[QUOTE="Abbeten"]
Interest rates on government debt continue on in the negatives.Nibroc420
Uhh what?
"Borrow money, dont pay interest, get paid interest!"
What sort of BS troll logic are you going on about?
Negative interest on debt?
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"]
Interest rates on government debt continue on in the negatives.Nibroc420
Uhh what?
"Borrow money, dont pay interest, get paid interest!"
What sort of BS troll logic are you going on about?
Negative interest on debt?
[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]
Hmmm, but how has he handled the overall debt? He added to that by a considerable amount.
Blue-Sky
If there's a deficit, of course the debt will increase.
Regardless of who is in the white house, the debt would have increased by 1 trillion every year.
The national debt will increase by another 3 trillion by 2016 whether Romney or Obama is in the white house. There is nothing anyone can do about the national debt right now other than try to balance the annual budget.
Uhhh, what about his very expensive stimulus and Obamacare bills? Added a lot to that debt, plus he is wanting another stimulus? Absurd.[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]
[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]
Hmmm, but how has he handled the overall debt? He added to that by a considerable amount.
ristactionjakso
If there's a deficit, of course the debt will increase.
Regardless of who is in the white house, the debt would have increased by 1 trillion every year.
The national debt will increase by another 3 trillion by 2016 whether Romney or Obama is in the white house. There is nothing anyone can do about the national debt right now other than try to balance the annual budget.
Uhhh, what about his very expensive stimulus and Obamacare bills? Added a lot to that debt, plus he is wanting another stimulus? Absurd. Obamacare reduces the deficit, because of the radical idea of offsetting new spending with new revenue.[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]
[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]
Hmmm, but how has he handled the overall debt? He added to that by a considerable amount.
ristactionjakso
If there's a deficit, of course the debt will increase.
Regardless of who is in the white house, the debt would have increased by 1 trillion every year.
The national debt will increase by another 3 trillion by 2016 whether Romney or Obama is in the white house. There is nothing anyone can do about the national debt right now other than try to balance the annual budget.
Uhhh, what about his very expensive stimulus and Obamacare bills? Added a lot to that debt, plus he is wanting another stimulus? Absurd.Wow you really are out of touch.
Both TARP and ACA contributed to the reduction in spending. That's why repealing Obamacare "adds" to the debt.
This is a very interesting report considering I was just reading thiswhich says the deficit has increased by 5.5 trillion since 2009. Wasdie
Debt, not deficit. Debt always increases as long as a deficit exists, and counting from the start of 2009, there have been effectively four years of deficits leading to an average deficit of 1.375 trillion USD, which is consistent with the information in the OP.
[QUOTE="Wasdie"]
This is a very interesting report considering I was just reading thiswhich says the deficit has increased by 5.5 trillion since 2009. Barbariser
Debt, not deficit. Debt always increases as long as a deficit exists, and counting from the start of 2009, there have been effectively four years of deficits leading to an average deficit of 1.375 trillion USD, which is consistent with the information in the OP.
Stop that, only Mitt Romney talking points matter:P
I would think the point is whether it's wiser to elect people who say their concerned about the deficit but fail to balance it based on their ideas instead of people who don't focus on it but it magically goes down anyway based on those policies.-Obama has lowered the deficit to $1.1 Trillion
-he did a pretty damn good job handling the deficit
:lol:
Yes, thank you Obama for only running a $1.1 trillion deficit. Lets reelect you.
limpbizkit818
[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]Uhhh, what about his very expensive stimulus and Obamacare bills? Added a lot to that debt, plus he is wanting another stimulus? Absurd. Obamacare reduces the deficit, because of the radical idea of offsetting new spending with new revenue. well actually we don't know if Obamcare reduces the deficit for sure, that's just an estimation. It's possible that many of the revenue sources/taxes in Obamacare may not generate as much revenue as predicted (for instance I heard the tanning bed tax didn't bring in as much money as it was estimated to).[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]
If there's a deficit, of course the debt will increase.
Regardless of who is in the white house, the debt would have increased by 1 trillion every year.
The national debt will increase by another 3 trillion by 2016 whether Romney or Obama is in the white house. There is nothing anyone can do about the national debt right now other than try to balance the annual budget.
-Sun_Tzu-
Also it's possible that some of the taxes in Obamacare may be repealed (for instance, Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren wants to repeal a tax on medical devices), which would lower Obamacare's revenues.
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]Looking at how Bush handled the war it looks like he dragged it on for too long. What we had 20,000 troops in Afghanistan in 2005 or 6? There were about 23,000 troops in Afghanistan in April 2005 and 26,000 in May 2006..Jebus213
Part of the reason for the the low levels was that the U.S. strategy relied on using Afghan allies (first the Northern Alliance, and then the Afghan army) to do much of the ground fighting (with U.S. special forces and air support to back them up) in order to keep U.S. casualties low. Also I think violence/fighting in Afghanistan after the initial invasion was pretty low and didn't start to pick up until about 2007 or 2008 (I think at this time the Taliban was hunkering down in Pakistan and regrouping, and then around 2007 or so they began to try to make a come-back).
Part of the reason for the increase in casualties (and probably most of the reason for the increase in cost) under Obama is that Obama sent more troops to Afghanistan, though some of the casualties may be due to a change in the Rules of Engagement designed to reduce civilian casualties that make it harder for troops to get artillery and air support. Also in the last few years there has been a big increase in incidents where Afghan troops and police (the guys the U.S. is training to be our allies) fire on U.S. and NATO troops (this is thought to be due to an increase in members of the Taliban, particularly the Haqqani network, infiltrating the Afghan police and military).
[QUOTE="whipassmt"]I think we can focus on jobs and deficit reduction at the same time. It's possible that a high national debt may be bad for employment, though i'm not sure the details of how that argument works. That argument basically says that businesses will abstain from investing if they feel the government's finances are unsustainable and will inevitably result in a financial collapse. It doesn't really hold because businesses cite lack of demand for their products or services as the main reason for pulling back on investment, and interest rates on government debt are negative, which show supreme investor confidence in the government's stability. I agree we need to focus on deficit reduction, I just think that trying for that while simultaneously boosting job growth is going to result in a mediocre showing for both efforts.[QUOTE="Abbeten"] Exactly, which is why focusing on jobs just makes more sense. But for some reason, people think that we'll turn into Greece if we don't immediately implement drastic austerity measures.Abbeten
You're kidding me right? People turning to bonds means they're much more risk averse.
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