new york city college student faces jail time for runescape extortion

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"]I think 15 years is a bit much.Ncsoftlover

Would it still be a bit much if he had threatened the person with a "real" gun?

It would still be too much, yes.

the land of incarcerated have the world's (by far) highest incarceration rate for exactly that reason, handing how hundred years of sentences for often petty crimes.

Nobody gets hundreds of years for petty crimes. If you're going to make up bullsh*t at least try to make it a bit more realistic*.

*Unless, of course, you consider multiple murders "petty".

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"]I think 15 years is a bit much.Ncsoftlover

Would it still be a bit much if he had threatened the person with a "real" gun?

It would still be too much, yes.

the land of incarcerated have the world's (by far) highest incarceration rate for exactly that reason, handing how hundred years of sentences for often petty crimes.

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Would it still be a bit much if he had threatened the person with a "real" gun?

worlock77

It would still be too much, yes.

the land of incarcerated have the world's (by far) highest incarceration rate for exactly that reason, handing how hundred years of sentences for often petty crimes.

Nobody gets hundreds of years for petty crimes. If you're going to make up bullsh*t at least try to make it a bit more realistic*.

*Unless, of course, you consider multiple murders "petty".

In Arizona, people receive more than 200 years in prison for 20 counts of possession(Yes, not producing, simple posession)of child pornography, this is not an individual case, they go by 10 years for each photo, consecutively.

http://althouse.blogspot.ca/2007/02/200-years-for-possessing-20-photographs.html

http://www.svherald.com/content/news/2012/03/18/254428 (240 years for this one)

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/11/justice/florida-stand-ground-sentencing/

of course you know this one, warning shot for abusive husband, 20 years in prison.

Here is an interesting one,

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Okla-teen-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-death/ooqR0TzqUEO558jV6FLQtw.cspx

a 15 year old teen is sentenced to life in prison for breaking into a home and stolen a TV, the home owner shot dead his step brother, the teen is by law convited of first degree murder, and the family now lose two sons in this tragic situations.

And I'm not saying all of these are petty crimes, I'm mainly talking about unreasonable sentencing which resulted in the highest incarceration rate in world

Here's an interesting case

http://www.windsorstar.com/news/Windsor+serving+years+jail+soliciting+online/6458807/story.html

a Canadian man was sentenced to 110 years in prison without parole for talking to a 13 year old girl innapropriately,without actually doing any real harm/ or stepping into that US state yet. Interestingly, for the most part, this young girl doesn't even exist, because it was an undercover police that took over the role.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

It would still be too much, yes.

the land of incarcerated have the world's (by far) highest incarceration rate for exactly that reason, handing how hundred years of sentences for often petty crimes.

Ncsoftlover

Nobody gets hundreds of years for petty crimes. If you're going to make up bullsh*t at least try to make it a bit more realistic*.

*Unless, of course, you consider multiple murders "petty".

In Arizona, people receive more than 200 years in prison for 20 counts of possession(Yes, not producing, simple posession)of child pornography, this is not an individual case, they go by 10 years for each photo, consecutively.

http://althouse.blogspot.ca/2007/02/200-years-for-possessing-20-photographs.html

http://www.svherald.com/content/news/2012/03/18/254428 (240 years for this one)

Child porn is not something I'd consider "petty".

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Nobody gets hundreds of years for petty crimes. If you're going to make up bullsh*t at least try to make it a bit more realistic*.

*Unless, of course, you consider multiple murders "petty".

worlock77

In Arizona, people receive more than 200 years in prison for 20 counts of possession(Yes, not producing, simple posession)of child pornography, this is not an individual case, they go by 10 years for each photo, consecutively.

http://althouse.blogspot.ca/2007/02/200-years-for-possessing-20-photographs.html

http://www.svherald.com/content/news/2012/03/18/254428 (240 years for this one)

Child porn is not something I'd consider "petty".

I added more cases, I consider the simple posession of 20 photoes, whatever photo they may be, (in Canada, this woudn't result even 1 week of jail term), a petty crime, in fact, for someone advocating posession of drugs to not be a crime, I actually think possession of child porn should be treated similary, as a obsession/disorder subjected to mandatory treatment, but not a crime, at least not traditional sense.

