Obama appoints Pope-Basher to federal office for Faith-based Outreach

All I am saying is that if the government wishes to malign Catholicism, then us Catholics have no reason to be loyal to the government or to fund the government or to give life and limb for the government's wars.

JoeRatz16

How is criticising a person as a discredited leader 'pope bashing'? The fact that the obama-hating is getting this pointless really shows that the opposition crowd haven't got a foot to stand on. He disagrees with the pope's stance on gay marriage and gay rights in general. Good for him. That doesn't make him bad for the job. Heck, i went to a catholic school (which still is a catholic school) and the principle gave a speech in a cathedral just last week about how corrupt and archaic the church has become. The last thing America needs is another yes-man. Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]How is criticising a person as a discredited leader 'pope bashing'? The fact that the obama-hating is getting this pointless really shows that the opposition crowd haven't got a foot to stand on. He disagrees with the pope's stance on gay marriage and gay rights in general. Good for him. That doesn't make him bad for the job. Heck, i went to a catholic school (which still is a catholic school) and the principle gave a speech in a cathedral just last week about how corrupt and archaic the church has become. The last thing America needs is another yes-man. JoeRatz16

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]How is criticising a person as a discredited leader 'pope bashing'? The fact that the obama-hating is getting this pointless really shows that the opposition crowd haven't got a foot to stand on. He disagrees with the pope's stance on gay marriage and gay rights in general. Good for him. That doesn't make him bad for the job. Heck, i went to a catholic school (which still is a catholic school) and the principle gave a speech in a cathedral just last week about how corrupt and archaic the church has become. The last thing America needs is another yes-man. JoeRatz16

[QUOTE="kayn83"]

First off...

Why does it matter if he's a gay ideologue? That has nothing to do with this topic.

Anyway, if the council has extremely religious people as well and some moderates, wouldn't that be fair and make the whole thing fairly bias-free. I don't know... just a suggestion.

EDIT: And also! Since when did the United States care about Catholicism? Only one US president (JFK) was a catholic and if I recall, people were scared and thought he would take orders from the pope and turn the US into a Catholic nation.

JoeRatz16

All I am saying is that if the government wishes to malign Catholicism, then us Catholics have no reason to be loyal to the government or to fund the government or to give life and limb for the government's wars.

JoeRatz16

Really your threads make you seem absolutely desperate to be offended as a Catholic at every possible chance no matter how insignificant.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]How is criticising a person as a discredited leader 'pope bashing'? The fact that the obama-hating is getting this pointless really shows that the opposition crowd haven't got a foot to stand on. He disagrees with the pope's stance on gay marriage and gay rights in general. Good for him. That doesn't make him bad for the job. Heck, i went to a catholic school (which still is a catholic school) and the principle gave a speech in a cathedral just last week about how corrupt and archaic the church has become. The last thing America needs is another yes-man. JoeRatz16

[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] Wow the topic of that article is so misleading. the Pope didn't insult gay people (I actually read the actual speech) he said that just as the environment needs protection so does the human person need protection and so does the natural design for the differance between men and women need protecting. He was saying that man should not forget his nature.Vandalvideo

No the Pope didn't say that homosexuality is abnormal, he said it is abnormal for two people of the same sex to have sex with each other because it defeats the natural purpose of the sexual act which is procreation (not to mention there is no complementarity of parts and thus no "true sex").

JoeRatz16

No the Pope didn't say that homosexuality is abnormal, he said it is abnormal for two people of the same sex to have sex with each other because it defeats the natural purpose of the sexual act which is procreation (not to mention there is no complementarity of parts and thus no "true sex").JoeRatz16

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] Wow the topic of that article is so misleading. the Pope didn't insult gay people (I actually read the actual speech) he said that just as the environment needs protection so does the human person need protection and so does the natural design for the differance between men and women need protecting. He was saying that man should not forget his nature.JoeRatz16

No the Pope didn't say that homosexuality is abnormal, he said it is abnormal for two people of the same sex to have sex with each other because it defeats the natural purpose of the sexual act which is procreation (not to mention there is no complementarity of parts and thus no "true sex").

