Obama Eyeing Internet ID for Americans

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#1 Tauruslink
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President Obama is planning to hand the U.S. Commerce Department authority over a forthcoming cybersecurity effort to create an Internet ID for Americans, a White House official said here today.

Not cool Obama :|

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#2 joesh89
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"identity ecosystem"... what?

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#3 ice144
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Did you read the article? "We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities." Doesn't seem that bad to me, but whatever.
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[QUOTE="ice144"]Did you read the article? "We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities." Doesn't seem that bad to me, but whatever.

Yeah I did. I still don't like the sound of it. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I don't like it.
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#5 bededog
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This isn't a sinister as it sounds. It would be an optional thing that would be implemented by private business. It's main goal is to help deter identity theft by allowing people to have a card that identifies them on certain sites like bank websites.
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#6 UCF_Knight
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Doesn't seem that bad. I envision this being blown out of proportion though, and several OTers will come in here claiming this is just another case of "big brother" controlling our lives.
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#7 raven_squad
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I really don't see an issue here.
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#8 howlrunner13
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If it's just for banks and financial things it could be fine.

But you know... the slippery slope and all that. :P

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[QUOTE="Tauruslink"][QUOTE="ice144"]Did you read the article? "We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities." Doesn't seem that bad to me, but whatever.

Yeah I did. I still don't like the sound of it. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I don't like it.

The company that I work for has a Digital ID. Basically I have an ID on a USB key, and so long as the USB key is inserted into my computer, I almost never have to enter in log in information or passwords. I just click "log in using digital ID" and it checks the key, confirms that I'm me, and takes me to the secured company site that I'm trying to visit. That's likely what this is.
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If the U.S. government knew the majority of my internet history, they would give me the ID number 69.

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#11 -RocBoys9489-
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If the U.S. government knew the majority of my internet history, they would give me the ID number 69.

entropyecho
I lol'd
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#12 Lonelynight
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If the U.S. government knew the majority of my internet history, they would give me the ID number 69.entropyecho
You think too highly of yourself, a large number of people probably has similar browsing history to your's.
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"We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities."

That part sounds pretty cool, actually.

Details about the "trusted identity" project are unusually scarce.

That part doesn't sound so cool. I would like to hear more about this before I form an opinion, though.
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#14 iAtrocious
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OMG NOEZ DE GOVERNMENT WILL HAZ CONTROL OVER US

I don't see a big deal, either. It doesn't matter to me, being from a different country and all, but that actually sounds like something pragmatic.

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#15 Marfoo
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Like everyone else here has said, not a big deal. This isn't about control, it's about reducing identity related theft/fraud/crime.
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#16 Pixel-Pirate
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I don't want my password connected to my name and thus to me. I generally don't even use my real name to sign up. This bothers me. As a "if you want", sure. As a "you must do this"? No. Then that does sound sinister.

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#17 alexside1
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Wait a sec.... there a thread about this a couple of days ago.
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[QUOTE="ice144"]Did you read the article? "We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities." Doesn't seem that bad to me, but whatever.

Seems like it would be easier for the government to collect data on individuals. Trusted identities from the government? Do we really trust the government with that info?
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#19 gameguy6700
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If you read the article they're just talking about implementing an OPTIONAL system where instead of having hundreds of different accounts for hundreds of different sites, you would just have one meta-identity that retail sites could use to identify you so you no longer have to juggle all of that. Supposedly this would make it harder for people to steal your identity using keyloggers and the like.
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[QUOTE="ice144"]Did you read the article? "We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities." Doesn't seem that bad to me, but whatever.LJS9502_basic
Seems like it would be easier for the government to collect data on individuals. Trusted identities from the government? Do we really trust the government with that info?

What the hell is the government going to do with such info?
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As always, the slightest thing about the Internet is blown completely out of proportion. People read way too much Orwell.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ice144"]Did you read the article? "We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities." Doesn't seem that bad to me, but whatever.Thunda_Monkey
Seems like it would be easier for the government to collect data on individuals. Trusted identities from the government? Do we really trust the government with that info?

What the hell is the government going to do with such info?

Don't think the government doesn't keep tabs where they can....
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I'm not American but this could help (IMO) when it comes to banking and financial security reasons online.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ice144"]Did you read the article? "We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities." Doesn't seem that bad to me, but whatever.

Seems like it would be easier for the government to collect data on individuals. Trusted identities from the government? Do we really trust the government with that info?

I trust them with my social security number, so yeah.
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[QUOTE="Thunda_Monkey"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Seems like it would be easier for the government to collect data on individuals. Trusted identities from the government? Do we really trust the government with that info?LJS9502_basic
What the hell is the government going to do with such info?

Don't think the government doesn't keep tabs where they can....

what does that even mean? lol you sound like Dale off of King Of The Hill
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ice144"]Did you read the article? "We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities." Doesn't seem that bad to me, but whatever.

Seems like it would be easier for the government to collect data on individuals. Trusted identities from the government? Do we really trust the government with that info?

I trust them with my social security number, so yeah.

Considering it's a government identification number that doesn't say much.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Seems like it would be easier for the government to collect data on individuals. Trusted identities from the government? Do we really trust the government with that info?LJS9502_basic
I trust them with my social security number, so yeah.

Considering it's a government identification number that doesn't say much.

It's a government identification with which my entire existence is verified. I'd say it's slightly more sensitive information than an online password.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ice144"]Did you read the article? "We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities." Doesn't seem that bad to me, but whatever.