Remember, it's the posession (download) of a few photoes, not actually doing anything else, 200 years?

lol runescape

How about this one

3 Strike laws tragically go wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockyer_v._Andrade

Life without parole for 50 years for stealing shop lifting video tapes from k-mart, because of previous convictions which he was already punished for.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

In Arizona, people receive more than 200 years in prison for 20 counts of possession(Yes, not producing, simple posession)of child pornography, this is not an individual case, they go by 10 years for each photo, consecutively.

http://althouse.blogspot.ca/2007/02/200-years-for-possessing-20-photographs.html

http://www.svherald.com/content/news/2012/03/18/254428 (240 years for this one)Ncsoftlover

Child porn is not something I'd consider "petty".

I added more cases, I consider the simple posession of 20 photoes, whatever photo they may be, (in Canada, this woudn't result even 1 week of jail term), a petty crime, in fact, for someone advocating posession of drugs to not be a crime, I actually think possession of child porn should be treated similary, as a obsession/disorder subjected to mandatory treatment, but not a crime, at least not traditional sense.

Remember, it's the posession (download) of a few photoes, not actually doing anything else, 200 years?

Usage fuels the demand, and, unlike drugs, child pornography is not victimless and cannot be made victimless.

How about this one

3 Strike laws tragically go wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockyer_v._Andrade

Life without parole for 50 years for stealing shop lifting video tapes from k-mart, because of previous convictions which he was already punished for.

Ncsoftlover

Incarceration rate in the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_to_1999

http://www.prisonstudies.org/info/worldbrief/wpb_stats.php?area=all&category=wb_poprate

USA : 730/100000 Homicide rate: 4.7/100000

England: 154/100000 Homicide rate: 1.23/100000

Canada : 117/100000 Homicide rate: 1.7/100000

Italy : 108/100000 Homicide rate: 0.87/100000

France: 102/100000 Homicide rate: 1.09/100000

Germany: 83/100000 Homicide rate: 0.81/100000

Switzerland: 76/100000 Homicide rate: 0.66/100000

Finland : 59/100000 Homicide rate: 2.1/100000

Japan: 55/100000 Homicide rate: 0.35/100000

Highest incarceration rate by far, in the world, highest homicide rate in developed world.

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Child porn is not something I'd consider "petty".

worlock77

I added more cases, I consider the simple posession of 20 photoes, whatever photo they may be, (in Canada, this woudn't result even 1 week of jail term), a petty crime, in fact, for someone advocating posession of drugs to not be a crime, I actually think possession of child porn should be treated similary, as a obsession/disorder subjected to mandatory treatment, but not a crime, at least not traditional sense.

Remember, it's the posession (download) of a few photoes, not actually doing anything else, 200 years?

Usage fuels the demand, and, unlike drugs, child pornography is not victimless and cannot be made victimless.

I don't buy it, the Luka Magnotta killing case in Canada attracted more than 3 million video views (accord to a chinese statistic anyway), probably more now. It's a thrill killing partly for online fame, I wonder why aren't these million of people, including me, being sentenced to hundreds of years in prison. For watching a documentary of a crime that clearly has a victim, and such video views clearly demand more thrill killings to be done, so it's not victimless, and definitely fuels demand, why aren't we in prison now? Simple, you can't catch this many people, you can't afford to imprison this many, same goes to drug posession.

But when it comes to pedophiles (society's most hated group), the attitude is immediately different. To me, posession of these photoes are no different than posession of drugs (you could argue possession of drugs are not victimless, socially pressuring others to use it), it's more of a health care issue/ addiction obsession issue, than a criminal issue in its traditional sense. Of course, producing child pornography may be a different story. But ask yourself, how many murders in US are sentenced to 200 years in prison? Simple Possession of 20 photoes (well not 20, I think he had more, just convicted 20), does he really deserve 200 years in prison?

Let's say we have to treat posession of child porn as a criminal issue (which I don't agree), surely one count of posession (means 10 years) would be plenty of time to reflect on his actions, 1 photo 10 years cumulating to 200 years is just revenge in action, that's why I think the US has a revenge system, not a justice system. What makes this person so dangerous (so much more dangerous than many killers) that he would never even get the chance of being rehabitated and let out? Not getting help in a treatment centre, not in prison, never, it's over for him, how is that reasonable When people who are actually dangerous are constantly let out to the society?

In fact, I would argue, sexual release without commiting crimes against children (in his case obviously he needs to find better sources than child pornography) makes the person slightly less dangerous than sexually repressed pedophiles, and if he's willing to seek treatment, he should be given just that, there's a great chance that this person would never realistically do anything against children, there's even a greater chance of him being a productive member of society, contributing tax dollars, rather than spending hundreds of years in prison on tax payers' expense.