JoeRatz16

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] Wow the topic of that article is so misleading. the Pope didn't insult gay people (I actually read the actual speech) he said that just as the environment needs protection so does the human person need protection and so does the natural design for the differance between men and women need protecting. He was saying that man should not forget his nature.JoeRatz16

But what you just said there is that homosexuality is abnormal. You just made it slightly longer and more subtle.

[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

[QUOTE="braindead_hero"] Oh so It's all OK then, well the Pope isn't a US citizen so I don't see what your problem isbraindead_hero

[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

No the Pope didn't say that homosexuality is abnormal, he said it is abnormal for two people of the same sex to have sex with each other because it defeats the natural purpose of the sexual act which is procreation (not to mention there is no complementarity of parts and thus no "true sex").

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="braindead_hero"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] He also insulted the Bishops and the Knight's who are US citizens. Not to mention to insult the Pope is to insult all 1 billion Catholics, including the 60 Million Catholics who are US Citizens.

JoeRatz16

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

No the Pope didn't say that homosexuality is abnormal, he said it is abnormal for two people of the same sex to have sex with each other because it defeats the natural purpose of the sexual act which is procreation (not to mention there is no complementarity of parts and thus no "true sex").

JoeRatz16

saying homosexual sex is abnormal is not the same as saying that homosexual tendencies are abnormal. Saying men should not have sex with other men is not criticizing gay people since there are also straight men who also have sex with other men.JoeRatz16

He's not too far off >.>

Anyway, who cares? There are more faiths than just that of Catholicism and the majority of America isn't Catholic.

[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] He said human nature needed to be protected. So if we're protecting nature from homosexuality, homosexuality in itself is an abnormality of nature is it not? Saying homosexual sex is abnormal is exactly the same thing as saying homosexuality is abnormal. Let's not lower ourselves to semantics.zakkro

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] saying homosexual sex is abnormal is not the same as saying that homosexual tendencies are abnormal. Saying men should not have sex with other men is not criticizing gay people since there are also straight men who also have sex with other men.

kayn83

[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

Just because the US has historically been prejudiced against Catholics doesn't mean they should continue to defame them, afterall Catholics are protected under the constitution just as much as anyone else. But if the U.S. doesn't care about us, then why should we pay taxes to them or fight their wars for them or even hold their authority over us to be legitimate.

JoeRatz16

But what you just said there is that homosexuality is abnormal. You just made it slightly longer and more subtle.

darkhorse286

I don't agree with JoeRatz, but how is homosexuality not "abnormal"? ("Abnormal" does not mean "wrong.")

[QUOTE="darkhorse286"]

But what you just said there is that homosexuality is abnormal. You just made it slightly longer and more subtle.

SpaceMoose

I don't agree with JoeRatz, but how is homosexuality not "abnormal"? ("Abnormal" does not mean "wrong.")

[QUOTE="darkhorse286"]

But what you just said there is that homosexuality is abnormal. You just made it slightly longer and more subtle.

SpaceMoose

I don't agree with JoeRatz, but how is homosexuality not "abnormal"? ("Abnormal" does not mean "wrong.")

[QUOTE="darkhorse286"]

But what you just said there is that homosexuality is abnormal. You just made it slightly longer and more subtle.

SpaceMoose

I don't agree with JoeRatz, but how is homosexuality not "abnormal"? ("Abnormal" does not mean "wrong.")

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

[QUOTE="darkhorse286"]

But what you just said there is that homosexuality is abnormal. You just made it slightly longer and more subtle.

braindead_hero

I don't agree with JoeRatz, but how is homosexuality not "abnormal"? ("Abnormal" does not mean "wrong.")

[QUOTE="braindead_hero"][QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

I don't agree with JoeRatz, but how is homosexuality not "abnormal"? ("Abnormal" does not mean "wrong.")

