Nuclear Power - Yea or Nay?

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#51 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"] And yet its stil cause less dealths and injuries than other power sources. Makes you wonder doesn't it.

True, but the consequences IF something happens are so bigger in scale.
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#52 HoolaHoopMan
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It's a bit funny that so many say its safer and cleaner. What about the nuclear waste? What about the 'if'-factor, and I know it's a big if, the fact that if the plant blows up or whatever, there's a huge area that's contaminated with toxic waste and radiation and what not.Deihjan
You store the waste, and newer models are going to make longer use of fuel rods. Newer plants aren't going to "blow up" as the material in plants can't be nuclear. The worst nuclear disaster in history claimed a few dozen lives because of incompetence and outdated design. Compare that to other types of energy and the amount of return you get...it isn't even comparable.
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#53 Acemaster27
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We dont have enough uranium to make it a LONG TERM alternative.

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We can use thorium or plutonium.

Thorium is actually really intriguing because a thorium reactor is not self-sustaining so it will require a particle accelerator on site to keep bombarding the sample with neutrons. Some percentage of the energy generated will go to running the accelerator, but it would be a lot safer because as long as the accelerator is shut off the reactor has no way to go critical.
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#54 deactivated-59f03d6ce656b
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It's a bit funny that so many say its safer and cleaner. What about the nuclear waste? What about the 'if'-factor, and I know it's a big if, the fact that if the plant blows up or whatever, there's a huge area that's contaminated with toxic waste and radiation and what not.Deihjan
Nuclear waste can be stored . A plant blowing up is very unlikely. Why do people not want to stop using oil or coal after all of the environmental disasters from it but anything happens with nuclear power and it has to be stopped immediately.

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#55 Serraph105
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I'm more for wind, solar, and wave power. I'm for nuclear power also, but for me at least it's not my first choice. People can say the technology is safe statisitically much like airplanes. the problem is that when nuclear reactors do go down it effects loads and loads of people and it can effect the place it happened at for years.

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#56 AutoPilotOn
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I'm more for wind, solar, and wave power. I'm for nuclear power also, but for me at least it's not my first choice. People can say the technology is safe statisitically much like airplanes. the problem is that when nuclear reactors do go down it effects loads and loads of people and it can effect the place it happened at for years.

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Everybody wants these sources or power till they are built and then you get tons of people sueing to have them removed and complain about them.
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#58 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

I'm more for wind, solar, and wave power. I'm for nuclear power also, but for me at least it's not my first choice. People can say the technology is safe statisitically much like airplanes. the problem is that when nuclear reactors do go down it effects loads and loads of people and it can effect the place it happened at for years.

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Everybody wants these sources or power till they are built and then you get tons of people sueing to have them removed and complain about them.

well I won't sue anyone for having a wind farm
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#59 rockerbikie
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No. I don't. Solar, wind and Thermal is a safer option. What's the point of money if there are Nuclear spillages and unnessacary life lost.

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#60 coolbeans90
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No. I don't Solar, wind and Thermal is a safer option.

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Not by much.

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#61 SolidSnake35
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All electronics should be powered by a winding mechanism. Problem solved.
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#62 rockerbikie
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No. I don't Solar, wind and Thermal is a safer option.

Not by much.

Also, it is a renewable source of Energy. I mean how good would it be if we could harvest the sun's energy for all our electrical needs.
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No. I don't. Solar, wind and Thermal is a safer option. What's the point of money if there are Nuclear spillages and unnessacary life lost.

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The biggest disaster in Nuclear history killed 50 people. that makes it safer then almost every other type of power.
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No. I don't. Solar, wind and Thermal is a safer option. What's the point of money if there are Nuclear spillages and unnessacary life lost.

The biggest disaster in Nuclear history killed 50 people. that makes it safer then almost every other type of power.

Nuclear Waste makes mutations and cancer occur. Also it would be used for weapons.
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#65 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

No. I don't Solar, wind and Thermal is a safer option.

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Not by much.

Also, it is a renewable source of Energy. I mean how good would it be if we could harvest the sun's energy for all our electrical needs.

Nuclear will last for quite a time yet. I think it would be nice to colonize other planets. But, well, reality is a b****. The cost, power production and reliability of those are far surpassed by other methods.

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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

No. I don't. Solar, wind and Thermal is a safer option. What's the point of money if there are Nuclear spillages and unnessacary life lost.

rockerbikie

The biggest disaster in Nuclear history killed 50 people. that makes it safer then almost every other type of power.

Nuclear Waste makes mutations and cancer occur. Also it would be used for weapons.

No it cannot.

