Nascar: A sport or not?

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#101 F1_2004
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[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

[QUOTE="ThePerro"]

Throw a ball in the race track and it will be considered a sport.

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Lol. They need to remove the left turn only tracks and stop useing cars that aren't even an attempt at progression in technology, then maybe.

That "dated" technology that is in use is part of the competition. It puts humans into actually doing something to make the car perform verses tweaking a chip that alters the fuel flow or worse, enhances traction or transmission shift points so all the driver has to do is basically ride along. Have you ever wondered why most drivers from Indy Car or F1 have not done so well in NASCAR (there are a few exceptions like Mario Andretti and Juan Pablo Montoya)? They don't know how to drive a real race car.

Are you effing kidding me? All the F1 dropouts go to NASCAR and do quite well. Meanwhile some NASCAR "good" drivers have tried F1 and failed miserably. How many NASCAR drivers have been successful in F1? Absolutely none. F1 is superior in every way, from the technology, to driver skill, driver conditioning, engineering, team management, tire management, venues, and everything in between. Controlled handling in F1 is a thing of the past, there's no more traction control or similar things. Please do not imply to the un-knowledgeable OT community that NASCAR requires more talent than F1.
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#102 JustPlainLucas
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But majority wise, they just make left turns around the loopdy-loops!

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And soccer players run back and forth the entire game. And bowlers throw a ball down the same lane at least 12 times in one game. And ski jumpers slide down a hill and off a ramp all day. There is monotony in just about every sport out there. This doesn't take away from the fact that NASCAR is a physically draining sport that requires skill and reflexes.
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#103 Chogyam
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Greatest competition ever! haha

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#104 Lockedge
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[QUOTE="gpuFX16"]

[QUOTE="MetallicaKings"] hehe i second thisMetallicaKings



NASCAR routinely goes to road courses (left and right turns) every year or so. Last year, I know for a fact they visited Road America (fantastic circuit btw) - 4 mile road course, 14 turns, very high-speed circuit.

But majority wise, they just make left turns around the loopdy-loops!

:O I think you're onto something! Add NASCAR to my list of sports conspiracies!

How can NASCAR be a sport when all they do is turn left?

How can soccer be a sport when all they do is run around and kick a ball aimlessly?

How can running be a sport when I do that for 30 minutes every morning? Track and Field = me jumping over plants and small bushes and children when I'm running across the park.

How can poker be a sport when Magic The Gathering is endlessly more tactical and complex, and pale, sickly, unathletic people play MTG?

How can tennis be a sport? It's hackeysack with a larger surface to hit the sack with(and the sack is a ball in tennis too).

How can football be a sport when it's basically two teams of red rover combined with the childish game of catch?

I have a bunch of others too! We need to let people know! CONSPIRACIES

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#105 gpuFX16
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[QUOTE="gpuFX16"]

[QUOTE="MetallicaKings"] hehe i second thisMetallicaKings



NASCAR routinely goes to road courses (left and right turns) every year or so. Last year, I know for a fact they visited Road America (fantastic circuit btw) - 4 mile road course, 14 turns, very high-speed circuit.

But majority wise, they just make left turns around the loopdy-loops!



But they still go to the road courses. I actually remember that NASCAR went to Watkins Glen last year as well. That's two. And some of the left-turn only 'loopdy loops' are not loops at all but rather tri-ovals, which as the name would suggest, resemble triangles more than circles. (Yes, I know this argument is painfully simple, but so was 'loops'. No offense to you, just pointing that out.)

To the poster who said a 300-pund person could drive NASCAR- possibly, if they were fit enough. But I know that would NEVER fly in F1- the cars are built to be extremely lightweight, and 300 pounds would be more an extra full tank of fuel, costing precious seconds to lap times. You'd be anywhere from half to a full second or more slower around a track, which does not seem like much, but consider: a second a lap slower, 20 laps later, you are 20 seconds behind. An eternity in motorsport.

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#106 Lockedge
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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] Lol. They need to remove the left turn only tracks and stop useing cars that aren't even an attempt at progression in technology, then maybe.

