Obama has a chance in Texas!

But only against Palin.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/01/obama-with-chance-in-texasbut-only.html

Just more evidence that running Palin wouldn't be the best of ideas. If Obama comes this close in Texas, there's no way Palin can win vital swing states.

Honestly, I think that going for her party's nomination with numbers like this (if they continue to be so weak) would be somewhat selfish of her.

Thoughts?

I'd vote for Palin, for the lulz.

4 years of crashing and burning.

This Palin stuff is getting old. She's not going to run. Even if she tried she's not going to beat Romney or the like.

I'd vote for Palin, for the lulz.

4 years of crashing and burning.

htekemerald

Same. I'd move to Mexico or Canada and watch the show from there.

Is McCain able to run again for President? :o I think he'd do a super job :3Jaguar_Shade

I still think he'd be great if it wasn't for his age.

Is McCain able to run again for President? :o I think he'd do a super job :3Jaguar_Shade

Bush Jr. Jr.

This Palin stuff is getting old. She's not going to run. Even if she tried she's not going to beat Romney or the like.

Pirate700

Don't be so sure.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20029023-503544.html

[QUOTE="Jaguar_Shade"]Is McCain able to run again for President? :o I think he'd do a super job :3Pirate700

I still think he'd be great if it wasn't for his age.

After witnessing his erratic behavior during the campaign, I don't see how anybody can be confident in a potential McCain Presidency.

With the exception of Huckabee, all those numbers are close enough that they could easily turn around in two years, so I'd say Obama has a shot at Texas against any of them (except Huckabee). Of course, they could also move in the other direction.chessmaster1989

I'd love to believe that he could win Texas, but its is still a pretty deeply red state. Once the heated election rhetoric begins, I don't really think a President that signed the healthcare legislation could win there.

None of this speculation matters. Huckster's going all the way in 2012 baby! :Dfidosim

I don't think he's going all the way, but I'd say he has the best chance to win the nomination if he steps up his fundraising game. He can bring in the Palin demographics and has none of her debilitating weaknesses.

I think McCain is deeply unprincipled even for a politician.

I think McCain is deeply unprincipled even for a politician.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I think McCain is deeply unprincipled even for a politician.

Jaguar_Shade

He doesn't have any principles. His political personality is dependent on whichever way the wind is blowing. Back then he argued for the rich paying more in taxes and he used to have a way more positive attitude toward repealing don't ask, don't tell. He used to fashion himself as a moderate "Maverick". Now he's a hardliner because of the changing political climate. It's no longer advantageous to be a Maverick. His political career is filled with these huge ideological flip lops. It's honestly hard to pin down where he stands ideologically.

For all his political gameplaying, I know that Obama is a progressive. I don't know what the heck McCain is.

Also, he left his first wife after she was disfigured in a car accident. I consider that to be morally reprehensible.

I get the same feeling listening to Palin talk as i get from Glenn Beck; like the person i'm watching is genuinely unhinged and slightly dangerous. Only Beck's a showman, whereas i think she's the real deal. Genuine crazy. Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]With the exception of Huckabee, all those numbers are close enough that they could easily turn around in two years, so I'd say Obama has a shot at Texas against any of them (except Huckabee). Of course, they could also move in the other direction.GreySeal9

I'd love to believe that he could win Texas, but its is still a pretty deeply red state. Once the heated election rhetoric begins, I don't really think a President that signed the healthcare legislation could win there.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Texas is the sort of state where it'd go "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" if Palin were nominated, but would then like Obama even less and would vote for Palin as a result.

I'd vote for Palin, for the lulz.

4 years of crashing and burning.

htekemerald

I don't like either of 'em

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Go Palin! Go Palin! Go Palin! Obama 2012! VOTE FOR PALIN!!alexside1

American politics does tend to bear a strong resemblance to sports at times:

1. People align with and begin to identify with other people whom they've never met, such that they cheer their successes and mourn their losses.

