Not enough faith or taking faith to seriously?

I'm sure most of you remember the one little girl who died sometime around April last yearbecause her parents refused to take her to the hospital and preferred to keep her at home and pray to God for the healing of their daughter.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341869,00.html

Obviously it didn't work because the poor girl died, but my question is ...... Why wasn't the payer answered? The parents attribute it to a lack of faith while others say they are delusional and took faith to seriously.

What is the more likely scenario IYO?

Too much praying and not enough ritual sacrifice.

The prayer wasn't answered because there's probably no one there to receive it.

If there is he's one cruel bastard.

Too much praying and not enough ritual sacrifice.

darkmoney52

Too much praying and not enough ritual sacrifice.

darkmoney52

having faith is fine, its your choice, but to put your daughters life into the mercy of just your faith is taking it too far.

if you believe there is a god, then by all means pray for your daughter, but you have to see logic and take her to the doctors.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]

Too much praying and not enough ritual sacrifice.

super_mario_128

The prayer wasn't answered because there's probably no one there to receive it.

TLM16

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"]

Too much praying and not enough ritual sacrifice.

unholymight

The bottom line: prayer doesn't work.

There have been countless studies done, many by religious people/groups, that have tried to show the efficacy of prayer, and all its shown is it has a slight placebo effect for those who know they are being prayed for, and no effect for people who didn't know.

Too much praying and not enough ritual sacrifice.

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"] POSEIDON WANT DEAD CATTLE. RAWR! But yeah, anyone who thinks prayer can heal physical pain is a tad deluded...darkmoney52

What's the difference between physical and emotional? Any emotion can be traced to electrical nerve impulses and hormones.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="unholymight"] So anyone who thinks prayer can heal emotional pain is not a tad deluded?unholymight

What's the difference between physical and emotional? There is a continuum between these two and they are thus inseperable. Any emotion can be traced to electrical nerve impulses and hormones.

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[QUOTE="darkmoney52"] It works for some people.darkmoney52

What's the difference between physical and emotional? There is a continuum between these two and they are thus inseperable. Any emotion can be traced to electrical nerve impulses and hormones.

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"] It works for some people.Greyfeld

What's the difference between physical and emotional? There is a continuum between these two and they are thus inseperable. Any emotion can be traced to electrical nerve impulses and hormones.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

What's the difference between physical and emotional? There is a continuum between these two and they are thus inseperable. Any emotion can be traced to electrical nerve impulses and hormones.

unholymight

But that doesn't mean that all emotional stress must be resolved with physical cures. For many religious people, their rituals and belief that something is looking out for them can be enough to get them past some hard times.

Emotions have a physical basis, that's what I meant. Electrical impulses and chemical hormones and their respective neuroreceptors.unholymight

Yeah, because the last time I slammed my finger in the car door, I was inexplicably washed over with feelings of love.

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"] I edited my post. You don't need faith in God to have faith in the placebo effect. And I'm not sure what your point was about about emotional and physical being connected.darkmoney52

But that doesn't mean that all emotional stress must be resolved with physical cures. For many religious people, their rituals and belief that something is looking out for them can be enough to get them past some hard times.

Since I'm christian, I'm going to say it was destined to be, and not read any other posts.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]

Too much praying and not enough ritual sacrifice.

super_mario_128

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] Emotions have a physical basis, that's what I meant. Electrical impulses and chemical hormones and their respective neuroreceptors.unholymight

But that doesn't mean that all emotional stress must be resolved with physical cures. For many religious people, their rituals and belief that something is looking out for them can be enough to get them past some hard times.

The bottom line: prayer doesn't work.

There have been countless studies done, many by religious people/groups, that have tried to show the efficacy of prayer, and all its shown is it has a slight placebo effect for those who know they are being prayed for, and no effect for people who didn't know.

foxhound_fox

Why wasn't the payer answered? The parents attribute it to a lack of faith while others say they are delusional and took faith to seriously._R34LiTY_

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"]

But that doesn't mean that all emotional stress must be resolved with physical cures. For many religious people, their rituals and belief that something is looking out for them can be enough to get them past some hard times.

darkmoney52

Well since those are your personal experiences and no one else is capable of testing or re-living them, there's no way to prove or disprove that.

