My note to anyone who is Pro-Life and Anti-War

I was reading comments on youtube for the song, War (What is it good for?) By Edwin Starr

Alot of the comments portray that they are all for life, against abortion, and strongly against war.......These people are selfish and narrow minded.

Why?

If you are so pro-life, tell me what happened on 9/11. Tell me what was happening in the middle east before America went to war with them.

War. What happens in War? People Die.

Are you still pro-life? Do you still want everyone to live?

There are people that kill eachother in another country, and it doesn't bother you much, but when your leader has soldiers do it, its outrageous.

My statement, You have to take some lives to save more.

I can promise you +50% of the Iraqi's and Afghan troops have taken lives before they were killed themselves.

If you are so pro-life still, and want everyone to live, would you like to be attacked and killed AGAIN by the same group?

This is why your soldiers should stay where they are untill there is total peace. There are still rebel groups the middle east, and I promise you they will reform if the United States and the other involved countries leave.

Finish What You Start

Thats all i can say

*discuss*

I was reading comments on youtube for the song, War (What is it good for?) By Edwin Starr

Alot of the comments portray that they are all for life, against abortion, and strongly against war.......These people are selfish and narrow minded.

Why?

If you are so pro-life, tell me what happened on 9/11. Tell me what was happening in the middle east before America went to war with them.

War. What happens in War? People Die.

Are you still pro-life? Do you still want everyone to live?

There are people that kill eachother in another country, and it doesn't bother you much, but when your leader has soldiers do it, its outrageous.

My statement, You have to take some lives to save more.

I can promise you +50% of the Iraqi's and Afghan troops have taken lives before they were killed themselves.

If you are so pro-life still, and want everyone to live, would you like to be attacked and killed AGAIN by the same group?

This is why your soldiers should stay where they are untill there is total peace. There are still rebel groups the middle east, and I promise you they will reform if the United States and the other involved countries leave.

Finish What You Start

Thats all i can say

*discuss*

clash76-grunger

generall total peace

I was reading comments on youtube for the song, War (What is it good for?) By Edwin Starr

Alot of the comments portray that they are all for life, against abortion, and strongly against war.......These people are selfish and narrow minded.

Why?

If you are so pro-life, tell me what happened on 9/11. Tell me what was happening in the middle east before America went to war with them.

War. What happens in War? People Die.

Are you still pro-life? Do you still want everyone to live?

There are people that kill eachother in another country, and it doesn't bother you much, but when your leader has soldiers do it, its outrageous.

My statement, You have to take some lives to save more.

I can promise you +50% of the Iraqi's and Afghan troops have taken lives before they were killed themselves.

If you are so pro-life still, and want everyone to live, would you like to be attacked and killed AGAIN by the same group?

This is why your soldiers should stay where they are untill there is total peace. There are still rebel groups the middle east, and I promise you they will reform if the United States and the other involved countries leave.

Finish What You Start

Thats all i can say

*discuss*

clash76-grunger

generall total peace

Everyone says war is bad, yet the people who dievolunteerfor it and know what's at risk. Yet more people have been murdered in the US during the war then soldiers in Iraq. Yet politics pays no attention to it. Funny don't you think?cryptosopoidium

Not declaring war in self-defence would be cowardly and wrong. Every government has an obligation to protect their own.

And about the abortion thing... that's such a huge subject that it deserves it's own thread.

Not declaring war in self-defence would be cowardly and wrong. Every government has an obligation to protect their own.

And about the abortion thing... that's such a huge subject that it deserves it's own thread.

Hungry_bunny

But this war was not self defense. If we were going after bin laden, I would have been all for it. But that is not the case. You barely even hear his name anymore.

Well I'm partly with the TC on this. All the damned hippies protesting on capital hill need to stop being so selfish and realize that if we leave Iraq and Afghanistan all hell will break loose and many more people will die. (and besides, the Iraq civilian death rate is like 10 times the U.S. soldier death rate, I don't see why we should be complaining...) hamstergeddon

Did you just cheer the fact that the Iraqi civilian death rate is high?

Well I'm partly with the TC on this. All the damned hippies protesting on capital hill need to stop being so selfish and realize that if we leave Iraq and Afghanistan all hell will break loose and many more people will die. (and besides, the Iraq civilian death rate is like 10 times the U.S. soldier death rate, I don't see why we should be complaining...) hamstergeddon

[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]

Not declaring war in self-defence would be cowardly and wrong. Every government has an obligation to protect their own.

And about the abortion thing... that's such a huge subject that it deserves it's own thread.

TBoogy

But this war was not self defense. If we were going after bin laden, I would have been all for it. But that is not the case. You barely even hear his name anymore.

