Obama's Blackshirts Raid Legal Marijuana Dispensaries in Washington State

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The possession of up to one ounce of marijuana was legalized in Washington State last year in response to voters' approval of "Intiative 502".

But that didn't stop Federal agents from raiding several Seattle-area dispensaries yesterday, including ones that provide medical marijuana.

The raids were reportedly effected with guns drawn and entailed seizure of business records and merchandise. :(

Feds raid medical marijuana dispensaries in Washington state---where possession is legal

By M. Alex Johnson, Staff Writer, NBC News

Federal agents raided several medical marijuana dispensaries Wednesday in Washington---a state which just decriminalized the drug last year.

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's Seattle office confirmed in a brief statement that "several search warrants were executed today involving marijuana storefronts" in the Puget Sound region around Seattle.

It gave no further details, and the number of raids remained unclear Wednesday evening.

One of the dispensaries was the Bayside Collective in Olympia, the state capital, where seven government vehicles converged Wednesday morning.

Agents with guns drawn seized business records and about $2,500 worth of marijuana intended for cancer patients, Casey Lee, who works at the clinic, told NBC station KING of Seattle.

"It's humiliating," Lee said. "They don't get to see the cancer patients."

Washington was one of the first states to legalize possession of up to an ounce of marijuana last year. But it remains illegal under federal law, and Lee claimed one of the agents told him, "Things are going to be hell for you."

"One of the DEA agents said: 'This is your second raid and your third robbery. Why do you keep doing this?'" Lee said.

"I just told him it's because we just enjoy helping people, and he told us that he wasn't expecting that answer."

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#2 whipassmt
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It's still against federal law. Also I don't think Obama was personally involved in this, I'm pretty sure he doesn't personally sign off on drug raids.

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#3 DaBrainz
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Imagine if these agents were used for good instead of evil. This ties up a lot of resources.
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#4 Diablo-B
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Im pretty sure, (but not positive) that $2,500 worth of marijuana more then the legal ounce limit.
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law enforcement is shytting themselves.

that pot enforcement money is going to dry up and then they will have to go after the meth guys to justify their funding.

ask yourself who would you rather have to go after and you will see why they are going to freak out about losing pot enforcement and having to go after the rest of the drug guys.

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#6 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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Yes, President Obama is personally involved in EVERY SINGLE act of the Federal government. FFS people get a grip. Blame the Feds if you want, but don't keep invoking the President every time. It's really petty, like him or hate him.

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#7 ad1x2
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Regardless of whether you agree with it or not, Federal law still says pot is illegal. Personally I don't think we should be using resources going after weed but the feds still have the legal right to do so. Maybe some of the people who want it legal across the US need to pool their resources to send a team of lawyers to Washington to challenge the laws instead of simply complaining on the net.
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#8 cain006
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It's not legal because marijuana is still illegal federally. The federal government just chooses to not enforce it generally in states where it's legalized.

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#9 lowkey254
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"Blackshirts" have been around far longer than Obama has been in office.

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Yes, President Obama is personally involved in EVERY SINGLE act of the Federal government. FFS people get a grip. Blame the Feds if you want, but don't keep invoking the President every time. It's really petty, like him or hate him.

jimkabrhel

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he doesn't personally authorize drug raids, that happens at a much lower level. I guess Obama could issue an executive order barring Dept. of Justice from enforcing federal anti-drug laws against Marijuana in states where certain marijuana possession is legal, but that would be controversial and perhaps ambiguous and maybe it could be misinterpreted in a way that would interfere with the Fed gov's ability to go after larger marijuana producers, distributors and dealers.

As it is, I think the DEA and FBI mostly go after traffickers and distributors and not small time users which is the left for the state and local authorities to deal with.

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I've heard that generally the DEA left WA state dispensaries alone as long as they followed the laws to the T, if there were one minor violation to the law then they wouldn't hesitate to raid the places.
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What a fvcking joke. Fvck the DEA. Pieces of shit.
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I've heard that generally the DEA left WA state dispensaries alone as long as they followed the laws to the T, if there were one minor violation to the law then they wouldn't hesitate to raid the places.lamprey263
Maybe. I wonder if local DEA supervisors can raid when they want, as long as they get a warrant or if they have to get approval from higher up. I imagine these decisions are probably made locally, though maybe because the state allows some marijuana raids in these states may be more high profile and may require some higher approval.

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you realize that marijuana is still a federal crime?

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What a fvcking joke. Fvck the DEA. Pieces of shit. Rich3232
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#16 chaplainDMK
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Should have been "initiative 420" Also I really doubt Obama personally insisted they raid them. As far as I remember, he actually was a bit of a stoner when he was young.
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you realize that marijuana is still a federal crime?

