Obama tells UN he sees 'no shortcut' to Isreali-Palestinian peace....

I want peace too, but I fully support Isreal (in most cases), and I doubt the UN is going to be able to do anything. Palestinians want a seperate state but I don't believe in that, Israel should stay one state as that is our land now. And I'm of Jewish descent so mabey that might be another reason, but that doesn't change anything. Israel is the only true democracy in the middle east and if the palestinains get their way Hamas will move in and surrond them. I support Israels stance against the palestinain state and I think Isreal should have more control over the middle east. I guess this makes me a zionist but I don't care.

Both sides are going to have to comprimise and the UN being useless isn't going to fix anything. In order for this to work you have to get into Israel it'self and fix it there.

PS gamespot won't let me link, it's being glicthy again. But it's a top news story and my thread title is straight from the washing post.

While i didn't expect this bid to really work.

I'll just say this Shadow. you've really got three options with the Arabs territory that Israel is currently occupying. Kill them all, kick them out, accept them as citizens.

and if say you accept them, you ruin the Jewish character of Israel for good.

A two state solution is the only choice for Israel, it literally is a gun to it's head as it insists taking over more land in the occupied territories and calling it it's own.

As far as wanting Israel to have more power in the Middle East, it is already the military powerhouse in the region. But that's about the extent of Israel's influence. Outside of threatning to bomb us, nobody gives a **** what the Israeli's have to say, that is the current feel on the street in th Arab world. and such attitudes of imposing superiority towards a region that is overwhelmingly not Jewish in ethnicity or religion, will only continue more antipathy between the peoples.

While i didn't expect this bid to really work.

I'll just say this Shadow. you've really got three options with the Arabs territory that Israel is currently occupying. Kill them all, kick them out, accept them as citizens.

and if say you accept them, you ruin the Jewish character of Israel for good.

A two state solution is the only choice for Israel, it literally is a gun to it's head as it insists taking over more land in the occupied territories and calling it it's own.

As far as wanting Israel to have more power in the Middle East, it is already the military powerhouse in the region. But that's about the extent of Israel's influence. Outside of threatning to bomb us, nobody gives a **** what the Israeli's have to say, that is the current feel on the street in th Arab world. and such attitudes of imposing superiority towards a region that is overwhelmingly not Jewish in ethnicity or religion, will only continue more antipathy between the peoples.

SaudiFury

I don't see the issue with accepting the Arabs as citizens. They would become Isralis citezins which means they belong to a true democracy. A two state system would never work because as history shows that would just create more confilct. I don't pretend Israel is perfect mind you, I know they kill innocent people too, but they arn't like Hamas where they delibertly target citizens. Israel kills innocent civilians by accident, but they need to be more careful.

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

While i didn't expect this bid to really work.

I'll just say this Shadow. you've really got three options with the Arabs territory that Israel is currently occupying. Kill them all, kick them out, accept them as citizens.

and if say you accept them, you ruin the Jewish character of Israel for good.

A two state solution is the only choice for Israel, it literally is a gun to it's head as it insists taking over more land in the occupied territories and calling it it's own.

As far as wanting Israel to have more power in the Middle East, it is already the military powerhouse in the region. But that's about the extent of Israel's influence. Outside of threatning to bomb us, nobody gives a **** what the Israeli's have to say, that is the current feel on the street in th Arab world. and such attitudes of imposing superiority towards a region that is overwhelmingly not Jewish in ethnicity or religion, will only continue more antipathy between the peoples.

ShadowMoses900

I don't see the issue with accepting the Arabs as citizens. They would become Isralis citezins which means they belong to a true democracy. A two state system would never work because as history shows that would just create more confilct. I don't pretend Israel is perfect mind you, I know they kill innocent people too, but they arn't like Hamas where they delibertly target citizens. Israel kills innocent civilians by accident, but they need to be more careful.

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

While i didn't expect this bid to really work.

I'll just say this Shadow. you've really got three options with the Arabs territory that Israel is currently occupying. Kill them all, kick them out, accept them as citizens.

and if say you accept them, you ruin the Jewish character of Israel for good.

