North Korea says its leader Kim Jong-il has died

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"] Yes USA will go to war with iran, korea, and china. And USA will go to war with Russia, India, and UK too. Even though USA and UK friends, sometimes you have to go to war to say hi.resevl4rlz

hey anything can happen

It's not that North Korea won't change. It just won't change for the better.

How Kim Jong-Un will even consolidate enough power and support from the people of the Workers Party is unanswerable at the moment. There are several contenders for power, and he has not received as much training and preparation from his father as Kim Jong-Il did from Kim Il-Sung.

People will starve, but maybe even more now. If, in the event that NK collapses, famine and massive refugee flightmay occur as what little of the system breaks down. Some experts believe civil war might even break out, but I'd take that with a grain of salt.

r4v3gl0ry

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Well they cant get any worse. By the way, what is this "died by fatigue". That doesnt make any sense.

Shadow4020

I'm not sure. Maybe stress? Or they just made it up and his son kill him...:o Yes, I said it.

I'm watching CNN and they say he died of a "massive heart attack".

Thanks. Updated the first post.

[QUOTE="r4v3gl0ry"]

It's not that North Korea won't change. It just won't change for the better.

How Kim Jong-Un will even consolidate enough power and support from the people of the Workers Party is unanswerable at the moment. There are several contenders for power, and he has not received as much training and preparation from his father as Kim Jong-Il did from Kim Il-Sung.

People will starve, but maybe even more now. If, in the event that NK collapses, famine and massive refugee flightmay occur as what little of the system breaks down. Some experts believe civil war might even break out, but I'd take that with a grain of salt.

BossPerson

[QUOTE="commonfate"]

To people complaining about the food being shipped over... if this is such an alarming issue for you why not write your local congressman or whomever? Or will you just complain about it on forums and think "Yeah I'm right" hmm?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="r4v3gl0ry"]

It's not that North Korea won't change. It just won't change for the better.

How Kim Jong-Un will even consolidate enough power and support from the people of the Workers Party is unanswerable at the moment. There are several contenders for power, and he has not received as much training and preparation from his father as Kim Jong-Il did from Kim Il-Sung.

People will starve, but maybe even more now. If, in the event that NK collapses, famine and massive refugee flightmay occur as what little of the system breaks down. Some experts believe civil war might even break out, but I'd take that with a grain of salt.

BossPerson

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="commonfate"]

To people complaining about the food being shipped over... if this is such an alarming issue for you why not write your local congressman or whomever? Or will you just complain about it on forums and think "Yeah I'm right" hmm?

Ravensmash

[QUOTE="r4v3gl0ry"]

It's not that North Korea won't change. It just won't change for the better.

How Kim Jong-Un will even consolidate enough power and support from the people of the Workers Party is unanswerable at the moment. There are several contenders for power, and he has not received as much training and preparation from his father as Kim Jong-Il did from Kim Il-Sung.

People will starve, but maybe even more now. If, in the event that NK collapses, famine and massive refugee flightmay occur as what little of the system breaks down. Some experts believe civil war might even break out, but I'd take that with a grain of salt.

BossPerson

[QUOTE="r4v3gl0ry"]

It's not that North Korea won't change. It just won't change for the better.

How Kim Jong-Un will even consolidate enough power and support from the people of the Workers Party is unanswerable at the moment. There are several contenders for power, and he has not received as much training and preparation from his father as Kim Jong-Il did from Kim Il-Sung.

People will starve, but maybe even more now. If, in the event that NK collapses, famine and massive refugee flightmay occur as what little of the system breaks down. Some experts believe civil war might even break out, but I'd take that with a grain of salt.

BossPerson

The aid being sent to NK is pretty important. First of all, its a bargaining chip. It also encourages open dialog and good relations with a rogue nation that has nuclear weapons. Not to mention, people get fed. wolverine4262

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

[QUOTE="r4v3gl0ry"]

It's not that North Korea won't change. It just won't change for the better.

How Kim Jong-Un will even consolidate enough power and support from the people of the Workers Party is unanswerable at the moment. There are several contenders for power, and he has not received as much training and preparation from his father as Kim Jong-Il did from Kim Il-Sung.

