no country for old men stinks!!!!

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#51 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]

It sure as hell was better than The Dark Knight.

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Oh no you didnt...you didnt just go there....oh, you did :evil: You sir are now in Seraphim's black book! :x TDK is leaps and bounds better than NCFOM. Not only is it a smart and thought provoking movie, it manages to do something that NCFOM failed, its ENTERTAINING!!!!!!! :x

The Batman is more thought provoking than No Country for Old Men? Seriously now, The Batman? :lol:

No Country for Old Men is so deep I don't even understand the meaning of the film!!

I didnt say its more thought-provoking than NCFOM, I said its just "thought provoking." And yes, its 100x better than NCFOM. That movie had the best example of how to make the most anti climatic ending in movie history. When I saw the ending, I was too amazed by the sheer crapiness of it to care about the deeper meaning.
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#52 chessmaster1989
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I thought it was fantastic. I don't completely understand the ending but for some reason I found it perfect. It just hit me pretty hard.peicher

To my understanding, the ending is supposed to reinforce the message of the movie. Sheriff Bell tells of his dreams, and, in particular, of the one in which he is following his father in the darkness. The end of the novel is this:

"And in the dream I knew that he was goin on ahead and that he was fixin to make a fire out there in all that dark and all that cold and I knew that whenever I got there he would be there. And then I woke up."

This final line, "And then I woke up," represents a return to reality, and away from the misgiven hopes of the dreams. This is why this book/movie is called No Country for Old Men: it is meant to describe some of the cruelty in the world, and to say that (I can't think of a better way of putting this), "This ain't no fairy tale."

I probably could have explained that better, but that's what I think it means. Really, it's a brilliant ending.

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#53 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="vlin1108"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] Oh no you didnt...you didnt just go there....oh, you did :evil: You sir are now in Seraphim's black book! :x TDK is leaps and bounds better than NCFOM. Not only is it a smart and thought provoking movie, it manages to do something that NCFOM failed, its ENTERTAINING!!!!!!! :xII_Seraphim_II

The Batman is more thought provoking than No Country for Old Men? Seriously now, The Batman? :lol:

No Country for Old Men is so deep I don't even understand the meaning of the film!!

I didnt say its more thought-provoking than NCFOM, I said its just "thought provoking." And yes, its 100x better than NCFOM. That movie had the best example of how to make the most anti climatic ending in movie history. When I saw the ending, I was too amazed by the sheer crapiness of it to care about the deeper meaning.

Eh, that's where we differ. I thought the movie was brilliant, and the ending was superb--MUCH better than The Dark Knight, and much more enteraining, as well; for that matter, the ending of No Country for Old Men was far superior to that of The Dark Knight.

Refer to my above post for the significance of the ending, and you will understand why the ending was so brilliant.

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#54 Togetic17
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I got into an argument with my mum about this movie. She hated it. I loved it.

My seven year old brother was the one who recommended we rent it--I think he's a genius. It's funny how we're both able to talk about how much of badass Chigurh is. He got pretty sad when Llewelyn's wife died.

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#55 AndrewXXXXXX
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I agree. I really wanted to see this and though it was going to be amazing, but instead, I got a boring movie where nothing happens and characters make stupid unrealistic decisions. The story was un-intriguing and No Country for Old Men is one overrated piece of **** IMO. I gave it a D-. The only reason it didn't get an F was the performances.
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#56 McManus107
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I hated it!

fell asleep after 20 minutes in

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#57 omfg_its_dally
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I wasn't that big of a fan either.
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#58 kittykatz5k
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I'm not a deep or meaningful guy, but I found it awesome. Then again, my favorite part was watching the battle between the average man and the trained hitman, so the message of this movie probably flew right over my head after the average man died. I also found it odd and cool how I didn't notice til the end that there was no music in it at all.
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#59 Paladin_King
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I hated it!

fell asleep after 20 minutes in

McManus107
right through all the action, gunshots, and explosions? Jebus. I guess it wasn't enough of a Michael Bay film.
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#60 PlasmaBeam44
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I loved the movie. But I'm into those arty films with deep messages and slow moving stories that really flesh out the characters.
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#61 shoeman12
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i disliked the ending but the rest of it was good, pretty violent.
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#62 McManus107
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[QUOTE="McManus107"]

I hated it!

fell asleep after 20 minutes in

Paladin_King

right through all the action, gunshots, and explosions? Jebus. I guess it wasn't enough of a Michael Bay film.

what action?When i wasn't watching it it was so quiet I thought someone had turned the TV off

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#63 tnfaith
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I have to agree with everyone. The ending was kind of sudden - got my dad wondering if there was a Part 2 disc somewhere...

