nudity

i don't understand how nudity is innapropriate if it isn't sexual

i just can't percieve it as innapropriate

it doesn't have any negative effects

objectifies women etc.

whatever lame excuse mothers come up with.

i think nudity objectifies women b/c of the way it's treated

which is as innapropriate

Agreed, it's just something for people who don't have anything better to do to complain about.

i don't understand how nudity is innapropriate if it isn't sexual

i just can't percieve it as innapropriate

it doesn't have any negative effects

BoXzOrZ

fact of the matter is, it does have an effect on little boys.

why, when i was four years old i.... ok scratch that.

Seems to me that in the United States people are way too uptight about nudity in just about every situation. Some examples...

You have your puritanical decency police who think the world has gone to hell in an hand-basket every time they see someone with a skirt above their knees, and are the first to push for legislature upholding one generation's standard of "decency". Lame.

Worse yet might be your power tripping soccer moms (and dads) who take the notion of protecting their children from "indecency" to extreme degrees by trying to prevent nudity in artwork and naughty words in novels from coming within 10,000 miles of the nearest elementary, middle, or high school Ug.

But then you also have the uptight fols who are so brainwashed that they can't separate one idea from another and freak out when they see naked people they find unattractive (note user above in reference to fat people). If you honestly find yourself so repulsed by a naked fat man (for example) that you can't share the same beach or locker-room with the fella then YOU are the one who has the problem, not him. Grow up, expand your mind, get over yourself. These people might be the worst of them all.

Seems to me that in the United States people are way too uptight about nudity in just about every situation. Some examples...

You have your puritanical decency police who think the world has gone to hell in an hand-basket every time they see someone with a skirt above their knees, and are the first to push for legislature upholding one generation's standard of "decency". Lame.

Worse yet might be your power tripping soccer moms (and dads) who take the notion of protecting their children from "indecency" to extreme degrees by trying to prevent nudity in artwork and naughty words in novels from coming within 10,000 miles of the nearest elementary, middle, or high school Ug.

But then you also have the uptight fols who are so brainwashed that they can't separate one idea from another and freak out when they see naked people they find unattractive (note user above in reference to fat people). If you honestly find yourself so repulsed by a naked fat man (for example) that you can't share the same beach or locker-room with the fella then YOU are the one who has the problem, not him. Grow up, expand your mind, get over yourself. These people might be the worst of them all.

Schwah

Nudity isn't really inappropriate in other countries, I went to Spain and there were topless women on the beaches everywhere, magazines depicting nudity, even men completely nude on the beach.Luminouslight

Iunno I think my own is all the penis I need to seejealentus

QFT :shock: amen man... amen. :lol:

i don't understand how nudity is innapropriate if it isn't sexual

i just can't percieve it as innapropriate

it doesn't have any negative effects

BoXzOrZ

Imagine you're in the park with your 11 year old daughter. You turn your back for a minute, and then a man in a trenchcoat walks over and sits next to your daughter. He opens up his trenchcoat and exposes himself to her.

Question: Upon turning back around and seeing that some dude is exposing himself to your 13 year old daughter, what do you do? Do you walk over and calmly ask if he exposed himself for conversational rather than sexual purposes? Or do you simply beat the **** out of him on general principle?

[QUOTE="Schwah"]

Seems to me that in the United States people are way too uptight about nudity in just about every situation. Some examples...

You have your puritanical decency police who think the world has gone to hell in an hand-basket every time they see someone with a skirt above their knees, and are the first to push for legislature upholding one generation's standard of "decency". Lame.

Worse yet might be your power tripping soccer moms (and dads) who take the notion of protecting their children from "indecency" to extreme degrees by trying to prevent nudity in artwork and naughty words in novels from coming within 10,000 miles of the nearest elementary, middle, or high school Ug.