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That "dated" technology that is in use is part of the competition. It puts humans into actually doing something to make the car perform verses tweaking a chip that alters the fuel flow or worse, enhances traction or transmission shift points so all the driver has to do is basically ride along. Have you ever wondered why most drivers from Indy Car or F1 have not done so well in NASCAR (there are a few exceptions like Mario Andretti and Juan Pablo Montoya)? They don't know how to drive a real race car.

Are you effing kidding me? All the F1 dropouts go to NASCAR and do quite well. Meanwhile some NASCAR "good" drivers have tried F1 and failed miserably. How many NASCAR drivers have been successful in F1? Absolutely none. F1 is superior in every way, from the technology, to driver skill, driver conditioning, engineering, team management, tire management, venues, and everything in between. Controlled handling in F1 is a thing of the past, there's no more traction control or similar things. Please do not imply to the un-knowledgeable OT community that NASCAR requires more talent than F1.

It's true that the chip-controlled cars aren't in F1 anymore. They IMHO were a huge taint on the series, and I was ecstatic when they were kicked. I will say that both F1 and NASCAR offer different challenges and I'd say they're pretty equal in terms of difficult, once you get down to the nitty gritty. F1 is still (IMO) more enjoyable to watch, but I only watch the start of the season. I hate the team idea in F1 and it ruins everything for me. It might even be worse than NASCAR's ludicrously terrible playoff format.
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#107 gpuFX16
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[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] Lol. They need to remove the left turn only tracks and stop useing cars that aren't even an attempt at progression in technology, then maybe.

Lockedge

That "dated" technology that is in use is part of the competition. It puts humans into actually doing something to make the car perform verses tweaking a chip that alters the fuel flow or worse, enhances traction or transmission shift points so all the driver has to do is basically ride along. Have you ever wondered why most drivers from Indy Car or F1 have not done so well in NASCAR (there are a few exceptions like Mario Andretti and Juan Pablo Montoya)? They don't know how to drive a real race car.

Are you effing kidding me? All the F1 dropouts go to NASCAR and do quite well. Meanwhile some NASCAR "good" drivers have tried F1 and failed miserably. How many NASCAR drivers have been successful in F1? Absolutely none. F1 is superior in every way, from the technology, to driver skill, driver conditioning, engineering, team management, tire management, venues, and everything in between. Controlled handling in F1 is a thing of the past, there's no more traction control or similar things. Please do not imply to the un-knowledgeable OT community that NASCAR requires more talent than F1.

It's true that the chip-controlled cars aren't in F1 anymore. They IMHO were a huge taint on the series, and I was ecstatic when they were kicked. I will say that both F1 and NASCAR offer different challenges and I'd say they're pretty equal in terms of difficult, once you get down to the nitty gritty. F1 is still (IMO) more enjoyable to watch, but I only watch the start of the season. I hate the team idea in F1 and it ruins everything for me. It might even be worse than NASCAR's ludicrously terrible playoff format.

I will agree that the team status in F1 does kill the enjoyment at times, perfectly understandable. (Look no further than Ferrari at Germany last year). I'd imagine you'd be more pissed off at the 2011 F1 regulations- moveable rear wings to increase passing. Terrible idea, IMO. Makes the racing almost artificial. There's so much talent in the current field, and the FIA continues to find ways to dampen it somehow.

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#108 F1_2004
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I don't see how you can say NASCAR and F1 are equal in terms of difficulty. NASCAR is turning left on a cambered road. F1 cars require so much more handling and control. F1 drivers experience much more severe g forces and temperatures (racing out in the desert on several tracks).
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#109 Lockedge
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I don't see how you can say NASCAR and F1 are equal in terms of difficulty. NASCAR is turning left on a cambered road. F1 cars require so much more handling and control. F1 drivers experience much more severe g forces and temperatures (racing out in the desert on several tracks). F1_2004
With regulations to prevent how much you can hinder someone from passing you, the racing aspect is mutated into a partial time trial. Teams can tell members to let other teammates pass them. Pit crews in F1 barely have to do anything during stops. The racing field is shallow, and once it gets a few laps in, arguably 70% of the competition is out of the running. F1 cars are harder to drive. NASCAR is a more difficult competition. It evens out in the end.
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#110 F1_2004
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[QUOTE="F1_2004"]I don't see how you can say NASCAR and F1 are equal in terms of difficulty. NASCAR is turning left on a cambered road. F1 cars require so much more handling and control. F1 drivers experience much more severe g forces and temperatures (racing out in the desert on several tracks). Lockedge
With regulations to prevent how much you can hinder someone from passing you, the racing aspect is mutated into a partial time trial. Teams can tell members to let other teammates pass them. Pit crews in F1 barely have to do anything during stops. The racing field is shallow, and once it gets a few laps in, arguably 70% of the competition is out of the running. F1 cars are harder to drive. NASCAR is a more difficult competition. It evens out in the end.