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So why even make state laws if federal laws would just override them?
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

you realize that marijuana is still a federal crime?

chrisrooR

So why even make state laws if federal laws would just override them?

So private citizens can possess and use marijuana legally without fear of being arrested by state authorities?

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Shouldnt state law and federal law agree on the same things? Its so stupid to have pot be legal but not legal.
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Shouldnt state law and federal law agree on the same things? Its so stupid to have pot be legal but not legal.Capitan_Kid
Despite the fact that a majority now want legalized recreational cannabis, Congress refuses to even sit down and acknowledge the topic. Pathetic......
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Shouldnt state law and federal law agree on the same things? Its so stupid to have pot be legal but not legal.Capitan_Kid

no, their laws are decided by different people

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Yep the two laws are in direct opposition to each other. States cant look at the federal law and be like "LOL Nope!" even though that is exactly what happened. For the record we should legalize weed, but just like any state law it does not supercede federal law.

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[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Shouldnt state law and federal law agree on the same things? Its so stupid to have pot be legal but not legal.Rich3232
Despite the fact that a majority now want legalized recreational cannabis, Congress refuses to even sit down and acknowledge the topic. Pathetic......

Does the majority want that? Also I think most states still ban cannabis.

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i live in Washingotn State (hooray for me) and this doesnt worry me at all. Its all a show. Its not making even the slightest dent in the overall state sales and use of marijuana. Obama/feds have to take at least some action periodically so that they look they are fighting the good fight and trying to stop washington state. thats all~

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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]I've heard that generally the DEA left WA state dispensaries alone as long as they followed the laws to the T, if there were one minor violation to the law then they wouldn't hesitate to raid the places.whipassmt

Maybe. I wonder if local DEA supervisors can raid when they want, as long as they get a warrant or if they have to get approval from higher up. I imagine these decisions are probably made locally, though maybe because the state allows some marijuana raids in these states may be more high profile and may require some higher approval.

Not sure about the chain of command, but from previous issues with the DEA I heard the DEA had given some stores some warnings like claiming the store violates a required distance between schools and playgrounds and required them to move shop to a new location, but they'd warn them they took notice and gave them time to react. And from other raids in the past when people thought they were arbitrarily just deciding to raid it for no good reason there was actually some reason, like the people who worked their were selling their stuff illegally on the side and weren't doing everything to code. Though I'm not sure that's why what happened happened, just know that the DEA claimed they wouldn't enforce their authority as long as dispensaries followed the state law. Then again, there could have been political issues at play here, not red/blue political issues but federal funding issues. Maybe they needed their numbers on arrests or seizures up. Maybe they needed the raided funds for their general slush fund. Or maybe there were crooked DEA agents that wanted to pocket some of the score. Who knows.
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]I've heard that generally the DEA left WA state dispensaries alone as long as they followed the laws to the T, if there were one minor violation to the law then they wouldn't hesitate to raid the places.lamprey263

Maybe. I wonder if local DEA supervisors can raid when they want, as long as they get a warrant or if they have to get approval from higher up. I imagine these decisions are probably made locally, though maybe because the state allows some marijuana raids in these states may be more high profile and may require some higher approval.

Not sure about the chain of command, but from previous issues with the DEA I heard the DEA had given some stores some warnings like claiming the store violates a required distance between schools and playgrounds and required them to move shop to a new location, but they'd warn them they took notice and gave them time to react. And from other raids in the past when people thought they were arbitrarily just deciding to raid it for no good reason there was actually some reason, like the people who worked their were selling their stuff illegally on the side and weren't doing everything to code. Though I'm not sure that's why what happened happened, just know that the DEA claimed they wouldn't enforce their authority as long as dispensaries followed the state law. Then again, there could have been political issues at play here, not red/blue political issues but federal funding issues. Maybe they needed their numbers on arrests or seizures up. Maybe they needed the raided funds for their general slush fund. Or maybe there were crooked DEA agents that wanted to pocket some of the score. Who knows.

Or perhaps they decided to enforce federal law to show that it is still the law or maybe to assert their authority over the state, or maybe the dispensary did violate the state code (though even if it was in compliance it still is violating federal law). I guess there are a lot of potential reasons. I guess the agents or their supervisors might know.

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Maybe they needed the raided funds for their general slush fund. Or maybe there were crooked DEA agents that wanted to pocket some of the score. Who knows.lamprey263

 

well washignton state kind of came up with a way so that the feds couldnt get their hands on much money/revenue from these raids. The Dispensaries here have to deposit all their income but most importantly their state share of the revenue into a state owned account at the end of every day. That way the feds cant seize much money. the feds cant go after the state account~

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It's still against federal law. Also I don't think Obama was personally involved in this, I'm pretty sure he doesn't personally sign off on drug raids.

whipassmt
Liberals love giving feds more power and argue against state rights. Ohh well, you reap what you saw.
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Shouldnt state law and federal law agree on the same things? Its so stupid to have pot be legal but not legal.whipassmt

Despite the fact that a majority now want legalized recreational cannabis, Congress refuses to even sit down and acknowledge the topic. Pathetic......