It was pretty creepy in a good kind of way, but I don't think it deserved the Movie of The Year Oscar. Maybe I just didn't understand it..

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#64 Paladin_King
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[QUOTE="Paladin_King"][QUOTE="McManus107"]

I hated it!

fell asleep after 20 minutes in

McManus107

right through all the action, gunshots, and explosions? Jebus. I guess it wasn't enough of a Michael Bay film.

what action?When i wasn't watching it it was so quiet I thought someone had turned the TV off

um, you know there were a whole lotta people that got killed right? the violent killing the motel room, the car explosion, the gunfight in the streets, the guy who got killed through having a hole punch through his skull, the guy getting strangled literally at the start of the movie, the second to last scene basically being covered in dead bodies, etc etc etc. As i said, i think you need more Michael Bay.
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#65 TheOddQuantum
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

I liked the motion tracker scene a lot. Best motion tracker scene in a movie since 1986's Aliens.

And just like in Aliens, the following battle was pretty damn badass.

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Are you sure it wasn't Star Crystal?

Don't be silly it was obviosly Alien. I thought the movie (No country for old men) was good.
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#66 McManus107
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[QUOTE="McManus107"][QUOTE="Paladin_King"] right through all the action, gunshots, and explosions? Jebus. I guess it wasn't enough of a Michael Bay film.Paladin_King

what action?When i wasn't watching it it was so quiet I thought someone had turned the TV off

um, you know there were a whole lotta people that got killed right? the violent killing the motel room, the car explosion, the gunfight in the streets, the guy who got killed through having a hole punch through his skull, the guy getting strangled literally at the start of the movie, the second to last scene basically being covered in dead bodies, etc etc etc. As i said, i think you need more Michael Bay.

I saw the killing in the motel room and fell asleep just about two minutes later

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#67 Paladin_King
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[QUOTE="Paladin_King"][QUOTE="McManus107"]

what action?When i wasn't watching it it was so quiet I thought someone had turned the TV off

McManus107

um, you know there were a whole lotta people that got killed right? the violent killing the motel room, the car explosion, the gunfight in the streets, the guy who got killed through having a hole punch through his skull, the guy getting strangled literally at the start of the movie, the second to last scene basically being covered in dead bodies, etc etc etc. As i said, i think you need more Michael Bay.

I saw the killing in the motel room and fell asleep just about two minutes later

I thought you said you fell asleep 20 minutes in.
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#68 McManus107
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[QUOTE="McManus107"][QUOTE="Paladin_King"] um, you know there were a whole lotta people that got killed right? the violent killing the motel room, the car explosion, the gunfight in the streets, the guy who got killed through having a hole punch through his skull, the guy getting strangled literally at the start of the movie, the second to last scene basically being covered in dead bodies, etc etc etc. As i said, i think you need more Michael Bay.Paladin_King

I saw the killing in the motel room and fell asleep just about two minutes later

I thought you said you fell asleep 20 minutes in.

when was the killing in the motel room?

I only said what I thought how far in it was when I fell asleep.I don't know exactly

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when was the killing in the motel room?

I only said what I thought how far in it was when I fell asleep.I don't know exactly

McManus107
It's around the 50 minute mark.
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#70 NecroKvltMuffin
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Really great movie ruined by a lame ending.
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#71 Dark-Sithious
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]

It sure as hell was better than The Dark Knight.

vlin1108

Oh no you didnt...you didnt just go there....oh, you did :evil: You sir are now in Seraphim's black book! :x TDK is leaps and bounds better than NCFOM. Not only is it a smart and thought provoking movie, it manages to do something that NCFOM failed, its ENTERTAINING!!!!!!! :x

The Batman is more thought provoking than No Country for Old Men? Seriously now, The Batman? :lol:

No Country for Old Men is so deep I don't even understand the meaning of the film!!

Is that why everyone think it is so good, because they can't understand it?

Oh ****, I don't understand ****, this movie has to be great!

Personally I haven't seen it, nor do I intend to.

And TDK was hardly thought provoking, it was cliche, imo ofc.