But then you also have the uptight fols who are so brainwashed that they can't separate one idea from another and freak out when they see naked people they find unattractive (note user above in reference to fat people). If you honestly find yourself so repulsed by a naked fat man (for example) that you can't share the same beach or locker-room with the fella then YOU are the one who has the problem, not him. Grow up, expand your mind, get over yourself. These people might be the worst of them all.

blooddemon666

Yes. It's too bad that Christianity has made our culture suffer to such a degree. I believe nudity can objectify women, but it can also objectify men. Honestly, I don't understand why the perspective still exists, but doubtless it is tied to the majority of Americans declaring themselves Christians. The easiest way to maintain that one is a Christian is to target the same thing that another Christian is.

Overall, I would rather wait and explore the contours and bodily dimensions of my wife. :D Someday. Maybe...

We're a Christian culture, and in general, christians are taught that the human body is "disgusting"
blooddemon666

Ug, don't say such things. I'll only go so far as to say that we were a christian culture. These days we're clearly a mixed culture, even if some christians are trying to use historical examples to establish some kind of American christian standard.

[QUOTE="BoXzOrZ"]

i don't understand how nudity is innapropriate if it isn't sexual

i just can't percieve it as innapropriate

it doesn't have any negative effects

MrGeezer

Imagine you're in the park with your 11 year old daughter. You turn your back for a minute, and then a man in a trenchcoat walks over and sits next to your daughter. He opens up his trenchcoat and exposes himself to her.

Question: Upon turning back around and seeing that some dude is exposing himself to your 13 year old daughter, what do you do? Do you walk over and calmly ask if he exposed himself for conversational rather than sexual purposes? Or do you simply beat the **** out of him on general principle?

The idea is that if our society wasn't so ingrained as to automatically recoil from depictions of the nude body, then it wouldn't really be a big deal. If children grew up and they were educated in the bodily functions, then it wouldn't hurt anything for them to see a naked body.

By what general principle would you justify beating up a naked man? Thou shalt not feel the breeze?

Imagine you're in the park with your 11 year old daughter. You turn your back for a minute, and then a man in a trenchcoat walks over and sits next to your daughter. He opens up his trenchcoat and exposes himself to her.

Question: Upon turning back around and seeing that some dude is exposing himself to your 13 year old daughter, what do you do? Do you walk over and calmly ask if he exposed himself for conversational rather than sexual purposes? Or do you simply beat the **** out of him on general principle?

MrGeezer

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="BoXzOrZ"]

i don't understand how nudity is innapropriate if it isn't sexual

i just can't percieve it as innapropriate

it doesn't have any negative effects

muthsera666

Imagine you're in the park with your 11 year old daughter. You turn your back for a minute, and then a man in a trenchcoat walks over and sits next to your daughter. He opens up his trenchcoat and exposes himself to her.

Question: Upon turning back around and seeing that some dude is exposing himself to your 13 year old daughter, what do you do? Do you walk over and calmly ask if he exposed himself for conversational rather than sexual purposes? Or do you simply beat the **** out of him on general principle?

The idea is that if our society wasn't so ingrained as to automatically recoil from depictions of the nude body, then it wouldn't really be a big deal. If children grew up and they were educated in the bodily functions, then it wouldn't hurt anything for them to see a naked body.

By what general principle would you justify beating up a naked man? Thou shalt not feel the breeze?

"The idea is blah, blah, blah..."

Notice that you didn't answer the question.

I'm not talking about "society", I'm talking about "YOU PEOPLE".

RIGHT NOW, if you think that there is nothing offensive about nudity, HONESTLY tell me what you would do if some man were to walk up to your 11 year old daughter TONIGHT and whip out his genitalia. Can YOU (not society, but YOU personally) HONESTLY tell me that you would see absolutely nothing wrong with that?

I guy exposing himself isn't for arts sake.....a guy exposing himself to my kids will be exposed to my fist......Omni-Slash

Did you actually take the time to find out WHY he exposed himself, or would you simply be making assumptions about his intent?

[QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="BoXzOrZ"]

i don't understand how nudity is innapropriate if it isn't sexual

i just can't percieve it as innapropriate

it doesn't have any negative effects

MrGeezer

Imagine you're in the park with your 11 year old daughter. You turn your back for a minute, and then a man in a trenchcoat walks over and sits next to your daughter. He opens up his trenchcoat and exposes himself to her.

