Occupy wallstreet / global revolution thoughts? Just saw a bunch of arrests.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

I don't think most people comprehend how evil and disgusting the banks are. A lot of people are learning about it now because of the financial crisis they created, but this is going back centuries; that banks have just screwed people over and over again. Banks haven't started being *** in the last couple of decades, it's a long line of criminal activity and immorality.

Even right at the beginning, when the first banks were created, they were responsible for horrendous fraud that destroyed people's life savings. Banking itself is essentially a legalized form of fraud, if any of us tried to do what bankers do on a daily basis; we'd serve a long jail sentence.

In the 1980s, the last time the bankers blew up the system with their activity; and had to get a bailout. One thousand bankers went to jail. How many bankers have gone to jail today? That's right, they're getting better at conning the system.

Now, now the banks don't even need us. They cannot make loans without deposits, but thanks to today's artificially low interest rates; they can acquire unlimited interest free money from the Fed. So why do they need you? Why do they need businesses? They can get all the money heroin they want, and then gamble with it on the world stock exchange, the gambling economy. They keep the profits for themselves, socializing any losses they make to the taxpayer; by selling bad assets to the Fed.

They don't care if things are bad for you, it's a traders paradise out there, regardless of what happens to the world economy. In fact they want things to get worse, they dream of recessions, because there is so much money to be made from your suffering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA

Victorious_Fize

Also, the Federal Reserve has been intentionally inflating the American money supply for some time now (300 billion stimulus less than a year ago, not to mention the multiple injections of cash flow in 2008). This has allowed powerful American based international banks such as BOA, Sachs, Citi, B&F to have even more leveraging power over the American population because so many NEED loans/credit to buy anything at all because the price of the dollar is so devalued. In fact, in the government truely support the American populace Bernanke would probably be tried for treason by now.

Andrew Jackson succeeded in ending the Federal Reserve and it's support of corrupt private banks a century ago, but now they have more power than any government on the face of the planet.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Not even an approximation of what he said but if it makes you feel better you can keep going on like that. After all addressing what someone actually said is pretty hard sometimes. Nah it's way better to just twist what they say into something completely inaccurate to what they mean. kuraimen

This poster hates profit (or thinks he does). This isn't the first thread I've seen him say things about profit. But go ahead, continue on like that. Don't address the point I was trying to make. Don't try to understand why profit-motive is extremely important. Just keep saying "greed" enough and you'll win the argument.

From reading you're posts in numerous threads. It's pretty clear. You've stated many times you don't want a system based on profits.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

This poster hates profit (or thinks he does). This isn't the first thread I've seen him say things about profit. But go ahead, continue on like that. Don't address the point I was trying to make. Don't try to understand why profit-motive is extremely important. Just keep saying "greed" enough and you'll win the argument.

SpartanMSU

From reading you're posts in numerous threads. It's pretty clear. You've stated many times you don't want a system based on profits.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Where do you get that I hate profit? Reading comprehension FTW!surrealnumber5

From reading you're posts in numerous threads. It's pretty clear. You've stated many times you don't want a system based on profits.

Indeed he was. That's why I think he works for free, or at least only has just enough to survive. He doesn't want to profit from selling his services to his employer.

Where were these people when the republicans blocked the wall street bailout in 2008? I am guess that most of this crowd is liberal oriented and it's funny how fast people change their mind on such important issues. They should start by voting out the politician whom supported the bailout. Of the representatives that changed their vote from "no" to "yes" after the bailout failed, only two out of 58 were voted out in 2008. I guess it's better late than never to get mad.......

Where were these people when the republicans blocked the wall street bailout in 2008? I am guess that most of this crowd is liberal oriented and it's funny how fast people change their mind on such important issues. They should start by voting out the politician whom supported the bailout. Of the representatives that changed their vote from "no" to "yes" after the bailout failed, only two out of 58 were voted out in 2008. I guess it's better late than never to get mad.......

limpbizkit818

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]That "one guy" is a fat drama queen with no socially-redeeming qualities and an overblown sense of his own worth, who literally makes me want to puke every time I see his smug and flabby face. The fact that he hasn't been accidentally harpooned by Japanese whalers astounds me. I'm convinced that he's sitting in a luxury hotel watching this protest unfold while considering what he'll have for his second lunch and making sure the limo is fuelled (just in case another photo op presents itself).

