More intolerance from our great nation. This country was founded on religious freedoms. Some people need to learn this. How pathetic.
But you know whats funny? People who are saying this now have and will fight tooth and nail to remove "under God" from the pledge of allegiance. How ironic.
It won't pass, people are allowed to practise whatever religion they want aslong as they don't harm anyone. Pretty sure there's something in that Decleration of yours that say something along the lines of religious freedom.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] Really, I don't see a difference. They are both protesting for the same reason.guynamedbilly
Nope. Ground Zero was where practioners of that religon killed nearly 3,000 people and caused untold ammounts of damage in the name of said religion. I mean, they knocked down 2 skyscrapers in the middle of an inhabited city! It's the ultimate expression of disrespect to then build a symbol and engine of that same relgion right where the shadow of the twin towers would be if they were still there. So you believe the religion is inherently violent then? The facts must be considred. It was spread almost entierly by violence.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]lulz More intolerance from our great nation. This country was founded on religious freedoms. Some people need to learn this. How pathetic. But you know whats funny? People who are saying this now have and will fight tooth and nail to remove "under God" from the pledge of allegiance. How ironic. Well, "under God" was only added in the 1950s to give us an excuse to say that were better than those atheist Reds.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]lulz More intolerance from our great nation. This country was founded on religious freedoms. Some people need to learn this. How pathetic.scorch-62
But you know whats funny? People who are saying this now have and will fight tooth and nail to remove "under God" from the pledge of allegiance. How ironic. Well, "under God" was only added in the 1950s to give us an excuse to say that were better than those atheist Reds. Really? I thought it was becase this nation was founded on religious principals and we as a nation could agree on something back then.
But you know whats funny? People who are saying this now have and will fight tooth and nail to remove "under God" from the pledge of allegiance. How ironic.herpderp9000
Eh, I never understood the the issue with "Under God" in the pledge. As someone mentioned before though, it has been around since 1892 and "Under God" was stuck on there in the 50's. Not really the same if you ask me.
[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"] Nope. Ground Zero was where practioners of that religon killed nearly 3,000 people and caused untold ammounts of damage in the name of said religion. I mean, they knocked down 2 skyscrapers in the middle of an inhabited city! It's the ultimate expression of disrespect to then build a symbol and engine of that same relgion right where the shadow of the twin towers would be if they were still there.herpderp9000
So you believe the religion is inherently violent then? The facts must be considred. It was spread almost entierly by violence. At least you're honest about it and I can respect that. I can understand and agree with your argument based on your point of view, but overall, regarding the religious freedom ideal, it would be hypocritical to protests the center at ground zero and then say they have a special reason to protest that particular plot of land. If 9/11 was caused by the religion, then everyone everywhere else has a good reason to protest against the religion also. If it was just caused by violent people, irregardless of the religion, then they are hypocrites.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] Really? I thought it was becase this nation was founded on religious principals and we as a nation could agree on something back then.LikeHaterade
No.
Double no. Read some history about the founding fathers, especially Jefferson.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] Really? I thought it was becase this nation was founded on religious principals and we as a nation could agree on something back then.Sajo7
No.
Double no. Read some history about the founding fathers, especially Jefferson. We can't. He's been stripped from our text books.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] Really? I thought it was becase this nation was founded on religious principals and we as a nation could agree on something back then.LikeHaterade
No.
Didn't you learn in school that we were founded based on Judeo-Christian principals?
Really? I thought it was becase this nation was founded on religious principals and we as a nation could agree on something back then.herpderp9000
No.
Double no. Read some history about the founding fathers, especially Jefferson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo_Christian#Usage_in_the_US "Some early colonists saw themselves as heirs to the Hebrew Bible, and its teachings on liberty, responsibility, hard work, ethics, justice, equality, a sense of choseness and an ethical mission to the world, which have become key components of the American character, what is called the "American Creed" Some key words are justice, equality, and liberty. The moar you know. Also: "These ideas from the Hebrew Bible, brought into American history by Protestants, are seen as underpinning the American Revolution, Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution" I say again: This nation was founded on religious principals.
Double no. Read some history about the founding fathers, especially Jefferson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo_Christian#Usage_in_the_US "Some early colonists saw themselves as heirs to the Hebrew Bible, and its teachings on liberty, responsibility, hard work, ethics, justice, equality, a sense of choseness and an ethical mission to the world, which have become key components of the American character, what is called the "American Creed" Some key words are justice, equality, and liberty. The moar you know. Justice, like the Salem Witch Trials? Equality, like how those early colonists treated native Americans? Liberty. like slavery?
Double no. Read some history about the founding fathers, especially Jefferson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo_Christian#Usage_in_the_US "Some early colonists saw themselves as heirs to the Hebrew Bible, and its teachings on liberty, responsibility, hard work, ethics, justice, equality, a sense of choseness and an ethical mission to the world, which have become key components of the American character, what is called the "American Creed" Some key words are justice, equality, and liberty. The moar you know.