Question: Upon turning back around and seeing that some dude is exposing himself to your 13 year old daughter, what do you do? Do you walk over and calmly ask if he exposed himself for conversational rather than sexual purposes? Or do you simply beat the **** out of him on general principle?

The idea is that if our society wasn't so ingrained as to automatically recoil from depictions of the nude body, then it wouldn't really be a big deal. If children grew up and they were educated in the bodily functions, then it wouldn't hurt anything for them to see a naked body.

By what general principle would you justify beating up a naked man? Thou shalt not feel the breeze?

"The idea is blah, blah, blah..."

Notice that you didn't answer the question.

I'm not talking about "society", I'm talking about "YOU PEOPLE".

RIGHT NOW, if you think that there is nothing offensive about nudity, HONESTLY tell me what you would do if some man were to walk up to your 11 year old daughter TONIGHT and whip out his genitalia. Can YOU (not society, but YOU personally) HONESTLY tell me that you would see absolutely nothing wrong with that?

I did answer your question. It was just not in the manner you wanted. You want everyone to say no so that your feelings against public nudity will be justified. However, you are creatinga scenario that is no in alignment with public nudity. In the hypothetical world, the allowance of public nudity would not allow the active targeting of individuals for which one to show ones body. Generally, one would be nude for a prolonged period of time, not merely thrusting randomly unveiled genitalia into the faces of passerbys.

Do I see something wrong with the situation you depict? Yes. But your situation has little to do with the actual ideas of public nudity.

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]I guy exposing himself isn't for arts sake.....a guy exposing himself to my kids will be exposed to my fist......MrGeezer

Did you actually take the time to find out WHY he exposed himself, or would you simply be making assumptions about his intent?

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="BoXzOrZ"]

i don't understand how nudity is innapropriate if it isn't sexual

i just can't percieve it as innapropriate

it doesn't have any negative effects

muthsera666

Imagine you're in the park with your 11 year old daughter. You turn your back for a minute, and then a man in a trenchcoat walks over and sits next to your daughter. He opens up his trenchcoat and exposes himself to her.

Question: Upon turning back around and seeing that some dude is exposing himself to your 13 year old daughter, what do you do? Do you walk over and calmly ask if he exposed himself for conversational rather than sexual purposes? Or do you simply beat the **** out of him on general principle?

The idea is that if our society wasn't so ingrained as to automatically recoil from depictions of the nude body, then it wouldn't really be a big deal. If children grew up and they were educated in the bodily functions, then it wouldn't hurt anything for them to see a naked body.

By what general principle would you justify beating up a naked man? Thou shalt not feel the breeze?

"The idea is blah, blah, blah..."

Notice that you didn't answer the question.

I'm not talking about "society", I'm talking about "YOU PEOPLE".

RIGHT NOW, if you think that there is nothing offensive about nudity, HONESTLY tell me what you would do if some man were to walk up to your 11 year old daughter TONIGHT and whip out his genitalia. Can YOU (not society, but YOU personally) HONESTLY tell me that you would see absolutely nothing wrong with that?

I did answer your question. It was just not in the manner you wanted. You want everyone to say no so that your feelings against public nudity will be justified. However, you are creatinga scenario that is no in alignment with public nudity. In the hypothetical world, the allowance of public nudity would not allow the active targeting of individuals for which one to show ones body. Generally, one would be nude for a prolonged period of time, not merely thrusting randomly unveiled genitalia into the faces of passerbys.

Do I see something wrong with the situation you depict? Yes. But your situation has little to do with the actual ideas of public nudity.

Do you object to fully clothed women lifting their shirts slightly in order to show you their new navel piercings?

[QUOTE="BoXzOrZ"]

i don't understand how nudity is innapropriate if it isn't sexual

i just can't percieve it as innapropriate

it doesn't have any negative effects

MrGeezer

Imagine you're in the park with your 11 year old daughter. You turn your back for a minute, and then a man in a trenchcoat walks over and sits next to your daughter. He opens up his trenchcoat and exposes himself to her.

