesn't want or can't support another child) is more important than that bunch of cells. Maybe you think otherwise, and that's fine. You have every right to think what you want, you just can't impose that you're right on other people. If you think it's wrong talk to your girlfriend/wife about that (or don't get an abortion if you're a girl). However, if other people think it's the best option, respectfully disagree and let them do what they want.

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#71 GUNpoint_
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SHE had sex with a GIRL & SHE got her pregnant? WTF?
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#72 ROFLMASTER
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They only have themselves to blame really...something like that is unnecessary. He'll have to deal with it.
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#73 TM_Darkside
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Pre-cum can get girls pregnant...
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Sucks for you friend.
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

You're STILL saying that women deserve to die bleeding to death slowly in a dirty back alley for doing something that they DO have the right to do. :|

famicommander

Legality and morality are separate things. There were no laws against killing Jews in Nazi Germany. Does that mean that a Nazi didn't deserve any consequences he might suffer for doing it?

Ah, the age old "**** the law" argument. I'll be sure to bring that argument up as a defense, the next time I murder a gay for being an abomination against god. :|

I said that from a moral standpoint this person deserves whatever happens to her because she took a life on purpose. Some morality is subjective and some is not. Killing an innocent is morally wrong, and there's no arguing against it.

Its not the same as murder, its not breathing, thinking, or even moving, let alone on its own. Its nothing, a few cells bunched together not even in any form yet. Yes it could and will develop into something but so will anything thats left alone long enough. As you can guess i believe it is the womans right to choose if she has the child or not. You kill plenty of cells each day, what could those have devolped into if you had just left them? Their is no real point in arguing about this because it will ALWAYS be the persons right to choose what goes on in their body, its THEIR own body, not the unborn couple of cells. WOuld you rather them take the cells out of the mothers body and see what happened.

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#76 WSGRandomPerson
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Your friend is in a bad predicament.
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#77 freek666
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I just don't believe it's anyone's right to take another life.famicommander
What if I was a guard or something on Death Row and had to insert the needle or pull the switch for the electric chair in order to kill a man or woman (yes women can be evil too :o) who has done evil things like raping young children and the such. Does that mean that I too should die? Or what if an old person is dying and their medical info says "do not resuscitate"? Am I responsible for their death because I didnt stop it? No, because it was their choice. Or if my dog was in serious pain, and I had to euthanise him. Is that so bad that I should go to prison? Things need to happen, and people can choose how it all unfolds.
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#78 Toriko42
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Your friend is an idiot, I'm sorry but thats the truth

I hope he's man enough to take care of his kid, judging from how he got into this mess though he'll have trouble with his level of reasoning.
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#79 smarb001
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

1) Now you're just lying. Abortion isn't murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of another person, and women have the right to have abortions.

2) I'm sure you'd much rather see a woman AND the baby die, rather than the mother to get an abortion. And that's fine. Because here in the USA, abortion ISN'T murder, it's STILL legal, and I take comfort in the fact that woman-hating people like you have to pay pay taxes to a nation that "murders" "babies".

famicommander

I don't hate women. I just don't believe it's anyone's right to take another life. I would take the life of a woman over the life of a fetus, meaning that an abortion would be alright only if the woman's life was in real danger. When someone willingly takes the life of an innocent simply because they can't take responsibility for their own situations, their life becomes worthless in my eyes.

But nobody cares who's life you think is worthless, its the woman's choice, not your's, and there isn't anything you can do about it. Boohoo, its immoral. The child will die anyway from the OP's description of the girl's family, personality, and situation.

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#80 f15srcool
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PREGNANCYTEST, if positive he needs to support her, and her decision regarding abortion. Now really would be the best possible time to abort...
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#81 f15srcool
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[QUOTE="famicommander"] I just don't believe it's anyone's right to take another life.freek666
What if I was a guard or something on Death Row and had to insert the needle or pull the switch for the electric chair in order to kill a man or woman (yes women can be evil too :o) who has done evil things like raping young children and the such. Does that mean that I too should die? Or what if an old person is dying and their medical info says "do not resuscitate"? Am I responsible for their death because I didnt stop it? No, because it was their choice. Or if my dog was in serious pain, and I had to euthanise him. Is that so bad that I should go to prison? Things need to happen, and people can choose how it all unfolds.

This is true; mercy killings are needed. Also, what if someone had managed to kill Hitler Would that be wrong?

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#82 zombieman666
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What happend to pregnacy test?

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#83 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="Meat_Wad_Fan"]

Yes pre-ejaculate can get a girl pregnant. But I would be more worried about std's though if he had unpotected sex. A girl can be more than two weeks late and not be pregnant, very highly likely if she uses any drugs (not pot)

This is very unfortunate for both your friend and the girl if true that she is pregnant.

AirBorneLove

she doesn't do drugs. so if a girl who doesn't do drugs is 2 weeks late on her period she's what 90 percent preg.?

A million factors. A girl who doesn't eat enough can have irregular cycles as well.
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this calls for the maury show
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#85 LJS9502_basic  Online
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Pregnancy tests can be bought in any pharmacy.
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I'm a bit young for 80s ad campaigns, but rhyming is always fun. And they're right; I don't give a rat's ass if a murderer dies.famicommander
Lawl. Murderers are humans too.
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#87 Godly_Cure
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Then he needs to man up.
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#88 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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If there's a paternity test, just take it for him - problem solved.

Honestly, I think this post is just someone having fun.

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#89 Godly_Cure
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If there's a paternity test, just take it for him - problem solved.

Honestly, I think this post is just someone having fun.

sonicare
You're not familiar with the TC then?
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#90 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

If there's a paternity test, just take it for him - problem solved.

Honestly, I think this post is just someone having fun.

Godly_Cure
You're not familiar with the TC then?

Not particularly, why?
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#91 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

If there's a paternity test, just take it for him - problem solved.

Honestly, I think this post is just someone having fun.

Godly_Cure

You're not familiar with the TC then?

No. But his intentional poor grammar and subject matter seem to suggest a bogus thread.

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#92 pspdseagle
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Tell him that OT says Congratulations! Your life is ruined!
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#93 Putzwapputzen
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yeah i think i would be going nutz too, getting a girl pregnant has to be the worst thing for that guy right now, he has his whole life ahead of him. that means hes going to have to stop going to school to get a job, maybe two jobs in order to support his child. man thats ruff
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#94 Godly_Cure
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No. But his intentional poor grammar and subject matter seem to suggest a bogus thread.

sonicare
His threads are always like that and always serious.
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#95 Bloodbath_87
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All I know is "bi curious" instantly reminded me of this:

South Park

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Me too. :o
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#96 courtneyygee
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Okay, I hope I don't lock the thread for saying this, but tell your friend to have this girl grab her breasts...to check them if they are sore and tender...if they are...she is most likely not pregnant...and she get her period in a few days...if they aren't...I would be a tid bit worried. If a girl is pregnant it usually takes her breasts 8 weeks to be tender from pregnancy, but if it is before 8 weeks, tender breasts are usually caused from water gain and are a result in her period coming.
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#97 comp_atkins
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if she's preggers.. get a dna test

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#98 Cube_of_MooN
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So... was the "bi-curious" comment on the girl really necessary? And assuming this story is indeed true (which I do not know if it is) she should have a pregnancy test. Easy enough, right?