Does the majority want that? Also I think most states still ban cannabis.

http://rt.com/usa/legalized-marijuana-want-americans-356/
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Yes, President Obama is personally involved in EVERY SINGLE act of the Federal government. FFS people get a grip. Blame the Feds if you want, but don't keep invoking the President every time. It's really petty, like him or hate him.

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What a fvcking joke. Fvck the DEA. Pieces of shit. Rich3232
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] Despite the fact that a majority now want legalized recreational cannabis, Congress refuses to even sit down and acknowledge the topic. Pathetic......Rich3232

Does the majority want that? Also I think most states still ban cannabis.

http://rt.com/usa/legalized-marijuana-want-americans-356/

I see. I knew young people tended to be more in favor of this than their elders and that support seems to be growing. I did not think it had gotten that far though. Of course polls have their errors.

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

It's still against federal law. Also I don't think Obama was personally involved in this, I'm pretty sure he doesn't personally sign off on drug raids.

DevilMightCry

Liberals love giving feds more power and argue against state rights. Ohh well, you reap what you saw.

wood?

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[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]

It's still against federal law. Also I don't think Obama was personally involved in this, I'm pretty sure he doesn't personally sign off on drug raids.

lostrib

Liberals love giving feds more power and argue against state rights. Ohh well, you reap what you saw.

wood?

you wiseguy you.

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Liberals love giving feds more power and argue against state rights. Ohh well, you reap what you saw. whipassmt

wood?

you wiseguy you.

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

It's still against federal law. Also I don't think Obama was personally involved in this, I'm pretty sure he doesn't personally sign off on drug raids.

DevilMightCry

Liberals love giving feds more power and argue against state rights. Ohh well, you reap what you saw.

If conservatives generally defend states' rights, shouldn't they be supporting the marijuana dispensaries in this case? :P

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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Does the majority want that? Also I think most states still ban cannabis.

whipassmt

http://rt.com/usa/legalized-marijuana-want-americans-356/

I see. I knew young people tended to be more in favor of this than their elders and that support seems to be growing. I did not think it had gotten that far though. Of course polls have their errors.

Ofc they do, but the general trend thus far is that more and more Americans (particularly young ones) support legalized cannabis for recreational use. However, Congress refuses to acknowledge this trend and reform the laws as needed/desired.
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Does the majority want that? Also I think most states still ban cannabis.

whipassmt

http://rt.com/usa/legalized-marijuana-want-americans-356/

I see. I knew young people tended to be more in favor of this than their elders and that support seems to be growing. I did not think it had gotten that far though. Of course polls have their errors.

i always thought support was pretty spread out among the population.

hell, baby boomers smoked as much pot as any generation in the last 100 years and they are in their 60s and 70s now.

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] http://rt.com/usa/legalized-marijuana-want-americans-356/Rich3232

I see. I knew young people tended to be more in favor of this than their elders and that support seems to be growing. I did not think it had gotten that far though. Of course polls have their errors.

Ofc they do, but the general trend thus far is that more and more Americans (particularly young ones) support legalized cannabis for recreational use. However, Congress refuses to acknowledge this trend and reform the laws as needed/desired.

but then again the polls show a small majority of about 50 to 52 percent. Now if the majority was overwhelming, say 70%, then Congress would be more likely to make some changes to the law.

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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] I see. I knew young people tended to be more in favor of this than their elders and that support seems to be growing. I did not think it had gotten that far though. Of course polls have their errors.

whipassmt

Ofc they do, but the general trend thus far is that more and more Americans (particularly young ones) support legalized cannabis for recreational use. However, Congress refuses to acknowledge this trend and reform the laws as needed/desired.

but then again the polls show a small majority of about 50 to 52 percent. Now if the majority was overwhelming, say 70%, then Congress would be more likely to make some changes to the law.

Ehhhhh, it will rapidly reach that number(it already has among the younger groups) once the baby boomers really start to die off.
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[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]

It's still against federal law. Also I don't think Obama was personally involved in this, I'm pretty sure he doesn't personally sign off on drug raids.

Stesilaus

Liberals love giving feds more power and argue against state rights. Ohh well, you reap what you saw.

