New source of fuel for cars?

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#1 groovdafied
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http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570

Pretty interesting, they found out how to burn salt water, which can help cause a hydrogen reaction. I'm really excited about this, seeing how water is more available then oil, and can definately be more eco-friendly.

Thoughts?

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#2 tevwalker13
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i wonder how much they would charge you for something like that?
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#3 sinistergoggles
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That's pretty awesome. :)
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I really was helping that man when I took a leak in his gas tank! :o
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#5 groovdafied
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i wonder how much they would charge you for something like that?tevwalker13

I dunno, right now they are putting in a request to get funding for further research. This means not having to go internationally to get oil, and having stupid oil accidents in the middle of the ocean, wasting all that fuel.

If you're talking about gas prices though, hopefully it wont be as expensive as it is today. Although it has to meet the economy balance too.

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#6 tevwalker13
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[QUOTE="tevwalker13"]i wonder how much they would charge you for something like that?groovdafied

I dunno, right now they are putting in a request to get funding for further research. This means not having to go internationally to get oil, and having stupid oil accidents in the middle of the ocean, wasting all that fuel.

If you're talking about gas prices though, hopefully it wont be as expensive as it is today. Although it has to meet the economy balance too.

yeah im wondering how high the gas prices will be
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#7 The_Ish
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we'll probably replace natural oil with synthetic oil before we actually switch

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#8 LS07
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That's interesting, but first I think we'll see wide spread use of biofuel, thats pretty far almong in development and it should be available soon.
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#9 blooddemon666
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i'm pretty sure with our current technology

energy used to make reactions > energy created from reactions

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#10 TERMINAT0R1
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Hate to break it to you, but oil companies won't allow it to happen. Sabotage, scandals, assassins, they will find a way to keep logical, enviromental friendly forms of energy from being developed. The only thing that will finally bring an end to oil dependence is when its supply literally runs out. And thanks to the oil companies for not letting anyone develop alternative fuels, it could turn out to be the biggest world panic you could possibly imagine.
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#11 sca321
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i'm pretty sure with our current laws of physics

energy used to make reactions > energy created from reactions

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Fixed. (For this instance anyway.)
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Hate to break it to you, but oil companies won't allow it to happen. Sabotage, scandals, assassins, they will find a way to keep logical, enviromental friendly forms of energy from being developed. The only thing that will finally bring an end to oil dependence is when its supply literally runs out. And thanks to the oil companies for not letting anyone develop alternative fuels, it could turn out to be the biggest world panic you could possibly imagine.TERMINAT0R1

Ya I hear ya, like how the electric car has been around for a very long time, and NOW they just started implementing it into their cars. Mostly because the dealerships buy the plans and destroy them. However seeing that this is under government funding, they can possibly push this as a standard, forcing oil companies to sell out.

we'll probably replace natural oil with synthetic oil before we actually switch

The_Ish

So you're talking about the bio-fuel? Where they managed to turn corn oil into actual working gas, and is more ecofriendly with the exhaust?

All in total, I'm very excited with the new ways of fuel energy, this can really change the world.

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#13 The_Ish
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[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

we'll probably replace natural oil with synthetic oil before we actually switch

groovdafied

So you're talking about the bio-fuel? Where they managed to turn corn oil into actual working gas, and is more ecofriendly with the exhaust?

All in total, I'm very excited with the new ways of fuel energy, this can really change the world.

Not really...I am not entirely sure of the technical terms. By natural oil I meant oil one gets from digging into the Earth, the kind of oil that takes millions of years and great amounts of pressure and heat to create...the kind of oil that is made from what was once living.

When I mean synthetic oil, I mean the kind of oil that is...made...by humans.

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#14 mark4091
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Well right now they're trying to do AE85 for gas engines and Biodiesel.

They can do all sorts of things, but up until now they're hasn't been big concern.

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#15 xtn702
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thats pretty damn awesome
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#16 Devouring_One
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It will only be a matter of time before we start fighting for water.
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#17 mig_killer2
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I hate to break it to you guys but, they dont disclose how much energy was required to generate those radio waves. that thing you saw violates the first law of thermodynamics.
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The funny thing about E85 is that most of the processing plants are so bad that if you look at carbon emission during the whole cycle from harvesting to processing to the car, E85 actually produces more CO2 than regular gas, but the car companies (GM especially) keep talking about lower emissions figures from the car to make people think it's the green way to go. At least some of the new plants are getting better.

