Obama supports LIFTING the global ban on whaling for countries that still whale.

If there are loopholes wouldn't you want to fix it?

SgtKevali

Some people hunt whales to survive, just putting that out there.

enix165

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]This is a good idea. :| If you legalize it and impose limits on it and actually police whaling it's better than just saying 'it's illegal' and leaving it at that, leaving people to illegally whale all they like with no restriction. SpartanMSU

So you'd rather have him enforce meaningless wars in the middle east instead of inforcing a law to protect an entire species? If the US put as much effort into stopping whaling as they do killing in the middle east, this wouldn't be an issue. The president is WEAK in so many ways.

Because invloving our selves in wars that had nothing to do with us is better?

[QUOTE="enix165"]

Some people hunt whales to survive, just putting that out there.

BuryMe

Some people steal other peoples ID to survive, just putting that out there...

[spoiler] is that relevant :|?... [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

If there are loopholes wouldn't you want to fix it?

LJS9502_basic

I don't know much about this issue, so I'm not going to pretend I do, but my sense is that there's probably more to this.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="enix165"]

Some people hunt whales to survive, just putting that out there.

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Some people steal other peoples ID to survive, just putting that out there...

Just like the fact that some people selling cocaise just to survive doesn't automatically mean it's a good idea to legalise the potentially danerous drug.

Your example of identity theft was good, too.

Sorry, I had to delete your spoiler tags. Glitchspot wouldn't let me post them

Oh please, like the right suddenly cares about the whales. :roll: Anyway, I disagree with him. Hope he changes his mind or something.Tauruslink

This is a good idea. :| If you legalize it and impose limits on it and actually police whaling it's better than just saying 'it's illegal' and leaving it at that, leaving people to illegally whale all they like with no restriction. Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]This is a good idea. :| If you legalize it and impose limits on it and actually police whaling it's better than just saying 'it's illegal' and leaving it at that, leaving people to illegally whale all they like with no restriction. Loco_Live

So you'd rather have him enforce meaningless wars in the middle east instead of inforcing a law to protect an entire species? If the US put as much effort into stopping whaling as they do killing in the middle east, this wouldn't be an issue. The president is WEAK in so many ways.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]This is a good idea. :| If you legalize it and impose limits on it and actually police whaling it's better than just saying 'it's illegal' and leaving it at that, leaving people to illegally whale all they like with no restriction. Loco_Live

So you'd rather have him enforce meaningless wars in the middle east instead of inforcing a law to protect an entire species? If the US put as much effort into stopping whaling as they do killing in the middle east, this wouldn't be an issue. The president is WEAK in so many ways.

Why is it the US's job all of a suddden to enforce international regulations and laws?

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]This is a good idea. :| If you legalize it and impose limits on it and actually police whaling it's better than just saying 'it's illegal' and leaving it at that, leaving people to illegally whale all they like with no restriction. Ninja-Hippo

So you'd rather have him enforce meaningless wars in the middle east instead of inforcing a law to protect an entire species? If the US put as much effort into stopping whaling as they do killing in the middle east, this wouldn't be an issue. The president is WEAK in so many ways.

so what if some communities have relied on whaling in the past, times change, time for a new career.

how many blacksmiths do we have anymore, after the motor car came and horses were made redundant they pretty much all had to look for a new career.

Critics of the administration will have a whale of a time due to this.

T_P_O

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]This is a good idea. :| If you legalize it and impose limits on it and actually police whaling it's better than just saying 'it's illegal' and leaving it at that, leaving people to illegally whale all they like with no restriction. Ninja-Hippo

So you'd rather have him enforce meaningless wars in the middle east instead of inforcing a law to protect an entire species? If the US put as much effort into stopping whaling as they do killing in the middle east, this wouldn't be an issue. The president is WEAK in so many ways.

How do you know those countries would want to regulate it?

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]This is a good idea. :| If you legalize it and impose limits on it and actually police whaling it's better than just saying 'it's illegal' and leaving it at that, leaving people to illegally whale all they like with no restriction. SgtKevali

So you'd rather have him enforce meaningless wars in the middle east instead of inforcing a law to protect an entire species? If the US put as much effort into stopping whaling as they do killing in the middle east, this wouldn't be an issue. The president is WEAK in so many ways.

Why is it the US's job all of a suddden to enforce international regulations and laws?

all of a sudden?

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

So you'd rather have him enforce meaningless wars in the middle east instead of inforcing a law to protect an entire species? If the US put as much effort into stopping whaling as they do killing in the middle east, this wouldn't be an issue. The president is WEAK in so many ways.

gamedude2020

Why is it the US's job all of a suddden to enforce international regulations and laws?

all of a sudden?

What I'm asking is why is it the US's job to enforce this sort of regulation? Is it written down that they have to somewhere? Like I said, I don't know a lot about this.

I would fully research the issue before heaping condemnation on the administration. I'm not a fan of Obama either, but I also know little about the research that is being used to explain how this will affect whale populations.

Atheos-Arkhaios

What I'm asking is why is it the US's job to enforce this sort of regulation? Is it written down that they have to somewhere? Like I said, I don't know a lot about this.

SgtKevali

if you are a global superpower then I guess it's your job to be global police guy, to protect your own interests and ideals...