2. They get immediately combative with others the moment they find out they're aligned with people who are not the people they aligned with.

3. They try to get everyone to care about the performance of the people they've aligned with, and get indignant when people don't care.

4. If the people they're aligned with attain the ultimate success, they're on top of the world, whereas if they're knocked out, they get into deep doldrums.

5. Nobody cares about what happens after either side wins until the new season starts.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]With the exception of Huckabee, all those numbers are close enough that they could easily turn around in two years, so I'd say Obama has a shot at Texas against any of them (except Huckabee). Of course, they could also move in the other direction.GabuEx

I'd love to believe that he could win Texas, but its is still a pretty deeply red state. Once the heated election rhetoric begins, I don't really think a President that signed the healthcare legislation could win there.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Texas is the sort of state where it'd go "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" if Palin were nominated, but would then like Obama even less and would vote for Palin as a result.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Go Palin! Go Palin! Go Palin! Obama 2012! VOTE FOR PALIN!!GabuEx

American politics does tend to bear a strong resemblance to sports at times:

1. People align with and begin to identify with other people whom they've never met, such that they cheer their successes and mourn their losses.

2. They get immediately combative with others the moment they find out they're aligned with people who are not the people they aligned with.

3. They try to get everyone to care about the performance of the people they've aligned with, and get indignant when people don't care.

4. If the people they're aligned with attain the ultimate success, they're on top of the world, whereas if they're knocked out, they get into deep doldrums.

5. Nobody cares about what happens after either side wins until the new season starts.

This Palin stuff is getting old. She's not going to run. Even if she tried she's not going to beat Romney or the like.

Pirate700

and it's really too bad because there are far better Republican candidates out there, but as long as she continues to pretend she is going to run for President they can't get any real coverage of their own.

Though it's not that I really want talk about the next presidential race for two years. >_> I'd much rather the focus be placed on things that could actually help the country.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

This Palin stuff is getting old. She's not going to run. Even if she tried she's not going to beat Romney or the like.

Serraph105

and it's really too bad because there are far better Republican candidates out there, but as long as she continues to pretend she is going to run for President they can't get any real coverage of their own.

Though it's not that I really want talk about the next presidential race for two years. >_> I'd much rather the focus be placed on things that could actually help the country.

OBSESSED!!!! I'm telling you the left is obsessed with this woman. They say she's irrelevant and dumb as rocks, yet they can't go 2 seconds without mentioning her name.

And I can't believe people are paying attention to polls that are 2 years out from the election.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Go Palin! Go Palin! Go Palin! Obama 2012! VOTE FOR PALIN!!GabuEx

American politics does tend to bear a strong resemblance to sports at times:

1. People align with and begin to identify with other people whom they've never met, such that they cheer their successes and mourn their losses.

2. They get immediately combative with others the moment they find out they're aligned with people who are not the people they aligned with.

3. They try to get everyone to care about the performance of the people they've aligned with, and get indignant when people don't care.

4. If the people they're aligned with attain the ultimate success, they're on top of the world, whereas if they're knocked out, they get into deep doldrums.

5. Nobody cares about what happens after either side wins until the new season starts.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] What is this? Sports?alexside1

American politics does tend to bear a strong resemblance to sports at times:

1. People align with and begin to identify with other people whom they've never met, such that they cheer their successes and mourn their losses.

2. They get immediately combative with others the moment they find out they're aligned with people who are not the people they aligned with.

3. They try to get everyone to care about the performance of the people they've aligned with, and get indignant when people don't care.

4. If the people they're aligned with attain the ultimate success, they're on top of the world, whereas if they're knocked out, they get into deep doldrums.

5. Nobody cares about what happens after either side wins until the new season starts.

OBSESSED!!!! I'm telling you the left is obsessed with this woman. They say she's irrelevant and dumb as rocks, yet they can't go 2 seconds without mentioning her name.

