obama for longer school days and years

thoughts ? :P

I support a year long school session with 2 or 3 2 month breaks.

when?

Longer school years lead to better grades on certain things, this is true, but there are other problems with the public school system that also need to be addressed.

How about we fix it as opposed to giving us more of a broken system? :|

Hey, i'm all for it!

Education FTW!

Fix the school system in and of itself first. Making the day longer with the currnet problems in place will do nothing but make things worse.

more crap doesn't make the original crap smell any less.....ie..how about fixing the broken school system before subjegating the students to go more?......Omni-Slash

Added thought because I see a consistent strawman theme developing: Proposing longer school year/day is NOT mutually exclusive from proposing improvements to the school system. This isn't either/or here.nocoolnamejim

Hmm... don't mind it if it's a slight extension. But it's important that kids have a chance to be kids, too. Right now, there's probably too much leniency in the system that allows too many kids to fall victim to sloth. But pile too much work on, and they're overwhelmed, not to mention they can't pursue extracurricular activities. If such a program is implemented, I hope that extracurricular activity can be considered 'school,' because taking time to learn music or participate in an athletic team outside of cIass can certainly build skills that can not be acquired in the cIassroom.

Some of this absurd crap Obama is for really blows my mind. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to make everyone who has already long since graduated, come back and make up for the new amount of time. Nothing surprised me anymore with this guy. :?

Then we'll start seeing more kids failing.OICWUTUDIDTHAR

Honestly...good.

When the entire bottom 5% or more of your class is failing classes, and yet, manages to still graduate, there is problem with the school system. Kids that fail classes, have behavioral issues, etc. simply can't cut it in private and public school systems. They should be immediately removed and allowed to enter a technical college or other method of schooling that teaches lifelong skill sets.

For too many years, mediocrity and poor school performance have been embraced and actually encouraged by school officials and parents (especially, the parents of these children). It needs to stop, because those same kids are preventing the establishment of more difficult and broad curriculae across America. The no child left behind bullcrap needs to stop.

It's this sort of compromising that has caused the degradation of modern society in terms of education. Many kids can barely spell without the aid of a computer spellcheck program. Even fewer children can adequately form satisfactory sentences in normal conversation. I see this all the time in the medical field with young adults entering medical school. Our testing standards are so low and the bar for success is so low, that literally idiots are succeeding in areas where only the true intelligentsia used to tread.

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[QUOTE="OICWUTUDIDTHAR"]Then we'll start seeing more kids failing.drj077

Honestly...good.

When the entire bottom 5% or more of your class is failing classes, and yet, manages to still graduate, there is problem with the school system. Kids that fail classes, have behavioral issues, etc. simply can't cut it in private and public school systems. They should be immediately removed and allowed to enter a technical college or other method of schooling that teaches lifelong skill sets.

For too many years, mediocrity and poor school performance have been embraced and actually encouraged by school officials and parents (especially, the parents of these children). It needs to stop, because those same kids are preventing the establishment of more difficult and broad curriculae across America. The no child left behind bullcrap needs to stop.

It's this sort of compromising that has caused the degradation of modern society in terms of education. Many kids can barely spell without the aid of a computer spellcheck program. Even fewer children can adequately form satisfactory sentences in normal conversation. I see this all the time in the medical field with young adults entering medical school. Our testing standards are so low and the bar for success is so low, that literally idiots are succeeding in areas where only the true intelligentsia used to tread.

Instead of longer school hours, how about more funding, better teachers and a harder curriculum? Seriously, Ive seen some sample math questions for people at the same level of math as me, and the US's math questions are ridiculously easy. I live in Canada btw.

No...Bad Obama...

Fine by me, it will keep those kids off my lawn longer!