Waste can be stored where it does not interact with anyone, also with new tech the waste can be reused.

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[QUOTE="rockerbikie"][QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="rockerbikie"] [QUOTE="rockerbikie"][QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

No. I don't. Solar, wind and Thermal is a safer option. What's the point of money if there are Nuclear spillages and unnessacary life lost.

The biggest disaster in Nuclear history killed 50 people. that makes it safer then almost every other type of power.

Nuclear Waste makes mutations and cancer occur. Also it would be used for weapons.

Someone's been playing too much Fallout lately.
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#68 AutoPilotOn
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No. I don't. Solar, wind and Thermal is a safer option. What's the point of money if there are Nuclear spillages and unnessacary life lost.

rockerbikie
Sure the world would be great if everything was just what is best for everybody and safest. Unfortunitly cost is a MAJOR factor.
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#69 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="rockerbikie"]

No. I don't. Solar, wind and Thermal is a safer option. What's the point of money if there are Nuclear spillages and unnessacary life lost.

rockerbikie

The biggest disaster in Nuclear history killed 50 people. that makes it safer then almost every other type of power.

Nuclear Waste makes mutations and cancer occur. Also it would be used for weapons.

Yeah, and a grand total of 50 people died as a result from those problems as of yet. (according to the U.N.) And nuclear weapons existed (and were used) before nuclear power. Not to mention the waste is generally stored elsewhere since power plants don't make weapons grade waste. So, irrelevant.

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#70 rockerbikie
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

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Not by much.

Also, it is a renewable source of Energy. I mean how good would it be if we could harvest the sun's energy for all our electrical needs.

Nuclear will last for quite a time yet. I think it would be nice to colonize other planets. But, well, reality is a b****. The cost, power production and reliability of those are far surpassed by other methods.

I know cost, Power Production and Relibility is an issue but if we stuff up. Future Generations will blame us. I don't want a chane that westuff up the Earth for Future Generations.
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Yes. It's our best alternative right now.

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[QUOTE="rockerbikie"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Also, it is a renewable source of Energy. I mean how good would it be if we could harvest the sun's energy for all our electrical needs.rockerbikie

Nuclear will last for quite a time yet. I think it would be nice to colonize other planets. But, well, reality is a b****. The cost, power production and reliability of those are far surpassed by other methods.

I know cost, Power Production and Relibility is an issue but if we stuff up. Future Generations will blame us. I don't want a chane that westuff up the Earth for Future Generations.

To build a wind turbine that will produce enough energy for the average size house would cost about 50,000 bucks (not including maintance) If you just put one in your back yard you can do your part for furture generations.
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#73 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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No. My home country still bears the scars of the Chernobyl disaster all these years later. It generates high electricity, but storing the spent fuel rods and just making sure it runs safe is not ok with me. Humanity needs to figure out another, more safe to the environment and to humans, alternative to generate large amounts of electricity.
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[QUOTE="rockerbikie"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Nuclear will last for quite a time yet. I think it would be nice to colonize other planets. But, well, reality is a b****. The cost, power production and reliability of those are far surpassed by other methods.

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I know cost, Power Production and Relibility is an issue but if we stuff up. Future Generations will blame us. I don't want a chane that westuff up the Earth for Future Generations.

To build a wind turbine that will produce enough energy for the average size house would cost about 50,000 bucks (not including maintance) If you just put one in your back yard you can do your part for furture generations.

I already have Solar Power on my house.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"] Also, it is a renewable source of Energy. I mean how good would it be if we could harvest the sun's energy for all our electrical needs.rockerbikie

Nuclear will last for quite a time yet. I think it would be nice to colonize other planets. But, well, reality is a b****. The cost, power production and reliability of those are far surpassed by other methods.

I know cost, Power Production and Relibility is an issue but if we stuff up. Future Generations will blame us. I don't want a chane that westuff up the Earth for Future Generations.

In the long run, we're all dead. The functionality of society requires electric power, and a lot of it. Nuclear power is without rival the most viable mid-term solution. It is clean, very safe, reliable, provides an ample supply of energy and is affordable. In the mean time, alternative technologies (solar, wind, etc.) can continue to be developed and refined, so that in the case in which a switch actually needs to be made, the transition would be a remotely practical endeavor. That would be the preferable scenario for future generations, reason being that solar power is hardly what one could refer to as a mature technology, and current infrastructure would be replaced anyway.

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#76 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="rockerbikie"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Nuclear will last for quite a time yet. I think it would be nice to colonize other planets. But, well, reality is a b****. The cost, power production and reliability of those are far surpassed by other methods.