A two state solution is the only choice for Israel, it literally is a gun to it's head as it insists taking over more land in the occupied territories and calling it it's own.

As far as wanting Israel to have more power in the Middle East, it is already the military powerhouse in the region. But that's about the extent of Israel's influence. Outside of threatning to bomb us, nobody gives a **** what the Israeli's have to say, that is the current feel on the street in th Arab world. and such attitudes of imposing superiority towards a region that is overwhelmingly not Jewish in ethnicity or religion, will only continue more antipathy between the peoples.

ShadowMoses900

I don't see the issue with accepting the Arabs as citizens. They would become Isralis citezins which means they belong to a true democracy. A two state system would never work because as history shows that would just create more confilct. I don't pretend Israel is perfect mind you, I know they kill innocent people too, but they arn't like Hamas where they delibertly target citizens. Israel kills innocent civilians by accident, but they need to be more careful.

Generally speaking i know it's not Israeli policy to kill civilians, but i'm fairly sure there ahve been some pretty bad IDF soldiers as well. long term war does that to people. It's not so much an excuse as it is a symptom.

Most Palestinians want a separate state, and antipathy, mistrust, and hatred between the two is still high even as the two try slowly towards peace it would not be pretty if they formed one country. You'd not only get get a Arab majority but it's not going to be called Israel for much longer either. it would end up being Palestine with a very large near equal Jewish minority. civil war would be very likely if it were to ever happen.

frankly i would defer to GazaAli as he is Palestinian who actually lives there, and Darkman2007 and Grape_of_Wrath as their both Israeli's. I am merely a globe-trotting Saudi, and i already have a state, granted i really want to see this conflict come to an end as i wanna see my region of the world get better sooner rather then later.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

While i didn't expect this bid to really work.

I'll just say this Shadow. you've really got three options with the Arabs territory that Israel is currently occupying. Kill them all, kick them out, accept them as citizens.

and if say you accept them, you ruin the Jewish character of Israel for good.

A two state solution is the only choice for Israel, it literally is a gun to it's head as it insists taking over more land in the occupied territories and calling it it's own.

As far as wanting Israel to have more power in the Middle East, it is already the military powerhouse in the region. But that's about the extent of Israel's influence. Outside of threatning to bomb us, nobody gives a **** what the Israeli's have to say, that is the current feel on the street in th Arab world. and such attitudes of imposing superiority towards a region that is overwhelmingly not Jewish in ethnicity or religion, will only continue more antipathy between the peoples.

SaudiFury

I don't see the issue with accepting the Arabs as citizens. They would become Isralis citezins which means they belong to a true democracy. A two state system would never work because as history shows that would just create more confilct. I don't pretend Israel is perfect mind you, I know they kill innocent people too, but they arn't like Hamas where they delibertly target citizens. Israel kills innocent civilians by accident, but they need to be more careful.

Generally speaking i know it's not Israeli policy to kill civilians, but i'm fairly sure there ahve been some pretty bad IDF soldiers as well. long term war does that to people. It's not so much an excuse as it is a symptom.

Most Palestinians want a separate state, and antipathy, mistrust, and hatred between the two is still high even as the two try slowly towards peace it would not be pretty if they formed one country. You'd not only get get a Arab majority but it's not going to be called Israel for much longer either. it would end up being Palestine with a very large near equal Jewish minority. civil war would be very likely if it were to ever happen.

frankly i would defer to GazaAli as he is Palestinian who actually lives there, and Darkman2007 and Grape_of_Wrath as their both Israeli's. I am merely a globe-trotting Saudi, and i already have a state, granted i really want to see this conflict come to an end as i wanna see my region of the world get better sooner rather then later.

I'm an American of Jewish descent and I don't see how having a seperate Palestine state would solve the issue. The Jews are one of the smallest ethnic groups on the planet, and they always have been. We only make up about 1% of the worlds population, and whenever we begin to repopulate we get killed again. Israel is only a small part of the middle east with only around 8 million people. Most Jews live in the US and live in either New Yorkor Florida. The Hebrews are surronded by enemy nations on all sides with larger populations that want to wipe them out.

