obama for longer school days and years

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="MOCHIRON_MAN"]

I support it, even though I ******* hate school with a passion, but if it can help me get more into math, and I can learn it with more time being spent on it, than hellz yah. I just wanna get good grades. Sure, I'm in the C's and C +'s And I get B's , the B's aren't that common, but I see about 4 a year now, but I'd like to see an A in something other than P.E. and Music. an A in math for me, would make me feel like I own everything and everyone on the planet and the planet itself. I barely passed math last year, so I am in support of this.

MOCHIRON_MAN

That just means there'll be one more math test for you to fail.

Not if I have more time to learn the math Duh. I doubt you thought of that. Besides, I haven't failed any. And I'm not about too. There's a very simple way to passing all tests an exams. It doesn't have anything to do with cheating, it has to do with reading. Read the question, and read it again. And again. keep reading until all of theknowledge is there, and you hve a better chance of choosing the correct answer, or writing down the correct one.

Doesn't matter if you don't understand it. Once you get into the higher math levels you'll understand. You have to have a competent teacher who will go through examples with you (which I don't have right now) and go through things step by step. You can read all you want out of the book but it's not the same and you won't learn it as well. My current math teacher is extremely smart be he is a terrible teacher. He talks for about half an hour on the "meaning" of whatever math lesson it is we are learning instead of doing examples and helping us learn it. He's too smart for his own good. Needs to teacher better. :P

Longer school days and years won't really change anything. If they're not learning now, they won't learn if we put more on them.

If they don't want to learn they won't learn, and if the teachers aren't teaching right, making them teach more isn't going to change anything.

He is trying to change the country and make better.....but he is not doing a great job about it.

Extending school hours doesnt sound too bad as long as they take care of increasing the quality as well. I would prefer that they would make school start a little later (9am) if they were to extend the hours.

In regards to people saying that this would increase the drop-out/failure rate, well is that really a bad thing? For one thing, this would weed out the lazy and deliquents. This would increase the value of a high school education as students who are diligent and put effort into their studies will graduate. And dont forget, there are guidance counselors and extra help for those lazy/deliquent/special needs students, so its not like we're leaving them to rot. Extending class time can also lead to extra help for students who dont get the material that they are learning. Students would normally stay after school for this type of help, but they dont have that type of incentive in the first place. If they were to get that chance during class, they would be more likely to go for it. This is also beneficial to the teachers as well because they would be able to help the other students in a group.

As for the people saying that kids need their "free time" to have a nice childhood experience; more then half of that is experienced right in school, where they meet their friends in the first place. They also have extracurricular activities such as sports and clubs which is tons of fun. They are still able to socialize with their friends as well. Dont forget that they will still have breaks which last 1-3 weeks long, which is more then enough time to even travel out of country. Honestly, what do kids/teenagers do when they get home? Its either go on the internet, hang out with friends (from school no doubt), play games, or watch tv. There was a "Gamers Guild" club at my school for crying out loud, and I went on the internet all the time when I finished my work.

The only students that may suffer from this would students who have a part-time job. But remember, we're not making school last 12 hours a day, and most people who work part time only work on average 4 hours a day. 8 hours school+ 4 hours work= 12 hours. Most people are up on average 16 hours a day, only need 8 hours sleep. You have 4 hours free time to do whatever, along with the weekends. Where does that money go to anyway? Most likely towards a car/gas, and McDonalds. Also in high school, seniors and some juniors who have completed all the required classes for graduation in their previous year get to leave school early on wavers since they dont have classes, so yay more free time to go home and sleep.

Well thats my opinion on the matter. Im at work right now and dont have anything else to do :P.

In order to pay for this he'll have to, guess what, raise taxes. I love paying half my salary to the federal government.

This doesn't sound too good for the fine arts.

People were already complaining about not having enough time to practice back when I was in school.

I can only imagine what would happen if people had even more work to do.

It will never go through. chances are the people voting on this idea are thinking the same thing everyone else here is thinking (IE better teachers/curriculum vs. longer school days/years).

Extending school hours doesnt sound too bad as long as they take care of increasing the quality as well. I would prefer that they would make school start a little later (9am) if they were to extend the hours.