AutoPilotOn

I know cost, Power Production and Relibility is an issue but if we stuff up. Future Generations will blame us. I don't want a chane that westuff up the Earth for Future Generations.

To build a wind turbine that will produce enough energy for the average size house would cost about 50,000 bucks (not including maintance) If you just put one in your back yard you can do your part for furture generations.

A romantic sentiment, but wind turbines and solar panels generally have an effective lifespan of about 20-30 years.

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I think we don't live in a world where we can rely on nuclear power anymore. The world, the climate is changing and natural disasters are going to become more frequent. With nuclear plants everywhere it is like living in a time bomb.
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I think we don't live in a world where we can rely on nuclear power anymore. The world, the climate is changing and natural disasters are going to become more frequent. With nuclear plants everywhere it is like living in a time bomb.kuraimen

Natural disasters such as earthquakes are not becoming a trend. If anything, nuclear power is the only existing viable large-scale alternative to fossil fuels.

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I think we don't live in a world where we can rely on nuclear power anymore. The world, the climate is changing and natural disasters are going to become more frequent. With nuclear plants everywhere it is like living in a time bomb.kuraimen
I dont think its wise to judge world events over the past 10, 100, 1000 or even the history of mankind to be fair in judging world disasters over the history of the planet.
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#80 Morphic
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It is a very good energy source. And the only way we can make it better for the world and more safe is by going through with it. In order to be better at it we have to keep moving forward with nuclear reactor technology.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I think we don't live in a world where we can rely on nuclear power anymore. The world, the climate is changing and natural disasters are going to become more frequent. With nuclear plants everywhere it is like living in a time bomb.coolbeans90

Natural disasters such as earthquakes are not becoming a trend. If anything, nuclear power is the only existing viable large-scale alternative to fossil fuels.

Not really if we learn to rationalize more energy we could live using solar, wind, water energy, etc. We already know that the climate in the Earth changes radically either by natural processes or because of man. It is not a matter of if that's going to happen but when. That means that the places nations are building nuclear plants now will not be the same forever. Natural disasters can happen anytime and a drastic climate change can cause nuclear plants in regions thought to be safe to break. I say we are very stupid if we risk it.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I think we don't live in a world where we can rely on nuclear power anymore. The world, the climate is changing and natural disasters are going to become more frequent. With nuclear plants everywhere it is like living in a time bomb.AutoPilotOn
I dont think its wise to judge world events over the past 10, 100, 1000 or even the history of mankind to be fair in judging world disasters over the history of the planet.

I don't think it's wise to wait for a disaster to happen to say ooops.
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[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]I think we don't live in a world where we can rely on nuclear power anymore. The world, the climate is changing and natural disasters are going to become more frequent. With nuclear plants everywhere it is like living in a time bomb.kuraimen
I dont think its wise to judge world events over the past 10, 100, 1000 or even the history of mankind to be fair in judging world disasters over the history of the planet.

I don't think it's wise to wait for a disaster to happen to say ooops.

I dont eigther but I don't think its smart to rule out a current affordable cleaner than most energy source for lots of what ifs.
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I'm starting to sway my opinion on nuclear power with the past events. Perhaps a Safer alternative?
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#85 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"] I dont think its wise to judge world events over the past 10, 100, 1000 or even the history of mankind to be fair in judging world disasters over the history of the planet.AutoPilotOn
I don't think it's wise to wait for a disaster to happen to say ooops.

I dont eigther but I don't think its smart to rule out a current affordable cleaner than most energy source for lots of what ifs.

When the what ifs involve such terrible consequences the wise thing is to err in the side of caution. But we humans are not used to being very wise IMO.
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[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] I don't think it's wise to wait for a disaster to happen to say ooops.kuraimen
I dont eigther but I don't think its smart to rule out a current affordable cleaner than most energy source for lots of what ifs.

When the what ifs involve such terrible consequences the wise thing is to err in the side of caution. But we humans are not used to being very wise IMO.

I am all for different energy sources. What do you purpose can put out as much as nuclear and be cost affective?
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[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] I don't think it's wise to wait for a disaster to happen to say ooops.kuraimen
I dont eigther but I don't think its smart to rule out a current affordable cleaner than most energy source for lots of what ifs.

When the what ifs involve such terrible consequences the wise thing is to err in the side of caution. But we humans are not used to being very wise IMO.

Being wise would be to stop destroying the environment by burning coal. Nuclear power can replace coal today and would help drastically cut back on humans impact on the environment. Look at France over 80% of their power is from nuclear plants and they are doing fine.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"] I dont eigther but I don't think its smart to rule out a current affordable cleaner than most energy source for lots of what ifs. AutoPilotOn
When the what ifs involve such terrible consequences the wise thing is to err in the side of caution. But we humans are not used to being very wise IMO.

