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@samusbeliskner said:
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@GazaAli: The arstech article also failed to mentioned that the man's daughter was sunbathing in the backyard. She was the one that alerted the man to the drone.

Ky. man arrested after shooting down $1,800 drone hovering over sunbathing daughter

OK this is nothing short of fucking creepy. He had every right to shoot that drone down. I hope he'll sue back for voyeurism.

Uh, I doubt it. He has every right to report the alleged invasion to authorities. Anyone who owns a gun knows that you do not fire it unless you intent to kill, in defense of yourself or someone else. A flying drone poses no physical threat to you.

Yes, he'll just tell the drone to stay in place while they all wait for the authorities to come by. [/sarcasm] lol your knowledge of firearm safety is shit. The real rule you're trying to cite is do not point at anything you're not willing to kill or destroy.

And the shooter in this case really know his gun safety. In a different article, the man mentioned that he shot almost straight up and used #8 birdshots which are consist of tiny 2mm pellets which are virtually harmless when falling back down. FYI celebratory fires (people shooting up into the sky) can be lethal when the bullets fall back down. Not too many people (and shooters) are aware of this. This is why the reckless endangerment charge is bullshit to anyone who's familiar with gun safety. The man did everything he can to minimize the danger while still protecting his privacy.

Blah blah blah blah blah. More gun nut nonsense. He was arrested and will be found guilty and liable. It is illegal to shoot someone elses drone in this situation. You don't "shoot" something to protect your privacy, which he hasn't even demonstrated was violated. Idiotic.

Wrong. It's not illegal to shoot drones. If it were, the shooter would have been charged with that crime. But shooting the drone isn't what he's charged with, he's charged with wanton endangerment and criminal mischief. Later is hard to argue as it requires the state to prove criminal intent in the destruction of property.

It is illegal to shoot at UAV's.

"Whoever willfully…sets fire to, damages, destroys, disables, or wrecks any aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States or any civil aircraft used, operated, or employed in interstate, overseas, or foreign air commerce…shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years or both".

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/32

Wrong again boy genius, personal drones and RC model planes are not public/civil aircraft. We covered this in the first page. Again if shooting the drone was a crime, he would have been charged accordingly, but it's not so shooting drone isn't one of two pending charges. Why don't we use some common sense here?

I guess you disregarded your own advice and decided to stay and see how many times you can be proven wrong in a single thread.

A lot of people disagree with you.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorymcneal/2013/12/10/thankfully-shooting-down-a-drone-will-land-you-in-federal-prison/

bmavna is a moron who doesn't know his ass from first base. He's going to give you some absurd reply that has nothing to do with reality.

Looks your fish for support backfired. lol

Holy shit. Are you that stupid? He posted a link with the federal law that shows shooting one down is illegal. OMG. dude, wow. lmao.

Wrong again. Did you EVEN read the article he linked? Look at the "fine print" at the bottom "*(as opposed to being operated as a model aircraft for recreational purposes, which would leave open the question as to whether Title 18 would apply, thanks to Brendan Schulman for that point of clarification)." The federal law specify that it only applies to public and civil aircraft. If you don't have approval from FAA to categorize your UAVs as civil aircraft, then your UAVs are model aircraft in the eyes of the law, therefore NOT illegal to shoot down, at least not prohibited by current Federal statutes.

Didn't your mommy and daddy ever teach you to always read the fine prints?

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@n64dd said:
@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:

For the third time, private UAVs and RC planes are not considered public/civil aircraft. Otherwise the shooter in this instance would have been charged.

lol. https://www.avinc.com/glossary/civilian_uav

Wow you are extra obtuse today confusing CIVIL with CIVILIAN. Try linking FAA definition not some random commercial site selling UAVs. FAA regulations quotes: "The FAA then stated its current policy regarding UAS based on the following three categories: (1) UAS used as public aircraft; (2) UAS used as civil (not civilian lol) aircraft; and (3) UAS used as model aircraft." Also "with respect to UAS used as model aircraft, the FAA reiterated the operating guidelines in AC 91-57, and further noted that to qualify as a model aircraft, the aircraft would need to be operated purely for recreational or hobby purposes, and within the visual line of sight of the operator." [https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf] [https://www.faa.gov/uas/]

In order for UAVs to be considered civil category you need go through a series of procedures for FAA approval. [https://www.faa.gov/uas/civil_operations/]

That's for drones, not quad copters.

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I think some smart engineer out there should figure out some kind of device that a person could by that shorts out a drone's electronics. I bet they'd sell pretty well.

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I think some smart engineer out there should figure out some kind of device that a person could by that shorts out a drone's electronics. I bet they'd sell pretty well.

Just an energy discharge no projectile? You would need a DARPA grade laser for that shit. It's actually just easier to jam the control but you run the risk of incurring the wrath of another Federal entity, FCC which regulate over air communications. It's against Federal law to use or sell jammers to block radio communication.

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@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:

For the third time, private UAVs and RC planes are not considered public/civil aircraft. Otherwise the shooter in this instance would have been charged.

lol. https://www.avinc.com/glossary/civilian_uav

Wow you are extra obtuse today confusing CIVIL with CIVILIAN. Try linking FAA definition not some random commercial site selling UAVs. FAA regulations quotes: "The FAA then stated its current policy regarding UAS based on the following three categories: (1) UAS used as public aircraft; (2) UAS used as civil (not civilian lol) aircraft; and (3) UAS used as model aircraft." Also "with respect to UAS used as model aircraft, the FAA reiterated the operating guidelines in AC 91-57, and further noted that to qualify as a model aircraft, the aircraft would need to be operated purely for recreational or hobby purposes, and within the visual line of sight of the operator." [https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf] [https://www.faa.gov/uas/]

In order for UAVs to be considered civil category you need go through a series of procedures for FAA approval. [https://www.faa.gov/uas/civil_operations/]

lol. From the very first paragraph.

"Any operation that does not meet the statutory criteria for a public aircraft operation is considered a civil aircraft operation and must be conducted in accordance with all FAA regulations applicable to the operation."

Oh, and just for another dig:

Civil - of or relating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters.

Civilian - of, denoting, or relating to a person not belonging to the armed services or police.

You make it so easy. lol.

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@samusbeliskner:

" They hunt because they enjoy hunting and killing other creatures. "

Interesting belief. Do you base this claim on the fact that you enjoy paying others to kill other creatures for you?

Idiotic reply.

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@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:

For the third time, private UAVs and RC planes are not considered public/civil aircraft. Otherwise the shooter in this instance would have been charged.

lol. https://www.avinc.com/glossary/civilian_uav

Wow you are extra obtuse today confusing CIVIL with CIVILIAN. Try linking FAA definition not some random commercial site selling UAVs. FAA regulations quotes: "The FAA then stated its current policy regarding UAS based on the following three categories: (1) UAS used as public aircraft; (2) UAS used as civil (not civilian lol) aircraft; and (3) UAS used as model aircraft." Also "with respect to UAS used as model aircraft, the FAA reiterated the operating guidelines in AC 91-57, and further noted that to qualify as a model aircraft, the aircraft would need to be operated purely for recreational or hobby purposes, and within the visual line of sight of the operator." [https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf] [https://www.faa.gov/uas/]

In order for UAVs to be considered civil category you need go through a series of procedures for FAA approval. [https://www.faa.gov/uas/civil_operations/]

lol. From the very first paragraph.

"Any operation that does not meet the statutory criteria for a public aircraft operation is considered a civil aircraft operation and must be conducted in accordance with all FAA regulations applicable to the operation."

Oh, and just for another dig:

Civil - of or relating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters.

Civilian - of, denoting, or relating to a person not belonging to the armed services or police.

You make it so easy. lol.

Which part of "The FAA then stated its current policy regarding UAS based on the following three categories:" don't you understand?