In the article they talked about temperatures of 3000 degrees to burn the water...I wonder what they would make the engine out of. Ceramic?

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The funny thing about E85 is that most of the processing plants are so bad that if you look at carbon emission during the whole cycle from harvesting to processing to the car, E85 actually produces more CO2 than regular gas, but the car companies (GM especially) keep talking about lower emissions figures from the car to make people think it's the green way to go. At least some of the new plants are getting better.

In the article they talked about temperatures of 3000 degrees to burn the water...I wonder what they would make the engine out of. Ceramic?

dgbiker1

well I'm more happy about the lower cost, not about the co2 BS that was debunked quite some time ago.

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#21 blooddemon666
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well I'm more happy about the lower cost, not about the co2 BS that was debunked quite some time ago.

mark4091
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'd just like to see this "debunking" for my own eyes.
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#22 groovdafied
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[QUOTE="mark4091"]

well I'm more happy about the lower cost, not about the co2 BS that was debunked quite some time ago.

blooddemon666

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'd just like to see this "debunking" for my own eyes.

Very interesting...

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Hate to break it to you, but oil companies won't allow it to happen. Sabotage, scandals, assassins, they will find a way to keep logical, enviromental friendly forms of energy from being developed. The only thing that will finally bring an end to oil dependence is when its supply literally runs out. And thanks to the oil companies for not letting anyone develop alternative fuels, it could turn out to be the biggest world panic you could possibly imagine.TERMINAT0R1

He's right, this thing is gonna get shot down as soon as possible even though everyone wants it to happen

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#24 0starter0
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Why does no one talk about hydrogen cars anymore?

They personally make the most sense for fuel.

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#25 dgbiker1
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[QUOTE="mark4091"]

well I'm more happy about the lower cost, not about the co2 BS that was debunked quite some time ago.

blooddemon666
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'd just like to see this "debunking" for my own eyes.

Yea what's this debunking you're talking about? If you're talking about total CO2 emissions I'm pretty confident in my source, the official IEEE society magazine. If you're talking about global warming, that's pretty much confirmed to be true except for a few die-hard oil-loving republicans.
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#26 dgbiker1
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Why does no one talk about hydrogen cars anymore?

They personally make the most sense for fuel.

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Yea, I was psyched when I went to Iceland a little over a year ago and there was a hydrogen fueling station in Reykjavik. Their whole energy infrastructure is amazing, they're years, if not decades, ahead of us (USA).
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#27 groovdafied
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[QUOTE="0starter0"]

Why does no one talk about hydrogen cars anymore?

They personally make the most sense for fuel.

dgbiker1

Yea, I was psyched when I went to Iceland a little over a year ago and there was a hydrogen fueling station in Reykjavik. Their whole energy infrastructure is amazing, they're years, if not decades, ahead of us (USA).

That's sad, that everyone else are years ahead of us in eco friendly technology, yet we have to be years ahead of people in the military. :(

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[QUOTE="dgbiker1"][QUOTE="0starter0"]

Why does no one talk about hydrogen cars anymore?

They personally make the most sense for fuel.

groovdafied

Yea, I was psyched when I went to Iceland a little over a year ago and there was a hydrogen fueling station in Reykjavik. Their whole energy infrastructure is amazing, they're years, if not decades, ahead of us (USA).

That's sad, that everyone else are years ahead of us in eco friendly technology, yet we have to be years ahead of people in the military. :(

Yep and all we do is start a war to get more oil :(

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#29 kingman03
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We had it (go watch "Who Killed The Electric Car") but our stupid government detroyed the whole concept. We still have billions of dollars worth of oil yet to use to keep our country at "the top". To keep us viewed as rich world leaders.

American's love HUGE hummers and gas guzzling cars.

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#30 MichaeltheCM
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its called electricity. works great.
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#31 ryancamcam
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Cool but it will probably drain out the whole sea if theyuse it.