The palestinans can go live with the other Arabs in the other countries. They will accept them.

I don't see any solution coming to pass with Netanyahu and the rest of his coalition in power. -Sun_Tzu-

The palestinans can go live with the other Arabs in the other countries. They will accept them.

ShadowMoses900

I just hope we dont veto Palestines admission to the UN. Come on Obama, have some backbone.

I just hope we dont veto Palestines admission to the UN. Come on Obama, have some backbone.

sonicare

Not going to happen, the Israeli government has shown time and time again their refusal of relinquishing the West Bank in any way..

The only solution I see is US pulling all support from the Israeli government until very strict demands are reached.. Until then they can enjoy no support from the US and no protection from the UN for war crimes, human rights violations etc etc.. IN the end of the day a solution will never be reached when the US is unquestioningly supporting a side that does not wish for there to be two states, that has little to no care for the consquences of extreme measures.. Israel is as much the aggressor as they are the victim, worse they have been protected by the West from the beginning and have been given every advantage in the conflict.. The time has come to force their hand that they must cease the hardline policy they have been conducting for decades.sSubZerOo

Nope I think the US needs to support Isreal because it's the only stable democracy in the middle east. And they are outnumbered and just fighting back for their self defense. People who don't see this are anti semites.

I just hope we dont veto Palestines admission to the UN. Come on Obama, have some backbone.

sonicare

I don't see any solution coming to pass with Netanyahu and the rest of his coalition in power. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]The only solution I see is US pulling all support from the Israeli government until very strict demands are reached.. Until then they can enjoy no support from the US and no protection from the UN for war crimes, human rights violations etc etc.. IN the end of the day a solution will never be reached when the US is unquestioningly supporting a side that does not wish for there to be two states, that has little to no care for the consquences of extreme measures.. Israel is as much the aggressor as they are the victim, worse they have been protected by the West from the beginning and have been given every advantage in the conflict.. The time has come to force their hand that they must cease the hardline policy they have been conducting for decades.ShadowMoses900

Nope I think the US needs to support Isreal because it's the only stable democracy in the middle east. And they are outnumbered and just fighting back for their self defense. People who don't see this are anti semites.

- Yeah, only stable democracy if in the Middle-East if we don't count other countries like Turkey and Jordan.

- Calling those who do not lock-step agree with you anti-semites isn't helping your cause. If anything it only makes your arguments look that much worse.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I just hope we dont veto Palestines admission to the UN. Come on Obama, have some backbone.

Not going to happen, the Israeli government has shown time and time again their refusal of relinquishing the West Bank in any way..

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't see any solution coming to pass with Netanyahu and the rest of his coalition in power. Cow4ever

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't see any solution coming to pass with Netanyahu and the rest of his coalition in power. Cow4ever

While i didn't expect this bid to really work.

I'll just say this Shadow. you've really got three options with the Arabs territory that Israel is currently occupying. Kill them all, kick them out, accept them as citizens.

and if say you accept them, you ruin the Jewish character of Israel for good.

A two state solution is the only choice for Israel, it literally is a gun to it's head as it insists taking over more land in the occupied territories and calling it it's own.

As far as wanting Israel to have more power in the Middle East, it is already the military powerhouse in the region. But that's about the extent of Israel's influence. Outside of threatning to bomb us, nobody gives a **** what the Israeli's have to say, that is the current feel on the street in th Arab world. and such attitudes of imposing superiority towards a region that is overwhelmingly not Jewish in ethnicity or religion, will only continue more antipathy between the peoples.

SaudiFury

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]The only solution I see is US pulling all support from the Israeli government until very strict demands are reached.. Until then they can enjoy no support from the US and no protection from the UN for war crimes, human rights violations etc etc.. IN the end of the day a solution will never be reached when the US is unquestioningly supporting a side that does not wish for there to be two states, that has little to no care for the consquences of extreme measures.. Israel is as much the aggressor as they are the victim, worse they have been protected by the West from the beginning and have been given every advantage in the conflict.. The time has come to force their hand that they must cease the hardline policy they have been conducting for decades.ShadowMoses900

Nope I think the US needs to support Isreal because it's the only stable democracy in the middle east.