This is not true, the racing line is always heavily contested, the hindering applies mainly to someone behind you. Going side by side on the approach to a turn is much more fun than watching the guy in front shadow the guy behind like they're drunk or something. NASCAR is just drafting back and forth, and with that much drafting you have to be allowed to block the guy behind you or the two of you will just yo-yo and alternate positions. Teams can tell their members to let other teammates pass in NASCAR too, can't they? Technically it's illegal in both sports, in practice anyone can do it if they make it look authentic enough. Pit crews in F1 have to do pretty much the same thing as in NASCAR, only a hundred times faster. OK they removed refueling, that just means the mechanics work that much faster and are that much more critical, as previously the fuel was holding up the pit stop. Pit stops in F1 are extremely important, much more exciting than watching a NASCAR pitstop with caveman tools. I don't really know enough about the competition in NASCAR, but the fact that F1 is a competition of drivers AND car manufacturers just makes it twice as interesting in my eyes. Constant technical development throughout a season, battle of the top drivers, battle of the constructors, battle of the teammates. The competition is multi-faceted, as opposed to a bunch of dudes running the approximately same car and draft-overtaking each other continuously.
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#111 worlock77
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I'd say not. Sports generally require athletic ability and nascar just involves driving a car. I could be a nascar driver! :D

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:lol: No you couldn't.

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#112 Lockedge
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[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="F1_2004"]I don't see how you can say NASCAR and F1 are equal in terms of difficulty. NASCAR is turning left on a cambered road. F1 cars require so much more handling and control. F1 drivers experience much more severe g forces and temperatures (racing out in the desert on several tracks). F1_2004
With regulations to prevent how much you can hinder someone from passing you, the racing aspect is mutated into a partial time trial. Teams can tell members to let other teammates pass them. Pit crews in F1 barely have to do anything during stops. The racing field is shallow, and once it gets a few laps in, arguably 70% of the competition is out of the running. F1 cars are harder to drive. NASCAR is a more difficult competition. It evens out in the end.

This is not true, the racing line is always heavily contested, the hindering applies mainly to someone behind you. Going side by side on the approach to a turn is much more fun than watching the guy in front shadow the guy behind like they're drunk or something. NASCAR is just drafting back and forth, and with that much drafting you have to be allowed to block the guy behind you or the two of you will just yo-yo and alternate positions. Teams can tell their members to let other teammates pass in NASCAR too, can't they? Technically it's illegal in both sports, in practice anyone can do it if they make it look authentic enough. Pit crews in F1 have to do pretty much the same thing as in NASCAR, only a hundred times faster. OK they removed refueling, that just means the mechanics work that much faster and are that much more critical, as previously the fuel was holding up the pit stop. Pit stops in F1 are extremely important, much more exciting than watching a NASCAR pitstop with caveman tools. I don't really know enough about the competition in NASCAR, but the fact that F1 is a competition of drivers AND car manufacturers just makes it twice as interesting in my eyes. Constant technical development throughout a season, battle of the top drivers, battle of the constructors, battle of the teammates. The competition is multi-faceted, as opposed to a bunch of dudes running the approximately same car and draft-overtaking each other continuously.