[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]

Not declaring war in self-defence would be cowardly and wrong. Every government has an obligation to protect their own.

And about the abortion thing... that's such a huge subject that it deserves it's own thread.

TBoogy

But this war was not self defense. If we were going after bin laden, I would have been all for it. But that is not the case. You barely even hear his name anymore.

I thought the discussion was more general, should have read more closely >.>

I was reading comments on youtube for the song, War (What is it good for?) By Edwin Starr

Alot of the comments portray that they are all for life, against abortion, and strongly against war.......These people are selfish and narrow minded.

Why?

If you are so pro-life, tell me what happened on 9/11. Tell me what was happening in the middle east before America went to war with them.

War. What happens in War? People Die.

Are you still pro-life? Do you still want everyone to live?

There are people that kill eachother in another country, and it doesn't bother you much, but when your leader has soldiers do it, its outrageous.

My statement, You have to take some lives to save more.

I can promise you +50% of the Iraqi's and Afghan troops have taken lives before they were killed themselves.

If you are so pro-life still, and want everyone to live, would you like to be attacked and killed AGAIN by the same group?

This is why your soldiers should stay where they are untill there is total peace. There are still rebel groups the middle east, and I promise you they will reform if the United States and the other involved countries leave.

Finish What You Start

Thats all i can say

*discuss*

clash76-grunger

You have a point here, but unfortunately I can garuntee you that you will not get through to the liberal majority that has plagued our country over the past few years. Everyone has already forgotten about 9/11, it doesn't matter to anyone anymore. To see how bad it's become, look at how well Barack Obama is doing in his campaign. Just a few years ago, our country was brutally attacked by Muslim extremists, and now we have a Muslim with a very shady past (I still have not heard any explanation to his connections with a Muslim extremist group in the Phillipines) who looks like he has a good chance of running this country. A media created star. He's done nothing, he stands for "Change" but has yet to explain what this "change" will be. He has never been in the military, and that has still not been questioned. This is a media created rockstar that's going to destroy us, and nobody seems to care. All of a sudden, if you don't unconditionally love every Muslim you come across and bash the Bush administration AND the war you're a racist, a communist, and a terrorist. What the hell is happening?!

So i can assume that you seriously believe that the war in the middle east was started to save the poor people there and bring democracy?

So i can assume that you seriously believe that the war in the middle east was started to save the poor people there and bring democracy?

Ninja-Hippo

^ ^ Case in point.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

So i can assume that you seriously believe that the war in the middle east was started to save the poor people there and bring democracy?

RiSkyBiZ-13

^ ^ Case in point.

How is that a case in point? I question obviously flawed logic so that means i'm the liberal majority ruining the country? :roll:

You have a point here, but unfortunately I can garuntee you that you will not get through to the liberal majority that has plagued our country over the past few years. Everyone has already forgotten about 9/11, it doesn't matter to anyone anymore. To see how bad it's become, look at how well Barack Obama is doing in his campaign. Just a few years ago, our country was brutally attacked by Muslim extremists, and now we have a Muslim with a very shady past (I still have not heard any explanation to his connections with a Muslim extremist group in the Phillipines) who looks like he has a good chance of running this country. A media created star. He's done nothing, he stands for "Change" but has yet to explain what this "change" will be. He has never been in the military, and that has still not been questioned. This is a media created rockstar that's going to destroy us, and nobody seems to care. All of a sudden, if you don't unconditionally love every Muslim you come across and bash the Bush administration AND the war you're a racist, a communist, and a terrorist. What the hell is happening?!

RiSkyBiZ-13

9/11 is over and done, it happened because our government gets into things that it has no business getting into. You can't kill every single muslin extremist and by being there you are only creating more. Like i said, read some articles from IVAW in my sig. X360PS3AMD05

I'm going to *honestly* try not to say anything insulting here, despite the fact that this has to be the most idiotic post I've ever seen. These Muslim extremists that killed all of those innocent people, it's OUR government's fault? I do agree with you on the impossibility of killing everyone who hates America, but strategic bombing of their resources, training camps, and weapons cache's is a must.

You have a point here, but unfortunately I can garuntee you that you will not get through to the liberal majority that has plagued our country over the past few years. Everyone has already forgotten about 9/11, it doesn't matter to anyone anymore. To see how bad it's become, look at how well Barack Obama is doing in his campaign. Just a few years ago, our country was brutally attacked by Muslim extremists, and now we have a Muslim with a very shady past (I still have not heard any explanation to his connections with a Muslim extremist group in the Phillipines) who looks like he has a good chance of running this country. A media created star. He's done nothing, he stands for "Change" but has yet to explain what this "change" will be. He has never been in the military, and that has still not been questioned. This is a media created rockstar that's going to destroy us, and nobody seems to care. All of a sudden, if you don't unconditionally love every Muslim you come across and bash the Bush administration AND the war you're a racist, a communist, and a terrorist. What the hell is happening?!