People will starve, but maybe even more now. If, in the event that NK collapses, famine and massive refugee flightmay occur as what little of the system breaks down. Some experts believe civil war might even break out, but I'd take that with a grain of salt.

Pirate700

The aid being sent to NK is pretty important. First of all, its a bargaining chip. It also encourages open dialog and good relations with a rogue nation that has nuclear weapons. Not to mention, people get fed. wolverine4262

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]The aid being sent to NK is pretty important. First of all, its a bargaining chip. It also encourages open dialog and good relations with a rogue nation that has nuclear weapons. Not to mention, people get fed. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"]The aid being sent to NK is pretty important. First of all, its a bargaining chip. It also encourages open dialog and good relations with a rogue nation that has nuclear weapons. Not to mention, people get fed. wolverine4262

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] He's not really saying he's right - merely making a suggestion to those of you who seem caught up on a bit of food going out from your government.Ravensmash

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] And you didn't respond to my quote above.....LJS9502_basic

Not the year to be a dictator.

Still time for Ahmadinejad to croak.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] What are you talking about? The people that make the propaganda (the NK gov), are the same ones we would be bargaining with. They dont believe the crap they spew....Ravensmash

The aid being sent to NK is pretty important. First of all, its a bargaining chip. It also encourages open dialog and good relations with a rogue nation that has nuclear weapons. Not to mention, people get fed. wolverine4262

Good Job, 20-30 years too late IMO. Lets all hope the next leader opens up the country a bit more, though I highly doubt it.

Not the year to be a dictator.

Still time for Ahmadinejad to croak.

CycleOfViolence

Ahmadinejad may be the President of Iran but he is still subordinate to Al Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] What quote? The food aid one? ...the US and other financially large nations have the means and desire to help out poorer nations (especially those with populations who cannot help themselves). Not to mention it is also a political action. I'm lacking numbers, but I again hope you're not trying to imply that Americans are starving BECAUSE all the chicken is being sent to Korea or something ridiculous.Ravensmash

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]The aid being sent to NK is pretty important. First of all, its a bargaining chip. It also encourages open dialog and good relations with a rogue nation that has nuclear weapons. Not to mention, people get fed. cybrcatter

The US has been occupied elsewhere and Obama isn't going to initiate war unless something drastic happens. NK isn't going to go after the US with or without food they aren't prepared so I don't think that says all that much TBH.

LJS9502_basic

It'll be interesting to see what they do from here. The bad thing about the situation of reunification is if the North and South did decide to reunite it would cripple the South's economy. When Germany reunited over 20 years ago it cost them a lot of money and East Germany wasn't nearly as bad off as North Korea is now.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The US has been occupied elsewhere and Obama isn't going to initiate war unless something drastic happens. NK isn't going to go after the US with or without food they aren't prepared so I don't think that says all that much TBH.

wolverine4262

Well a civil war could break out in the next decade, and i think with China to the north and the US scared about the nukes it wont end well,

NK could collapse and be occupied by china, i guess this is a really bad scenario aswell

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The US has been occupied elsewhere and Obama isn't going to initiate war unless something drastic happens. NK isn't going to go after the US with or without food they aren't prepared so I don't think that says all that much TBH.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The US has been occupied elsewhere and Obama isn't going to initiate war unless something drastic happens. NK isn't going to go after the US with or without food they aren't prepared so I don't think that says all that much TBH.

wolverine4262

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="resevl4rlz"]

so will usa go to war with iran or korea,

how will this affect the asian market

Pirate700

Well a civil war could break out in the next decade, and i think with China to the north and the US scared about the nukes it wont end well,

NK could collapse and be occupied by china, i guess this is a really bad scenario aswell

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] This has way more to do with Russia, China, Japan, and S. Korea, than it does our own homeland. If the state collapses, there is a scenario where China tries to take the entire nation for itself. SK and Japan will not go for that.

Ravensmash

so will usa go to war with iran or korearesevl4rlz

Well a civil war could break out in the next decade, and i think with China to the north and the US scared about the nukes it wont end well,

NK could collapse and be occupied by china, i guess this is a really bad scenario aswell

Well a civil war could break out in the next decade, and i think with China to the north and the US scared about the nukes it wont end well,

NK could collapse and be occupied by china, i guess this is a really bad scenario aswell