In regards to people saying that this would increase the drop-out/failure rate, well is that really a bad thing? For one thing, this would weed out the lazy and deliquents. This would increase the value of a high school education as students who are diligent and put effort into their studies will graduate. And dont forget, there are guidance counselors and extra help for those lazy/deliquent/special needs students, so its not like we're leaving them to rot. Extending class time can also lead to extra help for students who dont get the material that they are learning. Students would normally stay after school for this type of help, but they dont have that type of incentive in the first place. If they were to get that chance during class, they would be more likely to go for it. This is also beneficial to the teachers as well because they would be able to help the other students in a group.

As for the people saying that kids need their "free time" to have a nice childhood experience; more then half of that is experienced right in school, where they meet their friends in the first place. They also have extracurricular activities such as sports and clubs which is tons of fun. They are still able to socialize with their friends as well. Dont forget that they will still have breaks which last 1-3 weeks long, which is more then enough time to even travel out of country. Honestly, what do kids/teenagers do when they get home? Its either go on the internet, hang out with friends (from school no doubt), play games, or watch tv. There was a "Gamers Guild" club at my school for crying out loud, and I went on the internet all the time when I finished my work.

The only students that may suffer from this would students who have a part-time job. But remember, we're not making school last 12 hours a day, and most people who work part time only work on average 4 hours a day. 8 hours school+ 4 hours work= 12 hours. Most people are up on average 16 hours a day, only need 8 hours sleep. You have 4 hours free time to do whatever, along with the weekends. Where does that money go to anyway? Most likely towards a car/gas, and McDonalds. Also in high school, seniors and some juniors who have completed all the required classes for graduation in their previous year get to leave school early on wavers since they dont have classes, so yay more free time to go home and sleep.

Well thats my opinion on the matter. Im at work right now and dont have anything else to do :P.

RedMasterDX

[QUOTE="RedMasterDX"]

Extending school hours doesnt sound too bad as long as they take care of increasing the quality as well. I would prefer that they would make school start a little later (9am) if they were to extend the hours.

In regards to people saying that this would increase the drop-out/failure rate, well is that really a bad thing? For one thing, this would weed out the lazy and deliquents. This would increase the value of a high school education as students who are diligent and put effort into their studies will graduate. And dont forget, there are guidance counselors and extra help for those lazy/deliquent/special needs students, so its not like we're leaving them to rot. Extending class time can also lead to extra help for students who dont get the material that they are learning. Students would normally stay after school for this type of help, but they dont have that type of incentive in the first place. If they were to get that chance during class, they would be more likely to go for it. This is also beneficial to the teachers as well because they would be able to help the other students in a group.

As for the people saying that kids need their "free time" to have a nice childhood experience; more then half of that is experienced right in school, where they meet their friends in the first place. They also have extracurricular activities such as sports and clubs which is tons of fun. They are still able to socialize with their friends as well. Dont forget that they will still have breaks which last 1-3 weeks long, which is more then enough time to even travel out of country. Honestly, what do kids/teenagers do when they get home? Its either go on the internet, hang out with friends (from school no doubt), play games, or watch tv. There was a "Gamers Guild" club at my school for crying out loud, and I went on the internet all the time when I finished my work.

The only students that may suffer from this would students who have a part-time job. But remember, we're not making school last 12 hours a day, and most people who work part time only work on average 4 hours a day. 8 hours school+ 4 hours work= 12 hours. Most people are up on average 16 hours a day, only need 8 hours sleep. You have 4 hours free time to do whatever, along with the weekends. Where does that money go to anyway? Most likely towards a car/gas, and McDonalds. Also in high school, seniors and some juniors who have completed all the required classes for graduation in their previous year get to leave school early on wavers since they dont have classes, so yay more free time to go home and sleep.

Well thats my opinion on the matter. Im at work right now and dont have anything else to do :P.

Famiking

Just to clarify, I was talking about high school drop outs who DONT pursue further education. If they quit high school to try a different style such as home schooling then they're not the lazy people I was talking about. But just by extending school by 2-3 hours a day would cause more stress and depression seems a bit exaggerating IMO.

