Huh, I climbed from a middle lower class upbringing to an upper middle class adulthood, and Jandurin's characterization matches my experiencexaosMillionaire----->Poverty----->Middle Class for me
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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="xaos"] Huh, I climbed from a middle lower class upbringing to an upper middle class adulthood, and Jandurin's characterization matches my experiencexaosGreat. But that's not what I was talking about. It's easy to think you did everything on your own and that you some how made a way for yourself. BUT it's not reality. Circumstances aren't the same for everybody. MANY Americans believe that in America there is this ability to move easily between social classes and with some hard work and effort anybody can do it. It's simply not true. It's a lie. Some people do it on a small scale.. some on a large.. BUT most of the population doesn't have those opportunities.. and it's not because they didn't work hard, or didn't make an effort. It's awesome how you speak in generalities and also manage to dismiss my experience as being "not reality." Assertion is not fact, Well, you're experiences aren't reality. I haven't even used my expirences to justify anything I'm saying in this thread.. have I?
[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] small minded thinking and prejudice would lead one to such conclusions.. but it really doesn't work that way.EMOEVOLUTIONHuh, I climbed from a middle lower class upbringing to an upper middle class adulthood, and Jandurin's characterization matches my experience Great. But that's not what I was talking about. It's easy to think you did everything on your own and that you some how made a way for yourself. BUT it's not reality. Circumstances aren't the same for everybody. MANY Americans believe that in America there is this ability to move easily between social classes and with some hard work and effort anybody can do it. It's simply not true. It's a lie. Some people do it on a small scale.. some on a large.. BUT most of the population doesn't have those opportunities.. and it's not because they didn't work hard, or didn't make an effort. life isn't "easy" just because there's a belief that it's "easy" doesn't mean it is or should be. it's whether it's POSSIBLE or not.
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="xaos"] Huh, I climbed from a middle lower class upbringing to an upper middle class adulthood, and Jandurin's characterization matches my experienceJandurinGreat. But that's not what I was talking about. It's easy to think you did everything on your own and that you some how made a way for yourself. BUT it's not reality. Circumstances aren't the same for everybody. MANY Americans believe that in America there is this ability to move easily between social classes and with some hard work and effort anybody can do it. It's simply not true. It's a lie. Some people do it on a small scale.. some on a large.. BUT most of the population doesn't have those opportunities.. and it's not because they didn't work hard, or didn't make an effort. life isn't "easy" just because there's a belief that it's "easy" doesn't mean it is or should be. it's whether it's POSSIBLE or not. Who's talking about easy? Not everybody is on the same playing field. Just because somebody is in bad circumstances doesn't mean they aren't a motivated, hard worker. As valued by industrialized society. But people are so eager to say.. well they just didn't work hard enough, it's their fault their in those circumstances. What a bunch of BS.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] Great. But that's not what I was talking about. It's easy to think you did everything on your own and that you some how made a way for yourself. BUT it's not reality. Circumstances aren't the same for everybody. MANY Americans believe that in America there is this ability to move easily between social classes and with some hard work and effort anybody can do it. It's simply not true. It's a lie. Some people do it on a small scale.. some on a large.. BUT most of the population doesn't have those opportunities.. and it's not because they didn't work hard, or didn't make an effort.EMOEVOLUTIONlife isn't "easy" just because there's a belief that it's "easy" doesn't mean it is or should be. it's whether it's POSSIBLE or not. Who's talking about easy? Not everybody is on the same playing field. Just because somebody is in bad circumstances doesn't mean they aren't a motivated, hard worker. As valued by industrialized society. But people are so eager to say.. well they just didn't work hard enough, it's their fault their in those circumstances. What a bunch of BS. You said, "MANY Americans believe that in America there is this ability to move easily between social classes and with some hard work and effort anybody can do it. It's simply not true"
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] life isn't "easy" just because there's a belief that it's "easy" doesn't mean it is or should be. it's whether it's POSSIBLE or not.JandurinWho's talking about easy? Not everybody is on the same playing field. Just because somebody is in bad circumstances doesn't mean they aren't a motivated, hard worker. As valued by industrialized society. But people are so eager to say.. well they just didn't work hard enough, it's their fault their in those circumstances. What a bunch of BS. You said, "MANY Americans believe that in America there is this ability to move easily between social classes and with some hard work and effort anybody can do it. It's simply not true" Well, they do believe that. It's called the American Dream.. and it's nonsense.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]Well, you're experiences aren't reality.EMOEVOLUTIONWhat? :lol: They aren't. i've never seen someone marginalize so effortlessly :o
Well, they do believe that. It's called the American Dream.. and it's nonsense.EMOEVOLUTIONright, and they're wrong to think it's easy, and they'll learn that, or they won't
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] What? :lol:JandurinThey aren't. i've never seen someone marginalize so effortlessly :o Do I win an award? His experiences are only a very very very small portion of reality. As are mine. I wasn't questioning whether or not what has happened in his life.. but what it really means in the big picture.