Who cares? Democracies don't automatically make them good or some just power..

And they are outnumbered and just fighting back for their self defense.

No they are not.. They hold a military majority in the Middle East and have their own stockload of nuclear weapons.. Every time a small gurrilla action occurs Israel attacks with 10 times the force.. Israeli in this conflict is as much the aggressor as they are the victim historically.. They have made numerous aggressive actions through the years.. This isn't suggesting they are the bad guys, but the government basically has had every advantage and had pretty much everything they wanted fo rdecades right now.. While the Palestianian population has had no real support of any kind.. But why do I bother with statements like "Well they should just go to other Arab nations!".. Your either extremely ignorant of how complicated the history is or your just that bias.

People who don't see this are anti semites.

:lol: THATS rich.. Demonize people who disagree with you.. Hilarious.. Furthermore anti-semites needs to die as a term being used.. THE ARAB population is a semetic population AND LARGER then the Jewish population.. Yet the Jewish population are considered the only semites when it comes to this term.. It just goes to show how warped the conflict has been to which a classification of culture and lingusitics can't even be used correctly.

While i didn't expect this bid to really work.

I'll just say this Shadow. you've really got three options with the Arabs territory that Israel is currently occupying. Kill them all, kick them out, accept them as citizens.

and if say you accept them, you ruin the Jewish character of Israel for good.

A two state solution is the only choice for Israel, it literally is a gun to it's head as it insists taking over more land in the occupied territories and calling it it's own.

As far as wanting Israel to have more power in the Middle East, it is already the military powerhouse in the region. But that's about the extent of Israel's influence. Outside of threatning to bomb us, nobody gives a **** what the Israeli's have to say, that is the current feel on the street in th Arab world. and such attitudes of imposing superiority towards a region that is overwhelmingly not Jewish in ethnicity or religion, will only continue more antipathy between the peoples.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I just hope we dont veto Palestines admission to the UN. Come on Obama, have some backbone.

gaming25

Not going to happen, the Israeli government has shown time and time again their refusal of relinquishing the West Bank in any way..

Its numerous things, there is no single solution its a start.. And the fact of the matter it BEGINS with Israel because they for decades now control all the territories, control the policies, they control the military power, the international support.. Its a completely one sided conflict, yet people some how think its the Palestinians who are preventing any kind of solution from happening?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]The only solution I see is US pulling all support from the Israeli government until very strict demands are reached.. Until then they can enjoy no support from the US and no protection from the UN for war crimes, human rights violations etc etc.. IN the end of the day a solution will never be reached when the US is unquestioningly supporting a side that does not wish for there to be two states, that has little to no care for the consquences of extreme measures.. Israel is as much the aggressor as they are the victim, worse they have been protected by the West from the beginning and have been given every advantage in the conflict.. The time has come to force their hand that they must cease the hardline policy they have been conducting for decades.worlock77

Nope I think the US needs to support Isreal because it's the only stable democracy in the middle east. And they are outnumbered and just fighting back for their self defense. People who don't see this are anti semites.

- Yeah, only stable democracy if in the Middle-East if we don't count other countries like Turkey and Jordan.

- Calling those who do not lock-step agree with you anti-semites isn't helping your cause. If anything it only makes your arguments look that much worse.

[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't see any solution coming to pass with Netanyahu and the rest of his coalition in power. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Nope I think the US needs to support Isreal because it's the only stable democracy in the middle east. And they are outnumbered and just fighting back for their self defense. People who don't see this are anti semites.

Cow4ever

- Yeah, only stable democracy if in the Middle-East if we don't count other countries like Turkey and Jordan.

- Calling those who do not lock-step agree with you anti-semites isn't helping your cause. If anything it only makes your arguments look that much worse.

Would you deny then, that the modern United Kingdom or Denmark are democracies?