RiSkyBiZ-13

Oh wow. You're saying muslim terrorists exist in the world, therefore a guy who isn't even muslim but simply has a muslim background should not be allowed to have a job in politics? Are you serious? :?

Also, i'm fairly sure stuff like this is why people no longer accept "but 9/11" as a justification for military action:

The were attacking the WORLD TRADE Center, the Pentagon and possibly the White House, they weren't trying to attack the innocent people. Also by being there, our troops have killed even more INNOCENT people.X360PS3AMD05

You're making yourself look worse with this post. The WORLD TRADE Center, despite it's NAME, is a CIVILIAN OPERATION. That is not a military target, they were all civilians who died. Are you seriously trying to justify 9/11 as a legitimate military attack, and then at the same time criticise our own country for innocents killed in Afganistan and Iraq?! WOW!!!

[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

So i can assume that you seriously believe that the war in the middle east was started to save the poor people there and bring democracy?

Ninja-Hippo

^ ^ Case in point.

How is that a case in point? I question obviously flawed logic so that means i'm the liberal majority ruining the country? :roll:

Oh wow. You're saying muslim terrorists exist in the world, therefore a guy who isn't even muslim but simply has a muslim background should not be allowed to have a job in politics? Are you serious? :?

Also, i'm fairly sure stuff like this is why people no longer accept "but 9/11" as a justification for military action:

Ninja-Hippo

I'm saying Obama is a media created Rockstar, he's done NOTHING! He has never been in the military, which has not been challenged. For the average person, it doesn't mean anything if you've never served but for the Commander in Chief, the one in charge of the Armed Forces, the media ALWAYS attacks a presidential candidate if they've never served. Why have they not even touched on that topic with Obama? Also, with your "obviously credible" bar graph there, Iraqis are killing Iraqis. Suicide bombings, IED's, the VAST majority of civilian deaths in Iraq are caused by terrorists!

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]9/11 is over and done, it happened because our government gets into things that it has no business getting into. You can't kill every single muslin extremist and by being there you are only creating more. Like i said, read some articles from IVAW in my sig. RiSkyBiZ-13

I'm going to *honestly* try not to say anything insulting here, despite the fact that this has to be the most idiotic post I've ever seen. These Muslim extremists that killed all of those innocent people, it's OUR government's fault? I do agree with you on the impossibility of killing everyone who hates America, but strategic bombing of their resources, training camps, and weapons cache's is a must.

He's not blaming the government. He's trying to point out that muslim extremists who hate america dont do so because "they hate freedom" like george dubbya likes to say. They hate america for very understandable reasons which are never really explained to people on the news.

The first wave of attacks on Iraq for example, saw thousands of men pulled from their houses in the middle of the nights and locked up in prison without charge. Every day their children and wives would go to the gates of the detention centre to see if they'd be let out. The guards let out two every day. Out of thousands.

Why? Because it was too hard to find out who was a Saddam supporter and who wasn't. So they literally just went about rounding up men and imprisoning them until conflict in their area was over. If a foreigner pulled you from your home in the middle of night and imprisoned you for months, surely you'd be happy to go and join a military group seeking to attack said country?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

So i can assume that you seriously believe that the war in the middle east was started to save the poor people there and bring democracy?

Mr_sprinkles

^ ^ Case in point.

How is that a case in point? I question obviously flawed logic so that means i'm the liberal majority ruining the country? :roll:

I believe it's the left wing that buys what the media feeds them, as easily as a 14 year old girl watching MTV. Sad.

I believe it's the left wing that buys what the media feeds them, as easily as a 14 year old girl watching MTV. Sad.

RiSkyBiZ-13

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

Oh wow. You're saying muslim terrorists exist in the world, therefore a guy who isn't even muslim but simply has a muslim background should not be allowed to have a job in politics? Are you serious? :?

Also, i'm fairly sure stuff like this is why people no longer accept "but 9/11" as a justification for military action:

RiSkyBiZ-13

I'm saying Obama is a media created Rockstar, he's done NOTHING! He has never been in the military, which has not been challenged. For the average person, it doesn't mean anything if you've never served but for the Commander in Chief, the one in charge of the Armed Forces, the media ALWAYS attacks a presidential candidate if they've never served. Why have they not even touched on that topic with Obama? Also, with your "obviously credible" bar graph there, Iraqis are killing Iraqis. Suicide bombings, IED's, the VAST majority of civilian deaths in Iraq are caused by terrorists!