Question: Upon turning back around and seeing that some dude is exposing himself to your 13 year old daughter, what do you do? Do you walk over and calmly ask if he exposed himself for conversational rather than sexual purposes? Or do you simply beat the **** out of him on general principle?

If we didn't make nudity such a bad thing, there would be no problem.

[QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="BoXzOrZ"]

i don't understand how nudity is innapropriate if it isn't sexual

i just can't percieve it as innapropriate

it doesn't have any negative effects

MrGeezer

Imagine you're in the park with your 11 year old daughter. You turn your back for a minute, and then a man in a trenchcoat walks over and sits next to your daughter. He opens up his trenchcoat and exposes himself to her.

Question: Upon turning back around and seeing that some dude is exposing himself to your 13 year old daughter, what do you do? Do you walk over and calmly ask if he exposed himself for conversational rather than sexual purposes? Or do you simply beat the **** out of him on general principle?

The idea is that if our society wasn't so ingrained as to automatically recoil from depictions of the nude body, then it wouldn't really be a big deal. If children grew up and they were educated in the bodily functions, then it wouldn't hurt anything for them to see a naked body.

By what general principle would you justify beating up a naked man? Thou shalt not feel the breeze?

"The idea is blah, blah, blah..."

Notice that you didn't answer the question.

I'm not talking about "society", I'm talking about "YOU PEOPLE".

RIGHT NOW, if you think that there is nothing offensive about nudity, HONESTLY tell me what you would do if some man were to walk up to your 11 year old daughter TONIGHT and whip out his genitalia. Can YOU (not society, but YOU personally) HONESTLY tell me that you would see absolutely nothing wrong with that?

I did answer your question. It was just not in the manner you wanted. You want everyone to say no so that your feelings against public nudity will be justified. However, you are creatinga scenario that is no in alignment with public nudity. In the hypothetical world, the allowance of public nudity would not allow the active targeting of individuals for which one to show ones body. Generally, one would be nude for a prolonged period of time, not merely thrusting randomly unveiled genitalia into the faces of passerbys.

Do I see something wrong with the situation you depict? Yes. But your situation has little to do with the actual ideas of public nudity.

Do you object to fully clothed women lifting their shirts slightly in order to show you their new navel piercings?

No. And that is not nudity. If bikinis are not classified as nudity, than the simple display of a navel cannot either.

However, I would not encourage such acts either. If said women chose to do so, it would be their own decision.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="BoXzOrZ"]

i don't understand how nudity is innapropriate if it isn't sexual

i just can't percieve it as innapropriate

it doesn't have any negative effects

muthsera666

Imagine you're in the park with your 11 year old daughter. You turn your back for a minute, and then a man in a trenchcoat walks over and sits next to your daughter. He opens up his trenchcoat and exposes himself to her.

Question: Upon turning back around and seeing that some dude is exposing himself to your 13 year old daughter, what do you do? Do you walk over and calmly ask if he exposed himself for conversational rather than sexual purposes? Or do you simply beat the **** out of him on general principle?

The idea is that if our society wasn't so ingrained as to automatically recoil from depictions of the nude body, then it wouldn't really be a big deal. If children grew up and they were educated in the bodily functions, then it wouldn't hurt anything for them to see a naked body.

By what general principle would you justify beating up a naked man? Thou shalt not feel the breeze?

"The idea is blah, blah, blah..."

Notice that you didn't answer the question.

I'm not talking about "society", I'm talking about "YOU PEOPLE".

RIGHT NOW, if you think that there is nothing offensive about nudity, HONESTLY tell me what you would do if some man were to walk up to your 11 year old daughter TONIGHT and whip out his genitalia. Can YOU (not society, but YOU personally) HONESTLY tell me that you would see absolutely nothing wrong with that?