Is that so? I'm sure it had nothing to do with this.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="Sajo7"] Double no. Read some history about the founding fathers, especially Jefferson.wstfld
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo_Christian#Usage_in_the_US "Some early colonists saw themselves as heirs to the Hebrew Bible, and its teachings on liberty, responsibility, hard work, ethics, justice, equality, a sense of choseness and an ethical mission to the world, which have become key components of the American character, what is called the "American Creed" Some key words are justice, equality, and liberty. The moar you know. Justice, like the Salem Witch Trials? Equality, like how those early colonists treated native Americans? Liberty. like slavery? Just ignore the 250 years of justice, equality and liberty and foucs on a small 70 or 80 year period. Also, the first pilgrims treated the Native Americans right, it was their kids, the new genereation that screwed them over.
It would be a Constitutional matter to be dealt with by the Supreme Court because it would be infringing upon the separation of church and state. No law can be passed that priviliges one faith over another so that the creation of a state religion can be avoided.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="Sajo7"] Double no. Read some history about the founding fathers, especially Jefferson.Sajo7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo_Christian#Usage_in_the_US "Some early colonists saw themselves as heirs to the Hebrew Bible, and its teachings on liberty, responsibility, hard work, ethics, justice, equality, a sense of choseness and an ethical mission to the world, which have become key components of the American character, what is called the "American Creed" Some key words are justice, equality, and liberty. The moar you know.
Is that so? I'm sure it had nothing to do with this.
Or this guy.
How do those links prove a point? Sure they had something to do with it, but the afore mentioned has more to do with it.
[QUOTE="Palantas"][QUOTE="scorch-62"]Why would there be a Supreme Court case?LordXelNaga
I was wondering the same thing. It would be a Constitutional matter to be dealt with by the Supreme Court because it would be infringing upon the separation of church and state. No law can be passed that priviliges one faith over another so that the creation of a state religion can be avoided. But there wasn't any kind of law passed, nor are rights being infringed upon. :?
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo_Christian#Usage_in_the_US "Some early colonists saw themselves as heirs to the Hebrew Bible, and its teachings on liberty, responsibility, hard work, ethics, justice, equality, a sense of choseness and an ethical mission to the world, which have become key components of the American character, what is called the "American Creed" Some key words are justice, equality, and liberty. The moar you know.herpderp9000
Is that so? I'm sure it had nothing to do with this.
Or this guy.
How do those links prove a point? Sure they had something to do with it, but the afore mentioned has more to do with it. Why? I reference you to direct contemporary reasons why the Revolution started and all you did was talk about puritans. Also in relation to that whole Protestants being nice to Native Americans thing? Have you ever heard of the Manifest Destiny?
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo_Christian#Usage_in_the_US "Some early colonists saw themselves as heirs to the Hebrew Bible, and its teachings on liberty, responsibility, hard work, ethics, justice, equality, a sense of choseness and an ethical mission to the world, which have become key components of the American character, what is called the "American Creed" Some key words are justice, equality, and liberty. The moar you know.herpderp9000
Justice, like the Salem Witch Trials? Equality, like how those early colonists treated native Americans? Liberty. like slavery? Just ignore the 250 years of justice, equality and liberty and foucs on a small 70 or 80 year period. Also, the first pilgrims treated the Native Americans right, it was their kids, the new genereation that screwed them over. 70-80 year period? Stop learning from wikipedia.
They are afraid the 15-acre site that was once farmland will be turned into a terrorist training ground for Muslim militants bent on overthrowing the U.S. government.
October_Tide
AHAHAHAHA OH LOOOORDY LOOOORDY LOOOORDY. The paranoid stupidity of some people is just astonishing.
[QUOTE="cd_rom"]*sigh* and once again I have to hide my Southern heritage. We're not all stupid guys. I swear it. The stupid ones are just the loudest.Theokhoth
Hey, I bet I'm farther South than you and I'm not stupid. Almost everyone around me is, but not me. :P You may not be, but your topic title sure is. :evil::
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="cd_rom"]*sigh* and once again I have to hide my Southern heritage. We're not all stupid guys. I swear it. The stupid ones are just the loudest.guynamedbilly
Hey, I bet I'm farther South than you and I'm not stupid. Almost everyone around me is, but not me. :P You may not be, but your topic title sure is. : Perhaps to people who read titles and not articles, sure.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="Sajo7"] Double no. Read some history about the founding fathers, especially Jefferson.wstfld
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo_Christian#Usage_in_the_US "Some early colonists saw themselves as heirs to the Hebrew Bible, and its teachings on liberty, responsibility, hard work, ethics, justice, equality, a sense of choseness and an ethical mission to the world, which have become key components of the American character, what is called the "American Creed" Some key words are justice, equality, and liberty. The moar you know. Justice, like the Salem Witch Trials? Equality, like how those early colonists treated native Americans? Liberty. like slavery? "The Salem Witch Trials occured 1692-1693." 1 Year? And you might want to read this: "Reversals of attainder and compensation to the survivors and their families" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
And...Native Americans were not forced off their land...Puritans traded or paid for the land they owned. IF they stole land from Indians they were subject to the same laws as they abide by.