Do I win an award? His experiences are only a very very very small portion of reality. As are mine. I wasn't questioning whether or not what has happened in his life.. but what it really means in the big picture.EMOEVOLUTIONWhence did thou come privy to such knowledge? It must be lonely being the only one able to perceive reality*. *correctly
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] Great. But that's not what I was talking about. It's easy to think you did everything on your own and that you some how made a way for yourself. BUT it's not reality. Circumstances aren't the same for everybody. MANY Americans believe that in America there is this ability to move easily between social classes and with some hard work and effort anybody can do it. It's simply not true. It's a lie. Some people do it on a small scale.. some on a large.. BUT most of the population doesn't have those opportunities.. and it's not because they didn't work hard, or didn't make an effort.EMOEVOLUTIONlife isn't "easy" just because there's a belief that it's "easy" doesn't mean it is or should be. it's whether it's POSSIBLE or not. Who's talking about easy? Not everybody is on the same playing field. Just because somebody is in bad circumstances doesn't mean they aren't a motivated, hard worker. As valued by industrialized society. But people are so eager to say.. well they just didn't work hard enough, it's their fault their in those circumstances. What a bunch of BS.Are you generalizing on the other side of the spectrum, so eager to assume that they ARE hard workers when they may not be?
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]Do I win an award? His experiences are only a very very very small portion of reality. As are mine. I wasn't questioning whether or not what has happened in his life.. but what it really means in the big picture.JandurinWhence did thou come privy to such knowledge? It must be lonely being the only one able to perceive reality. OH, I'd humor you on this account, but then you'd get confused, and you'd think I really believed that about myself. Which would mean you'd never understand why I say anything I do. It's what I don't know that allows me to say anything at all. Not what I do know... because really, I don't know a whole lot. AND, I spend most of my time exploring what I don't know, and not what I do.
Are you generalizing on the other side of the spectrum, so eager to assume that they ARE hard workers when they may not be?FragStainsno way dude, everyone knows that those who are paid least work the hardest
OH, I'd humor you on this account, but then you'd get confused, and you'd think I really believed that about myself. Which would mean you'd never understand why I say anything I do. It's what I don't know that allows me to say anything at all. Not what I do know... because really, I don't know a whole lot. AND, I spend most of my time exploring what I don't know, and not what I do.EMOEVOLUTIONYou don't understand me any better than you think I understand you.
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]OH, I'd humor you on this account, but then you'd get confused, and you'd think I really believed that about myself. Which would mean you'd never understand why I say anything I do. It's what I don't know that allows me to say anything at all. Not what I do know... because really, I don't know a whole lot. AND, I spend most of my time exploring what I don't know, and not what I do.JandurinYou don't understand me any better than you think I understand you. and that's not what I said at all.
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="FragStains"]Are you generalizing on the other side of the spectrum, so eager to assume that they ARE hard workers when they may not be?FragStainsI think I do my fair share of generalizing both sides of the spectrum and everything in between..And do you believe that blanket statements are the most accurate way to assess issues? No, but nor am I interested in convincing you or anyone of anything.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]OH, I'd humor you on this account, but then you'd get confused, and you'd think I really believed that about myself. Which would mean you'd never understand why I say anything I do. It's what I don't know that allows me to say anything at all. Not what I do know... because really, I don't know a whole lot. AND, I spend most of my time exploring what I don't know, and not what I do.EMOEVOLUTIONYou don't understand me any better than you think I understand you. and that's not what I said at all. I wasn't responding to your post directly :lol:
That's a nice batch of cash there. Still unfortunate it had to come to this but I guess he'll find another company that will welcome him.
I'd add more to this thread, but until I am assured of my own reality, I think it is best that I keep my own counsel :(xaosI believe in your existence :o I think.
Noo not my favorite late night show NOO how could you nbc how could you start all this crap in the first place this makes me mad:evil: bye conan hope you come on tv again soon:cry:
I read it was 30 Million earlier. That is aloooot of money.
He is keeping 33 million and the rest is going to his staff wow $33 million to not show up to work. I love how Conan walks away the winner despite losing his job.http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/244fb5461a/conan-obrien-great-guest-moments-from-conanfan
A pretty funny compilation, anyone know the girl at the end?
[QUOTE="Jandurin"]my favorite conan moment? F@GERSTROM!!!!AllicrombieI kinda liked when he had Cactus Chef playing "We Didnt Start the Fire" on the flute =P Mine was Stewart vs Colbert vs Conan
[QUOTE="Allicrombie"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]my favorite conan moment? F@GERSTROM!!!!Serraph105I kinda liked when he had Cactus Chef playing "We Didnt Start the Fire" on the flute =P Mine was Stewart vs Colbert vs Conan
Wasn't it just Colbert vs. Conan?
And how I miss the Walker Texas Ranger lever...
he should go to cc after stewart / colbert. that's a better lead in than leno anyway.comp_atkins
He would be on at 12, thats the reason he left NBC.
Besides, there's no way he is going on a channel like Comedy Central. His only option is Fox.
wish i had some popcorn for pages 2-3 of this thread :lol:
anyways, there's not many things i wouldn't do for that much money. actually, aside from kill a man, i think there's nothing i wouldn't do.
Leno's time had run out and passed the torch to Conan and Leno cries then NBC is like " don't worry we will give back your show" Leno is old Conan is hip and fresh NBC executives are idiots.Gunslinger_1988
Leno never cried to have his show back. Had he had it his way, he would have never left the Tonight Show when he did in the first place.
NBC moved around the late-night timeslots, Conan did not like that, so Conan decided HIMSELF that he would just leave NBC, and since the Tonight show is now open again, Jay Leno decided to take it back, since really there is no one else that could. That's why Leno is taking the show back. Not because he whined, but to replace Conan since Conan willingly left after NBC's crap.
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