I did answer your question. It was just not in the manner you wanted. You want everyone to say no so that your feelings against public nudity will be justified. However, you are creatinga scenario that is no in alignment with public nudity. In the hypothetical world, the allowance of public nudity would not allow the active targeting of individuals for which one to show ones body. Generally, one would be nude for a prolonged period of time, not merely thrusting randomly unveiled genitalia into the faces of passerbys.

Do I see something wrong with the situation you depict? Yes. But your situation has little to do with the actual ideas of public nudity.

Do you object to fully clothed women lifting their shirts slightly in order to show you their new navel piercings?

No. And that is not nudity. If bikinis are not classified as nudity, than the simple display of a navel cannot either.

However, I would not encourage such acts either. If said women chose to do so, it would be their own decision.

Well there you go. If bare penises are no more offensive than bare navels, then flashing one would be no better or worse than flashing the other. I can flash my knee or my navel and you agree that there's nothing wrong with that. However, you see a difference when it comes to flashing my genitalia. That implies that the genitalia ARE more offensive than other body parts (at least to you), otherwise you yourself would make no such distinction.

So don't ask me, man. Ask yourself. Why do YOU find exposed genitalia to be more inappropriate than exposed ankles or exposed elbows? Answer why YOU feel this way, and you'll have answered why society doesn't like nudity either.

[QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="BoXzOrZ"]

i don't understand how nudity is innapropriate if it isn't sexual

i just can't percieve it as innapropriate

it doesn't have any negative effects

MrGeezer

Imagine you're in the park with your 11 year old daughter. You turn your back for a minute, and then a man in a trenchcoat walks over and sits next to your daughter. He opens up his trenchcoat and exposes himself to her.

Question: Upon turning back around and seeing that some dude is exposing himself to your 13 year old daughter, what do you do? Do you walk over and calmly ask if he exposed himself for conversational rather than sexual purposes? Or do you simply beat the **** out of him on general principle?

The idea is that if our society wasn't so ingrained as to automatically recoil from depictions of the nude body, then it wouldn't really be a big deal. If children grew up and they were educated in the bodily functions, then it wouldn't hurt anything for them to see a naked body.

By what general principle would you justify beating up a naked man? Thou shalt not feel the breeze?

"The idea is blah, blah, blah..."

Notice that you didn't answer the question.

I'm not talking about "society", I'm talking about "YOU PEOPLE".

RIGHT NOW, if you think that there is nothing offensive about nudity, HONESTLY tell me what you would do if some man were to walk up to your 11 year old daughter TONIGHT and whip out his genitalia. Can YOU (not society, but YOU personally) HONESTLY tell me that you would see absolutely nothing wrong with that?

I did answer your question. It was just not in the manner you wanted. You want everyone to say no so that your feelings against public nudity will be justified. However, you are creatinga scenario that is no in alignment with public nudity. In the hypothetical world, the allowance of public nudity would not allow the active targeting of individuals for which one to show ones body. Generally, one would be nude for a prolonged period of time, not merely thrusting randomly unveiled genitalia into the faces of passerbys.

Do I see something wrong with the situation you depict? Yes. But your situation has little to do with the actual ideas of public nudity.

Do you object to fully clothed women lifting their shirts slightly in order to show you their new navel piercings?

No. And that is not nudity. If bikinis are not classified as nudity, than the simple display of a navel cannot either.

However, I would not encourage such acts either. If said women chose to do so, it would be their own decision.

Well there you go. If bare penises are no more offensive than bare navels, then flashing one would be no better or worse than flashing the other. I can flash my knee or my navel and you agree that there's nothing wrong with that. However, you see a difference when it comes to flashing my genitalia. That implies that the genitalia ARE more offensive than other body parts (at least to you), otherwise you yourself would make no such distinction.

So don't ask me, man. Ask yourself. Why do YOU find exposed genitalia to be more inappropriate than exposed ankles or exposed elbows? Answer why YOU feel this way, and you'll have answered why society doesn't like nudity either.

Wow. So original. An attempt to twist logical words into an illogical conclusion. Are you religious by any chance? You sound like my former preacher...