I added more cases if you're interested and see if those life sentences/110 year sentences are justified.

I'm 19, and I'm so sad that there is someone in my age group that stupid. It makes me feel stupid just being 19, and male, and a gamer, and anything that could associate me with this man who used a BB gun to threaten another guy into giving him runescape gold.

That said, giving him 15 years shows how horribly wrong the US justice system is. The justice system should be doling out proper punishment and rehabilitating people, instead they turn people into criminals by putting them in jail, marking them for life and ruining them just for childish stuff. Sure that guy was an idiot, but nobody's life was at risk, no real items were at risk, and jail time will just ruin his life for one dumb mistake that didn't hurt anybody, which no one deserves, no matter how dumb they are.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

I added more cases, I consider the simple posession of 20 photoes, whatever photo they may be, (in Canada, this woudn't result even 1 week of jail term), a petty crime, in fact, for someone advocating posession of drugs to not be a crime, I actually think possession of child porn should be treated similary, as a obsession/disorder subjected to mandatory treatment, but not a crime, at least not traditional sense.

Remember, it's the posession (download) of a few photoes, not actually doing anything else, 200 years?

Ncsoftlover

Usage fuels the demand, and, unlike drugs, child pornography is not victimless and cannot be made victimless.

I don't buy it, the Luka Magnotta killing case in Canada attracted more than 3 million video views (accord to a chinese statistic anyway), probably more now. It's a thrill killing partly for online fame, I wonder why aren't these million of people, including me, being sentenced to hundreds of years in prison. For watching a documentary of a crime that clearly has a victim, and such video views clearly demand more thrill killings to be done, so it's not victimless, and definitely fuels demand, why aren't we in prison now? Simple, you can't catch this many people, you can't afford to imprison this many, same goes to drug posession.

But when it comes to pedophiles (society's most hated group), the attitude is immediately different. To me, posession of these photoes are no different than posession of drugs (you could argue possession of drugs are not victimless, socially pressuring others to use it), it's more of a health care issue/ addiction obsession issue, than a criminal issue in its traditional sense. Of course, producing child pornography may be a different story. But ask yourself, how many murders in US are sentenced to 200 years in prison? Simple Possession of 20 photoes (well not 20, I think he had more, just convicted 20), does he really deserve 200 years in prison?

Let's say we have to treat posession of child porn as a criminal issue (which I don't agree), surely one count of posession (means 10 years) would be plenty of time to reflect on his actions, 1 photo 10 years cumulating to 200 years is just revenge in action, that's why I think the US has a revenge system, not a justice system. What makes this person so dangerous (so much more dangerous than many killers) that he would never even get the chance of being rehabitated and let out? Not getting help in a treatment centre, not in prison, never, it's over for him, how is that reasonable When people who are actually dangerous are constantly let out to the society?

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Usage fuels the demand, and, unlike drugs, child pornography is not victimless and cannot be made victimless.

Mafiree

I don't buy it, the Luka Magnotta killing case in Canada attracted more than 3 million video views (accord to a chinese statistic anyway), probably more now. It's a thrill killing partly for online fame, I wonder why aren't these million of people, including me, being sentenced to hundreds of years in prison. For watching a documentary of a crime that clearly has a victim, and such video views clearly demand more thrill killings to be done, so it's not victimless, and definitely fuels demand, why aren't we in prison now? Simple, you can't catch this many people, you can't afford to imprison this many, same goes to drug posession.

But when it comes to pedophiles (society's most hated group), the attitude is immediately different. To me, posession of these photoes are no different than posession of drugs (you could argue possession of drugs are not victimless, socially pressuring others to use it), it's more of a health care issue/ addiction obsession issue, than a criminal issue in its traditional sense. Of course, producing child pornography may be a different story. But ask yourself, how many murders in US are sentenced to 200 years in prison? Simple Possession of 20 photoes (well not 20, I think he had more, just convicted 20), does he really deserve 200 years in prison?

Let's say we have to treat posession of child porn as a criminal issue (which I don't agree), surely one count of posession (means 10 years) would be plenty of time to reflect on his actions, 1 photo 10 years cumulating to 200 years is just revenge in action, that's why I think the US has a revenge system, not a justice system. What makes this person so dangerous (so much more dangerous than many killers) that he would never even get the chance of being rehabitated and let out? Not getting help in a treatment centre, not in prison, never, it's over for him, how is that reasonable When people who are actually dangerous are constantly let out to the society?

What help do I need?