[QUOTE="cd_rom"]*sigh* and once again I have to hide my Southern heritage. We're not all stupid guys. I swear it. The stupid ones are just the loudest.wstfld
I moved South about six months ago. I'd swear on my life that you're all idiots. The only smart people I've met have been carpet bagging phD students. You didn't even give me a chance? ;___;
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo_Christian#Usage_in_the_US "Some early colonists saw themselves as heirs to the Hebrew Bible, and its teachings on liberty, responsibility, hard work, ethics, justice, equality, a sense of choseness and an ethical mission to the world, which have become key components of the American character, what is called the "American Creed" Some key words are justice, equality, and liberty. The moar you know.Snipes_2
Justice, like the Salem Witch Trials? Equality, like how those early colonists treated native Americans? Liberty. like slavery? "The Salem Witch Trials occured 1692-1693." 1 Year? And you might want to read this: "Reversals of attainder and compensation to the survivors and their families" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
And...Native Americans were not forced of their land...Puritans traded or paid for the land they owned. IF they stole land from Indians they were subject to the same laws as they abide by.
You are of the ilk that America is perfect and has done every single thing perfectly. Its dishonest and ignorant.
[QUOTE="wstfld"] Justice, like the Salem Witch Trials? Equality, like how those early colonists treated native Americans? Liberty. like slavery?
wstfld
"The Salem Witch Trials occured 1692-1693." 1 Year? And you might want to read this: "Reversals of attainder and compensation to the survivors and their families" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
And...Native Americans were not forced of their land...Puritans traded or paid for the land they owned. IF they stole land from Indians they were subject to the same laws as they abide by.
You are of the ilk that America is perfect and has done every single thing perfectly. Its dishonest and ignorant. Nope, Just stating facts about what you posted.
[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"]Whoa. Reminds me of segregation, with the dogs. Building at ground zero is one thing, building in some obscure part of TN is quite another.. They are only messing up our fight to stop the mousqe at ground zero.herpderp9000
Really, I don't see a difference. They are both protesting for the same reason. Nope. Ground Zero was where practioners of that religon killed nearly 3,000 people and caused untold ammounts of damage in the name of said religion. I mean, they knocked down 2 skyscrapers in the middle of an inhabited city! It's the ultimate expression of disrespect to then build a symbol and engine of that same relgion right where the shadow of the twin towers would be if they were still there.
Then we should dismantle all churches after the Oklahoma bombing..
I used to live in Tennessee. I found them to be some of the most down to earth people. Well, keeping in mind about 70% of them didn't wear bras. Pathetic. Just pathetic. :(
They are afraid the 15-acre site that was once farmland will be turned into a terrorist training ground for Muslim militants bent on overthrowing the U.S. government.Theokhoth
This is why you just don't listen to some people. You just let them talk, say what they're gonna say, and just go do it. :|
The people of tennesse can protest whatever they want. At the end of the day, they cannot legally do anything against the mosque being built. Same with people in NY. If the muslims building these buildings don't buckle under pressure, they will be built and they should be. I hope the people building these see it through.
[QUOTE="xaos"] I am, it's probably her fault *shrug*herpderp9000
lulz
More intolerance from our great nation. This country was founded on religious freedoms. Some people need to learn this. How pathetic.
But you know whats funny? People who are saying this now have and will fight tooth and nail to remove "under God" from the pledge of allegiance. How ironic.
What does that have to do with anything?
You have the right to be free religiously and practice your religion. You have no right to put your religion in government. Muslims arn't trying to put "Under Allah" in the pledge.
Also most people I know dislike the pledge thing because it's not part of the countries founding. It was added in the 50's as propaganda.
More intolerance from our great nation. This country was founded on religious freedoms. Some people need to learn this. How pathetic.
Pixel-Pirate
But you know whats funny? People who are saying this now have and will fight tooth and nail to remove "under God" from the pledge of allegiance. How ironic.
What does that have to do with anything?
You have the right to be free religiously and practice your religion. You have no right to put your religion in government. Muslims arn't trying to put "Under Allah" in the pledge.
Also most people I know dislike the pledge thing because it's not part of the countries founding. It was added in the 50's as propaganda.
I was going to say these non-Muslim protesters (haha of course) are going to make the government remove such words from national monuments and stuff. But I like to believe that the three main religions Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have the same God. So the Muslims living in America now shouldn't have any reason to be offended over "under God" statements.
[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"] But you know whats funny? People who are saying this now have and will fight tooth and nail to remove "under God" from the pledge of allegiance. How ironic.herpderp9000
Well, "under God" was only added in the 1950s to give us an excuse to say that were better than those atheist Reds. Really? I thought it was becase this nation was founded on religious principals and we as a nation could agree on something back then.
You are incorrect, this nation was designed specifically to avoid being founded on religious principals. The United States has no offical religion, it is not a theocracy and the only reason "Under God" was added to the Pledge of Alligence was to try and fend off the "evil anti-religious communists."
I used to live in Tennessee. I found them to be some of the most down to earth people. Well, keeping in mind about 70% of them didn't wear bras.Maniacc1
What? Where in TN was this? I don't remember it being that awesome when I lived there.
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