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Not going to happen, the Israeli government has shown time and time again their refusal of relinquishing the West Bank in any way..

Its numerous things, there is no single solution its a start.. And the fact of the matter it BEGINS with Israel because they for decades now control all the territories, control the policies, they control the military power, the international support.. Its a completely one sided conflict, yet people some how think its the Palestinians who are preventing any kind of solution from happening?

While i didn't expect this bid to really work.

I'll just say this Shadow. you've really got three options with the Arabs territory that Israel is currently occupying. Kill them all, kick them out, accept them as citizens.

and if say you accept them, you ruin the Jewish character of Israel for good.

A two state solution is the only choice for Israel, it literally is a gun to it's head as it insists taking over more land in the occupied territories and calling it it's own.

As far as wanting Israel to have more power in the Middle East, it is already the military powerhouse in the region. But that's about the extent of Israel's influence. Outside of threatning to bomb us, nobody gives a **** what the Israeli's have to say, that is the current feel on the street in th Arab world. and such attitudes of imposing superiority towards a region that is overwhelmingly not Jewish in ethnicity or religion, will only continue more antipathy between the peoples.

[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

- Yeah, only stable democracy if in the Middle-East if we don't count other countries like Turkey and Jordan.

- Calling those who do not lock-step agree with you anti-semites isn't helping your cause. If anything it only makes your arguments look that much worse.

worlock77

Would you deny then, that the modern United Kingdom or Denmark are democracies?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]The only solution I see is US pulling all support from the Israeli government until very strict demands are reached.. Until then they can enjoy no support from the US and no protection from the UN for war crimes, human rights violations etc etc.. IN the end of the day a solution will never be reached when the US is unquestioningly supporting a side that does not wish for there to be two states, that has little to no care for the consquences of extreme measures.. Israel is as much the aggressor as they are the victim, worse they have been protected by the West from the beginning and have been given every advantage in the conflict.. The time has come to force their hand that they must cease the hardline policy they have been conducting for decades.sSubZerOo

Nope I think the US needs to support Isreal because it's the only stable democracy in the middle east.

Who cares? Democracies don't automatically make them good or some just power..

And they are outnumbered and just fighting back for their self defense.

No they are not.. They hold a military majority in the Middle East and have their own stockload of nuclear weapons.. Every time a small gurrilla action occurs Israel attacks with 10 times the force.. Israeli in this conflict is as much the aggressor as they are the victim historically.. They have made numerous aggressive actions through the years.. This isn't suggesting they are the bad guys, but the government basically has had every advantage and had pretty much everything they wanted fo rdecades right now.. While the Palestianian population has had no real support of any kind.. But why do I bother with statements like "Well they should just go to other Arab nations!".. Your either extremely ignorant of how complicated the history is or your just that bias.

People who don't see this are anti semites.

:lol: THATS rich.. Demonize people who disagree with you.. Hilarious.. Furthermore anti-semites needs to die as a term being used.. THE ARAB population is a semetic population AND LARGER then the Jewish population.. Yet the Jewish population are considered the only semites when it comes to this term.. It just goes to show how warped the conflict has been to which a classification of culture and lingusitics can't even be used correctly.

Democracies are automatically better since the people are free, and it's MUCH better than living under Hamas or some other terrorst radical. And they are outnumbered on all sides, how many Jewish countries are there in the middle east, only ONE! All the others want to kill them, FACT. Israel is defending it'self, yes they have done things I disagree with, but they just want one small piece of land that was given to them after the holocaust. I don't see the problem, the Arabs were living under a dictator that killed women and treated them like animalsuntil the Zionists brought freedom.

And if you really talk to people who are against Israel, you really start to see the real issue. And that is they are anti semites. Yes the Arabs are semites too and Jews are the share the same ethnicity, but they are still different ethnic groups and anti semite mostly refers to people who hate the jewish ethnic group.

Isreal knows what to do and I support there right to have a Jewish state.

