Nothing after death?

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]

And that is the fear of death. Permanently loosing consciousness...

Dystopian-X

It's not really all that irrational as you claimed.

I'll try to give you a better picture of what I'm actually talking about. Let's say that you are walking down the street and everything is fine, you aren't thinking about this subject at all. Then unexpectedly within a micro second your consciousness is terminated. What have you become? Did anything ever matter? What is fear? Will you ever know anything again? All of these questions have become irrelevant and so have you. The nothingness that is found in death cannot be feared once it swallows you whole. You can spend your whole life thinking about it, but it's forever incomprehensible. It has no face! However, you can totally fear your life coming to its end.

There's a big difference though.

Assassin1349

I have no idea what's so incomprehensible about having your consciousness terminated. Have you never been asleep? Have you never been knocked out cold? Isn't that basically similar to being you know, dead? Or we can ask ppl who have come out of a comatose state if that helps.

Ppl fear that state of nothingness which is totally comprehensible. And no I don't find the big difference. That's like saying: I'm afraid of losing my watch but I'm not afraid of not having it.

I've always wanted to ask some elderly folks what their thoughts are on this, however, I've been hesitant to do so as they'd probably kill me. :P

I get the feeling there has to be something after death, I just have no clue what. So I just live my life without worrying about things like that.

vaultboy_ninja

You're right ,there is something after death , BUT I have the clue :

As a muslim , we know every thing between death and the end of the world (judgement day)

there is another life after death but it's not a normal life, it's called tomb life

you live in tomb but not like a normal human ,only your soul lives (not your body) , when you get in ur tomb , tow angels come and ask your soul about your god and you prophet and your religion , and you'll answer them (you can't lie on them ) , your life when you were alive will make your tomb either a paradise or a hole in the hell so make your choice now, search for the truth.

As Muslims our clue is The Holy Quraan.

[QUOTE="vaultboy_ninja"]

I get the feeling there has to be something after death, I just have no clue what. So I just live my life without worrying about things like that.

eldonkhaled

You're right ,there is something after death , BUT I have the clue :

As a muslim , we know every thing between death and the end of the world (judgement day)

there is another life after death but it's not a normal life, it's called tomb life

you live in tomb but not like a normal human ,only your soul lives (not your body) , when you get in ur tomb , tow angels come and ask your soul about your god and you prophet and your religion , and you'll answer them (you can't lie on them ) , your life when you were alive will make your tomb either a paradise or a hole in the hell so make your choice now, search for the truth.

As Muslims our clue is The Holy Quraan.

What if you're part of another religion, or atheist? Is there a place for "non-believers"? Because of one's inability to lie, is there a right or wrong answer?

[QUOTE="vaultboy_ninja"]

I get the feeling there has to be something after death, I just have no clue what. So I just live my life without worrying about things like that.

eldonkhaled

You're right ,there is something after death , BUT I have the clue :

As a muslim , we know every thing between death and the end of the world (judgement day)

there is another life after death but it's not a normal life, it's called tomb life

you live in tomb but not like a normal human ,only your soul lives (not your body) , when you get in ur tomb , tow angels come and ask your soul about your god and you prophet and your religion , and you'll answer them (you can't lie on them ) , your life when you were alive will make your tomb either a paradise or a hole in the hell so make your choice now, search for the truth.

As Muslims our clue is The Holy Quraan.

How can there BE nothing? Nothingness doesn't exist by definition. Also, from experiences with people in coma, they experience it like falling asleep, and waking up immediately after that even if they were in coma for several years. I don't think it would be weird if after your death you immediately wake up... somewhere else?

How can there BE nothing? Nothingness doesn't exist by definition. Also, from experiences with people in coma, they experience it like falling asleep, and waking up immediately after that even if they were in coma for several years. I don't think it would be weird if after your death you immediately wake up... somewhere else?

11Marcel

There is nothing after death there is no such thing as a soul. We think we are some individual but we are just a bundle of cells working together creating a illusion of self awareness. We are just randomness in a unlimited space and eventually we all return to space dust.

[QUOTE="11Marcel"]

How can there BE nothing? Nothingness doesn't exist by definition. Also, from experiences with people in coma, they experience it like falling asleep, and waking up immediately after that even if they were in coma for several years. I don't think it would be weird if after your death you immediately wake up... somewhere else?

Assassin1349

I'd be rock-solid. Or, I'd be THE Rock, however I'm sure Dwayne Johnson would find me hiding in the sand somewhere and take his title back...

There is nothing after death there is no such thing as a soul. We think we are some individual but we are just a bundle of cells working together creating a illusion of self awareness. We are just randomness in a unlimited space and eventually we all return to space dust.

hungry_pirate

In that case, what is intelligence, and why cant I see it?