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]Why wasn't the payer answered? The parents attribute it to a lack of faith while others say they are delusional and took faith to seriously.mindstorm

I didn't ask whether or not all of Jesus' prayers were answered,, so whatever slight point you're trying to make with that statement is pointless

The bottom line: prayer doesn't work.

There have been countless studies done, many by religious people/groups, that have tried to show the efficacy of prayer, and all its shown is it has a slight placebo effect for those who know they are being prayed for, and no effect for people who didn't know.

foxhound_fox

Wow I had no idea you could prove prayers..... I don't think it works like that.

Their prayer was answered. They were just too dumb to see modern medicine was the answer.

Since I'm christian, I'm going to say it was destined to be, and not read any other posts.

MasterBolt360

:? But... it wouldn't have happened if they took her to a hospital! Can't you just admit this was a lapse of judgement, an absolute failure to be responsible by the parents, rather than "oh it would have happened anyway?"

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]Why wasn't the payer answered? The parents attribute it to a lack of faith while others say they are delusional and took faith to seriously.mindstorm

I agree one could argue they were given the answer through a medical dr. But they refused. OMG the answer they wanted was right there but they ignored. Its all a possiblity. Parents messed up bad!

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]Why wasn't the payer answered? The parents attribute it to a lack of faith while others say they are delusional and took faith to seriously.mindstorm

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]Why wasn't the payer answered? The parents attribute it to a lack of faith while others say they are delusional and took faith to seriously.mindstorm

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]Why wasn't the payer answered? The parents attribute it to a lack of faith while others say they are delusional and took faith to seriously.unholymight

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]Why wasn't the payer answered? The parents attribute it to a lack of faith while others say they are delusional and took faith to seriously._R34LiTY_

I didn't ask whether or not all of Jesus' prayers were answered,, so whatever slight point you're trying to make with that statement is pointless

having faith is fine, its your choice, but to put your daughters life into the mercy of just your faith is taking it too far.

if you believe there is a god, then by all means pray for your daughter, but you have to see logic and take her to the doctors.

Would you be able to post links to this? I'm not disagreeing with you even remotely, I'm just curious.

ice144

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"] You do realize that even one of Jesus' own prayers was denied right? But for sake topic's sake, prayer should never be an excuse for inaction for any situation.supa_badman

I didn't ask whether or not all of Jesus' prayers were answered,, so whatever slight point you're trying to make with that statement is pointless

I'm not asking for example of what you're trying to say, but since you wont outrightly say it, i'll assume for you thatwhat you're saying is that they took faith to far.

I'm sure most of you remember the one little girl who died sometime around April last yearbecause her parents refused to take her to the hospital and preferred to keep her at home and pray to God for the healing of their daughter.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341869,00.html

Obviously it didn't work because the poor girl died, but my question is ...... Why wasn't the payer answered? The parents attribute it to a lack of faith while others say they are delusional and took faith to seriously.

What is the more likely scenario IYO?

_R34LiTY_

Since I'm christian, I'm going to say it was destined to be, and not read any other posts.

MasterBolt360

Oh they have 3 other children :? yeah they dont sound like they should be looking after them, they sound mentally ill if you ask me.

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Since I'm christian, I'm going to say it was destined to be, and not read any other posts.

SapSacPrime

HA! Yes. Ignorance is bliss.

God probably just said "no."

I agree. Prayer is extremely beneficial for believers but prayer should always come before action, not in place of action. mindstorm

i would disagree with that and say that in this instance it would be the right thing for the parents to take their ill daughter to the hospital first, then seeing as they are christian and feel that prayer helps them, that would be the time for them to pray.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] I agree. Prayer is extremely beneficial for believers but prayer should always come before action, not in place of action. Dr_Manfattan

i would disagree with that and say that in this instance it would be the right thing for the parents to take their ill daughter to the hospital first, then seeing as they are christian and feel that prayer helps them, that would be the time for them to pray.

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"] I agree. Prayer is extremely beneficial for believers but prayer should always come before action, not in place of action. mindstorm

i would disagree with that and say that in this instance it would be the right thing for the parents to take their ill daughter to the hospital first, then seeing as they are christian and feel that prayer helps them, that would be the time for them to pray.

Sounds like a good compromise. I remember when I spent 3 days in the hospital. The prayers came after I was in and not before, though I still like the idea of praying on the way to the hospital. :P