I'm 19, and I'm so sad that there is someone in my age group that stupid. It makes me feel stupid just being 19, and male, and a gamer, and anything that could associate me with this man who used a BB gun to threaten another guy into giving him runescape gold.

That said, giving him 15 years shows how horribly wrong the US justice system is. The justice system should be doling out proper punishment and rehabilitating people, instead they turn people into criminals by putting them in jail, marking them for life and ruining them just for childish stuff. Sure that guy was an idiot, but nobody's life was at risk, no real items were at risk, and jail time will just ruin his life for one dumb mistake that didn't hurt anybody, which no one deserves, no matter how dumb they are.

SPYDER0416

come on! share some enlightened views on these stories, links are be found in this thread.

on 110 years for talking to a somewhat imaginery girl online inappropriately

240 years for possession of 20 or so child porn photoes

life without parole for 50 years for stealing some video from K-mart after previously burglary conviction decades ago which he had been punished already.

15 year old non adult had been convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison for stealing TV from someone's home, after he's partner in "crime" has been shot by home owner, and he had absolutely no part in the killing, he was not a murderer.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

I'm 19, and I'm so sad that there is someone in my age group that stupid. It makes me feel stupid just being 19, and male, and a gamer, and anything that could associate me with this man who used a BB gun to threaten another guy into giving him runescape gold.

That said, giving him 15 years shows how horribly wrong the US justice system is. The justice system should be doling out proper punishment and rehabilitating people, instead they turn people into criminals by putting them in jail, marking them for life and ruining them just for childish stuff. Sure that guy was an idiot, but nobody's life was at risk, no real items were at risk, and jail time will just ruin his life for one dumb mistake that didn't hurt anybody, which no one deserves, no matter how dumb they are.

Ncsoftlover

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

I'm 19, and I'm so sad that there is someone in my age group that stupid. It makes me feel stupid just being 19, and male, and a gamer, and anything that could associate me with this man who used a BB gun to threaten another guy into giving him runescape gold.

That said, giving him 15 years shows how horribly wrong the US justice system is. The justice system should be doling out proper punishment and rehabilitating people, instead they turn people into criminals by putting them in jail, marking them for life and ruining them just for childish stuff. Sure that guy was an idiot, but nobody's life was at risk, no real items were at risk, and jail time will just ruin his life for one dumb mistake that didn't hurt anybody, which no one deserves, no matter how dumb they are.

Mafiree

well, of course he did something wrong, and he's responsible for the crime.But think of it this way, he (not even an adult) would normally be sentenced to a few months in jail for breaking in and steal something, yet in this case, intention being no different, he's no more dangerous than any other teenage thiefs, he's sentenced to life in prison for murder, even though he did no such thing, no part in the killing whatsoever, how is this case drastically different than any others that he deserve to spend his life in prison after such tragic situation? How does the family feel after losing 2 teenage sons in an instant?

Does it help tax payer save money? does it help a family in grieving? Does it help the 15 years old becoming a productive member of society?

NO IT DOESN'T , his life is done.

I never bought the "do the crime, do whatever time the judges hand you, even if it's unreasonable"crap.

BTW, he did not do robbery, it's getting into someone's house and stealing something assuming the owner is not home.

:lol:

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

I'm 19, and I'm so sad that there is someone in my age group that stupid. It makes me feel stupid just being 19, and male, and a gamer, and anything that could associate me with this man who used a BB gun to threaten another guy into giving him runescape gold.

That said, giving him 15 years shows how horribly wrong the US justice system is. The justice system should be doling out proper punishment and rehabilitating people, instead they turn people into criminals by putting them in jail, marking them for life and ruining them just for childish stuff. Sure that guy was an idiot, but nobody's life was at risk, no real items were at risk, and jail time will just ruin his life for one dumb mistake that didn't hurt anybody, which no one deserves, no matter how dumb they are.

Mafiree

i know right.

Runescape...? In college? I know he doesn't have a girlfriend.Fightingfan

So retarded.

Funny though.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

In Arizona, people receive more than 200 years in prison for 20 counts of possession(Yes, not producing, simple posession)of child pornography, this is not an individual case, they go by 10 years for each photo, consecutively.

http://althouse.blogspot.ca/2007/02/200-years-for-possessing-20-photographs.html

http://www.svherald.com/content/news/2012/03/18/254428 (240 years for this one)Ncsoftlover

Child porn is not something I'd consider "petty".