There is nothing after death there is no such thing as a soul. We think we are some individual but we are just a bundle of cells working together creating a illusion of self awareness. We are just randomness in a unlimited space and eventually we all return to space dust.

hungry_pirate

Meh, until a scientist can tell me exactly what it is that gives rise to consciousness and self awareness, which they can't do, I prefer to believe differently. Randomly organized atoms and particles don't just organize themselves into thinking, reasoning awareness. God is the absolute consciousness that permeates the entire universe, and IS the Universe, and through vibration of energy gives rise to all structure that we see (stars, planets, trees, atoms, ect.). This consciousness is the self awareness that we all experience as our individual self. We are individualized through the context of our bodies and minds, but that underlying awareness of ourselves is the "likeness of God" that we are all imbued with.

There is nothing after death there is no such thing as a soul. We think we are some individual but we are just a bundle of cells working together creating a illusion of self awareness. We are just randomness in a unlimited space and eventually we all return to space dust.

hungry_pirate

Whenever I see people give a clear-cut answer to questions such as these - on either side of the aisle, mind you - I am always reminded of a quote from H. L. Mencken:

"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong."

The fact is that science does not even know what consciousness is, let alone where it comes from or what happens to one's consciousness when one dies. What makes you "you", that thing which one may identify as "you" and which may thereby be differentiated meaningfully and uniquely from all else in the world? What, precisely, is that which we know as sentience, the ability for one to be "aware": to truly recognize one's position in the greater scope of things, rather than to simply be an automaton with a given set of actions to perform in the world simply due to one's "programming", if you will? You may deny if you like the existence of individuals or of self-awareness, but that would seem to me to be an awfully strange assertion to make, considering that, if so, who is it that is denying those concepts, and how does the one doing so know about that which is being denied?

As Mencken notes, these are all very complex questions to which many offer extremely simple answers that are really based on essentially nothing but their own speculation, given the current paucity of real, hard scientific knowledge on the topic.

there is something after death, i'm sure of that.

[QUOTE="hungry_pirate"]

There is nothing after death there is no such thing as a soul. We think we are some individual but we are just a bundle of cells working together creating a illusion of self awareness. We are just randomness in a unlimited space and eventually we all return to space dust.

GabuEx

Whenever I see people give a clear-cut answer to questions such as these - on either side of the aisle, mind you - I am always reminded of a quote from H. L. Mencken:

"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong."

The fact is that science does not even know what consciousness is, let alone where it comes from or what happens to one's consciousness when one dies. What makes you "you", that thing which one may identify as "you" and which may thereby be differentiated meaningfully and uniquely from all else in the world? What, precisely, is that which we know as sentience, the ability for one to be "aware": to truly recognize one's position in the greater scope of things, rather than to simply be an automaton with a given set of actions to perform in the world simply due to one's "programming", if you will? You may deny if you like the existence of individuals or of self-awareness, but that would seem to me to be an awfully strange assertion to make, considering that, if so, who is it that is denying those concepts, and how does the one doing so know about that which is being denied?

As Mencken notes, these are all very complex questions to which many offer extremely simple answers that are really based on essentially nothing but their own speculation, given the current paucity of real, hard scientific knowledge on the topic.

Eloquently put Gabu. What I placed as my idea is simply what I've come to believe based on my current knowledge and inner wisdom. Meditation is actually a very useful tool when trying to ponder Ultimate reality and the implications of it all. Truly to understand it, you have to be out of your mind. Feelings are the language of the soul and will guide you to wisdom you didn't know you had. I don't know if my idea is right about consciousness, but based on my awareness and experience, it makes sense to me that what we call "consciousness" and "self awareness" is actually the eternal and omnipotent consciousness that we call God, individualized through the filter of our body and mind.

there is something after death, i'm sure of that.

jpph

Once you realize that you can truly die AT ANY TIME is when you'll realize that our society was never meant to fear death. That's what I believe and that's why I live everyday standing behind the decisions I make. Life's to short to be affected by others. You'll live and I can guarantee you you'll die.

Clocks Ticking.......

[QUOTE="LiftedHeadshot"]Human tendency is to seek solace and escape fear by creating such ideas as reincarnation. But honestly, if reincarnation did exist, we would never know. Our thoughts and memories in this life would be erased.Rekunta

Don't you mean escape fear and seek solace by creating such things as Heaven? As a believer of reincarnation, I find it a terrifying belief to hold, as I look around at all the horrors capable in our world and think to myself, "....just the luck of the draw....". Ultimately, the situations we find ourselves in this life stem from blind luck, nothing more, and being reborn guarantees nothing. It's a frightening thing to contemplate, and it's not a belief I particularly enjoy holding. Who would wish to live again, especially as a freakin' cow in a slaughterhouse waiting for its throat to be cut?