Seems like it would be easier for the government to collect data on individuals. Trusted identities from the government? Do we really trust the government with that info?

I'm almost certain that "trusted identities" only means "people who actually exist." But again, they haven't released much info on that subject, so we're both just jumping to conclusions.
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#29 chessmaster1989
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"These digital IDs would be offered to consumers by online vendors for financial transactions.

Schmidt stressed today that anonymity and pseudonymity will remain possible on the Internet. "I don't have to get a credential if I don't want to," he said. There's no chance that "a centralized database will emerge," and "we need the private sector to lead the implementation of this," he said."

Sounds like it's not going to be required so I don't see what all the fuss is about.

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#30 Thunda_Monkey
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] I trust them with my social security number, so yeah.Theokhoth
Considering it's a government identification number that doesn't say much.

It's a government identification with which my entire existence is verified. I'd say it's slightly more sensitive information than an online password.

Got'em
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#31 UCF_Knight
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What the hell is the government going to do with such info?Thunda_Monkey
Oh lord, do not ask that here. You'll be stampeded with paranoid OTers that believe the government is out to get them and control every aspects of our lives.
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#32 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] I trust them with my social security number, so yeah.

Considering it's a government identification number that doesn't say much.

It's a government identification with which my entire existence is verified. I'd say it's slightly more sensitive information than an online password.

Nonetheless it isn't a good analogy since it's government identification by definition. And don't think the gov can't find out more than you know by tracking that number if they so desire. However, it's a necessary evil as it's the identification the government assigns and requires. Not quite the same thing as handing over other information they have no need to know.
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I don't feel comfortable about the idea of this. First, this won't help security all that much. What happens if someone steals/gains access to ID card? This still doesn't prove that the person using the ID card is who they say they are. Second, it will probably take, 1 or 2 weeks before hackers find a way to replicate false ID keys. Plus, why is the gov't taking charge of this. It should be something that credit card and financial companies should heading up. Like a credit account that comes with both a credit card and a ID USB key that could be used for online purchasing. Even if the gov't doesn't use this for identification purposes it will lead to a larger budget deficit if they are distributing the ID keys.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Considering it's a government identification number that doesn't say much. LJS9502_basic
It's a government identification with which my entire existence is verified. I'd say it's slightly more sensitive information than an online password.

Nonetheless it isn't a good analogy since it's government identification by definition. And don't think the gov can't find out more than you know by tracking that number if they so desire. However, it's a necessary evil as it's the identification the government assigns and requires. Not quite the same thing as handing over other information they have no need to know.

Um, wat. And the 'net ID isn't?
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] It's a government identification with which my entire existence is verified. I'd say it's slightly more sensitive information than an online password.

Nonetheless it isn't a good analogy since it's government identification by definition. And don't think the gov can't find out more than you know by tracking that number if they so desire. However, it's a necessary evil as it's the identification the government assigns and requires. Not quite the same thing as handing over other information they have no need to know.

Um, wat. And the 'net ID isn't?

Not what I said. They have a tax identification number. They have no need to assign an internet ID. None at all.
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#36 ExGabu
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this is just another case of "big brother" controlling our lives.

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im listening.. its sounds all right
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Nonetheless it isn't a good analogy since it's government identification by definition. And don't think the gov can't find out more than you know by tracking that number if they so desire. However, it's a necessary evil as it's the identification the government assigns and requires. Not quite the same thing as handing over other information they have no need to know.LJS9502_basic
Um, wat. And the 'net ID isn't?

Not what I said. They have a tax identification number. They have no need to assign an internet ID. None at all.

Not what you said? That was a direct quote. :?
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] Um, wat. And the 'net ID isn't?scorch-62
Not what I said. They have a tax identification number. They have no need to assign an internet ID. None at all.

Not what you said? That was a direct quote. :?

No it's not SSN numbers are government numbers assigned for tax/salary purposes. Internet numbers serve no purpose other than being invasive. SSN = necessary evil for government recording and benefits. Internet ID =/= necessary purpose for government tax/employee benefits. A government number =/= number assigned by government.

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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Not what I said. They have a tax identification number. They have no need to assign an internet ID. None at all.LJS9502_basic
Not what you said? That was a direct quote. :?

No it's not SSN numbers are government numbers assigned for tax/salary purposes. Internet numbers serve no purpose other than being invasive. SSN = necessary evil for government recording and benefits. Internet ID =/= necessary purpose for government tax/employee benefits. A government number =/= number assigned by government.

Um, yes it was. I hit the quote button and everything. I can do it again if you don't believe me.
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#41 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] Not what you said? That was a direct quote. :?scorch-62
No it's not SSN numbers are government numbers assigned for tax/salary purposes. Internet numbers serve no purpose other than being invasive. SSN = necessary evil for government recording and benefits. Internet ID =/= necessary purpose for government tax/employee benefits. A government number =/= number assigned by government.

Um, yes it was. I hit the quote button and everything. I can do it again if you don't believe me.

I'm sure you could rather than read my explanation where I told you several times the difference between a government ID...id one that gives one government benefits in addition to the goverment tracking income for tax purposes and an arbitrary number placed on one's internet.

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#42 coolbeans90
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Provided that it isn't mandatory that my name is connected to my internet accounts, it should be fine.

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#43 GrungeLegend
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I do not know, I do not like the government getting involved with the Internet.