non-straight people Imposing their lifestyle on others.

haha, it's totally pathetic when ignoramus, stupid straight people consider themselves "NORMAL" and every other kind of people "BAD", not different like blonde and brunette, but "this second, worse CHOICE, disgusting and stuff". gosh I can't listen to that crap! what has being gay with lifestyle? being gay doesn't turn you to metal/skate/emo, republican/fascist/communist, omg anything.. it's just LOVE. heterosexual idiots (only idiots, I don't want to be rude to all straight people, only these homophobic ones I don't respect) say that gay people "promote" homosexuality and other stupid things - and what is this promoting? that they hold hands or kiss each other? and don't heterosexuals do that in public, too? oh, sorry, but they're NORMAL, I forgot; and every other person that loves somebody is eeevil, because it doesn't matter if they DO love anybody, only important thing is WHO they love, not how, why... gotta repeat that - PATHETIC. showing love by straight - "ohh, cute, they love each other!", showing love by gay - "hey, you, why are you pushing your LIFESTYLE on me?!". Kagai13

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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]It usually means that they can't stand extremely feminine guys.TheFlush

I can't stand loud gorilla-macho jocks or snobby materialistic girls, but hey, live with it.

Most don't but some want everyone to know and for everyone to change their ways so they can have the life that they want to live.

dunl12496

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[QUOTE="Grodus5"]

I just wouldn't feel comfortable at all if a guy started hitting on me. That is all.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]Didn't you know? Gay is contagious.Theokhoth

Perhaps....

What I don't get is why a good bit of gay (male or female) "like" turning ppl. It's no there place.DudeNtheRoom

You say this as if obnoxious flirting is exclusive to gays. It's no different than a straight guy pestering a straight woman to go on a date.

"I don't hate gay people; I just don't want them to act gay anywhere near me and if they hit on me I'll bust their faces in."Theokhoth

People are probably just uncomfortable with something that they don't see much or understand. When I wasgrowing up, I certainly thought homosexuality was odd. I came from small town and it wasn't common or open there. As I got older, moved to a larger city,and met people that were gay I became more comfortable with it. It really wasn't until I had a couple of gay friends that my views changed. Now I'm pretty familiar and accustomed to it. Instead of acting like a bunch of self righteous jerks, my gay friends were certainly a lot more accommodating and understanding. I'm glad they never talked down to me.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

I believe that's generally what is said by straight people who still believe that homosexuals are looking to pounce on anything of the same gender. "As long as he doesn't try to f*** me, we're cool, bro", etc. It is also said, rather ironically, by heterosexuals who are adamantly against the legalization of gay marriage.

TheFlush

A friend of a friend of mine once said that to me. He said all was okay as long as I didn't hit on him. Well, I assured him he's so butt-ugly that the mere thought of me being intimate with him made me throw up a little in my mouth.

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"]What I don't get is why a good bit of gay (male or female) "like" turning ppl. It's no there place.Dark_Knight6

You say this as if obnoxious flirting is exclusive to gays. It's no different than a straight guy pestering a straight woman to go on a date.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"]What I don't get is why a good bit of gay (male or female) "like" turning ppl. It's no there place.DudeNtheRoom

You say this as if obnoxious flirting is exclusive to gays. It's no different than a straight guy pestering a straight woman to go on a date.

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

You say this as if obnoxious flirting is exclusive to gays. It's no different than a straight guy pestering a straight woman to go on a date.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"] A straight guy can't turn a straight women.........so I think you're wrong.DudeNtheRoom

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] If the woman isn't interested in the guy then is it really any different then a guy hitting on a guy who isn't interested in him?

toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"] I'm talking about"turning" someomoe. Why are you talking about flirting? Your arguing with a totally different scenario.DudeNtheRoom

You cant be straight up racist or homophobic these days so people use veiled talk.weezyfb

Why has xaos not commented yet?

and i fully support gays and i dont get why people are so offended by them is it peer pressure because i'm not?

In the famous words of Senfeld ''Not that theres anything wrong with that!!"

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"]

You can't turn someone gay anyway.toast_burner

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"] Yet I've heard and seen of it.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"] Yet I've heard and seen of it.

DudeNtheRoom

Its not manipulation just because you dont like the result of the experimentation.

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]You can catalyse them realising that they are gay/bi but no perfectly straight person could be turned gay without being brainwashed.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"] Yet I've heard and seen of it.

DudeNtheRoom

If you are really straight you couldn't be manipulated since you would be curious about it.

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]You can catalyse them realising that they are gay/bi but no perfectly straight person could be turned gay without being brainwashed.

toast_burner

If you are really straight you couldn't be manipulated since you would be curious about it.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Yet it happens all the time. A young person confused and then "truned" by a gay person. I wouldn't call it brainwashing....more like manipulation.DudeNtheRoom

If you are really straight you couldn't be manipulated since you would be curious about it.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] how is it manipulation? Its mealy letting them try something new, and chances are they might actually enjoy it more.

