[QUOTE="Stumpt25"]Yeah it's stupid that this makes the news... People who think that his Christian morals are important should realise that he isn't going to lose those by not going to church... It's not like a top-up card or anything. He really doesn't have any Christian morals.
I would be more concerned if he wasn't seeing his family, which is way more important than chruch imo. Also, you elected him to make decisions, not waste time in chruch, why should you care?
[QUOTE="WhiteSnake5000"]The more he's out of church and focusing on his presidency, the better. Plus, I think deep inside Obama has a lot of doubt about Christianity and God. nimatoad2000
I'm sure not every President was crazy about church or religion in general.
Thing is, no one is going to vote an athiest into office. Gotta be christian.
and thats gotta change.. ... its this religious garbage and all the conservative people trying to slow down our progress that has us soo far behind europe in soo many differnet things.. the united states isn't even close to being at the forefront of technology or science anymore. Oh really, The US is behind europe in Tech? The only thing Europe is ahead with is cell phones and wireless networks, and that is only becuase of stupid American regulation.
Glenn Beck is really the only thing I enjoy watching on Fox anymore. I don't agree with all of his points, but I like him because he's pissed off about what's going on in Washington and all across America.
Nope I don't care and anyone who does is a pedantic sod. I mean he's the president, it's not like he's got a load of free time to just wander down to church.
[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Stumpt25"]Yeah it's stupid that this makes the news... People who think that his Christian morals are important should realise that he isn't going to lose those by not going to church... It's not like a top-up card or anything. He really doesn't have any Christian morals. I think it's transparent that he feels guided by his Christianity.
Who cares if Barack is or isn't going to church. He is a busy person and he needs to concentrate on the most important stuff. About the argument ''If America is advanced in sientific research'', I think I will have to go with nimatoad on this. I do think America needs to move faster with technology. And I think I could say that this is all Bushes falt since he was against most researches american scientists wanted to do. Example: The cell parts... He was against researching on cell making or what not. (I'm not sure of the right term so, plz forgive me if I am not clear on this.)
Well he is president of the United States of America...it is kind of a big deal... But yeah, I don't know, that is kind of a stretch in that he basically has not gone since he took office. I mean it is an hour a week, and for as much as he was pushing his Christian thing during his campaign he is kind of lacking in his rigor.
Well he is president of the United States of America...it is kind of a big deal... But yeah, I don't know, that is kind of a stretch in that he basically has not gone since he took office. I mean it is an hour a week, and for as much as he was pushing his Christian thing during his campaign he is kind of lacking in his rigor.ice_radon
How is his personal religious beliefs "a big deal"?
Wait a news channel ACTUALLY reported on this? wow.. must be desperate for stories. Also i am sure that it would be in the news if he had been going to church.. You know soemthing along the lines of " lacking behind on his duties as president..." etcetc.
A lot of the pundits on Fox News have been really irritating me over the past few weeks. Especially Hannity, whose show has turned into a train wreck ever since Colmes left. He's been going on for the past couple of weeks talking about how Obama said that Americans were arrogant (although he conveniently never mentions that Obama also stated that Europe has an often unwarranted Anti-American attitude) and how Obama denounced the idea that America is a christian nation. If anything, a christian nation is one of the most un-american things imaginable. But that doesn't matter to Hannity; considering he loves to skew and revise history and facts whenever he may please. The only show I enjoy watching on Fox News is Glenn Beck; just because that SOB is a complete nut job.
I would say having a President with no religious beliefs would be ten times the accomplishment of having a black person or a woman for President.
Optical_Order
It's already been done before. It can be easily argued that Thomas Jefferson was an athiest.
He was a deist.
However, nowadays with the way christianity has spread, it's just not possible in the U.S. It would not happen.
He was a deist at best, a athiest at worst. Both sides are really easy to argue for. So there is a stong possiblity that Jefferson was ,in fact, an athiest.
It's already been done before. It can be easily argued that Thomas Jefferson was an athiest.
Suddenstriker52
He was a deist.
However, nowadays with the way christianity has spread, it's just not possible in the U.S. It would not happen.
He was a deist at best, a athiest at worst. Both sides are really easy to argue for. So there is a stong possiblity that Jefferson was ,in fact, an athiest.
I think there is much more evidence that suggests that he was a deist. One only has to look so far as to the Declaration of Independence where he writes of "Nature's God". He makes references to God in many of his writings. If he were an atheist he would not make said reference.
[QUOTE="WhiteSnake5000"]The more he's out of church and focusing on his presidency, the better. Plus, I think deep inside Obama has a lot of doubt about Christianity and God. WhiteSnake5000
I'm sure not every President was crazy about church or religion in general.
Thing is, no one is going to vote an athiest into office. Gotta be christian.
Oh yeah for sure. That's why I think Obama isn't as religious as the media portrays him. You must have missed all the uproar over his pastor then....
In the Uk Religion isn't allowed to affect any discisions any member of parliment makes, I also think (Athlough not certain on the subject) that the Prime Ministers are actually advised not to attend church and that Tony Blair (Catholic) was not allowed to attend church for the entire length of his ministry except for weddings, funerals, remembrance day, other ceremonial occasions.
From an outside prospective I see the fact religion interfears in politics in the USA as one of its largest flaws. A European conservative would be considered quite liberal by United Sates standards.
However, nowadays with the way christianity has spread, it's just not possible in the U.S. It would not happen.
-Sun_Tzu-
He was a deist at best, a athiest at worst. Both sides are really easy to argue for. So there is a stong possiblity that Jefferson was ,in fact, an athiest.
I think there is much more evidence that suggests that he was a deist. One only has to look so far as to the Declaration of Independence where he writes of "Nature's God". He makes references to God in many of his writings. If he were an atheist he would not make said reference. You are correct. He was a deist.
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