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#72 McManus107
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[QUOTE="McManus107"]

when was the killing in the motel room?

I only said what I thought how far in it was when I fell asleep.I don't know exactly

RobbieH1234

It's around the 50 minute mark.

Seriously?

my mind must have been constantly drifting in and out of that movie then

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#73 AzureEm
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From IMDB,

"The meaning of the two dreams can be thought of as Bell's fear of some final judgment. The dreams are symbolic, so by whom Bell will be judged is up for interpretation.

Bell explains the first dream to his wife briefly, trying not to make too much of it. But the meaning is quite significant. He says his father met him in town and gave him some money, but he (Bell) lost it. This can be seen as Bell feeling as if he were entrusted with something valuable, but failed to protect it. See this as his responsibility as a law enforcement officer, the lives of the people he was responsible for protecting, his father's wisdom, and so on. It's an acknowledgment of his feelings of failure. In fact, he betrayed his duty as a lawman by letting Chigurh get away. As the teller (narrator) of the story, he lies when he says the motel room was empty (though he doesn't lie habitually). The dreams are his unconscious way of telling the audience the truth. He was entrusted as a lawman to get the money from Chiguhr, but instead agrees that he never "saw" him.

The second dream is connected with the first. In the second dream, he says he and his father were riding through the mountains in the old times. His father rode up ahead of him and went on into the cold and dark with some fire. Bell said that he knew when he got to where his father was going, his father would be there waiting for him.

His father going up ahead into the cold, dark night with the fire represents his father passing from the physical world into the afterlife (whatever that may be). The fire could represent Bell's father's lifeforce, or spirit.

Bell knows he's going to where his father went, and as the final curtain starts to come down on his life, he's second-guessing his whole existence. What will his father have to say about it? In short, will his father still be waiting for him in 'heaven' after letting him down?

In those final speeches we see that he is really thinking about how he might be largely responsible for his own failings (the first dream). And for him, going on up ahead into the cold darkness and eventually meeting his father means just what you think: he's heading toward the end and a possible final judgment, either by his father, or God, or whomever. And Bell is afraid that if there is a final judgment, it may be a harsh one. Did he measure up to the old-time lawmen? Did he make his father proud? Did he fail more than any of his predecessors in law enforcement (his father, grandfather, etc.) did? After all, he failed to protect Llewelyn and Carla Jean Moss, and he let Chigurh escape.

He's contemplating what many people contemplate as they get old and the curtain starts to come down on their lives: How should I be judged for the coward that I am?

Another more positive reading of the second dream is that Bell's father "lighting a fire in all that dark and all that cold" is Bell overcoming his crisis of faith. His conversation with his uncle starts out with Bell feeling "overmatched." He tells him how God did not come into his life when he got older as Bell thought he would. Then they discuss the cold-blooded, senseless murder of his ancestor from many years ago. His uncle tells him "watcha got ain't nothing new," meaning Bell's feeling of failure in the face of what he thought was a new kind of world that he couldn't understand. Things were always this way for his grandfather and his father. Bell's father could be seen not as a judgment on his failure but rather the reassurance that the life of a sheriff does have meaning despite the "dark and cold" that it encounters and that God (no particular denomination is implied) is indeed in his life."

I think that explanation makes more sense, of course I doubt anyone unless you read the book had time to analyze the ending because you were shocked at it's sudden ending.

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#74 Dman0017
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no arguement here, i felt my life was wasted after watching it
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#75 morewasabi
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I thought it was great.

Sure, it can be a bit confusing at times, but if you read the book it all makes sense. Better yet, read some of McCarthy's others, especially The Road and Blood Meridian.

I don't think No Country even deserves to be considered as a stand alone book. It really only serves as an extension of the themes explored in McCarthy's other books, and is the most coherent when viewed in their context.

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#76 StrawberryHill
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I wasn't impressed with the movie. But, I do hold a pretty high bar for Cohen Brothers' films. I'm not sure if I'd watch it again.
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I agree. The movie wasn't that great.
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#78 chessmaster1989
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I thought it was great.

Sure, it can be a bit confusing at times, but if you read the book it all makes sense. Better yet, read some of McCarthy's others, especially The Road and Blood Meridian.

morewasabi

Yes, Blood Meridian is, imo, McCarthy's best work. I can't wait-they're making a movie out of it as well.