Newest Gallup: Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological Group

What Americans need to do is rise up against all political parties, and especially the Democratic and Republican parties. They have created a two party oligarchy that will benefit no one but themselves in the long run. Ideologies be damned, it's the parties that manipulate the population, not any sort of ideology. Ideology is neutral, it's when people start acting on it that it's called either good or evil.

tycoonmike

Most adults are Conservative, most teenagers and young adults tend to be Liberal since it's the "Popular Thing."

WeaponXY

American politics are weird.

I doubt there's many actual conservatives out there.

Also strange ommision: Socialists?

_BlueDuck_

What Americans need to do is rise up against all political parties, and especially the Democratic and Republican parties. They have created a two party oligarchy that will benefit no one but themselves in the long run. Ideologies be damned, it's the parties that manipulate the population, not any sort of ideology. Ideology is neutral, it's when people start acting on it that it's called either good or evil.

tycoonmike

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We get it, you want America to be destroyed.

LJS9502_basic

I've never been conservative, and I'm not sure you read my post right.

This isn't the least bit surprising considering that the two major parties in America are both rather conservative.

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What Americans need to do is rise up against all political parties, and especially the Democratic and Republican parties. They have created a two party oligarchy that will benefit no one but themselves in the long run. Ideologies be damned, it's the parties that manipulate the population, not any sort of ideology. Ideology is neutral, it's when people start acting on it that it's called either good or evil.

sSubZerOo

And thus create a government run by the two parties, otherwise known as an oligarchy. Are you suggesting we should retain the oligarchy or maybe make it so that others could potentially rise and rule?

personally i think we need to form a 3rd political party because the repubs and dems can't get it together and we suffering for it. and everytime i turn on the news another politician is getting jamed up with prostitutesadmit they have a drinking/drug problem or coming out of the closet and we are paying for it with our hard earned taxmoney and if anybody is getting drunk on my dollar its going to be me. now its not about what is good for the american people but how can we screw the other party over and this has got to stop. and we need to stop meddling in other countries affairs unless they have a direct effect on us but as our politicans are cowards and think that everything is a threat that will never happen. do you see other nations coming over here to "help us" with our prblems? no. when gwb was president did another country come and over throw him because he was a bad leader? no. we cannot continue to try to be the worlds police because our counrty is just as messed up or if not worse that any other country in the world because we have it all corrupt officals election fraud people in poverty etc.and how can we even use the term moral for anything morals have nothing to do with this its just people trying to accomplish an agenda and they just use the we're morally superior than you as a crutch to justify what we are doing and get the so called upstanding citizens behind them. if things get worse im moving to canada at least they have free health care.

Unfortunately, you're taking conservative to mean something very different to what poll respondents mean. While you're ideal conservative may be anti-Imperialist and isolation, the respondents to these polls do not appear to feel the same way. Examples:

Moderates, Liberals are currently more likely to support diplomacy with Iran, conservatives are amongst the groups least likely to support diplomacy with Iran.

Republicans (which your own source claims 72% of the time identify themselves as conservative) outnumber Democrats (which your own source claims 37% of the time identify themselves as Liberals) in belief that North Korea, Iraq, Pakistan, Israel and Palestine, Russia and Mexico represent direct threats to US security.

Two years ago; self identified conservatives consistently outranked liberals on US military involvement in Afghanistan, Pakistan.

There just isn't evidence to support what you perceive as 'conservative', is what these respondents envisage for themselves. On the contrary, self identifying conservatives appear more belligerent than liberals.Danm_999

I'm fully aware of the gungho nature of majority of the conservatives. The point is that conservatives ideology have more non interventionist than the liberal counterparts. I dont mean just opting out a few battles here and there, but all. I've seen studies that paint this as radical isolationism and attribute it to conservatives lower intelligence and habit. The liberal thinkers know this type of thinking is strong in conservative groups and so have cleverly created the negative connotation isolationist. That label, like anti semetic and racist, is powerful enough to frighten people with an image of America being completely sealed from the world, where no foreigners enter the country and sever all trade partnerships. It's an idiotic characterization, but it works to drum up fear and place a seed of doubt in peoples minds. I guess the liberal movers and shakers have more foresight than you do and worry that a growing and powerful conservative reassertion will not only expectedly counter their stances, but a new dialog could develop within the majority over the international role of the US. An uncomfortable debate that sends shivers down the spine of many liberals

As for the polls, I;m not surprised the militant nature of conservatives to be strong in fighting its enemies. Imagine the liberal as your little sister who is always getting into trouble and you have to come and protect her from getting beat up. You know your little sister was in the wrong, but that doesnt mean you want to see harm come to her. After the situation is resolved you will reprimand her and tell her to stop causing trouble and she may eventually learn her lesson and stop.The problem is with the US the liberal ideology of interference and policing is so ingrained, people, regardless of political spectrum will be pro intervention and thus will never to let others be. Having said that, ask conservatives about closing overseas bases and leaving others alone I would wager that more conservatives will favor such moves than liberals.

This view seems rather ridiculous honestly. To claim a clandestine liberal movement under the banner of human rights is precipitating foreign interventionism is extremely far-fetched.

Genuinely imperialistic ideologies like the Bush Doctrine, Reagan's Soviet Confrontation or even as far back as Eisenhower's Domino Theory are far more responsible for accusations of US empire. Although I'd guess you consider these liberal policies.Danm_999

This isnt about Republican or democrat, but the liberal belief in the intervention and fighting for "human rights". When such thinking is common, debates and manipulation isnt a conscious coordinated effort, rather a reflexive action where others like mind people instinctively fall into place and do what they need to do.

And Yes, I do see them as liberal policies, though one could argue they are now conservative policies because its been going for about 60+ years. I know the anti war movement during the periods WW1 and WW2 wouldnt be conservative if you factor in the previous century of expansionism, but couldnt some of cases be in fact seen as liberal too, since they went against the founders wishes of avoiding conflicts of that wasnt in the self interests of the US. Was it Washington that wanted the US to do its best to not be caught in web of alliances and interests with the crafty manipulators in Europe?

To be honest, I don't agree with your interpretation of Liberalism's stance on international relations. I suspect you see US Liberalism as a distinct beast from its European counterpart.Danm_999

Being different is a good thing! One of the common debating tactics that the euro centric american liberals use is comparing the US to europe and how much more evolved and sophisticated they are. Honestly, I dont even want to get too much into the Europe part, people on the OT forum think I hate America and want it too fall into nothingness. It's not true, but when it comes to Europe some could make a compelling argument that I feel that why about that continent. When I'm on asian forums or talking to some friends and colleagues, I quite often defend the US and point to Europe as the main source of the problem. The things I want to say would get me banned