Hmm... don't mind it if it's a slight extension. But it's important that kids have a chance to be kids, too. Right now, there's probably too much leniency in the system that allows too many kids to fall victim to sloth. But pile too much work on, and they're overwhelmed, not to mention they can't pursue extracurricular activities. If such a program is implemented, I hope that extracurricular activity can be considered 'school,' because taking time to learn music or participate in an athletic team outside of cIass can certainly build skills that can not be acquired in the cIassroom.

pianist

he's trying to make us just like europe (i don't know if all EU are like this but i at least know germany is). i would hate going to school all year round. it's hard enough concentrating the last few weeks in may.shoeman12

he's trying to make us just like europe (i don't know if all EU are like this but i at least know germany is). i would hate going to school all year round. it's hard enough concentrating the last few weeks in may.shoeman12

he'd better not or i will start a boycott of school:twisted:

[QUOTE="OICWUTUDIDTHAR"]Then we'll start seeing more kids failing.drj077

Honestly...good.

When the entire bottom 5% or more of your class is failing classes, and yet, manages to still graduate, there is problem with the school system. Kids that fail classes, have behavioral issues, etc. simply can't cut it in private and public school systems. They should be immediately removed and allowed to enter a technical college or other method of schooling that teaches lifelong skill sets.

For too many years, mediocrity and poor school performance have been embraced and actually encouraged by school officials and parents (especially, the parents of these children). It needs to stop, because those same kids are preventing the establishment of more difficult and broad curriculae across America. The no child left behind bullcrap needs to stop.

It's this sort of compromising that has caused the degradation of modern society in terms of education. Many kids can barely spell without the aid of a computer spellcheck program. Even fewer children can adequately form satisfactory sentences in normal conversation. I see this all the time in the medical field with young adults entering medical school. Our testing standards are so low and the bar for success is so low, that literally idiots are succeeding in areas where only the true intelligentsia used to tread.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Added thought because I see a consistent strawman theme developing: Proposing longer school year/day is NOT mutually exclusive from proposing improvements to the school system. This isn't either/or here.Omni-Slash

Doesn't effect me as a Canadian graduating next year but I think they should work on fixing the issues in the system not just making it more tedious.

I also find that in my private school we have less school hours then most public school kids but we do better...why? Different teaching, better teachers, and a better experience.

It's pointless in my opinion. If there's one thing I've learned from college it's that the K-12 schooling system in the US is extremely inefficient. In college you go to class twice a week (maybe three times but it usually adds up to three hours per week either way) for a single semester and come out learning way more than you ever would have in a high school class that meets five days a week for a year. The reason is pretty simple: In college all the course material is distilled and thrown at you as quickly as possible. In K-12, however, you can easily spend an entire week hammering in the same basic concept during class.

It also helps that college professors tend to be quite competent at their jobs whereas K-12 teachers are often mediocre if not outright terrible. Part of the problem there is that most states (if not every state) have very low standards for teachers. We're at the point now where you don't even need a degree to become a teacher (as long as you're working toward it that's all that matters). Another cause of the problem are teacher's unions and tenure. It can be very hard for schools to get rid of bad teachers simply because often times they can't fire them unless they do something really bad like sleep with a student.

The point of all this is that longer days are unnecessary and probably won't help at all. Instead we need to make the system more effective and efficient. And no, throwing huge sums of money into the school systems won't help anything. Students don't need individual laptops and other luxuries to learn, what they need are competent teachers and a well thought-out curriculeum.

I suppose you're right. It isn't like he campaigned upon addressing the issue from both viewpoints over the last two+ years. Saying that it is possible to walk and chew gum at the same time isn't laughable. I've personally done it.nocoolnamejim

I fully support this, in fact we should go to 6 days a week with 9 hour days. (My support has nothing to do with the fact that I graduate in 2 months)achilles614

Hmm....something I can agree with Obama about.

more crap doesn't make the original crap smell any less.....ie..how about fixing the broken school system before subjegating the students to go more?......Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="achilles614"]I fully support this, in fact we should go to 6 days a week with 9 hour days. (My support has nothing to do with the fact that I graduate in 2 months)I_pWnzz_YoU

I'm going to need a link for some kind of proof