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

Critics of the administration will have a whale of a time due to this.

JustPlainLucas

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="T_P_O"]

Critics of the administration will have a whale of a time due to this.

T_P_O

I got a laugh out of it :P

A lot of people voted for this guy and I just have to ask, why?

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

So you'd rather have him enforce meaningless wars in the middle east instead of inforcing a law to protect an entire species? If the US put as much effort into stopping whaling as they do killing in the middle east, this wouldn't be an issue. The president is WEAK in so many ways.

Loco_Live

Because invloving our selves in wars that had nothing to do with us is better?

Yep. Terrorism has nothing to do with us.:roll:

I don't want to argue this, so don't reply.

I don't see the problem. Why couldn't they hunt whales to begin with? If extinction is the problem I can understand that.

I don't see the problem. Why couldn't they hunt whales to begin with? If extinction is a problem I can understand that.

airshocker

I don't see the problem. Why couldn't they hunt whales to begin with? If extinction is a problem I can understand that.

airshocker

I don't see the problem. Why couldn't they hunt whales to begin with? If extinction is a problem I can understand that.

airshocker

Certain fish are sustainable at the moment. Whales aren't.

If extinction is the problem I can see why this wouldn't be a good idea. But the ocean is a big place, are they really as endangered as we think they are?

On another note, this definitely isn't something the administration needs to be thinking about ATM. The US has much bigger problems.

Eh, I'm rather indifferent. Perhaps it isn't the wisest decision, but I don't know exactly what is the plan with regards to the issue. Would this have some sort of catastrophic long term effect on humans if they went extinct?

Wow, there are people dying and crime rising and education failing and poverty increasing and jobs being lost, and we're upset over whales. Priorities, priorities. Come on Barack, move on past this joke of an issue and let's tackle the real problems eh? Maniacc1

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]Wow, there are people dying and crime rising and education failing and poverty increasing and jobs being lost, and we're upset over whales. Priorities, priorities. Come on Barack, move on past this joke of an issue and let's tackle the real problems eh? mattbbpl

Problems like this can't be put on the back burner. If you say, "We'll address it after the economy, the two wars, healthcare reform, etc" then when we finally get to addressing the issue the whales are gone. It happens far too easily.mattbbpl

The global ban ISN'T lifted, though. While this might be an issue some people care about, we have much more pressing matters to attend to.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the guy is hanging himself for the next election, but while he is President I'd like him to do things that actually help more than a niche community.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Problems like this can't be put on the back burner. If you say, "We'll address it after the economy, the two wars, healthcare reform, etc" then when we finally get to addressing the issue the whales are gone. It happens far too easily.airshocker

The global ban ISN'T lifted, though. While this might be an issue some people care about, we have much more pressing matters to attend to.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the guy is hanging himself for the next election, but while he is President I'd like him to do things that actually help more than a niche community.

Wow, there are people dying and crime rising and education failing and poverty increasing and jobs being lost, and we're upset over whales. Priorities, priorities. Come on Barack, move on past this joke of an issue and let's tackle the real problems eh? Maniacc1

Losing whales might not seem like a big deal, but such a significant loss of sealife could potentially kill more people (in the long run) than any war we're fighting right now.

You assume their governments want to regulate it...which doesn't seem to be the case now....since they allow whaling.:?LJS9502_basic

What a ****ing shame. This whole thing pisses me off.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You assume their governments want to regulate it...which doesn't seem to be the case now....since they allow whaling.:?Ninja-Hippo

Totally going to cost him the whale vote. (insert American obesity joke here)fidosim

I don't know whether to laugh or say shame on you. :P

I would fully research the issue before heaping condemnation on the administration. I'm not a fan of Obama either, but I also know little about the research that is being used to explain how this will affect whale populations.

Atheos-Arkhaios

all it does is stop illegal whaling, which is faaaar worse. if they do it legally, they can be controlled about when, where and how much they do it...

gamedude2020

[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

all it does is stop illegal whaling, which is faaaar worse. if they do it legally, they can be controlled about when, where and how much they do it...

0Tyler0

Good for him.

so now oil is bad unless it comes from a sea creature

If you actually read up on the story, the countries signing this agreement have to agree to REDUCE the number of whales being hunted each year, implement an oversight program and take part in the whale DNA registry. People are knee-jerk reacting to this rather than considering the facts; with this plan, whale hunting will be legal. That sucks, but before we flip out we need to examine what our actual goal is, and if that is 'saving the whales' then you cannot argue that this plan is wrong because it will actively and decisively REDUCE the number of whales killed each year. Ninja-Hippo

since none of us know the actual provisions of the agreement, your conclusion is only as good as an educated guess. how are the countries going to actually regulate the whaling activities? how are they going to actually help preserve whales? does the international community have oversight to prevent these countries from abusing their rights? until we know the precise answers to these questions and the numbers to back them up, there's absolutely no reason to support the lifting of ban on whaling.

Oh please, like the right suddenly cares about the whales. :roll: Anyway, I disagree with him. Hope he changes his mind or something.Tauruslink

Ronald Reagan championed the cause to ban whaling. ;)

I wonder what the enviromentalists will say now on Obama.