And I can't believe people are paying attention to polls that are 2 years out from the election.

peaceful_anger

I'm not obsessed, but I do find her to be a very interesting person/topic. I think she's honestly an unprecedented kind of politician. I honestly have a hard time finding any politician from that the past she remotely parallels.

I see no reason to discount these polls. One's level of favorability certain does have an impact on elections. Unless Palin has an attitude adjustments and makes herself credible on key issues, the public's perception of her is unlikely to change.

Basically, what I'm saying is that there are fundamental problems with her that is causing these very high unfavorably ratings, which in turn, is shifting Texas polls in a direction where Obama is only a single point behind. The only way for her to be electable is to fix those problems.

And right now, it seems like she is intent on playing the victim card rather than displaying any universal leadership qualities. It's like she think she's the only politician who has it rough.

[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]

OBSESSED!!!! I'm telling you the left is obsessed with this woman. They say she's irrelevant and dumb as rocks, yet they can't go 2 seconds without mentioning her name.

And I can't believe people are paying attention to polls that are 2 years out from the election.

GreySeal9

I'm not obsessed, but I do find her to be a very interesting person/topic.

I see no reason to discount these polls. One's level of favorability certain does have an impact on elections. Unless Palin has an attitude adjustments and makes herself credible on key issues, the public's perception of her is unlikely to change.

And right now, it seems like she is intent on playing the victim card rather than displaying any universal leadership qualities. It's as if she think she's the only politician who has it rough.

In Texas. But everyone else will vote for somebody else,except for Palin or Obama

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]

OBSESSED!!!! I'm telling you the left is obsessed with this woman. They say she's irrelevant and dumb as rocks, yet they can't go 2 seconds without mentioning her name.

And I can't believe people are paying attention to polls that are 2 years out from the election.

peaceful_anger

I'm not obsessed, but I do find her to be a very interesting person/topic.

I see no reason to discount these polls. One's level of favorability certain does have an impact on elections. Unless Palin has an attitude adjustments and makes herself credible on key issues, the public's perception of her is unlikely to change.

And right now, it seems like she is intent on playing the victim card rather than displaying any universal leadership qualities. It's as if she think she's the only politician who has it rough.

People never had a negative perception of Obama. He was always viewed favorably and he debuted in an extremely strong way. From there on, he just became more and more credible to the American people. Palin has very high negatives 2 years after her debut. The difference is in attitude. Obama gives off positive energy whereas Palin gives off negative energy. Also, the former comes off as well read and highly intelligent and knowledgeable. The former simply doesn't.

I do agree that a campaign can change perception, but she has to start working on that now (because for all intents and purpose, campaigning is starting now) and so far I don't see that happening. She is still acting like a victim.

She's not generally attacked on her policy positions, but that is because she has never coherently stated them. She deals in slogans and generalities. If her interviews are any evidence, she just doesn't have a detailed knowledge of key issues, which worries people. I don't get why she doesn't just get more substantial and shut her critics up. If she starting being substantial, I know I would stop bagging on her.

Don't get me wrong. I think my side goes much too far sometimes, but I'd say that the stuff thrown at Obama is just as bad, if not worse, than what's thrown at Palin. People have called him a secret Muslim/Kenyan, they have questioned his loyalty to this country, they have compared him to Hitler Even Sarah Palin herself has engaged in that kind of stuff with all the death panels nonsense. Yet Obama doesn't even acknowledge all this. He just ignores it or jokes about it. Palin needs to pick her battles and suck it up. Politicians always get vitriol thrown at them. That's just the way it is. It's better to just rise above it instead of constantly playing the victim card. That's not what people look for in a leader. They look for Reagan-esque optimism.

Also, it's really hard to see her as some kind of victim when she throws out just as much nasty vitriol as she receives.

But only against Palin.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/01/obama-with-chance-in-texasbut-only.html

Just more evidence that running Palin wouldn't be the best of ideas. If Obama comes this close in Texas, there's no way Palin can win vital swing states.

Honestly, I think that going for her party's nomination with numbers like this (if they continue to be so weak) would be somewhat selfish of her.

Thoughts?

GreySeal9

Obama isn't going to win Texas and Palin isn't going to run for President.

It's going to depend on the economy, if it's still pretty bad, it doesn't matter whom Obama runs against, he's still going to be a one-termer.

[QUOTE="Jaguar_Shade"]Is McCain able to run again for President? :o I think he'd do a super job :3majrankin

Bush Jr. Jr.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

But only against Palin.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/01/obama-with-chance-in-texasbut-only.html

Just more evidence that running Palin wouldn't be the best of ideas. If Obama comes this close in Texas, there's no way Palin can win vital swing states.

Honestly, I think that going for her party's nomination with numbers like this (if they continue to be so weak) would be somewhat selfish of her.

Thoughts?

EvilTaru

Obama isn't going to win Texas and Palin isn't going to run for President.

It's going to depend on the economy, if it's still pretty bad, it doesn't matter whom Obama runs against, he's still going to be a one-termer.

I never said Obama would win Texas.

And also, there's plenty of evidence that Palin is likely to run:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVcUzP_O_8&ob=av2el

What I am saying is that Obama should be that close in Texas. If he is, that means that Palin isn't likely to win anything outside of deeply red states.

The "it doesn't matter who he runs against" logic is BS. What candidate he is running against certainly matters as a really bad candidate will make it so that voters go with the lesser of two evils.

I think if palin runs as the main candidate then she has a better chance than she did with Mccain

I think if palin runs as the main candidate then she has a better chance than she did with Mccain

BestAlarmClock

Why?

McCain was pretty darn popular with the America people and doesn't scare away Independents.

[QUOTE="EvilTaru"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

But only against Palin.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/01/obama-with-chance-in-texasbut-only.html

Just more evidence that running Palin wouldn't be the best of ideas. If Obama comes this close in Texas, there's no way Palin can win vital swing states.

Honestly, I think that going for her party's nomination with numbers like this (if they continue to be so weak) would be somewhat selfish of her.

Thoughts?

GreySeal9

Obama isn't going to win Texas and Palin isn't going to run for President.

It's going to depend on the economy, if it's still pretty bad, it doesn't matter whom Obama runs against, he's still going to be a one-termer.

I never said Obama would win Texas.

And also, there's plenty of evidence that Palin is likely to run:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVcUzP_O_8&ob=av2el

What I am saying is that Obama should be that close in Texas. If he is, that means that Palin isn't likely to win anything outside of deeply red states.

The "it doesn't matter who he runs against" logic is BS. What candidate he is running against certainly matters as a really bad candidate will make it so that voters go with the lesser of two evils.

Palin isn't stupid enough to not know that she doesn't have the support of the GOP establishment to win the nomination, she might be running for VP and she's a viable VP pick since she can solidify conservative support.

While it's still very early and we still have a very large pool of candidates who haven't declared their intentions, it's not that hard to understand that the GOP already knows they need to nominate someone whomust have strong enough support from the conservative base but with enough broad appeal to social moderates-fiscal conservatives. If the economy is still in the dumpster in 2012 theGOP candidate would be viewed as the lesser of the two evils.

[QUOTE="BestAlarmClock"]

I think if palin runs as the main candidate then she has a better chance than she did with Mccain

GreySeal9

Why?

McCain was pretty darn popular with the America people and doesn't scare away Independents.

McCain never had support from the conservative base and didn't attract enough independents to make up the difference.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="EvilTaru"]

Obama isn't going to win Texas and Palin isn't going to run for President.

It's going to depend on the economy, if it's still pretty bad, it doesn't matter whom Obama runs against, he's still going to be a one-termer.

EvilTaru

I never said Obama would win Texas.