No thanks.

it depends on your perspective.

yea, there is a lot of horror in the world

but there is also a lot of beauty. I would argue more beauty than there is horror.

[QUOTE="cluclap"]

I'm scared though, what if there is nothing after we die?

Well, if there isn't, then we won't be around after we die to find out, so... :P

[QUOTE="cluclap"]

I'm scared though, what if there is nothing after we die?

GabuEx

Well, if there isn't, then we won't be around after we die to find out, so... :P

I guess this is true^^. I just don't like the feeling of leaving some of the most beautiful memories and moments behind on Earth. Even though there are a bunch of bad things happening, there is still a lot of beauty on this planet.cluclap

Nothingness may not be an appealing concept to sentient beings who like consciousness, but if this is what happens, you have nothing to fear, as you won't be capable of experiencing it. I don't fear it... but nor do I have any wish to enter into it.

I think there is nothing after death, but that doesnt mean that i wouldnt like it to be something (random stuff, not the Heaven/hell sort of "after life"... just pure randomness would be nice)

Still, i dont want to experience what is after life just yet... whatever it is

I'm like you on that one. People are either saying "what do you think will happen on 2012 December 21?" or "what will you do when December 21, 2012 gets here?". I'm sick of it. When you die then you'll either go to heaven or hell. When judgement day does come, the good people will go to heaven and the bad ones will go to hell and burn FOREVER.coolkid93

:lol: looking at your user icon and listening to this made me laugh. :P


I wish there was something after death anyway, re-incarnation sounds cool, but I'd rather be re-incarnated in another galaxy or some sort. 8)

I have a gut feeling that there is something after death, how did you come up with the concept that we all just get reborned ?ZombiefiedZomB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

Chill people :D

I find it pointless to worry about what happens after life. Why should we concern ourselves with something that doesnt pertain to us at this point in time? We should focus on living life, doing the best we can do, and dont be jerks. If we live a good life, at least the moment BEFORE you die you can go "Heck yea, I had a great time while it lasted!"

Whatever our 'eternal fate' is, we shouldn't worry too much about it, cause it hasnt happened yet ;)

Basic rules of life: Dont be a jerk, dont kick kittens, and give everything your best.

Nobody knows what happens.MoonMarvel

Dead people do :P

[QUOTE="Grandotaku"]

why are there so many death threads these days.

coolkid93

I think we start over as a baby. The cycle continues until the end of time. I'm scared though, what if there is nothing after we die?

cluclap

I think we start over as a baby.

cluclap

I think that what you say is true TC but after we die and return as somebody else, the memories of our past lives disappear. Despite my parents are Christian, I don't believe the souls go to another place; I mean, that place would be super uber populated by billions of souls. Miroku32

Supposedly 96% of our universe is madeup of "Dark matter", so maybe there's room?

Nobody will be disappointed in death! They either experience an afterlife, or they are not conscious of the fact they are dead. So quit worrying about it! Sometimes life is wasted on the living.

I think we start over as a baby. The cycle continues until the end of time. I'm scared though, what if there is nothing after we die?

cluclap

[QUOTE="ZombiefiedZomB"]I have a gut feeling that there is something after death, how did you come up with the concept that we all just get reborned ?cluclap

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="cluclap"]

I'm scared though, what if there is nothing after we die?

Mr_Leonis

Well, if there isn't, then we won't be around after we die to find out, so... :P

The mind is more of a transformer than the actual source of our consciousness and thoughts. Scientists still don't know what gives rise to consciousness and self awareness, so our consciousness could very well go on being self aware after our bodies die.

It makes a lot of sense to me though that "the likeness of God" that we were all given by God, is that self aware consciousness. I believe that our personal KNOWING that we are we, is that part of God that we all have, individualized through the filter of our bodies and mind.

Why do people have to make up crazy ideas about reincarnation and heaven? I just don't understand what's so hard to grasp about death. When you die you die. Your conscious disappears therefore you disappear. Your body is nothing, but a shell, you ARE your brain so once that's gone so are you. So I hate it when people say "Oh I hope there is something after death, it would be dreadful if it's just nothingness."

Some people just don't seem to grasp the idea of not existing so they have to create these false little fairy tales of an existence after existence to cope with death. You want to know what death is? Do you remember how it was before you were born? Of course not because you didn't exist. That's death, you don't exist anymore

I can give you the Biblical explanation...

Ecclesiastes 9:5

"For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten."

But there is hope for the dead, in Jesus' words.

John 5:28

"Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment."