No justice for Eric Garner

http://nypost.com/2014/12/03/cop-cleared-in-eric-garner-chokehold-death/

Just WOW!! So a cop uses a prohibited move on a civillian kills the said civillian with the prohibited move (chokehold), and the cop incurs no punishishment what so ever, not even a slap on the wrist. Even the cities chief medical examiner ruled Garners death a homicide caused by chokehold.

Seems like cops get away with murder, and they wonder why cops are disliked more and more, ive seen alot of footage of cops abusing their powers and they just get away with it. I know they have a tough dangerous job, but its no excuse to act like animals.

No justice, no fucking PEACE!!!

Lets burn this bitch down!

No but really, that Garner video is awful. I wouldn't mind going to a rally for Garner if it didn't had anything to do Michael Brown but that is doubtful.

Seems kind of absurd. I would be surprised if he keeps his job, despite not being indicted.

Here is the video. Keep in mind that some of you might find this video disturbing:

And CNN keeps playing this on a loop, to the end. Hey CNN, you POS, I might wanna decide whether I want to see this video or not you insensitive mamaluks.

I live in NYC, this whole situation is disgusting. Atleast charge him with negligent homicide. I mean his actions caused this mans death.

I'm really upset by this.

It is fucking ridiculous. I can sort of get why the grand jury didn't charge Wilson (though I still think there was enough conflicting evidence for at least a trial)...but with this case...I just can't comprehend how this grand jury didn't indict. The cop basically snuck up behind an unarmed man, put him in an ILLEGAL (according to the rules of the NYPD) choke hold and didn't let go when the other officers had him restrained on the ground, or even when he was yelling out that he couldn't breathe. Medical examiners concluded that it was death by homicide, with the constriction of the neck as a primary cause of death. I get that the dude was big, but NOTHING he did or was doing justifies that use of force. Worst of all? The freaking guy who video taped the arrest got indicted...but not the cop.

In a statement released by his union, Pantaleo said: “I became a police officer to help people and to protect those who can’t protect themselves.”

“It is never my intention to harm anyone and I feel very bad about the death of Mr. Garner,” he added.

“My family and I include him and his family in our prayers and I hope that they will accept my personal condolences for their loss.”

just absurd. wtf is going on with the lack of conviction and cops

This pisses me off.

@Master_Live: I never watch videos where I know people are going to get killed.

I too try to keep away from those.

You shouldn't do the murdering; it's bad.

How can the person who recorded the killing have done anything wrong when the guy who did the killing did not? I'm simply baffled at that piece of information.

How do they expect people to play buy the rules if they get away with blatantly ignoring the rules and not being punished for it.

@ariabed: Who is "they"? The police?

@sonicare: bit of a stupid question but yes the police and the whole system that lets the police get away with this shit.

Watch as this case incurs WAY less of an outcry than the Michael Brown case despite there being significant reason to be pissed off here...

People in New York have been protesting all day. The officer who put Garner in that chokehold, Panteleo, had his badge and gun stripped from him. The second officer at the scene, Police Officer Justin Damico, did not lose his job, but was assigned to desk duty. All of the other officers involved were granted immunity.

Sources:

CNN

NYdailynews

Note: I am not posting this to demonize anyone. I am simply reporting the news.

Is it even possible to scream, "I can't breathe!" if you're in an actual choke-hold? I mean, a choke-hold is constant pressure against the windpipe/carotid artery mean to starve the brain of oxygen in order to bring about unconsciousness. Speaking at all wouldn't seem possible. Maybe whatever experts or whatnot proved to the jury that Wilson actually used a headlock on Garner, a non-prohibited take-down maneuver, rather than a chokehold.

Of course, the entire take-down could have still caused an asthma attack and such, which would still leave the police responsible, if not criminally negligent.

@cablemodemx2: Yes its possible to scream if your in a choke hold. He was not in a sleeper hold, the officer had his forearm across his throat not the artery.

Noted. Still seems kind of odd, though. Just cant seem to wrap my head around how a person can scream if they actually can't breath, as breath is required to do so.

@BranKetra: and thats all they get for killing a guy using an illegal takedown, this is a bit more than gross misconduct.

@ariabed: even the forensics said that there was a chokehold. There was even a video and nothing happened

thats why you dont resist arrest and he wasnt chocked to death.. his poor health is what killed him

I guess the upholders of the law need not follow it.

Yeah, like how if I shoot another guy, it's the other person's failure to wear kevlar that kills him, not me.

what?

I just accidentally took a glimpse of it on tv and I have to say I didn't give a damn about the riots/protests prior to seeing this one but man this one is just heartbreaking...

How do you know this? its pretty clear that the guy is still alive after the chokehold is released and it seems more a case of being the guy with his hand and knee on the guys head that is causing the issue.

But if you have a link to the ME´s report i would love to see it where it says that it was the chokehold itself that led to his death.

Choke: have severe difficulty in breathing because of a constricted or obstructed throat or a lack of air

Having wrestled for a number of years, you can tell the difference between a choke hold and headlock and a sleeper hold.