Here is the thing that some Israel diplomats say, that leaving some places would cause rocket fire (I think something like this occured a few years ago), and would be critical to their overall defense. Here is the thing, what exactly would Hamas, and other people who attacked Israel want from them to stop those attacks and hostility to Israel? Is it them leaving all of the land completely from Palestine, or is it something else? What do you think?gaming25

These groups are only as strong as their supporters.. Lets take a look at the event in Lebenon when Hezzbollah organization began rocket attacking Israel.. It had mass criticism fromt he group in the region including the local residents who did not wish to support the group any more.. Israel in their genious decided to bomb the region with little care for collateral damage.. The results? Hezzbollah got record suppot and now is firmly entrenched in the region.. Many of these groups would not be getting the kind of support they are right now if they did not have desperate people willing to support them.. The Palestinian population is the poster child of this.. Countryless, no real government, under martial law under a percieved hostile force.. Who are you going to run to, the guy who wants to negotiate after this supposed hostile force has not let down and conitnues to enforce its own policies, or the guy who wants to committ military action to them? IN the end of the day imo it has to start with Israel in making way in creating a two state solution..

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Not going to happen, the Israeli government has shown time and time again their refusal of relinquishing the West Bank in any way..

sSubZerOo

Its numerous things, there is no single solution its a start.. And the fact of the matter it BEGINS with Israel because they for decades now control all the territories, control the policies, they control the military power, the international support.. Its a completely one sided conflict, yet people some how think its the Palestinians who are preventing any kind of solution from happening?

Wouldnt leaving all of their settlements in Palestine (instead of a couple) stop the rocket attacks that they are concerned about? Isnt one of the gripes they have with Israel is because of the settlements?gaming25

Its numerous things, there is no single solution its a start.. And the fact of the matter it BEGINS with Israel because they for decades now control all the territories, control the policies, they control the military power, the international support.. Its a completely one sided conflict, yet people some how think its the Palestinians who are preventing any kind of solution from happening?

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

Here is the thing that some Israel diplomats say, that leaving some places would cause rocket fire (I think something like this occured a few years ago), and would be critical to their overall defense. Here is the thing, what exactly would Hamas, and other people who attacked Israel want from them to stop those attacks and hostility to Israel? Is it them leaving all of the land completely from Palestine, or is it something else? What do you think?sSubZerOo

These groups are only as strong as their supporters.. Lets take a look at the event in Lebenon when Hezzbollah organization began rocket attacking Israel.. It had mass criticism fromt he group in the region including the local residents who did not wish to support the group any more.. Israel in their genious decided to bomb the region with little care for collateral damage.. The results? Hezzbollah got record suppot and now is firmly entrenched in the region.. Many of these groups would not be getting the kind of support they are right now if they did not have desperate people willing to support them.. The Palestinian population is the poster child of this.. Countryless, no real government, under martial law under a percieved hostile force.. Who are you going to run to, the guy who wants to negotiate after this supposed hostile force has not let down and conitnues to enforce its own policies, or the guy who wants to committ military action to them? IN the end of the day imo it has to start with Israel in making way in creating a two state solution..

I am inclined to agree. There is an Arab Spring currently happening. If I were Israel, I would try to be as pro Arab as I can possibly be. To me this UN Palestine admission is a no brainer.

[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Its numerous things, there is no single solution its a start.. And the fact of the matter it BEGINS with Israel because they for decades now control all the territories, control the policies, they control the military power, the international support.. Its a completely one sided conflict, yet people some how think its the Palestinians who are preventing any kind of solution from happening?

gaming25

Palestinians don't have a country so why would they be in the UN? It's Israel now and that's how it should be...

[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Its numerous things, there is no single solution its a start.. And the fact of the matter it BEGINS with Israel because they for decades now control all the territories, control the policies, they control the military power, the international support.. Its a completely one sided conflict, yet people some how think its the Palestinians who are preventing any kind of solution from happening?

gaming25

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Nope I think the US needs to support Isreal because it's the only stable democracy in the middle east.

Who cares? Democracies don't automatically make them good or some just power..

And they are outnumbered and just fighting back for their self defense.