I suppose I'll just have to say we disagree. *shrug* -"Maneuvers liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted" The FIA added that drivers will be asked to allow their faster rivals to overtake them "at the first available opportunity" and will face sanctions from race stewards if they fail to adhere to the rule. I just see this is a cheap way to say "Get out of the way if you're not fast enough" rather than fighting for position. -"Formula One also dropped its ban on team orders Friday, making it legal next season for a team to instruct one of its drivers to let a teammate pass. Ferrari was fined $100,000 this season because Felipe Massa let teammate Fernando Alonso overtake him to win the German Grand Prix after receiving radio messages from the team. Alonso was ahead of Massa in the overall standings at the time, and the victory boosted his chances of winning the championship - although he eventually fell short to Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel. FIA did not strip Alonso of the victory or dock the team points and said it would review the ban on team orders, which was introduced following the 2002 season after Ferrari ordered Rubens Barrichello to hand victory to Michael Schumacher in the Austrian Grand Prix." In F1 it's allowed now. I recall switching F1 off after Barrichello gave the victory to Schumacher. I don't think I watched F1 for at least a year and a bit after that, I was so disgusted. Now that it's legal again after an equivalent incident occurred, where they could have enforced the rules but didn't? Shameful. That wouldn't happen in NASCAR, where teammates go neck and neck for the win. If a team owner told one of the drivers to let his teammate by, giving the other teammate a win or a better shot at it in the final laps....99.9% chance that request would be ignored. Most that would happen would be the teammates agree to draft until they close on the leader, and then it's anyone's game. I'll disagree on pitstops. F1 guys have less work to do, albeit less time to do it in. I just find the pit strategy in NASCAR to be slightly more interesting and involved. For instance, it's pretty easy to change a tire when all you have to loosen is a single wheel nut, compared to 5 in Nascar IIRC. F1 is drivers + manufacturers. Same in Nascar, except it isn't the actual companies themselves supplying the engines. Hell, most NASCAR tech is the same across the board, which makes tuning and driving that much more important. F1 could have an amazing driver using crap tech, going unnoticed. NASCAR could too, but chances are, that driver would get a few top tens or 15s for his efforts. There's more parity in NASCAR, even if that one dude keeps winning each year(JJ and his team are insanely good at what they do). Personally, I think if 30+ cars could be fielded in F1, it would make the races better...so long as the 30 were all relatively close in quality. That's what F1 is lacking(well, I haven't watched in a year, no TV in my apt, but through my days of watching). There's a complete lack of depth in competition. It quickly boils down to 3 or 4 cars to watch for each season. There's rarely any surprises, and while the racing is fun to watch, it's lost that excitement for me.
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#113 htekemerald
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Driving a car a sport? :lol:

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#114 worlock77
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Driving a car a sport? :lol:

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"Oh look their turning left! Oh look their turning left again! OMG what can happen next the suspense is killing" Guy#2: "He turns left AGain!
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#116 worlock77
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"Oh look their turning left! Oh look their turning left again! OMG what can happen next the suspense is killing" Guy#2: "He turns left AGain!MgamerBD

Any sport is repetitious if you want to stupidly break it down.

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All they do is turn left and they still find a way to crash so no.
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#118 HAZE-Unit
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its a sport.

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#119 Lockedge
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All they do is turn left and they still find a way to crash so no.angrules23
Eh, in soccer, all they do is kick a ball around and they still find a way to get hurt and writhe in agony, so no. In football, all they do is toss a ball over a bunch of people, yet they still find a way to drop the ball, so no. In basketball, all they do is toss a ball in a hoop, yet they still manage to miss free-throws, so no.
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[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]"Oh look their turning left! Oh look their turning left again! OMG what can happen next the suspense is killing" Guy#2: "He turns left AGain!worlock77

Any sport is repetitious if you want to stupidly break it down.

Wow you have such a left way of thinking. Just like Nascar! :o
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#121 angrules23
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[QUOTE="angrules23"]All they do is turn left and they still find a way to crash so no.Lockedge
Eh, in soccer, all they do is kick a ball around and they still find a way to get hurt and writhe in agony, so no. In football, all they do is toss a ball over a bunch of people, yet they still find a way to drop the ball, so no. In basketball, all they do is toss a ball in a hoop, yet they still manage to miss free-throws, so no.

Maybe but those sports are actually exciting to watch and even better to play. I'm bored out of my mind watching nascar and i can tell you i'd rather have a go in an f1 car than drive around in circles in a ford.
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#122 Easports48
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Yay. Just because a driver turns left does not mean he is not a athlete. I love nascar and F1.
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#123 TINYOWNSYOU
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I would call it a form of entertainment instead. It seems pretty easy to me.

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#124 PizzaLmao
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If they start doing something besides make left turns then it can be a sport.

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#125 jimy1475
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was watching a bit when montoya moved to nascar, so i was intrested into tracks were they were turning right and left

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#126 KeitekeTokage
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Sports require athletism.