If you want to challenge the credibility go google the reports released by the US government which the figures are derived from. :roll:

And no; it's not Iraqis killing Iraqis at all. More american soldiers have died in Iraq than people died in 9/11. And 65% or Iraqi civilian casualites have occured due to US bombing. And again, that's in a US military report. So yeah i'd agree that it is "obviously credible" thanks. VAST majority caused by terrorists? You cant just invent facts. It doesn't work that way.

Either way, the very simple fact here is that these people would not be dead had it not been for the invasion. Fact.

I believe it's the left wing that buys what the media feeds them, as easily as a 14 year old girl watching MTV. Sad.

RiSkyBiZ-13

When so many people complain that fox news lacks objectivity and balance? Yeah, i'm sure the liberal folk complaining about that are all for just swallowing whatever they're told.

And obviously no conservative news has sway over you; seeing as we shouldnt let muslims or people who werent in the army run for president.

but the argument is, should they have started it in the first place?

anyway if it's a peacekeeping force they want they should hand it ovwer to the UN

but the argument is, should they have started it in the first place?

anyway if it's a peacekeeping force they want they should hand it ovwer to the UN

markop2003

Agreed, but thing about these crazy right wingers that still support the war is that they are people that despise the U.N. So they don't want to see that happen either.

[QUOTE="clash76-grunger"]

I was reading comments on youtube for the song, War (What is it good for?) By Edwin Starr

Alot of the comments portray that they are all for life, against abortion, and strongly against war.......These people are selfish and narrow minded.

Why?

If you are so pro-life, tell me what happened on 9/11. Tell me what was happening in the middle east before America went to war with them.

War. What happens in War? People Die.

Are you still pro-life? Do you still want everyone to live?

There are people that kill eachother in another country, and it doesn't bother you much, but when your leader has soldiers do it, its outrageous.

My statement, You have to take some lives to save more.

I can promise you +50% of the Iraqi's and Afghan troops have taken lives before they were killed themselves.

If you are so pro-life still, and want everyone to live, would you like to be attacked and killed AGAIN by the same group?

This is why your soldiers should stay where they are untill there is total peace. There are still rebel groups the middle east, and I promise you they will reform if the United States and the other involved countries leave.

Finish What You Start

Thats all i can say

*discuss*

RiSkyBiZ-13

You have a point here, but unfortunately I can garuntee you that you will not get through to the liberal majority that has plagued our country over the past few years. Everyone has already forgotten about 9/11, it doesn't matter to anyone anymore. To see how bad it's become, look at how well Barack Obama is doing in his campaign. Just a few years ago, our country was brutally attacked by Muslim extremists, and now we have a Muslim with a very shady past (I still have not heard any explanation to his connections with a Muslim extremist group in the Phillipines) who looks like he has a good chance of running this country. A media created star. He's done nothing, he stands for "Change" but has yet to explain what this "change" will be. He has never been in the military, and that has still not been questioned. This is a media created rockstar that's going to destroy us, and nobody seems to care. All of a sudden, if you don't unconditionally love every Muslim you come across and bash the Bush administration AND the war you're a racist, a communist, and a terrorist. What the hell is happening?!

1. There are more conservatives than liberals in this country I'm sure.

2. The government showed that they forgot about 9/11 once they went after Hussein instead of Bin Laden.

3. Obama is not Muslim (and so what if he was), and calling him that is why you are called racist, not because you do not "unconditionally love every Muslim you come across".

4. You haven't heard an explanation to his alleged ties to an extremist group because anyone with any sense knows it's bullsh*t likely created by conservatives.

5. He has done enough (and not done the "right" things, too), and he has stated what he wants to change and how he plans to go about doing it, but you won't hear him even if he calls you to personally lay out his plans because you want to hate him.

6. So what if he has never served in the military. Neither have I. Doesn't mean much. Should not have been questioned.

7. If bush didn't destroy us, no one can.

(But I do love the fact that republicans are coming to terms with the fact that President Obama will be sworn in next year. ;-) )

I think the biggest injustice to 9/11 victims is the fact that politicians and conservatives like Bill O'Reilly continually use the event to tug on the heart strings and drum up support to force their own shallow agendas on people. I'll never forget that interview where somebody pointed out to Bill O'Reilly that the war on terror was joke, in so much that genuine terror plots in the US have skyrocketed since the so-called "war on terror" began. So really, it's done nothing but INCREASE hostility and dislike towards the american government, and has only served to kill hundreds of thousands of civililans, thousands of american and other troops, while actually making the situation worse.

And then he mentions 9/11. Audience give him an applause. Bill O'Reilly wins.

Joke.