And also, there's plenty of evidence that Palin is likely to run:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVcUzP_O_8&ob=av2el

What I am saying is that Obama should be that close in Texas. If he is, that means that Palin isn't likely to win anything outside of deeply red states.

The "it doesn't matter who he runs against" logic is BS. What candidate he is running against certainly matters as a really bad candidate will make it so that voters go with the lesser of two evils.

Palin isn't stupid enough to not know that she doesn't have the support of the GOP establishment to win the nomination, she might be running for VP.

While it's still very early, it's not that hardtounderstand that the GOPalready knows they need tonominate someone who doesn't have strong enough support from the conservative base but with enough broad appeal to social moderates-fiscal conservatives. If the economy is still in the dumpster in 2012 theGOP candidate would be viewed as the lesser of the two evils.

I doubt she's running for VP since she's all ready been there, done that. Also, with all due respect, I think my link showing her testing the water in Iowa is a little more substantial than your speculation on how smart Palin is.

How do you know the GOP candidate would be viewed as the lesser of two evils? If they put someone like Palin up, it makes Obama look better than he ordinarily would look even in spite of a slow economy. In no circumstance would Palin look like the lesser of two evils if she hasn't made adjustments by then. After all, the polls indicate that even in this slow economy, Obama is viewed more favorably.

If Obama would look like the lesser of two evils in any situation, they could conceivably draw a name out of a hat.

negative perception of Obama. He was always viewed favorably and he debuted in an extremely strong way. From there on, he just became more and more credible to the American people. Palin has very high negatives 2 years after her debut. The difference is in attitude. Obama gives off positive energy whereas Palin gives off negative energy. Also, the former comes off as well read and highly intelligent and knowledgeable. The former simply doesn't.

I do agree that a campaign can change perception, but she has to start working on that now (because for all intents and purpose, campaigning is starting now) and so far I don't see that happening. She is still acting like a victim.

She's not generally attacked on her policy positions, but that is because she has never coherently stated them. She deals in slogans and generalities. If her interviews are any evidence, she just doesn't have a detailed knowledge of key issues, which worries people. I don't get why she doesn't just get more substantial and shut her critics up. If she starting being substantial, I know I would stop bagging on her.

Don't get me wrong. I think my side goes much too far sometimes, but I'd say that the stuff thrown at Obama is just as bad, if not worse, than what's thrown at Palin. People have called him a secret Muslim/Kenyan, they have questioned his loyalty to this country, they have compared him to Hitler Even Sarah Palin herself has engaged in that kind of stuff with all the death panels nonsense. Yet Obama doesn't even acknowledge all this. He just ignores it or jokes about it. Palin needs to pick her battles and suck it up. Politicians always get vitriol thrown at them. That's just the way it is. It's better to just rise above it instead of constantly playing the victim card. That's not what people look for in a leader. They look for Reagan-esque optimism.

Also, it's really hard to see her as some kind of victim when she throws out just as much nasty vitriol as she receives.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="EvilTaru"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I never said Obama would win Texas.

And also, there's plenty of evidence that Palin is likely to run:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVcUzP_O_8&ob=av2el

What I am saying is that Obama should be that close in Texas. If he is, that means that Palin isn't likely to win anything outside of deeply red states.

The "it doesn't matter who he runs against" logic is BS. What candidate he is running against certainly matters as a really bad candidate will make it so that voters go with the lesser of two evils.

GreySeal9

Palin isn't stupid enough to not know that she doesn't have the support of the GOP establishment to win the nomination, she might be running for VP.

While it's still very early, it's not that hardtounderstand that the GOPalready knows they need tonominate someone who doesn't have strong enough support from the conservative base but with enough broad appeal to social moderates-fiscal conservatives. If the economy is still in the dumpster in 2012 theGOP candidate would be viewed as the lesser of the two evils.