I am all for different energy sources. What do you purpose can put out as much as nuclear and be cost affective?

There is nothing else. Everyone likes living in fairyland with perfect power sources.
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I refuse nuclear power in all its forms.
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I think we don't live in a world where we can rely on nuclear power anymore. The world, the climate is changing and natural disasters are going to become more frequent. With nuclear plants everywhere it is like living in a time bomb.kuraimen

Natural disasters such as earthquakes are not becoming a trend. If anything, nuclear power is the only existing viable large-scale alternative to fossil fuels.

Not really if we learn to rationalize more energy we could live using solar, wind, water energy, etc. We already know that the climate in the Earth changes radically either by natural processes or because of man. It is not a matter of if that's going to happen but when. That means that the places nations are building nuclear plants now will not be the same forever. Natural disasters can happen anytime and a drastic climate change can cause nuclear plants in regions thought to be safe to break. I say we are very stupid if we risk it.

Even if energy is rationed, solar, wind are going to provide an insufficient amount of power for the needs of society, at exorbitant costs, and in unreliable swings that vary by weather. Natural disasters can happen anywhere, but unless a plant is on a fault line, or low sea level, then the risk is virtually non-existent even in the scenario of climate change. A factor you seem to overlook is the carbon emission drops which would result from using nuclear power. In other words, the minor problems it faces could be alleviated by using more of it. If we do not risk it, then we are objectively analyzing the information given to us because of sensationalistic fear mongering.

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I'm starting to sway my opinion on nuclear power with the past events. Perhaps a Safer alternative?bbkkristian
There is nothing else we can use. Other alternative energy sources like wind, solar, etc., are all fine, but it is impossible for those sources to provide nonstop consistent energy on a large scale throughout the country. They can possibly provide 5-10%, maybe more if expanded enough, of America's total energy, but the only alternative energy source that can provide enough energy for this country is nuclear. So basically, nuclear or coal. Which is safer? Nuclear by a looooong shot.
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#92 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] I don't think it's wise to wait for a disaster to happen to say ooops.kuraimen
I dont eigther but I don't think its smart to rule out a current affordable cleaner than most energy source for lots of what ifs.

When the what ifs involve such terrible consequences the wise thing is to err in the side of caution. But we humans are not used to being very wise IMO.

The what ifs are rather trivial when considering that these things aren't nuclear warheads and can withstand 8.9 magnitude earthquakes and not cause a major crises.

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Yea or nay... hmmm... that's a tough one, for sure... I know! -- let's ask the good people of Japan....
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#94 coolbeans90
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I'm starting to sway my opinion on nuclear power with the past events. Perhaps a Safer alternative?bbkkristian

Such as? Coal, no. Gas, no.

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#95 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"] I dont eigther but I don't think its smart to rule out a current affordable cleaner than most energy source for lots of what ifs.

When the what ifs involve such terrible consequences the wise thing is to err in the side of caution. But we humans are not used to being very wise IMO.

Being wise would be to stop destroying the environment by burning coal. Nuclear power can replace coal today and would help drastically cut back on humans impact on the environment. Look at France over 80% of their power is from nuclear plants and they are doing fine.

Stopping a bad thing with another bad thing is anything but wise. I prefer safer energies like solar and wind but for that we have to be much more mature than I think we are. We have to acknowledge that progress for the sake of progress is not good that growing for the sake of growing is not good. Maybe then we will realize that we can slow things down and live with more moderate and frugal energy sources. If we continue our dumb search for the dogma of progress and growth we came up with we won't be able to do that and we will go from a bad thing to the next until we destroy the planet one way or another.
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Even if energy is rationed, solar, wind are going to provide an insufficient amount of power for the needs of society, at exorbitant costs, and in unreliable swings that vary by weather. Natural disasters can happen anywhere, but unless a plant is on a fault line, or low sea level, then the risk is virtually non-existent even in the scenario of climate change. A factor you seem to overlook is the carbon emission drops which would result from using nuclear power. In other words, the minor problems it faces could be alleviated by using more of it. If we do not risk it, then we are objectively analyzing the information given to us because of sensationalistic fear mongering.

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There are already plenty of nuclear plants in earthquake prone zones. Not to mention there are plants in hurricane prone zones (a few on Florida's panhandle) and other place where natural disasters are common. We never hear any problems with those reactors. In fact, the reactor that is having the problem has been in an earthquake prone zone for 40 years and been hit by quite a few earthquakes and there has never been a problem publicized. I think what happened was a rare occurrence.