Unless someone can point out why Nascar takes any more effort than you're morning comute to work (If anything the drive to work takes more with all the ass-hats on the roads) then it remains: A form of entertainment.

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Nope

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Sports require athletism.

Unless someone can point out why Nascar takes any more effort than you're morning comute to work (If anything the drive to work takes more with all the ass-hats on the roads) then it remains: A form of entertainment.

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Because you don't drive to work at 200mph?
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[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"]

Sports require athletism.

Unless someone can point out why Nascar takes any more effort than you're morning comute to work (If anything the drive to work takes more with all the ass-hats on the roads) then it remains: A form of entertainment.

Ravensmash

Because you don't drive to work at 200mph?

lol I'm surprised no-one has mentioned that MotoGP is the hardest.

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#130 worlock77
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Sports require athletism.

Unless someone can point out why Nascar takes any more effort than you're morning comute to work (If anything the drive to work takes more with all the ass-hats on the roads) then it remains: A form of entertainment.

KeitekeTokage

*sigh*

Here, yet again:http://www.buzzle.com/articles/nascar-the-drivers-physical-conditioning.html

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[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"]

Sports require athletism.

Unless someone can point out why Nascar takes any more effort than you're morning comute to work (If anything the drive to work takes more with all the ass-hats on the roads) then it remains: A form of entertainment.

worlock77

*sigh*

Here, yet again:http://www.buzzle.com/articles/nascar-the-drivers-physical-conditioning.html

That doesn't matter; it's still the most dullest thing in the world.

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#132 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"]

Sports require athletism.

Unless someone can point out why Nascar takes any more effort than you're morning comute to work (If anything the drive to work takes more with all the ass-hats on the roads) then it remains: A form of entertainment.

CBR600-RR

*sigh*

Here, yet again:http://www.buzzle.com/articles/nascar-the-drivers-physical-conditioning.html

That doesn't matter; it's still the most dullest thing in the world.

It does matter when you're claiming that it requires no athletism and no more effort than a morning commute. Whether you find it enjoyable or not is of no relevance to the question.

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#133 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"]

Sports require athletism.

Unless someone can point out why Nascar takes any more effort than you're morning comute to work (If anything the drive to work takes more with all the ass-hats on the roads) then it remains: A form of entertainment.

worlock77

*sigh*

Here, yet again:http://www.buzzle.com/articles/nascar-the-drivers-physical-conditioning.html

You must never commute during the summer.

It's hilarious that anyone could think sitting behind a wheel qualifies as a sport.

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#134 WhiteKnight77
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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] Lol. They need to remove the left turn only tracks and stop useing cars that aren't even an attempt at progression in technology, then maybe.

F1_2004

That "dated" technology that is in use is part of the competition. It puts humans into actually doing something to make the car perform verses tweaking a chip that alters the fuel flow or worse, enhances traction or transmission shift points so all the driver has to do is basically ride along. Have you ever wondered why most drivers from Indy Car or F1 have not done so well in NASCAR (there are a few exceptions like Mario Andretti and Juan Pablo Montoya)? They don't know how to drive a real race car.

Are you effing kidding me? All the F1 dropouts go to NASCAR and do quite well. Meanwhile some NASCAR "good" drivers have tried F1 and failed miserably. How many NASCAR drivers have been successful in F1? Absolutely none. F1 is superior in every way, from the technology, to driver skill, driver conditioning, engineering, team management, tire management, venues, and everything in between. Controlled handling in F1 is a thing of the past, there's no more traction control or similar things. Please do not imply to the un-knowledgeable OT community that NASCAR requires more talent than F1.

I had a big post arguing your points, but I lost it. Grrr.

I have yet to find any evidence of any any driver who went from a NASCAR series to F1, but yet the reverse is true.

I will leave you with this though, if F1 is so great, why don't they have finishes like this?

Carolina Dodge Dealers 400 Finish .002 seconds.

That is .002 seconds or a couple of inches whereas the closest F1 finish is .01 or 1/100 sec.

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#135 comp_atkins
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yes, it is a sport. just a not very interesting one. anyone who claims it is not physically demanding is simply not looking at the facts. it is not like driving you own cushy car on the freeway doing 75mph..

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#136 MillenialFair99
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It's a sport, though I don't like it. F1 kicks ass though.
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#137 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"]

Sports require athletism.

Unless someone can point out why Nascar takes any more effort than you're morning comute to work (If anything the drive to work takes more with all the ass-hats on the roads) then it remains: A form of entertainment.

htekemerald

*sigh*

Here, yet again:http://www.buzzle.com/articles/nascar-the-drivers-physical-conditioning.html

You must never commute during the summer.

It's hilarious that anyone could think sitting behind a wheel qualifies as a sport.

Did you even read the link? Seriously, I don't care if you find it enjoyable or not, but to downplay it like that is just sheer ignorance.

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#138 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

*sigh*

Here, yet again:http://www.buzzle.com/articles/nascar-the-drivers-physical-conditioning.html

worlock77

You must never commute during the summer.

It's hilarious that anyone could think sitting behind a wheel qualifies as a sport.

Did you even read the link? Seriously, I don't care if you find it enjoyable or not, but to downplay it like that is just sheer ignorance.

I did, and nothing in the link qualifies it as a sport.

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#139 redstorm72
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I think a better question is, what is not considered a sport? According to many people on this thread, if it requires any skill whatsoever and the slightest of physical exertion, it is a sport. Is playing Risk a sport? I've got to sit there for hours to play, that requires athleticism. How about beer pong? I've got to be able to throw a ping pong ball accurately, that's hard to do. Is driving 3 hours to Montreal (like I will be doing on Friday) a sport? I've got to maintain concentration that whole time while driving 100km/h + on the highway, and since my heater is broken, I'll be driving in -10 to -20 degree celicus temperatures the whole way. That meets the same criteria as Nascar, so I guess I'm an athlete and I'm playing a sport right?

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#140 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

You must never commute during the summer.

It's hilarious that anyone could think sitting behind a wheel qualifies as a sport.

htekemerald

Did you even read the link? Seriously, I don't care if you find it enjoyable or not, but to downplay it like that is just sheer ignorance.

I did, and nothing in the link qualifies it as a sport.

How does it not qualify? (Plus in posting the link I was refering to the other poster's comment on atheleticism.)

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#141 comp_atkins
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F1 cars are ridiculously difficult to drive, let alone drive well.

for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGUZJVY-sHo

richard hammond is a guy who routinely drives exotic supercars quickly around test tracks and struggled to go fast enough to keep the downforce high and tires and brakes warm enough to even work well...

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#142 CBR600-RR
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Takes more skill to compete in MotoGP and other superbike races.

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#143 Lockedge
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

You must never commute during the summer.

It's hilarious that anyone could think sitting behind a wheel qualifies as a sport.

htekemerald

Did you even read the link? Seriously, I don't care if you find it enjoyable or not, but to downplay it like that is just sheer ignorance.

I did, and nothing in the link qualifies it as a sport.

Nothing qualifies Baseball or basketball as a sport. I throw stuff into my garbage bin across my room all the time. Unless someone can prove pro basketball is any more difficult than me tossing trash into my garbage bin, I don't think basketball can be qualified as a sport. It's just a form of entertainment. Like, "Oh wow, I got it clean in from 20 feet away, that was sweet." Nothing tough about tossing a ball through a hoop, and they even give you a board to bounce it off of, like the wall behind my garbage bin. Easy peasy.
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#144 Lockedge
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Takes more skill to compete in MotoGP and other superbike races.

CBR600-RR
MotoGP = intensity to the max
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#146 CMFreezy
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I would say it's a sport, although one that does not peak my interest.
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#147 deactivated-5e97585ea928c
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I think it's lame nascar can be a sport but starcraft 2 can't be :P
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#149 cody3232
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[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"]

Sports require athletism.

Unless someone can point out why Nascar takes any more effort than you're morning comute to work (If anything the drive to work takes more with all the ass-hats on the roads) then it remains: A form of entertainment.

worlock77

*sigh*

Here, yet again:http://www.buzzle.com/articles/nascar-the-drivers-physical-conditioning.html



I don't know why you keep posting this, just because their enduring physical abuse doesn't mean their putting out any sort of physical activity... Im gonna make a sport where people sit in a sauna all day and whoever can be in there the longest wins.... Virtually zero physical activity involved here.

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#150 legend26
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Nay i say