No they are not.. They hold a military majority in the Middle East and have their own stockload of nuclear weapons.. Every time a small gurrilla action occurs Israel attacks with 10 times the force.. Israeli in this conflict is as much the aggressor as they are the victim historically.. They have made numerous aggressive actions through the years.. This isn't suggesting they are the bad guys, but the government basically has had every advantage and had pretty much everything they wanted fo rdecades right now.. While the Palestianian population has had no real support of any kind.. But why do I bother with statements like "Well they should just go to other Arab nations!".. Your either extremely ignorant of how complicated the history is or your just that bias.

People who don't see this are anti semites.

:lol: THATS rich.. Demonize people who disagree with you.. Hilarious.. Furthermore anti-semites needs to die as a term being used.. THE ARAB population is a semetic population AND LARGER then the Jewish population.. Yet the Jewish population are considered the only semites when it comes to this term.. It just goes to show how warped the conflict has been to which a classification of culture and lingusitics can't even be used correctly.

ShadowMoses900

Democracies are automatically better since the people are free

.. No they are not.. Democracy is a wide definition and you can have the exact same tyranny of a dictatorship through mob rule..

, and it's MUCH better than living under Hamas or some other terrorst radical.

This isn't helping you when you have to compare to extremist groups that desperate people who see no other choice flock too.

And they are outnumbered on all sides

Not militarily.. Israel since the 1967 war has shown they are the military hegemon of the region.. Especially with nuclear weapons, no country is going to dare directly attack them.. Sorry not going to happen.

, how many Jewish countries are there in the middle east, only ONE!

And?

All the others want to kill them, FACT.

WRONG.. Jordan and Egypt are actually close allies with Israel.. And up until recently so was Turkey.

Israel is defending it'self

Yep uh huh you mean like in the Lebenon civil war or the 1967 war.. Historically they are no better then the other sie thats my point..

, yes they have done things I disagree with, but they just want one small piece of land that was given to them after the holocaust.

Just because a terrible thing happened doesn't give any one the right to destroy the lives of other people.. Sorry..

I don't see the problem, the Arabs

We aren't talking about all Arabs we are talking about the Palesitnians who live in that region.. They are not the same.. Or don't tell me.. White people from the state Georgia and white people from France are allt eh same and they wouldn't mind moving to either country when forced to? WRONG.

were living under a dictator that killed women and treated them like animalsuntil the Zionists brought freedom.

Thats actually a bold faced lie.. The Ottoman Empire was actually quite liberal in allowing all religions.. And furthermore the West has purposely held back democracies within the region furthermore... Zionists brought freedom? No they didn't to the local population they were seen as a annoyance to down right a threat..

And if you really talk to people who are against Israel, you really start to see the real issue.

Please stop talking out of your ass.. How bout you open a history book on the matter.. I can recommend you several seeing as I have studied it quite in depth.

And that is they are anti semites.

Sorry your stereotyping, not every one who opposes Israel's policies is a anti semite.. I hold no animosity towards people who are Jewish, I just happen to oppose the Israeli hardline policy.. That must mean there are alot of self hating jews in Israel afterall quite a few are against the current policies.

Yes the Arabs are semites too and Jews are the share the same ethnicity, but they are still different ethnic groups and anti semite mostly refers to people who hate the jewish ethnic group.

Which wouldn't make any sense seeing as the Arab population dwarfs the Jewish population..

Isreal knows what to do and I support there right to have a Jewish state.

Where the hell did I say that they shouldn't exist? Oh thast right NO where.. I specifically support a two state solution..

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[QUOTE="Cow4ever"] Yeah it's really democratic to have a king as head of state (Jordan) and having the most journalists in the world in prison (Turkey)Cow4ever

Would you deny then, that the modern United Kingdom or Denmark are democracies?

Yes, they are. Queen Elizabeth is the Head of State of the United Kingdom. Yet it still has a democratic parlimentary system. Much like Jordan.