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#97 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Even if energy is rationed, solar, wind are going to provide an insufficient amount of power for the needs of society, at exorbitant costs, and in unreliable swings that vary by weather. Natural disasters can happen anywhere, but unless a plant is on a fault line, or low sea level, then the risk is virtually non-existent even in the scenario of climate change. A factor you seem to overlook is the carbon emission drops which would result from using nuclear power. In other words, the minor problems it faces could be alleviated by using more of it. If we do not risk it, then we are objectively analyzing the information given to us because of sensationalistic fear mongering.

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There are already plenty of nuclear plants in earthquake prone zones. Not to mention there are plants in hurricane prone zones (a few on Florida's panhandle) and other place where natural disasters are common. We never hear any problems with those reactors. In fact, the reactor that is having the problem has been in an earthquake prone zone for 40 years and been hit by quite a few earthquakes and there has never been a problem publicized. I think what happened was a rare occurrence.

Yep. And one which can be taken into account to avoid in the future by using a more robust design.

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#98 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Natural disasters such as earthquakes are not becoming a trend. If anything, nuclear power is the only existing viable large-scale alternative to fossil fuels.

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Not really if we learn to rationalize more energy we could live using solar, wind, water energy, etc. We already know that the climate in the Earth changes radically either by natural processes or because of man. It is not a matter of if that's going to happen but when. That means that the places nations are building nuclear plants now will not be the same forever. Natural disasters can happen anytime and a drastic climate change can cause nuclear plants in regions thought to be safe to break. I say we are very stupid if we risk it.

Even if energy is rationed, solar, wind are going to provide an insufficient amount of power for the needs of society, at exorbitant costs, and in unreliable swings that vary by weather. Natural disasters can happen anywhere, but unless a plant is on a fault line, or low sea level, then the risk is virtually non-existent even in the scenario of climate change. A factor you seem to overlook is the carbon emission drops which would result from using nuclear power. In other words, the minor problems it faces could be alleviated by using more of it. If we do not risk it, then we are objectively analyzing the information given to us because of sensationalistic fear mongering.

So we risk a major possible nuclear disaster because it costs too much money or maybe because we want nicer and bigger cars and bigger tvs. Well that's human absurdity at its finest, I imagine most other species will be laughing at us if they could.
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#99 stanleycup98
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] When the what ifs involve such terrible consequences the wise thing is to err in the side of caution. But we humans are not used to being very wise IMO.

Being wise would be to stop destroying the environment by burning coal. Nuclear power can replace coal today and would help drastically cut back on humans impact on the environment. Look at France over 80% of their power is from nuclear plants and they are doing fine.

Stopping a bad thing with another bad thing is anything but wise. I prefer safer energies like solar and wind but for that we have to be much more mature than I think we are. We have to acknowledge that progress for the sake of progress is not good that growing for the sake of growing is not good. Maybe then we will realize that we can slow things down and live with more moderate and frugal energy sources. If we continue our dumb search for the dogma of progress and growth we came up with we won't be able to do that and we will go from a bad thing to the next until we destroy the planet one way or another.

It is great to talk about these clean energy sources, but you have to realize it is impossible to implement them on a large scale. The main reasons are the natural variations in the weather conditions (i.e. wind, water flow) and the fact that energy can't be transported far from the few sites there are optimal to collect the energy. Sure, we can stick a hydroelectric dam every mile in every river, but then the river would be slowed so much that each dam would produce almost no electricity and we would be spending too much money. We could stick windmills every 10 feet but then we would have windmills everywhere, and again, it would be extremely cost ineffective, and it really would not be too much of an advantage to have 1,000 windmills in the same area as having 10,000.
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#100 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] When the what ifs involve such terrible consequences the wise thing is to err in the side of caution. But we humans are not used to being very wise IMO.kuraimen
Being wise would be to stop destroying the environment by burning coal. Nuclear power can replace coal today and would help drastically cut back on humans impact on the environment. Look at France over 80% of their power is from nuclear plants and they are doing fine.

Stopping a bad thing with another bad thing is anything but wise. I prefer safer energies like solar and wind but for that we have to be much more mature than I think we are. We have to acknowledge that progress for the sake of progress is not good that growing for the sake of growing is not good. Maybe then we will realize that we can slow things down and live with more moderate and frugal energy sources. If we continue our dumb search for the dogma of progress and growth we came up with we won't be able to do that and we will go from a bad thing to the next until we destroy the planet one way or another.

Solar and wind are very marginally safer than nuclear. And the virtually non-existent safety benefits are surpassed by the cost of not using it.