America's culture is VERY different compared to Japan's and SKorea. Parents and society in those countries put major emphasis and pride on education, so kids in those countries are constantly being pressured by them, A LOT more then how America does. In their viewpoint, if you fail at your studies, you're not going to go very far in life, and you would bring shame to your family. Also problems at home, bullying, relationships,not achieving personal goals,etc also influence kids into commiting suicides, so you cant blame the number of school hours alone

"Even potentially ideal students will be slowed down, this doesn't make them lazy, this makes the school system more inefficient than it already is"

regarding this, I didnt say make school last longer and cram the heck out the students. Of course there would also have to be changes on how they started teaching and distributing the material. I dont think anyone would be stupid enough to give out a tons of work and homework everyday and expect the students to complete it everyday. And as I said in my previous post, longer school days can give more time between the student and teacher to help better understand the lessons and have in-class studying, so less studying at home.

"As only a HS student (not even college) I'm working/studying at least 60 hours a week"

Uh, I dont know really what to tell you. I dont know what your life situation is like and Im not going to ask either. If you want to have more fun time, cut back on your work time. If you're trying to save up money fora car or college, busses/scholorships/financial aid/car pools is your friend. Even suburbs have bus systems, and will pick you up if you call the nearest transit office. My main point is that there are alternatives and freebies out there to help make life easier for you, if you're willing to put the effort into finding them.

If teens are getting depressed over tests and homework, just wait till they have to start worrying about healthcare, insurance, rent, kids, marriage etc. Ohhhhh and dont forget about the recession the US is in right now where jobs are being layed off like crazy and the economy sucks. A good education makes life A LOT easier later for the next 50+years of your life, but students are too worried about having fun now. I work at a college, and since the recession started we have seen a major increase in the amount ofstudents going to college, and they vary from age 18-60.

IMO, I would rather work hard at school recieving a good education, make myself valuable in my job market, and live a financially secure life where I can party hardy for the rest of my life without much worries.

Good. It's about time the U.S. started to compete with the Chinese and Japanese education systems.

The U.S. actually has one of the shortest school years in the world.

more crap doesn't make the original crap smell any less.....ie..how about fixing the broken school system before subjegating the students to go more?......Omni-Slash

It makes it smell mixed.

Yes our school system sucks.

Good. It's about time the U.S. started to compete with the Chinese and Japanese education systems.

The U.S. actually has one of the shortest school years in the world.

mfacek

[QUOTE="mfacek"]

Good. It's about time the U.S. started to compete with the Chinese and Japanese education systems.

The U.S. actually has one of the shortest school years in the world.

IamLegend316

Wow, never knew. To be honest, while it's extremely harsh it's effective. Kids who don't want to learn or even be there only detract from the kids around them.

I don't see how schools would have the money for it.

They're already pretty stretched around here from failed leavies for funding.

[QUOTE="danwallacefan"]

The Federal government has no authority over the education system.

Try again. Where do you think all the funding for books, teachers, after school programs, sports, and building infrastructure comes from? A fancy money tree, perhaps, with little elves that enjoy minting $100 bills and laundering the money through reputable contacts?

Just to clarify, I was talking about high school drop outs who DONT pursue further education. If they quit high school to try a different style such as home schooling then they're not the lazy people I was talking about. But just by extending school by 2-3 hours a day would cause more stress and depression seems a bit exaggerating IMO.

America's culture is VERY different compared to Japan's and SKorea. Parents and society in those countries put major emphasis and pride on education, so kids in those countries are constantly being pressured by them, A LOT more then how America does. In their viewpoint, if you fail at your studies, you're not going to go very far in life, and you would bring shame to your family. Also problems at home, bullying, relationships,not achieving personal goals,etc also influence kids into commiting suicides, so you cant blame the number of school hours alone

"Even potentially ideal students will be slowed down, this doesn't make them lazy, this makes the school system more inefficient than it already is"

regarding this, I didnt say make school last longer and cram the heck out the students. Of course there would also have to be changes on how they started teaching and distributing the material. I dont think anyone would be stupid enough to give out a tons of work and homework everyday and expect the students to complete it everyday. And as I said in my previous post, longer school days can give more time between the student and teacher to help better understand the lessons and have in-class studying, so less studying at home.