Also taken from https://www.faa.gov/uas/:

"Different Types of UAS Operations

  • Public Operations (Governmental)
  • Civil Operations (Non-Governmental)
  • Model Aircraft (Hobby or Recreation only)"

You also completely ignored the requirement process for FAA approval in order for any UAS to be legally considered civil aircraft. Something that no private UAV hobbyist has.

Funny how your definition of civilian meaning not belonging to armed services or police when in fact the link you posted has police UAVs listed as civilian UAVs. This Find out more about Civilian UAV link in your post actually goes to law enforcement UAVs. And policing is often referred to as civil service.

You are so fucking confused that you are posting shit that contradict yourself.

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@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:

For the third time, private UAVs and RC planes are not considered public/civil aircraft. Otherwise the shooter in this instance would have been charged.

lol. https://www.avinc.com/glossary/civilian_uav

Wow you are extra obtuse today confusing CIVIL with CIVILIAN. Try linking FAA definition not some random commercial site selling UAVs. FAA regulations quotes: "The FAA then stated its current policy regarding UAS based on the following three categories: (1) UAS used as public aircraft; (2) UAS used as civil (not civilian lol) aircraft; and (3) UAS used as model aircraft." Also "with respect to UAS used as model aircraft, the FAA reiterated the operating guidelines in AC 91-57, and further noted that to qualify as a model aircraft, the aircraft would need to be operated purely for recreational or hobby purposes, and within the visual line of sight of the operator." [https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf] [https://www.faa.gov/uas/]

In order for UAVs to be considered civil category you need go through a series of procedures for FAA approval. [https://www.faa.gov/uas/civil_operations/]

lol. From the very first paragraph.

"Any operation that does not meet the statutory criteria for a public aircraft operation is considered a civil aircraft operation and must be conducted in accordance with all FAA regulations applicable to the operation."

Oh, and just for another dig:

Civil - of or relating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters.

Civilian - of, denoting, or relating to a person not belonging to the armed services or police.

You make it so easy. lol.

Which part of "The FAA then stated its current policy regarding UAS based on the following three categories:" don't you understand?

Also taken from https://www.faa.gov/uas/:

"Different Types of UAS Operations

  • Public Operations (Governmental)
  • Civil Operations (Non-Governmental)
  • Model Aircraft (Hobby or Recreation only)"

You also completely ignored the requirement process for FAA approval in order for any UAS to be legally considered civil aircraft. Something that no private UAV hobbyist has.

Funny how your definition of civilian meaning not belonging to armed services or police when in fact the link you posted has police UAVs listed as civilian UAVs. This Find out more about Civilian UAV link in your post actually goes to law enforcement UAVs. And policing is often referred to as civil service.

You are so fucking confused that you are posting shit that contradict yourself.

I'm quite civil when I fly my drone. So you can't shoot it down legally.

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Samus being his typical pleasant self.

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@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:

For the third time, private UAVs and RC planes are not considered public/civil aircraft. Otherwise the shooter in this instance would have been charged.

lol. https://www.avinc.com/glossary/civilian_uav

Wow you are extra obtuse today confusing CIVIL with CIVILIAN. Try linking FAA definition not some random commercial site selling UAVs. FAA regulations quotes: "The FAA then stated its current policy regarding UAS based on the following three categories: (1) UAS used as public aircraft; (2) UAS used as civil (not civilian lol) aircraft; and (3) UAS used as model aircraft." Also "with respect to UAS used as model aircraft, the FAA reiterated the operating guidelines in AC 91-57, and further noted that to qualify as a model aircraft, the aircraft would need to be operated purely for recreational or hobby purposes, and within the visual line of sight of the operator." [https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf] [https://www.faa.gov/uas/]

In order for UAVs to be considered civil category you need go through a series of procedures for FAA approval. [https://www.faa.gov/uas/civil_operations/]

lol. From the very first paragraph.

"Any operation that does not meet the statutory criteria for a public aircraft operation is considered a civil aircraft operation and must be conducted in accordance with all FAA regulations applicable to the operation."

Oh, and just for another dig:

Civil - of or relating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters.

Civilian - of, denoting, or relating to a person not belonging to the armed services or police.