I doubt she's running for VP since she's all ready been there, done that. Also, with all due respect, I think my link showing her testing the water in Iowa is a little more substantial than your speculation on how smart Palin is.

How do you know the GOP candidate would be viewed as the lesser of two evils? If they put someone like Palin up, it makes Obama look better than he ordinarily would look even in spite of a slow economy. In no circumstance would Palin look like the lesser of two evils if she hasn't made adjustments by then. After all, the polls indicate that even in this slow economy, Obama is viewed more favorably.

If Obama would look like the lesser of two evils in any situation, they would just throw anybody out there, but we both know that won't happen.

Testing the waters in Iowa doesn'treally mean she thinks she has an actual chance to win the GOP primary, it keeps her in the spotlight and allow her to maintain some level of relevance. Huckabee's PAC is seeking donations too but it's pretty clear that he won't have the fund-raising powess to win the nomination either, right now it's too early to even tell who's going to be running other than maybe Mitt Romney who has way too much baggage to win the GOP nomination.

You're basically trying to set up the dream scenario in order for Obama to get a second term, when the fact is as long as the economy is in the dumpster and unemployment is still high by 2012, Obama can kiss the white house goodbye.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

negative perception of Obama. He was always viewed favorably and he debuted in an extremely strong way. From there on, he just became more and more credible to the American people. Palin has very high negatives 2 years after her debut. The difference is in attitude. Obama gives off positive energy whereas Palin gives off negative energy. Also, the former comes off as well read and highly intelligent and knowledgeable. The former simply doesn't.

I do agree that a campaign can change perception, but she has to start working on that now (because for all intents and purpose, campaigning is starting now) and so far I don't see that happening. She is still acting like a victim.

She's not generally attacked on her policy positions, but that is because she has never coherently stated them. She deals in slogans and generalities. If her interviews are any evidence, she just doesn't have a detailed knowledge of key issues, which worries people. I don't get why she doesn't just get more substantial and shut her critics up. If she starting being substantial, I know I would stop bagging on her.

Don't get me wrong. I think my side goes much too far sometimes, but I'd say that the stuff thrown at Obama is just as bad, if not worse, than what's thrown at Palin. People have called him a secret Muslim/Kenyan, they have questioned his loyalty to this country, they have compared him to Hitler Even Sarah Palin herself has engaged in that kind of stuff with all the death panels nonsense. Yet Obama doesn't even acknowledge all this. He just ignores it or jokes about it. Palin needs to pick her battles and suck it up. Politicians always get vitriol thrown at them. That's just the way it is. It's better to just rise above it instead of constantly playing the victim card. That's not what people look for in a leader. They look for Reagan-esque optimism.

Also, it's really hard to see her as some kind of victim when she throws out just as much nasty vitriol as she receives.

peaceful_anger

Simply using the overplayed mainstream liberal media card (which I don't buy into; Obama got hammered in the media for the Wright situation and he's gotten plenty of negative feedback these last two years) strikes me as an excuse not to examine what was appealing about Obama's attitude as opposed to Palin's. Still, I'll concede that you have a point about the change in perceptions regarding his qualifications. But over the time span in which Obama was on the national stage, he worked relentlessly at improving his credibility. Where is the evidence that Palin is making any effective effort at doing this?

Palin's unfavorables don't come from being tied to the murder. They come from how she handled it. After all, only 30% approve of the way she handled it. Why is that? Because she made herself seem like the biggest victim in the world when people had just died and a Congresswoman was in critical condition. That comes off as tasteless. She also has tried to tie the killer to the "left" on Hannity, which is exactly what was done to her. It's hypocritical.

Stuff like that makes her come as as immature and petty and the America people don't want someone like that as their leader.

Also, when you appear to be a divider and not a uniter, your appeal becomes very limited.

Maybe Palin's more intelligent than her way of presenting herself attests to, but in politics, presentation is everything and right now, she comes off as being anti-intellectual and not well read or informed.