I stated that the context of the penis to the face was inappropriate but not nudity in and of itself. I said that a navel is not inappropriate because it is already accepted by society. I don't really care to see other people naked, but when I do, I don't really look. Nudity is not offensive to me in and of itself. Genetalia are not offensive. I merely do not think that the thrusting of the structure from which waste exits the body should be in close proximity to ones face.

i don't understand how nudity is innapropriate if it isn't sexual

i just can't percieve it as innapropriate

it doesn't have any negative effects

BoXzOrZ

First of all, most nudity in itself implies sexuality. There are other cases though. There's a statue of a naked lady in the entrance of my school's library, and it's fine.

Watch Borat and you will fully appreciate public nudity laws. GoldenSilence87

I thought that was funny:lol:

and i agree with TC

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="BoXzOrZ"]

i don't understand how nudity is innapropriate if it isn't sexual

i just can't percieve it as innapropriate

it doesn't have any negative effects

muthsera666

Imagine you're in the park with your 11 year old daughter. You turn your back for a minute, and then a man in a trenchcoat walks over and sits next to your daughter. He opens up his trenchcoat and exposes himself to her.

Question: Upon turning back around and seeing that some dude is exposing himself to your 13 year old daughter, what do you do? Do you walk over and calmly ask if he exposed himself for conversational rather than sexual purposes? Or do you simply beat the **** out of him on general principle?

The idea is that if our society wasn't so ingrained as to automatically recoil from depictions of the nude body, then it wouldn't really be a big deal. If children grew up and they were educated in the bodily functions, then it wouldn't hurt anything for them to see a naked body.

By what general principle would you justify beating up a naked man? Thou shalt not feel the breeze?

"The idea is blah, blah, blah..."

Notice that you didn't answer the question.

I'm not talking about "society", I'm talking about "YOU PEOPLE".

RIGHT NOW, if you think that there is nothing offensive about nudity, HONESTLY tell me what you would do if some man were to walk up to your 11 year old daughter TONIGHT and whip out his genitalia. Can YOU (not society, but YOU personally) HONESTLY tell me that you would see absolutely nothing wrong with that?

I did answer your question. It was just not in the manner you wanted. You want everyone to say no so that your feelings against public nudity will be justified. However, you are creatinga scenario that is no in alignment with public nudity. In the hypothetical world, the allowance of public nudity would not allow the active targeting of individuals for which one to show ones body. Generally, one would be nude for a prolonged period of time, not merely thrusting randomly unveiled genitalia into the faces of passerbys.

Do I see something wrong with the situation you depict? Yes. But your situation has little to do with the actual ideas of public nudity.

Do you object to fully clothed women lifting their shirts slightly in order to show you their new navel piercings?

No. And that is not nudity. If bikinis are not classified as nudity, than the simple display of a navel cannot either.

However, I would not encourage such acts either. If said women chose to do so, it would be their own decision.

Well there you go. If bare penises are no more offensive than bare navels, then flashing one would be no better or worse than flashing the other. I can flash my knee or my navel and you agree that there's nothing wrong with that. However, you see a difference when it comes to flashing my genitalia. That implies that the genitalia ARE more offensive than other body parts (at least to you), otherwise you yourself would make no such distinction.

So don't ask me, man. Ask yourself. Why do YOU find exposed genitalia to be more inappropriate than exposed ankles or exposed elbows? Answer why YOU feel this way, and you'll have answered why society doesn't like nudity either.

Wow. So original. An attempt to twist logical words into an illogical conclusion. Are you religious by any chance? You sound like my former preacher...

I stated that the context of the penis to the face was inappropriate but not nudity in and of itself. I said that a navel is not inappropriate because it is already accepted by society. I don't really care to see other people naked, but when I do, I don't really look. Nudity is not offensive to me in and of itself. Genetalia are not offensive. I merely do not think that the thrusting of the structure from which waste exits the body should be in close proximity to ones face.

I never mentioned thrusting one's genitals into someone's face. YOU came up with that. Don't know why.