SpaceMoose

I would actually take it the other way, as there are so many variations and millions of different people who believe and do different things, nothing can be considered normal

...nothing can be considered normal

braindead_hero

[QUOTE="braindead_hero"]

...nothing can be considered normal

SpaceMoose

Bashing an unelected body such as the catholic church? Why the nerve of that man, he should be burned at the stake.

/saracsm

htekemerald

[QUOTE="duxup"]I do not have a problem with this.spazzx625

Honestly I would prefer someone who has a critical point of view for what he does, then one who follows blindly, and never raise a question.

Besides he might be good at what he does, ones personal oppinions does not equal your skills in subject matters.

Then again I come from what is supposed to be the "least religious country in the world" so I would not be bothered by it.

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"] Then everything is abnormal. Ergo, homosexuality is abnormal.braindead_hero

Abnormality is simply a contradictory state to normality, if normality does not exist then abnormality does not exist either.

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Well, it was before this post even that you already contradicted yourself...

Because homosexuality is found in other animals and occurs in nature and is simply determined by chemicals in the brain all of which are normal thingsbraindead_hero

[QUOTE="braindead_hero"][QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

Abnormality is simply a contradictory state to normality, if normality does not exist then abnormality does not exist either.SpaceMoose

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Well, it was before this post even that you already contradicted yourself...

Because homosexuality is found in other animals and occurs in nature and is simply determined by chemicals in the brain all of which are normal thingsbraindead_hero

"The Pope needs to start telling the truth about condom use," Knox said on Monday, Apr. 6. "We are eager to help him do that. Until he is willing to do that and able, he's doing a great deal more harm than good -- not just in Africa but around the world. It is endangering people's lives."

The newspaper further reported: "Knox noted that the Knights of Columbus 'followed discredited leaders,' including bishops and Pope Benedict XVI. 'A pope who literally today said condoms don't help in control of AIDS.'"Harry Knox

It seems his critisism is about the Pope saying condoms don't help control the spread of AIDS. Personally I see this guy bashing the Pope in this department as a really good thing and I hope he gets through to him.

"People are right to criticize the Catholic Church for anything," Donahue told FOXNews.com. "But Harry Knox is not just a critic. He's insulting. He used disdainful, disparaging terms to talk about the pope and the Catholic hierarchy. If someone were appointed using that language about homosexuals, he would be thrown out." That basically sums up my thoughts. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/09/catholics-offense-obama-appointing-pope-basher-faith-based-panel/Genetic_Code

In my mind, there is a huge difference between criticizing (and even insulting) certain people for opposing same-sex marriage and spewing absurdities like that condoms do not help to control AIDs, and criticizing/insulting an entire group of people based upon their sexual orientation.

"People are right to criticize the Catholic Church for anything," Donahue told FOXNews.com. "But Harry Knox is not just a critic. He's insulting. He used disdainful, disparaging terms to talk about the pope and the Catholic hierarchy. If someone were appointed using that language about homosexuals, he would be thrown out." That basically sums up my thoughts. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/09/catholics-offense-obama-appointing-pope-basher-faith-based-panel/Genetic_Code

Quoted for great justice.

That last line in particular is the real kicker. The hypocrisy is just off the charts.

[QUOTE="duxup"]I do not have a problem with this.JoeRatz16

[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

[QUOTE="duxup"]I do not have a problem with this.xaos

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]"People are right to criticize the Catholic Church for anything," Donahue told FOXNews.com. "But Harry Knox is not just a critic. He's insulting. He used disdainful, disparaging terms to talk about the pope and the Catholic hierarchy. If someone were appointed using that language about homosexuals, he would be thrown out." That basically sums up my thoughts. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/09/catholics-offense-obama-appointing-pope-basher-faith-based-panel/Dutch_Mix

Quoted for great justice.

That last line in particular is the real kicker. The hypocrisy is just off the charts.

I do not have a problem with this.duxup