You make it so easy. lol.

Which part of "The FAA then stated its current policy regarding UAS based on the following three categories:" don't you understand?

Also taken from https://www.faa.gov/uas/:

"Different Types of UAS Operations

  • Public Operations (Governmental)
  • Civil Operations (Non-Governmental)
  • Model Aircraft (Hobby or Recreation only)"

You also completely ignored the requirement process for FAA approval in order for any UAS to be legally considered civil aircraft. Something that no private UAV hobbyist has.

Funny how your definition of civilian meaning not belonging to armed services or police when in fact the link you posted has police UAVs listed as civilian UAVs. This Find out more about Civilian UAV link in your post actually goes to law enforcement UAVs. And policing is often referred to as civil service.

You are so fucking confused that you are posting shit that contradict yourself.

This thread is regarding the shooting of a UAV that was being used for real estate business purposes. For the past 50 replies you have tried to frame it otherwise. Fail. lol. Dumb ass is dumb.

Then the drone owner broke the law as stated in the FAA regulation, UAS can't be used for anything other than hobby and recreational activities unless he has approval from the FAA which he doesn't since no article made mention of it and shooter has not been charged with a Federal crime.

No matter which ever way you slice and dice it, you are wrong, bottomline is shooter was not charged with shooting of the drone, but rather he was charged endangerment and criminal mischief, latter of which isn't likely to stick as there's no criminal intent. We will wait for everything to unfold in court, but nothing is as sure or as definite as you try to paint it.

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@airshocker said:

Samus being his typical pleasant self.

You know for a self proclaimed liberal, he's very irrational and intolerant. He sounds more like one of kids that think he knows everything at the age 12 than any real liberals I know.

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@n64dd said:
@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:

For the third time, private UAVs and RC planes are not considered public/civil aircraft. Otherwise the shooter in this instance would have been charged.

lol. https://www.avinc.com/glossary/civilian_uav

Wow you are extra obtuse today confusing CIVIL with CIVILIAN. Try linking FAA definition not some random commercial site selling UAVs. FAA regulations quotes: "The FAA then stated its current policy regarding UAS based on the following three categories: (1) UAS used as public aircraft; (2) UAS used as civil (not civilian lol) aircraft; and (3) UAS used as model aircraft." Also "with respect to UAS used as model aircraft, the FAA reiterated the operating guidelines in AC 91-57, and further noted that to qualify as a model aircraft, the aircraft would need to be operated purely for recreational or hobby purposes, and within the visual line of sight of the operator." [https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf] [https://www.faa.gov/uas/]

In order for UAVs to be considered civil category you need go through a series of procedures for FAA approval. [https://www.faa.gov/uas/civil_operations/]

lol. From the very first paragraph.

"Any operation that does not meet the statutory criteria for a public aircraft operation is considered a civil aircraft operation and must be conducted in accordance with all FAA regulations applicable to the operation."

Oh, and just for another dig:

Civil - of or relating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters.

Civilian - of, denoting, or relating to a person not belonging to the armed services or police.

You make it so easy. lol.

Which part of "The FAA then stated its current policy regarding UAS based on the following three categories:" don't you understand?

Also taken from https://www.faa.gov/uas/:

"Different Types of UAS Operations

  • Public Operations (Governmental)
  • Civil Operations (Non-Governmental)
  • Model Aircraft (Hobby or Recreation only)"

You also completely ignored the requirement process for FAA approval in order for any UAS to be legally considered civil aircraft. Something that no private UAV hobbyist has.

Funny how your definition of civilian meaning not belonging to armed services or police when in fact the link you posted has police UAVs listed as civilian UAVs. This Find out more about Civilian UAV link in your post actually goes to law enforcement UAVs. And policing is often referred to as civil service.

You are so fucking confused that you are posting shit that contradict yourself.

I'm quite civil when I fly my drone. So you can't shoot it down legally.

FAA states otherwise. According to their rules you need their approval to be civil, so you have to fly your drone uncivilly and people can shoot it down legally when it's hovering or flying slowly over their properties.