If you are really straight you couldn't be manipulated since you would be curious about it.

DudeNtheRoom

I find it awkward to see two men kiss, I can't help it, but I think its a similar stomach feeling that some people just have. Its the easiest way to say it.

They have no problem with homosexuality, their just a bit " weirded out" by it

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] how is it manipulation? Its mealy letting them try something new, and chances are they might actually enjoy it more.

If you are really straight you couldn't be manipulated since you would be curious about it.

DudeNtheRoom

Cant we say the same for the straight person that may try to talk him/her out of it? Isnt it manipulation that they might try to make heterosexuality seem reasonable? The way you label things "manipulations" then any sort of advice/opinion or what have you is manipulation.

Well what you heard isnt definite. Yes many gay people certainly know from early on that they are gay Some, as I hear (since I am not one of those gay people) dont, and realise their sexuality later on in their lives.

Yet it happens all the time. A young person confused and then "truned" by a gay person. I wouldn't call it brainwashing....more like manipulation.DudeNtheRoom

oh my god! someone might be exposed to something and then find out that they like it! I just hate it when I discover new things that I enjoy! :evil:

seriously though

1) the same could be said for anything, from skateboarding, to fashion, to smoking, to the very fundamentals of our economic system.

2) so what? even if they directly persuaded someone into being gay so what? theres nothing wrong with being gay there is nothing wrong with convincing someone to be gay.

3) they arent violating anyone's freedoms or lives by simply being themselves. they arent putting a gun to someone's head and forcing them to alter their sexuality. if someone is "exposed" to gays and they seek to emulate their life-style, there is no moral burden on the gay people even if being gay was a negative thing.

4) no one complains that straight people are manipulating young people into being heterosexual, much less for simply being heterosexual. why is there this difference? there is a special word for it. it starts with "p" and ends with "rejudice"

5) if someone finds out that they are gay/bi and that the lifestyle suits them, than you should be happy for them. you should accept that they have discovered a key essential part of themself. once again, why are you making this into a bad thing?

6) how insulting is it for you to tell people that they are so impressionable, naive, and downright unintelligent that they should not be exposed to any lifestyles different from their own, because any decision based on their observations would be a result of their own naivete and manipulation. next time you decide to dish out such an egregious insult to other people, I hope you will receive nothing but the same in return.

It's just a moronic statement by closet homophobes who don't understand the definition of "impose". Nothing to worry about.

4) no one complains that straight people are manipulating young people into being heterosexual, much less for simply being heterosexual. why is there this difference? there is a special word for it. it starts with "p" and ends with "rejudice"

arbitor365

If anything society as a whole is manipulative in favour of heterosexuality.

But hey, suddenly, when there are enough stimuli that give opportunities to people to experiment and discover their true sexuality (if they arent straight) then OH MY GOD ITS MANIPULATION.

10 minutes with me would turn any man gay 8)

toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

10 minutes with me would turn any man gay 8)

xaos

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

10 minutes with me would turn any man gay 8)

toast_burner

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

10 minutes with me would turn any man gay 8)

toast_burner

Personally, I thought I was arguing with a gay person. I CANNOT beleive one of you actually said gay ppl tend to learn later in life about their sexuality." when you'reNOT EVEN GAY I have no problem with gay ppl honestly. I just don't like how gay ppl can manipulate ppl into thier lifestyle.....and yes, the same could be said about a person trying to "trun" a gay person into a straight. The difference in me and you is that I admit it happens. You guys are defending it either naively or just b/c "you think its the right thing to do."

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"] I just don't like how gay ppl can manipulate ppl into thier lifestyle.....and yes, the same could be said about a person trying to "trun" a gay person into a straight. JML897

How exactly does a gay person manipulate people into their lifesty|e?

Personally, I thought I was arguing with a gay person. I CANNOT beleive one of you actually said gay ppl tend to learn later in life about their sexuality." when you'reNOT EVEN GAY I have no problem with gay ppl honestly. I just don't like how gay ppl can manipulate ppl into thier lifestyle.....and yes, the same could be said about a person trying to "trun" a gay person into a straight. The difference in me and you is that I admit it happens. You guys are defending it either naively or just b/c "you think its the right thing to do."

DudeNtheRoom

Mind you, discovering your sexuality later on in your life doesnt mean that said sexuality doesnt exist until then. It may mean it hasnt surfaced yet.

We dont claim its the right thing to do. This is not an issue where either way can be claimed to be the right or the wrong way.

You are changing what you're saying a bit. I thought we were talking about people who questioned their sexuality being "manipulated" by gay people; not confident heterosexuals being "manipulated" by gay people. So its not exactly accurate to make a comparison between that and straight people "manipulating" a gay person (mind you, not just someone who questions their sexuality but a gay person).

Personally, I thought I was arguing with a gay person. I CANNOT beleive one of you actually said gay ppl tend to learn later in life about their sexuality." when you'reNOT EVEN GAY I have no problem with gay ppl honestly. I just don't like how gay ppl can manipulate ppl into thier lifestyle.....and yes, the same could be said about a person trying to "trun" a gay person into a straight. The difference in me and you is that I admit it happens. You guys are defending it either naively or just b/c "you think its the right thing to do."