"As only a HS student (not even college) I'm working/studying at least 60 hours a week"

Uh, I dont know really what to tell you. I dont know what your life situation is like and Im not going to ask either. If you want to have more fun time, cut back on your work time. If you're trying to save up money fora car or college, busses/scholorships/financial aid/car pools is your friend. Even suburbs have bus systems, and will pick you up if you call the nearest transit office. My main point is that there are alternatives and freebies out there to help make life easier for you, if you're willing to put the effort into finding them.

If teens are getting depressed over tests and homework, just wait till they have to start worrying about healthcare, insurance, rent, kids, marriage etc. Ohhhhh and dont forget about the recession the US is in right now where jobs are being layed off like crazy and the economy sucks. A good education makes life A LOT easier later for the next 50+years of your life, but students are too worried about having fun now. I work at a college, and since the recession started we have seen a major increase in the amount ofstudents going to college, and they vary from age 18-60.

IMO, I would rather work hard at school recieving a good education, make myself valuable in my job market, and live a financially secure life where I can party hardy for the rest of my life without much worries.

RedMasterDX

"And as I said in my previous post, longer school days can give more time between the student and teacher to help better understand the lessons and have in-class studying, so less studying at home."

This depends, some people work better alone and others work better with others - I know I'd personally rather work myself, and the only thing that kills the feeling to even bother working outside of school is long school hours, it zaps all motivation to continue studying outside of school. As for your third claim, I'm pretty sure you're aware that -childhood happiness are the roots of adulthood happiness- (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10048213 and the book (that I haven't read >_>) http://www.amazon.com/Childhood-Roots-Adult-Happiness-Lifelong/dp/0345442334). If children are unhappy in their childhood, they are most likely to be unhappy in their adulthood as well. So the children are right in wanting to have fun now - what's wrong with fun?!

Your statement about waiting until adulthood isn't going to make teens any happier, all that tells me is "life sucks and then you die", I personally don't see the point in being depressed for 14 years and then being even more depressed the next 50 years, it certainly does not "prepare" you for anything.

IMO, I would much rather have a great childhood (but that's over now :(), having memories of the playground not the books. Have a fair income and give the same level of happiness to my children as my parents gave to me.

Also, sorry, I didn't mean to say "work". That 60 hours is pretty much exclusively studying. 7 hour school day for 5 days (35 hours), 1-2 hours homework everyday (7-14 hours) and at least 1-3 hours of tuition for future tests daily (totaled to 13.5 hours) giving a total of 55.5 - 62.5 hours.

more kid's will fail and then well go 24/7 for 20 years...excluding college hehe

Good, I hope it goes through.

So what he wants to do is pay the teachers for more hours and keep them working for longer throughout the year even though many schools in the country are getting rid of teachers and considering shorter school years because their costs are already muchtoo high.All it would do is raise costs and it would not help with education at all.

A three month trimester then a one month break, rinse/repeat?

I wish I had that, I always did poorly around the third quarter anyway and this would remove that problem.

I think we should focus more on making the schools more efficient rather than making the school days and year longer, if that makes any sense.Cube_of_MooN

This. School days/length are fine, if any changes need to be made it should be to start later, end later. You know/remember how hard it is to get up around 6 for teenagers?

[QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"]I think we should focus more on making the schools more efficient rather than making the school days and year longer, if that makes any sense.ChubbyGuy40

This. School days/length are fine, if any changes need to be made it should be to start later, end later. You know/remember how hard it is to get up around 6 for teenagers?

Now do you see why some of us voted for McCain?

I think it's a good idea. The U.S. has a whole has made a pretty big slide in recent years in terms of the rankings of its educated workforce/ population. It's probably not going to be the sole solution, but it's a start. Notes to those who do not like it, you have several options.

1. Find ways to graduate early from your respective middle school or high school (it's not that hard. I've done it myself).

2. Just go with what you have to do, and then when you get to college, take a bunch of CLEP exams (i've done that too :P.)

3. When you get to college, go to summer school and get extra credits to graduate at your preferred time or what not.

Just a few suggestions 8).

[QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"]I think we should focus more on making the schools more efficient rather than making the school days and year longer, if that makes any sense.ChubbyGuy40

This. School days/length are fine, if any changes need to be made it should be to start later, end later. You know/remember how hard it is to get up around 6 for teenagers?