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@bmanva said:
@airshocker said:

Samus being his typical pleasant self.

You know for a self proclaimed liberal, he's very irrational and intolerant. He sounds more like one of kids that think he knows everything at the age 12 than any real liberals I know.

He is, without a doubt, the most intolerant liberal on this website.

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@bmanva said:
@n64dd said:
@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:

For the third time, private UAVs and RC planes are not considered public/civil aircraft. Otherwise the shooter in this instance would have been charged.

lol. https://www.avinc.com/glossary/civilian_uav

Wow you are extra obtuse today confusing CIVIL with CIVILIAN. Try linking FAA definition not some random commercial site selling UAVs. FAA regulations quotes: "The FAA then stated its current policy regarding UAS based on the following three categories: (1) UAS used as public aircraft; (2) UAS used as civil (not civilian lol) aircraft; and (3) UAS used as model aircraft." Also "with respect to UAS used as model aircraft, the FAA reiterated the operating guidelines in AC 91-57, and further noted that to qualify as a model aircraft, the aircraft would need to be operated purely for recreational or hobby purposes, and within the visual line of sight of the operator." [https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf] [https://www.faa.gov/uas/]

In order for UAVs to be considered civil category you need go through a series of procedures for FAA approval. [https://www.faa.gov/uas/civil_operations/]

lol. From the very first paragraph.

"Any operation that does not meet the statutory criteria for a public aircraft operation is considered a civil aircraft operation and must be conducted in accordance with all FAA regulations applicable to the operation."

Oh, and just for another dig:

Civil - of or relating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters.

Civilian - of, denoting, or relating to a person not belonging to the armed services or police.

You make it so easy. lol.

Which part of "The FAA then stated its current policy regarding UAS based on the following three categories:" don't you understand?

Also taken from https://www.faa.gov/uas/:

"Different Types of UAS Operations

  • Public Operations (Governmental)
  • Civil Operations (Non-Governmental)
  • Model Aircraft (Hobby or Recreation only)"

You also completely ignored the requirement process for FAA approval in order for any UAS to be legally considered civil aircraft. Something that no private UAV hobbyist has.

Funny how your definition of civilian meaning not belonging to armed services or police when in fact the link you posted has police UAVs listed as civilian UAVs. This Find out more about Civilian UAV link in your post actually goes to law enforcement UAVs. And policing is often referred to as civil service.

You are so fucking confused that you are posting shit that contradict yourself.

I'm quite civil when I fly my drone. So you can't shoot it down legally.

FAA states otherwise. According to their rules you need their approval to be civil, so you have to fly your drone uncivilly and people can shoot it down legally when it's hovering or flying slowly over their properties.

I'm civil to everyone. I open doors, and help out people cross roads.

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#117  Edited By GazaAli
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@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:

You guys can't be serious:

It'd have been ok if you included someone in a quote not directed to him once or twice, but more than 20 times? You can't be that lazy. Besides, the quote chains have gotten so gigantic to the point of being unreadable.

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@GazaAli: I quit once the quote train starts

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#119 Hood_Honky
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It's safe to say that gun owner side won. Drone owner side, better luck next time.

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I don't blame him for shooting the drone down. Shooting at something up in the sky within city limits is dangerous, though. If you miss, that bullet has to come down sometime somewhere. We need a safer method to disable them.

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#121 Hood_Honky
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@YearoftheSnake5: #8 birdshot, Prolly couldn't get much safer. And that's what he used. That charge will most likely be dropped.

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This is why my drone jammer is ready to rock and roll :).

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@airshocker said:
@bmanva said:
@airshocker said:

Samus being his typical pleasant self.

You know for a self proclaimed liberal, he's very irrational and intolerant. He sounds more like one of kids that think he knows everything at the age 12 than any real liberals I know.

He is, without a doubt, the most intolerant liberal on this website.

And proud of it. Why should anyone with even an ounce of common sense, which is obviously not you two, tolerate the party of stupid and their destructive policies?