And I can assure you all these are against Israel.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Cow4ever"] All the territories? no. Control the policies? don't know what that means... Control the military power? Relative to the Palestinians obviously but not relative to the middle east. International support? You got to be kidding me. Do you even know what a UN resolution is? There is a, now defunct, UN resolution pretty much saying Israel's very existence is racism :?Cow4ever

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[QUOTE="gaming25"] Wouldnt leaving all of their settlements in Palestine (instead of a couple) stop the rocket attacks that they are concerned about? Isnt one of the gripes they have with Israel is because of the settlements?Cow4ever

Its numerous things, there is no single solution its a start.. And the fact of the matter it BEGINS with Israel because they for decades now control all the territories, control the policies, they control the military power, the international support.. Its a completely one sided conflict, yet people some how think its the Palestinians who are preventing any kind of solution from happening?

They control the West Bank.. Palestinians do not control squat.. In this conflict yes..

no. Control the policies? don't know what that means..

The Palestinians live by the Israeli policies not vice versa..

. Control the military power? Relative to the Palestinians obviously but not relative to the middle east.

Now you have no clue what your talking about.. Israel has held a military hegemon since the 1967 war where they rolled over three countries at once, three of the most powerful.. Furthermore they have nuclear weapons..

International support? You got to be kidding me. Do you even know what a UN resolution is?

Yes historically yes.. The zionist side has been supported by Great Britain during Mandates upwards to late 1940s.. US has supported them unquestioningly since the 1960s.. Palestinian population was finally recognized internationally during the 1990s.. Thats right before that they weren't even RECOGNIZED.. Flash forward to now, the US.. The number 1 super power of the world supports Israel with out question and vetoes all sanctions put forward to be placed on Israel.. Sorry thats international support compared to Palestine which the closest thing they have is being used as a banner by weak Arab states for Arab nationalism.

There is a, now defunct, UN resolution pretty much saying Israel's very existence is racism :?

There is alot of ridiculous things that start int he UN, bu tthey all end at teh UN when the US enforces its veto power to protect Israel.

And I can assure you all these are against Israel.

Cow4ever

Cow4ever thank you for posting the completely irrelevent and pointless graph.. You forgot to point out that there are 5 perma members of UN security council with the power to veto anything.. The US is one of them, and they have shielded them against everything. And in the end of the day the minor members you listed mean nothing, the UN has always been controlled by the big 5 ALWAYS.

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Would you deny then, that the modern United Kingdom or Denmark are democracies?

worlock77

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Its numerous things, there is no single solution its a start.. And the fact of the matter it BEGINS with Israel because they for decades now control all the territories, control the policies, they control the military power, the international support.. Its a completely one sided conflict, yet people some how think its the Palestinians who are preventing any kind of solution from happening?

sSubZerOo

They control the West Bank.. Palestinians do not control squat.. In this conflict yes..

Palestinians control Gaza and parts of West Bank. Yes Israel controls the most but don't distort facts.

The Palestinians live by the Israeli policies not vice versa..

But that's just the same point as the first. If you control a territory the inhabitants of the territory will live by those policies no?

Now you have no clue what your talking about.. Israel has held a military hegemon since the 1967 war where they rolled over three countries at once, three of the most powerful.. Furthermore they have nuclear weapons..

That was 40 years ago. Egypt alone has more troops than Israel, Saudi has top notch weapons and spend alot of their budget on military. And that's only 2 countries. Imagine 30+ more of these countries. And Turkey got NATO nukes deplyed in their territory.

Yes historically yes.. The zionist side has been supported by Great Britain during Mandates upwards to late 1940s.. US has supported them unquestioningly since the 1960s.. Palestinian population was finally recognized internationally during the 1990s.. Thats right before that they weren't even RECOGNIZED.. Flash forward to now, the US.. The number 1 super power of the world supports Israel with out question and vetoes all sanctions put forward to be placed on Israel.. Sorry thats international support compared to Palestine which the closest thing they have is being used as a banner by weak Arab states for Arab nationalism.

You even know what the white papers is? And US supported them unquestionable? Why then are there at least 224 UNSC resolutions concerning Israel and most of them condemning Israel?

There is alot of ridiculous things that start int he UN, bu tthey all end at teh UN when the US enforces its veto power to protect Israel.

Same applies here.