DudeNtheRoom

Personally, I thought I was arguing with a gay person. I CANNOT beleive one of you actually said gay ppl tend to learn later in life about their sexuality." when you'reNOT EVEN GAY I have no problem with gay ppl honestly. I just don't like how gay ppl can manipulate ppl into thier lifestyle.....and yes, the same could be said about a person trying to "trun" a gay person into a straight. The difference in me and you is that I admit it happens. You guys are defending it either naively or just b/c "you think its the right thing to do."

DudeNtheRoom

im bi. I didnt realize it until I was a junior in high school. people dont know, from kindergarten, that they are gay just like most boys dont start getting the hots for girls until their Cajónes drop. why is this? its because of sexual development. as bodies and minds mature, they realize new things about themselves. this is how sexuality is reaffirmed or discovered. not becuase they saw Adam Lambert a few times on TV or becuase they know a guy who happens to be gay.

we arent saying that the existence of other gay people as an influence or a role-model does not contribute to the factors that would lead someone to be gay what we are saying is

1) if someone is straight, than they are not going to be turned gay unless they are tied to a chair and injected with mind altering drugs. If they "turn" gay than obviously they already were gay they just hadn't fully admitted it to themselves yet. or perhaps one could say that they had the "potential" to be gay or they could have simply been trapped in the closet by passive aggressive people like you who think their honest and open acknowledgement is an invasive attack on the autonomy of everyone around them.

2) if someone gets "turned" to being gay through dialogue, exposure, or advertisement it isnt a negative or reprehensible thing at all. its ok to be gay live with it.

3) people aren't brain-washable little sheep to the point where they cannot be exposed to anything without then seeking to emulate it.

4) a person's autonomy is not violated when their minds are opened to new possibilities. people make their own decisions. maybe the reason why they "chose" to be gay is because there is nothing wrong with it, and that it suits their interests and needs. did you ever think of that? did you once think to yourself

"hmm. maybe people freely make descisitions because they actually think them through and realize that some things have far more positive factors than negative ones."

5) gay people have every right to show off their relationships. whether you like it or not. heterosexuals have this right and they use it every day.

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"]

Personally, I thought I was arguing with a gay person. I CANNOT beleive one of you actually said gay ppl tend to learn later in life about their sexuality." when you'reNOT EVEN GAY I have no problem with gay ppl honestly. I just don't like how gay ppl can manipulate ppl into thier lifestyle.....and yes, the same could be said about a person trying to "trun" a gay person into a straight. The difference in me and you is that I admit it happens. You guys are defending it either naively or just b/c "you think its the right thing to do."

Teenaged

Mind you, discovering your sexuality later on in your life doesnt mean that said sexuality doesnt exist until then. It may mean it hasnt surfaced yet.

We dont claim its the right thing to do. This is not an issue where either way can be claimed to be the right or the wrong way.

You are changing what you're saying a bit. I thought we were talking about people who questioned their sexuality being "manipulated" by gay people; not confident heterosexuals being "manipulated" by gay people. So its not exactly accurate to make a comparison between that and straight people "manipulating" a gay person (mind you, not just someone who questions their sexuality but a gay person).

We are.......where did you get that I said a confident hetero? One guy was talking about it like he was gay...and wasn't. I'm saying there are ppl who question thier sexuality and gaet manipulated by gay ppl. Of coarse there are the opposites where straight ppl try and turn back gay ppl. Then there are those who are just crazylike Anne Heche.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"]

Personally, I thought I was arguing with a gay person. I CANNOT beleive one of you actually said gay ppl tend to learn later in life about their sexuality." when you'reNOT EVEN GAY I have no problem with gay ppl honestly. I just don't like how gay ppl can manipulate ppl into thier lifestyle.....and yes, the same could be said about a person trying to "trun" a gay person into a straight. The difference in me and you is that I admit it happens. You guys are defending it either naively or just b/c "you think its the right thing to do."

DudeNtheRoom

Mind you, discovering your sexuality later on in your life doesnt mean that said sexuality doesnt exist until then. It may mean it hasnt surfaced yet.

We dont claim its the right thing to do. This is not an issue where either way can be claimed to be the right or the wrong way.

You are changing what you're saying a bit. I thought we were talking about people who questioned their sexuality being "manipulated" by gay people; not confident heterosexuals being "manipulated" by gay people. So its not exactly accurate to make a comparison between that and straight people "manipulating" a gay person (mind you, not just someone who questions their sexuality but a gay person).

We are.......where did you get that I said a confident hetero? One guy was talking about it like he was gay...and wasn't. I'm saying there are ppl who question thier sexuality and gaet manipulated by gay ppl. Of coarse there are the opposites where straight ppl try and turn back gay ppl. Then there are those who are just crazylike Anne Heche.