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@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@bmanva said:

For the third time, private UAVs and RC planes are not considered public/civil aircraft. Otherwise the shooter in this instance would have been charged.

lol. https://www.avinc.com/glossary/civilian_uav

Wow you are extra obtuse today confusing CIVIL with CIVILIAN. Try linking FAA definition not some random commercial site selling UAVs. FAA regulations quotes: "The FAA then stated its current policy regarding UAS based on the following three categories: (1) UAS used as public aircraft; (2) UAS used as civil (not civilian lol) aircraft; and (3) UAS used as model aircraft." Also "with respect to UAS used as model aircraft, the FAA reiterated the operating guidelines in AC 91-57, and further noted that to qualify as a model aircraft, the aircraft would need to be operated purely for recreational or hobby purposes, and within the visual line of sight of the operator." [https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf] [https://www.faa.gov/uas/]

In order for UAVs to be considered civil category you need go through a series of procedures for FAA approval. [https://www.faa.gov/uas/civil_operations/]

lol. From the very first paragraph.

"Any operation that does not meet the statutory criteria for a public aircraft operation is considered a civil aircraft operation and must be conducted in accordance with all FAA regulations applicable to the operation."

Oh, and just for another dig:

Civil - of or relating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters.

Civilian - of, denoting, or relating to a person not belonging to the armed services or police.

You make it so easy. lol.

Which part of "The FAA then stated its current policy regarding UAS based on the following three categories:" don't you understand?

Also taken from https://www.faa.gov/uas/:

"Different Types of UAS Operations

  • Public Operations (Governmental)
  • Civil Operations (Non-Governmental)
  • Model Aircraft (Hobby or Recreation only)"

You also completely ignored the requirement process for FAA approval in order for any UAS to be legally considered civil aircraft. Something that no private UAV hobbyist has.

Funny how your definition of civilian meaning not belonging to armed services or police when in fact the link you posted has police UAVs listed as civilian UAVs. This Find out more about Civilian UAV link in your post actually goes to law enforcement UAVs. And policing is often referred to as civil service.

You are so fucking confused that you are posting shit that contradict yourself.

This thread is regarding the shooting of a UAV that was being used for real estate business purposes. For the past 50 replies you have tried to frame it otherwise. Fail. lol. Dumb ass is dumb.

Then the drone owner broke the law as stated in the FAA regulation, UAS can't be used for anything other than hobby and recreational activities unless he has approval from the FAA which he doesn't since no article made mention of it and shooter has not been charged with a Federal crime.

No matter which ever way you slice and dice it, you are wrong, bottomline is shooter was not charged with shooting of the drone, but rather he was charged endangerment and criminal mischief, latter of which isn't likely to stick as there's no criminal intent. We will wait for everything to unfold in court, but nothing is as sure or as definite as you try to paint it.

It has already been clearly demonstrated by not only me, but also others that you're just completely wrong. I get that pride is keeping you from admitting it, but why keep denying it?

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@GazaAli: Blame GS for having a shit quote edit interface.

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@airshocker said:
@bmanva said:
@airshocker said:

Samus being his typical pleasant self.

You know for a self proclaimed liberal, he's very irrational and intolerant. He sounds more like one of kids that think he knows everything at the age 12 than any real liberals I know.

He is, without a doubt, the most intolerant liberal on this website.

Calling him a liberal is giving too much credit. That implies he's capable of some level of independent thought process, but I've seen nothing but diatribe and regurgitation of leftist propaganda.

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@samusbeliskner said:

It has already been clearly demonstrated by not only me, but also others that you're just completely wrong. I get that pride is keeping you from admitting it, but why keep denying it?

lol I like how even you are starting to loose confidence in your position so you are seeking support from other people. But who? Nope, you are alone in your lunacy.

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@YearoftheSnake5 said:

I don't blame him for shooting the drone down. Shooting at something up in the sky within city limits is dangerous, though. If you miss, that bullet has to come down sometime somewhere. We need a safer method to disable them.

It was mentioned in a separate article that he used #8 birdshots which don't go up too high and are harmless on the way down. If you done enough trap shooting you've had birdshots rain down on you before.