If conservatives generally defend states' rights, shouldn't they be supporting the marijuana dispensaries in this case? :P

If I was a state legislator I would definitely sponsor the right of the state to enforce the will of the people unless they infringe on someone else's right. People of WA have voted and they should be allowed to operate these legal marijuana shops. The federal government has no business regulating legal activities, or a lot of things for that matter. And yes, I am a registered Republican.
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Regardless of whether you agree with it or not, Federal law still says pot is illegal. Personally I don't think we should be using resources going after weed but the feds still have the legal right to do so. Maybe some of the people who want it legal across the US need to pool their resources to send a team of lawyers to Washington to challenge the laws instead of simply complaining on the net.ad1x2
Gonna be hard to present an argument when the medication is called "Alien Kush". Regardless it won't work; Marijuana is a class 1 controlled substance - we'll see the decriminalization of basic prescription pills first.
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Rich3232"] Ofc they do, but the general trend thus far is that more and more Americans (particularly young ones) support legalized cannabis for recreational use. However, Congress refuses to acknowledge this trend and reform the laws as needed/desired. Rich3232

but then again the polls show a small majority of about 50 to 52 percent. Now if the majority was overwhelming, say 70%, then Congress would be more likely to make some changes to the law.

Ehhhhh, it will rapidly reach that number(it already has among the younger groups) once the baby boomers really start to die off.

It'll take a few decades. After that, the alphabet soup will have to find other things to do as eventually the majority gets it way.

Also, unrelated, I realized at work one day that alphabet is "alpha" and the first three letters of "beta."

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At least they left the Cheetos.

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This is one case where the Federal goverment has to shut it down and let the state's right rule. I don't agree with that in every case, but I'm pro-legalization, and I think that Congress should just be proactive and legalizie it before we get legal showdowns in every state where it's legal.

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[QUOTE="ad1x2"]Regardless of whether you agree with it or not, Federal law still says pot is illegal. Personally I don't think we should be using resources going after weed but the feds still have the legal right to do so. Maybe some of the people who want it legal across the US need to pool their resources to send a team of lawyers to Washington to challenge the laws instead of simply complaining on the net.Fightingfan
Gonna be hard to present an argument when the medication is called "Alien Kush". Regardless it won't work; Marijuana is a class 1 controlled substance - we'll see the decriminalization of basic prescription pills first.

I've said the exact same thing. If people really want a chance at legalization though, the culture needs to back away from the juvenile slang. Especially with so called medical strains. I mean should something called Killa Krip Kush or OG Michael Phelps really be marketed to a glaucoma patient? And after it was legalized for medical use here in michigan, almost all marketing was aimed towards recreational purposes and not medical. And because so many dispenseries and so called care givers abused the system, those places are now illegal.
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#46 foxhound_fox
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Yay for big government! Protecting us and our morals!
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[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Shouldnt state law and federal law agree on the same things? Its so stupid to have pot be legal but not legal.Rich3232
Despite the fact that a majority now want legalized recreational cannabis, Congress refuses to even sit down and acknowledge the topic. Pathetic......

We have much bigger issues in this country than pot, but unfortunately congress doesn't want to do anything about those either. :P 90% of their time is wasted on political bickering.
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="ad1x2"]Regardless of whether you agree with it or not, Federal law still says pot is illegal. Personally I don't think we should be using resources going after weed but the feds still have the legal right to do so. Maybe some of the people who want it legal across the US need to pool their resources to send a team of lawyers to Washington to challenge the laws instead of simply complaining on the net.Murderstyle75
Gonna be hard to present an argument when the medication is called "Alien Kush". Regardless it won't work; Marijuana is a class 1 controlled substance - we'll see the decriminalization of basic prescription pills first.

I've said the exact same thing. If people really want a chance at legalization though, the culture needs to back away from the juvenile slang. Especially with so called medical strains. I mean should something called Killa Krip Kush or OG Michael Phelps really be marketed to a glaucoma patient? And after it was legalized for medical use here in michigan, almost all marketing was aimed towards recreational purposes and not medical. And because so many dispenseries and so called care givers abused the system, those places are now illegal.

I think blue dream is a nice cannabis name.. an awesome strain at that :).. Shouldn't even be getting legalized megically.. Should be legal period.

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#49 The_Lipscomb
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Shouldnt state law and federal law agree on the same things? Its so stupid to have pot be legal but not legal.Toxic-Seahorse
Despite the fact that a majority now want legalized recreational cannabis, Congress refuses to even sit down and acknowledge the topic. Pathetic......

We have much bigger issues in this country than pot, but unfortunately congress doesn't want to do anything about those either. :P 90% of their time is wasted on political bickering.

Honestly, at this point.. I'd rather have legal weed than the majority of other issues.. Shit is screwed up and will stayed screwed up for a long time.. So let's have some fun.. Lets get these drugs legalized.
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and what was accomplished for society with this?