Also, putting your hand in someone's face is also offensive. But that doesn't mean that it's offensive to hold up your hand and pull off your glove.

Dude, I never said anything about a penis to the face. Not ONCE did I mention that scenario. OF COURSE that would be offensive, since shoving ANY body part into someone's face is considered rude. What you're doing now is creating "strawmen".

[QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="BoXzOrZ"]

i don't understand how nudity is innapropriate if it isn't sexual

i just can't percieve it as innapropriate

it doesn't have any negative effects

MrGeezer

Imagine you're in the park with your 11 year old daughter. You turn your back for a minute, and then a man in a trenchcoat walks over and sits next to your daughter. He opens up his trenchcoat and exposes himself to her.

Question: Upon turning back around and seeing that some dude is exposing himself to your 13 year old daughter, what do you do? Do you walk over and calmly ask if he exposed himself for conversational rather than sexual purposes? Or do you simply beat the **** out of him on general principle?

The idea is that if our society wasn't so ingrained as to automatically recoil from depictions of the nude body, then it wouldn't really be a big deal. If children grew up and they were educated in the bodily functions, then it wouldn't hurt anything for them to see a naked body.

By what general principle would you justify beating up a naked man? Thou shalt not feel the breeze?

"The idea is blah, blah, blah..."

Notice that you didn't answer the question.

I'm not talking about "society", I'm talking about "YOU PEOPLE".

RIGHT NOW, if you think that there is nothing offensive about nudity, HONESTLY tell me what you would do if some man were to walk up to your 11 year old daughter TONIGHT and whip out his genitalia. Can YOU (not society, but YOU personally) HONESTLY tell me that you would see absolutely nothing wrong with that?

I did answer your question. It was just not in the manner you wanted. You want everyone to say no so that your feelings against public nudity will be justified. However, you are creatinga scenario that is no in alignment with public nudity. In the hypothetical world, the allowance of public nudity would not allow the active targeting of individuals for which one to show ones body. Generally, one would be nude for a prolonged period of time, not merely thrusting randomly unveiled genitalia into the faces of passerbys.

Do I see something wrong with the situation you depict? Yes. But your situation has little to do with the actual ideas of public nudity.

Do you object to fully clothed women lifting their shirts slightly in order to show you their new navel piercings?

No. And that is not nudity. If bikinis are not classified as nudity, than the simple display of a navel cannot either.

However, I would not encourage such acts either. If said women chose to do so, it would be their own decision.

Well there you go. If bare penises are no more offensive than bare navels, then flashing one would be no better or worse than flashing the other. I can flash my knee or my navel and you agree that there's nothing wrong with that. However, you see a difference when it comes to flashing my genitalia. That implies that the genitalia ARE more offensive than other body parts (at least to you), otherwise you yourself would make no such distinction.

So don't ask me, man. Ask yourself. Why do YOU find exposed genitalia to be more inappropriate than exposed ankles or exposed elbows? Answer why YOU feel this way, and you'll have answered why society doesn't like nudity either.

Wow. So original. An attempt to twist logical words into an illogical conclusion. Are you religious by any chance? You sound like my former preacher...

I stated that the context of the penis to the face was inappropriate but not nudity in and of itself. I said that a navel is not inappropriate because it is already accepted by society. I don't really care to see other people naked, but when I do, I don't really look. Nudity is not offensive to me in and of itself. Genetalia are not offensive. I merely do not think that the thrusting of the structure from which waste exits the body should be in close proximity to ones face.

I never mentioned thrusting one's genitals into someone's face. YOU came up with that. Don't know why.

Also, putting your hand in someone's face is also offensive. But that doesn't mean that it's offensive to hold up your hand and pull off your glove.

Dude, I never said anything about a penis to the face. Not ONCE did I mention that scenario. OF COURSE that would be offensive, since shoving ANY body part into someone's face is considered rude. What you're doing now is creating "strawmen".