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@1080pOnly said:

This is why my drone jammer is ready to rock and roll :).

FYI private use and sales of radio communication jamming device are prohibited by federal law.

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@samusbeliskner said:
@airshocker said:
@bmanva said:
@airshocker said:

Samus being his typical pleasant self.

You know for a self proclaimed liberal, he's very irrational and intolerant. He sounds more like one of kids that think he knows everything at the age 12 than any real liberals I know.

He is, without a doubt, the most intolerant liberal on this website.

And proud of it. Why should anyone with even an ounce of common sense, which is obviously not you two, tolerate the party of stupid and their destructive policies?

Dude you give liberals a bad name.....

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@samusbeliskner said:

And proud of it. Why should anyone with even an ounce of common sense, which is obviously not you two, tolerate the party of stupid and their destructive policies?

Because you don't have any. You don't think independently or logically, you just toe the Democrat party line. And jump on anyone who dare to remotely criticizes or questions their reasoning or position. You behave exactly like how the left often characterize the right, intolerant, irrational, willfully ignorant and just generally vitriolic toward those who don't conform to entirety of party ideology.

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@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:

And proud of it. Why should anyone with even an ounce of common sense, which is obviously not you two, tolerate the party of stupid and their destructive policies?

Because you don't have any. You don't think independently or logically, you just toe the Democrat party line. And jump on anyone who dare to remotely criticizes or questions their reasoning or position. You behave exactly like how the left often characterize the right, intolerant, irrational, willfully ignorant and just generally vitriolic toward those who don't conform to entirety of party ideology.

Ahuh.

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@bmanva said:
@samusbeliskner said:

It has already been clearly demonstrated by not only me, but also others that you're just completely wrong. I get that pride is keeping you from admitting it, but why keep denying it?

lol I like how even you are starting to loose confidence in your position so you are seeking support from other people. But who? Nope, you are alone in your lunacy.

The beauty of all this is that every single bit of nonsense you have written is in black and white for everyone to read. Your denial of reality only amuses me.

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@samusbeliskner said:
@airshocker said:
@bmanva said:
@airshocker said:

Samus being his typical pleasant self.

You know for a self proclaimed liberal, he's very irrational and intolerant. He sounds more like one of kids that think he knows everything at the age 12 than any real liberals I know.

He is, without a doubt, the most intolerant liberal on this website.

And proud of it. Why should anyone with even an ounce of common sense, which is obviously not you two, tolerate the party of stupid and their destructive policies?

Yeah...when other liberals on this forum tell you that you give them a bad name, your positions aren't something to be proud of. Sorry.

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@hood_honky said:

@YearoftheSnake5: #8 birdshot, Prolly couldn't get much safer. And that's what he used. That charge will most likely be dropped.

@bmanva said:

It was mentioned in a separate article that he used #8 birdshots which don't go up too high and are harmless on the way down. If you done enough trap shooting you've had birdshots rain down on you before.

Excellent, then. The couple articles I read on this didn't mention that. Glad to hear he was responsible about taking the shot. No problems with me.

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@samusbeliskner said:

blah blah blah. More nonsense form the stupids.

You're not in a position to talk.

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#140 LexLas
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Today's news, no lie. Drones dropping drugs into prison yards ! Dang !

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/drone-drops-drugs-into-prison-yard-sparks-a-fight_55c0e5d2e4b053bc04e91478?

Where's the Drone police ? Lol ..

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@thegerg said:

@bmanva:

What makes you think a paper airplane isn't an aircraft?

If it is, then what isn't an aircraft? If paper airplane is an aircraft, then so is a frisbee or a baseball. I think at some point common sense would have to prevail.

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#143 bmanva
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@thegerg: Then so is a frisbee or baseball even a crumpled piece of paper thrown in the air.

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@bmanva said:
@1080pOnly said:

This is why my drone jammer is ready to rock and roll :).

FYI private use and sales of radio communication jamming device are prohibited by federal law.

Good job I don't live under US federal law then isn't it!