In short... yes, his presence offends me. I'd sooner support bread mold than anything that joker is involved in.Mephers

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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

From reading you're posts in numerous threads. It's pretty clear. You've stated many times you don't want a system based on profits.

SpartanMSU

Indeed he was. That's why I think he works for free, or at least only has just enough to survive. He doesn't want to profit from selling his services to his employer.

Indeed he was. That's why I think he works for free, or at least only has just enough to survive. He doesn't want to profit from selling his services to his employer.

Essentially people are angry, but they don't know who to direct that anger against; and for what specific reason.

There is a lot of BS in the world to get angry about right now.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Indeed he was. That's why I think he works for free, or at least only has just enough to survive. He doesn't want to profit from selling his services to his employer.

Ninja-Hippo

I'm just going by what he has said in the past. So yes, I am going by what he has said. I don't think you've seen every post of his that I've read, have you?

Anyways, it was more of a statement towards everyone with the "profits are evil" sentiment. So I see it quite fitting in a thread like this.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Indeed he was. That's why I think he works for free, or at least only has just enough to survive. He doesn't want to profit from selling his services to his employer.

SpartanMSU

I'm just going by what he has said in the past. So yes, I am going by what he has said. I don't think you've seen every post of his that I've read, have you?

Anyways, it was more of a statement towards everyone with the "profits are evil" sentiment. So I see it quite fitting in a thread like this.

If I lived anywhere near NYC I would be right there with them in those protests. I really can't even stand to think about the current wealth gap and political situation in this country without becoming enraged. Glad to see that a lot of other people feel the same way and that others are starting to see how much the low and middle class have been exploited by the ultra-wealthy for the past 30 years.gameguy6700

30? Far longer than that!!!

I like a motto I saw "Unf*** the world" :)

Kind of pointless if you ask me. Now that corporations can donate unlimited money to political causes, plus the fact that government has always been in their pocket for special interests, it isn't going to do anything.

*Awaits the emerging mega corporations involved in Nanotechnology run by Bob Page and Versalife*

im calling this staged demonstrations ment to attract attention and to be sued as an excuse to tax the middle class more and destroy your economy further as a nation.

how do i think this.. people have protested in front of various federal reserve buildings for weeks on end and they NEVER got any attention by MSNBC or CNN or fox. and some of those had really famous faces behind them i think occupy wall street and the various supposed "likeminded" protests in other cities were at the minimum started fraudulently and have now snowballed into something bigger. is this what they expected in terms of size or scale.. unclear but its VERY clear that it was at least staged at first in the hops of blossoming into an excuse to make things worse on citizens of the middle and lower end upper class.

btw to further stress my point there is yet another protest against the fed happening down in texas this is ment as a mobile operation and it has plans to basically hit in a cyclical manner the federal reserve buildings of dallas, san antonio, and the third one whos location escapes me atm.

Kind of pointless if you ask me. Now that corporations can donate unlimited money to political causes, plus the fact that government has always been in their pocket for special interests, it isn't going to do anything.

*Awaits the emerging mega corporations involved in Nanotechnology run by Bob Page and Versalife*

HoolaHoopMan

They kinda can, but not really.. FECA and BCRA both prevent it.. Looking past popular belief, a company can not donate unlimited funds to a candidate legally..

im calling this staged demonstrations ment to attract attention and to be sued as an excuse to tax the middle class more and destroy your economy further as a nation.

how do i think this.. people have protested in front of various federal reserve buildings for weeks on end and they NEVER got any attention by MSNBC or CNN or fox. and some of those had really famous faces behind them i think occupy wall street and the various supposed "likeminded" protests in other cities were at the minimum started fraudulently and have now snowballed into something bigger. is this what they expected in terms of size or scale.. unclear but its VERY clear that it was at least staged at first in the hops of blossoming into an excuse to make things worse on citizens of the middle and lower end upper class.

btw to further stress my point there is yet another protest against the fed happening down in texas this is ment as a mobile operation and it has plans to basically hit in a cyclical manner the federal reserve buildings of dallas, san antonio, and the third one whos location escapes me atm.

ionusX

im calling this staged demonstrations ment to attract attention and to be sued as an excuse to tax the middle class more and destroy your economy further as a nation.