Choke hold is generally caused by someone not performing a proper headlock hold in wrestling - where an arm is required. You cannot just grab someone around the neck/head and pull them down or throw them down; the arm is required to be in the hold as well to stabilize the neck from being damaged. If the arm is not included, it turns into a choke hold and you cannot breath - you cannot scream or talk. Talking requires air to move through the voice box to generate sound - without air being able to pass through the voice box, you make no sound. My older brother had an improper headlock put on him (the other guy did not have my brother's arm in the hold) and he was getting choked, the other guy then basically did a hip throw on my brother after he stopped struggling and my brother ended up tearing muscles in his neck because of the improper headlock. The kid that did the headlock was disqualified and banned from any future tournaments at this location. My brother had to wear a neck brace for 2 weeks and was given pain killers for the first few days to help with the pain. Luckily it was only a muscle tear and not a serious neck injury.

Sleeper hold (not a wrestling move) - shouldn't cut off air supply, if done correctly you cut off the blood flow to the brain by way of the carotid arteries. The victim should still be able to breath and can certainly attempt to scream, but it may be muffled or quieted or just a vain attempt as they black out.

I've wrestled people before where they start to panic and they start crying and screaming, "I can't breath!" because I have them in a half-nelson on their back and they're about to be pinned. This is when I could always hear my coach screaming from the side at the ref, "If he can cry, he can breath! Don't you dare break up this match! Don't you fucking stop it!". The ref would always break up the match and my coach would storm out on the match with another teammate of mine and he'd demonstrate the different holds and what happens when someone can't actually breath - they cannot cry/scream if they cannot breath. My coach got kicked out of a few tournaments, but he was right.

If you can talk/scream/cry, you can breath. You may be panicking and hyperventilating, but you can still breath and in these situations you need to learn how to calm yourself down to control your breathing so you don't pass out from lack of oxygen.

While the cop may have been using an incorrect method to try and restrain this man, but the guy could breath. From what I've read and based on the video, the guys poor health and the fact he started to panic caused him to hyperventilate, which put more stress on his body - which sadly was probably the tipping point for him. How things were handled after the man was down and he was cuffed and left there - that was pretty shitty and that's what the cops should be in real trouble for - they should have been quick to provide medical attention to him and should have called in an ambulance immediately.

@neatfeatguy: So it's the victim's fault because he wasn't perfectly calm when he was being practically assaulted? The man had asthma, for ****'s sake.

um, how dumb can you be lol. he was shouting "I can't breathe" 11 times. The chokehold led to a heart attack. He wasn't going to have a heart attack if he wasn't choked and thrown to the ground and having his head knee'd into the concrete.

Did you watch the video dumbo? the chokehold have been released and he begins to yell " I cant Breathe" how blind are you?

you're a fucking idiot.

The medical Examiner ruled it a HOMICIDE.

you lose.

The ME already reported it as a homicide and the death was caused by the chokehold. Unless you are a doctor that examined him yourself there is no debating this point.

LOL

When you are proven wrong you try with a simple ruling that doesn't mean anything in terms of the cause of the death. The ME has to rule it a homicide since it was pretty clear that something the cops did combined with the health issues of the victim was what led to his death.

So nice try but you are still behind on points mate.

Ridiculous, the Grand Jury system is broken (among other things).

Question, in the Mike Brown case is it possible that there is satellite pictures or video showing what actually happened?

No. Satellites generally don't zoom in far enough to see those kinds of details.

The Medical Examiner said that the cause of death was "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police." The health issues were contributing factors, but he makes it clear that the actual cause was the police actions. What, are you trying to spin it like "oh, it wasn't the police choking him to death, it was his own fault for being fat"?

what points have you made? the officers actions led to this mans death. and he should have at least been charged with negligent homicide. even if it was an accident, even if he didn't mean to kill him, his illegal chokehold led to Eric Garner's death.

don't even bother man, any sane person who saw the video knows the cop should have been charged. I live in NYC and Staten Island is a VERY different borough than all the others, it is the most white, most conservative and home to the most cops of any borough. Theres nothing wrong with being white and conservative I myself am white and for the most part have conservative views, but in Staten Island it is mostly Italian racists living there so they had no intention of charging an Italian cop with a crime even though it was clear as day.

Do you have a link to that ME explanation.

But what i am saying is that before anyone run out and yell "we want cop 99´s head on a plate" that it might be worth remembering that the victim was still alive after the chokehold had ended and it wasn't until after that and when a number of cops sat on him that he began to yell " i can't breath"

And yes that is indeed very tragic and he certainly didn't deserve it but the case isn't as obvious as some in the thread might have it appear and that might also be the same conclusion the Grand Jury has reached when they decide not to indict him.

And all things considered you cannot get past the fact that this was his own fault, he resisted arrest, resisted the cops instructions so what did he think it would end up with, but again it will never be ok that he lost his life and the cop who took the chokehold is also gone from the force.

you got your facts mixed up, he was yelling i can't breathe with 6 cops on top of him. he was being choked and yelled that out. doesn't even matter, their needless actions caused him to die.

Again before we continue this debate, do yourself a favor and go watch the video.

And then from the limited view and material tell me if the cause of his death is 100% cop 99 and his chokehold, and not the cop on his back or any of the other cops fighting to keep this mountain of a man bear down. Because i sure can´t tell and since i wasn't there or have extensive access to the files or evidence. I am in no position to yell "get the pickforks we have ourselves a hanging" and run with the other lunatics in the lynchmob.

I've watched the video many times, they've been replaying it all week on the news.