You created the strawman. Not me. You redirect what I said and placed it in a context befitting your point of view. You earlier stated: if some man were to walk up to your 11 year old daughter TONIGHT and whip out his genitalia. I understood this to mean a proximal relationship. Meaning within arms reach. With someone doing somthing with their body, to me, that is pretty much in one's face. I am a very private individual with much respect for personal space, so if anyone were to invade that space regardless of whether they were flopping around, I would be upset.

Again, I'm not surprised this is the way you turned the argument. But I expected more from you. I thought previously that you were an individual that did not have to rely on taking something out of context to prove a point. But I guess we can all be wrong.

You created the strawman. Not me. You redirect what I said and placed it in a context befitting your point of view. You earlier stated: if some man were to walk up to your 11 year old daughter TONIGHT and whip out his genitalia. I understood this to mean a proximal relationship. Meaning within arms reach. With someone doing somthing with their body, to me, that is pretty much in one's face. I am a very private individual with much respect for personal space, so if anyone were to invade that space regardless of whether they were flopping around, I would be upset.

Again, I'm not surprised this is the way you turned the argument. But I expected more from you. I thought previously that you were an individual that did not have to rely on taking something out of context to prove a point. But I guess we can all be wrong.

muthsera666

So if your problem is just with personal space, what does that have to do with genitalia?

You find it offensive when people get within arm's reach of you? Don't you think that's a little bit abnormal? If you're sitting on a park bench, you're telling me that you take up the whole bench and won't let anyone sit down next to you?

[QUOTE="muthsera666"]

You created the strawman. Not me. You redirect what I said and placed it in a context befitting your point of view. You earlier stated: if some man were to walk up to your 11 year old daughter TONIGHT and whip out his genitalia. I understood this to mean a proximal relationship. Meaning within arms reach. With someone doing somthing with their body, to me, that is pretty much in one's face. I am a very private individual with much respect for personal space, so if anyone were to invade that space regardless of whether they were flopping around, I would be upset.

Again, I'm not surprised this is the way you turned the argument. But I expected more from you. I thought previously that you were an individual that did not have to rely on taking something out of context to prove a point. But I guess we can all be wrong.

MrGeezer

So if your problem is just with personal space, what does that have to do with genitalia?

You find it offensive when people get within arm's reach of you? Don't you think that's a little bit abnormal? If you're sitting on a park bench, you're telling me that you take up the whole bench and won't let anyone sit down next to you?

A park bench is bigger than three feet... Generally, if someone sits down beside me, I stand up and walk away.

Besides, you were the one who took the issue of nudity from the discussed societal rammifications to my personal level. If you don't like the answers I gave, then it is your own fault for altering the path of discussion.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="muthsera666"]

You created the strawman. Not me. You redirect what I said and placed it in a context befitting your point of view. You earlier stated: if some man were to walk up to your 11 year old daughter TONIGHT and whip out his genitalia. I understood this to mean a proximal relationship. Meaning within arms reach. With someone doing somthing with their body, to me, that is pretty much in one's face. I am a very private individual with much respect for personal space, so if anyone were to invade that space regardless of whether they were flopping around, I would be upset.

Again, I'm not surprised this is the way you turned the argument. But I expected more from you. I thought previously that you were an individual that did not have to rely on taking something out of context to prove a point. But I guess we can all be wrong.

muthsera666

So if your problem is just with personal space, what does that have to do with genitalia?

You find it offensive when people get within arm's reach of you? Don't you think that's a little bit abnormal? If you're sitting on a park bench, you're telling me that you take up the whole bench and won't let anyone sit down next to you?

A park bench is bigger than three feet... Generally, if someone sits down beside me, I stand up and walk away.

Besides, you were the one who took the issue of nudity from the discussed societal rammifications to my personal level. If you don't like the answers I gave, then it is your own fault for altering the path of discussion.

I didn't alter the discussion at all. People were giving their PERSONAL opinions as to whether there was anything wrong with public nudity, so I presented a hypothetical situation involving public nudity, and asked how you guys felt about that PERSONALLY.

Anyway dude, if you're that uncomfortable with having people being within 3 feet of you, that's really your own problem.