how do i think this.. people have protested in front of various federal reserve buildings for weeks on end and they NEVER got any attention by MSNBC or CNN or fox. and some of those had really famous faces behind them i think occupy wall street and the various supposed "likeminded" protests in other cities were at the minimum started fraudulently and have now snowballed into something bigger. is this what they expected in terms of size or scale.. unclear but its VERY clear that it was at least staged at first in the hops of blossoming into an excuse to make things worse on citizens of the middle and lower end upper class.

btw to further stress my point there is yet another protest against the fed happening down in texas this is ment as a mobile operation and it has plans to basically hit in a cyclical manner the federal reserve buildings of dallas, san antonio, and the third one whos location escapes me atm.

ionusX

im calling this staged demonstrations ment to attract attention and to be sued as an excuse to tax the middle class more and destroy your economy further as a nation.

how do i think this.. people have protested in front of various federal reserve buildings for weeks on end and they NEVER got any attention by MSNBC or CNN or fox. and some of those had really famous faces behind them i think occupy wall street and the various supposed "likeminded" protests in other cities were at the minimum started fraudulently and have now snowballed into something bigger. is this what they expected in terms of size or scale.. unclear but its VERY clear that it was at least staged at first in the hops of blossoming into an excuse to make things worse on citizens of the middle and lower end upper class.

btw to further stress my point there is yet another protest against the fed happening down in texas this is ment as a mobile operation and it has plans to basically hit in a cyclical manner the federal reserve buildings of dallas, san antonio, and the third one whos location escapes me atm.

ionusX

I live in Boston, and protests have been starting to materialize here.

I appreciate the protest against cronyism and lemon socialism, but the protesters are mostly filled with people in their 20s who don't seem have any direction or goals in life. They came together because they wanted to fulfill the lack of purpose they feel in their lives. It's not because of true economic hardship - people just want to become part of something greater than themselves. And Occupy Wall Street offers an avenue for that. For people to come together and be part of something "great", even if the movement has few coherent goals or demands.

That's my theory, anyway.

"Hey mom, I've been hard at work making cardboard signs and yelling at cops. Could you send me another couple hundred dollars for food and some weed. And - oh yeah . . down with capitalism."

"Hey mom, I've been hard at work making cardboard signs and yelling at cops. Could you send me another couple hundred dollars for food and some weed. And - oh yeah . . down with capitalism."

Born_Lucky

"Hey mom, I've been hard at work making cardboard signs and yelling at cops. Could you send me another couple hundred dollars for food and some weed. And - oh yeah . . down with capitalism."

Born_Lucky

[QUOTE="Born_Lucky"]

"Hey mom, I've been hard at work making cardboard signs and yelling at cops. Could you send me another couple hundred dollars for food and some weed. And - oh yeah . . down with capitalism."

cee1gee

[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="Born_Lucky"]

"Hey mom, I've been hard at work making cardboard signs and yelling at cops. Could you send me another couple hundred dollars for food and some weed. And - oh yeah . . down with capitalism."

Born_Lucky

[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="Born_Lucky"]

"Hey mom, I've been hard at work making cardboard signs and yelling at cops. Could you send me another couple hundred dollars for food and some weed. And - oh yeah . . down with capitalism."

Born_Lucky

See here is an outsider saying it is about time America. I wonder if other countries can pressure America to change? I doubt it.ehhwhatever

[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"] See here is an outsider saying it is about time America. I wonder if other countries can pressure America to change? I doubt it.LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"] See here is an outsider saying it is about time America. I wonder if other countries can pressure America to change? I doubt it.Ace6301

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

im calling this staged demonstrations ment to attract attention and to be sued as an excuse to tax the middle class more and destroy your economy further as a nation.

how do i think this.. people have protested in front of various federal reserve buildings for weeks on end and they NEVER got any attention by MSNBC or CNN or fox. and some of those had really famous faces behind them i think occupy wall street and the various supposed "likeminded" protests in other cities were at the minimum started fraudulently and have now snowballed into something bigger. is this what they expected in terms of size or scale.. unclear but its VERY clear that it was at least staged at first in the hops of blossoming into an excuse to make things worse on citizens of the middle and lower end upper class.