I added more cases, I consider the simple posession of 20 photoes, whatever photo they may be, (in Canada, this woudn't result even 1 week of jail term), a petty crime, in fact, for someone advocating posession of drugs to not be a crime, I actually think possession of child porn should be treated similary, as a obsession/disorder subjected to mandatory treatment, but not a crime, at least not traditional sense.

Remember, it's the posession (download) of a few photoes, not actually doing anything else, 200 years?

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

Child porn is not something I'd consider "petty".

Ncsoftlover

I added more cases, I consider the simple posession of 20 photoes, whatever photo they may be, (in Canada, this woudn't result even 1 week of jail term), a petty crime, in fact, for someone advocating posession of drugs to not be a crime, I actually think possession of child porn should be treated similary, as a obsession/disorder subjected to mandatory treatment, but not a crime, at least not traditional sense.

Remember, it's the posession (download) of a few photoes, not actually doing anything else, 200 years?

I don't get the issue here. This isn't about Runescape; it's about the gunpoint robbery thing. THERE IS A P. LARGE FVCKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ROBBERY WITH A DEADLY WEAPON AND PETTY LARCENY. THE GUY IS A VIOLENT CRIMINAL.

fin

That is...I don't know what that is :|

I lol'ed. Both the fake nature of the currency and its enormous quantity are hilarious.

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Child porn is not something I'd consider "petty".

LJS9502_basic

I added more cases, I consider the simple posession of 20 photoes, whatever photo they may be, (in Canada, this woudn't result even 1 week of jail term), a petty crime, in fact, for someone advocating posession of drugs to not be a crime, I actually think possession of child porn should be treated similary, as a obsession/disorder subjected to mandatory treatment, but not a crime, at least not traditional sense.

Remember, it's the posession (download) of a few photoes, not actually doing anything else, 200 years?

you might be interested to know, that possession of child pornography in China is not really a crime, (China likes to prosecute people), I have never heard of a case of a convicted child pornography posession charge in China, and I read news in Chinese a lot. In Japan, possession of child pornography is legal, it would be illegal when it comes to distribution/production, and Japan is doing fine with less than 1/14 of US's incarceration rate.

I'm not nesessarily arguing making posession of child pornography completely legal (like Japan did), but before you lose respect for Canada (one of the most liked countries in the world doesn't really need much more respect anyway), you might be interested to know, Canada is actually pretty harsh on child porn crimes, people can be jailed for up to 5 years for posession of inappropriate photoes. If we look at all other countries in the world, no countries would jail people for more than 2 or 3 years for the possession of 20 or so child porn photoes, less than 2 or 3 countries (out of over 200) actually bother to jail them longer than 1 year. US is certainly alone in jailing them for 240 years, murders and serial rapists don't get that long.

So before you lose respect for Canada, might as well lose respect for every country other than US, US (I repeat) is alone in this. The truth remains no matter how much respect you lose for other countries, United States of America has by far the highest incarceration rate in the world, while having one of the highest violent crime rate, as well as the single highest homicide rate in the developed world.

:lol:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He deserves it....not sure why people think the court system is at fault.worlock77

Clearly if the reasoning behind the crime is stupid then the crime should be ignored.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He deserves it....not sure why people think the court system is at fault.CongressManStan

Clearly if the reasoning behind the crime is stupid then the crime should be ignored.

. . .

ur an dumb

The sarcasm in that post could not have been more obvious.

[QUOTE="CongressManStan"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Clearly if the reasoning behind the crime is stupid then the crime should be ignored.

coolbeans90

. . .

ur an dumb

The sarcasm in that post could not have been more obvious.

I'm reminded of Aladdin when I look at his face.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

It would still be too much, yes.

the land of incarcerated have the world's (by far) highest incarceration rate for exactly that reason, handing how hundred years of sentences for often petty crimes.

Ncsoftlover

Nobody gets hundreds of years for petty crimes. If you're going to make up bullsh*t at least try to make it a bit more realistic*.

*Unless, of course, you consider multiple murders "petty".

Here's an interesting case

http://www.windsorstar.com/news/Windsor+serving+years+jail+soliciting+online/6458807/story.html

a Canadian man was sentenced to 110 years in prison without parole for talking to a 13 year old girl innapropriately,without actually doing any real harm/ or stepping into that US state yet. Interestingly, for the most part, this young girl doesn't even exist, because it was an undercover police that took over the role.

LMAO... You gotta love the description of the crime scene on this one.

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

The U.S. court system is so fvcking stupid. And lol, runescape.

Jolt_counter119

There's a lot of reasons, and 15 years for threatening someone with a bb gun might be little over the top.