btw to further stress my point there is yet another protest against the fed happening down in texas this is ment as a mobile operation and it has plans to basically hit in a cyclical manner the federal reserve buildings of dallas, san antonio, and the third one whos location escapes me atm.

gameguy6700

they wish to re-elect obama and the taxes loopholes for folks making millions regularly. the taxes the movement is calling for and is being SUPPORTED by the democratic party as well as the SUPER rich (warren buffet or ben bernankye for example) and wall street itself. it taxes those that make 125k- 1million a YEAR the middle class and the upper middle class will suffer

the demand on their website: they want the obama admin + congress to pass the "warren buffet rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share". the problem is that the buffet tax rule was written up by the obama admin an administration bought n paid for by wall street. his election campaign featured several hundred k from goldman sachs and jp morgan his entire CABINET is basically former wall street big wigs or are CURRENT wall street bigwigs.

you mean to tell me that the obama administration wrote up a piece of tax legislation to tax themselves bwahahaha you gotta be silly.

in short its going to hyper tax those who are still "well off" in the US and those who basically run the show like the banks, like the NYSE, like pepsi, like ford will still walk around essentially tax free their looking at about a 1% tax hike while the everyday consumer with good sized pay checks will get taxed more.

im sorry but i cannot condone them. especially when their verbally abusing anyone who comes near trying to explain the real problem. this was done to smoke n mirror you into politically rallying for another ridiculous cause youve been given next to no information on in the first place.

the occupy wall street follow the tried and true holy trinity which the late eddie geurrero supported:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDeP45YMNUY

[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="Born_Lucky"]

"Hey mom, I've been hard at work making cardboard signs and yelling at cops. Could you send me another couple hundred dollars for food and some weed. And - oh yeah . . down with capitalism."

Born_Lucky

[QUOTE="Born_Lucky"]

"Hey mom, I've been hard at work making cardboard signs and yelling at cops. Could you send me another couple hundred dollars for food and some weed. And - oh yeah . . down with capitalism."

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Born_Lucky"]

"Hey mom, I've been hard at work making cardboard signs and yelling at cops. Could you send me another couple hundred dollars for food and some weed. And - oh yeah . . down with capitalism."

surrealnumber5

Yeah those who don't have jobs and have to provide for themselves wouldn't be sitting outside protesting, they would be trying to find a new job.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Has anyone seen the demands list? College students and alike on in these protests are even more brainwashed and stupid than I thought was possible...Just-Breathe

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

Ive been watching it for a while, had heard that cops were getting violent in arrests but never saw any proof. Until a bit ago was watching the globalrev livestream and cops started yanking people from the crowd throwing them to the ground n such. Im glad to see so many people finally taking action.

People are saying that this is reaching a tipping point, what do you think? how far do you see the protests going? was half tempted travel and join in.

Honestly hoping it gets bigger.

edit - and I notice its finally getting some media coverage on the TV. Welcome to the party. Youre two weeks late.

Mephers

I have seen the interviews, most of those people have no clue what they are angry about. Some people protest just for anarchy's sake. If they had a clue they would be in Washington DC where the real criminals are.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period. LMMFAOsurrealnumber5

Definitely a slander site...

[QUOTE="Just-Breathe"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]Has anyone seen the demands list? College students and alike on in these protests are even more brainwashed and stupid than I thought was possible...surrealnumber5

$20/hr? Are the F'ing serious?:lol:

They think THAT is going to create more jobs?:lol:

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period. LMMFAOVictorious_Fize

Definitely a slander site...

Good point surreal. That's the problem with a living wage is that it's hard to do so in a global market. You can't pay your workers 20$/hr plus big benefits when your global competitors can pay theirs 45 cents/hour. If you do, then the government would have to put huge tariffs on imported goods to even things out. But then the cost of everything would likely go up and that 20/hr wouldnt go very far. . . .

Good point surreal. That's the problem with a living wage is that it's hard to do so in a global market. You can't pay your workers 20$/hr plus big benefits when your global competitors can pay theirs 45 cents/hour. If you do, then the government would have to put huge tariffs on imported goods to even things out. But then the cost of everything would likely go up and that 20/hr wouldnt go very far. . . .

sonicare

It's not even just that. How are many small businesses going to afford paying $20/hr for unskilled labor?