Ok lets settle this for now Hip Hop IS Thuggish Genre

how is rap a genre? rap is a form of singing? hip-hop is a genre... you can have instrumental hip-hop. you could rap in rock music if you wanted.

[QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]

But IDK why I'm even bothering to argue with someone who doesn't even listen to hip-hop but is frontin' like they know something about the music. :lol:

fat_rob

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="scorch-62"]Rap =/= hip hop

/threadswizz-the-gamer

you do realize that's impossible right :|

In terms of music genres, it's quite possible. :| Hip hop music isn't anything like rap music.

Either way, they both suck and I don't listen to them.

you phail along with the TC

If having a different opinion than you = phail, then yes. That would be true. :roll:

if making an ignorant statment saying"rap and Hip Hop is garbage" then yes you do phail indeed

How is it ignorant? Tell me that.

If your basing your opinion of Soulja boy. That is an ignorant statement.

I hated rap and hop hop LONG before Soulja Boy. He just made it worse.

[QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]But IDK why I'm even bothering to argue with someone who doesn't even listen to hip-hop but is frontin' like they know something about the music. :lol: scorch-62

Whoever said that? Just because we think they both suck noodle doesn't mean we don't have any input on whether or not they're the same. My argument stands and no one's proven me wrong.

[QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]But IDK why I'm even bothering to argue with someone who doesn't even listen to hip-hop but is frontin' like they know something about the music. :lol: scorch-62

Whoever said that? Just because we think they both suck noodle doesn't mean we don't have any input on whether or not they're the same. My argument stands and no one's proven me wrong.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="NetYankEagle"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="scorch-62"]Rap =/= hip hop

/threadscorch-62

you do realize that's impossible right :|

In terms of music genres, it's quite possible. :| Hip hop music isn't anything like rap music.

Either way, they both suck and I don't listen to them.

you phail along with the TC

If having a different opinion than you = phail, then yes. That would be true. :roll:

if making an ignorant statment saying"rap and Hip Hop is garbage" then yes you do phail indeed

How is it ignorant? Tell me that.

If your basing your opinion of Soulja boy. That is an ignorant statement.

I hated rap and hop hop LONG before Soulja Boy. He just made it worse.

[QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]But IDK why I'm even bothering to argue with someone who doesn't even listen to hip-hop but is frontin' like they know something about the music. :lol: scorch-62

Whoever said that? Just because we think they both suck noodle doesn't mean we don't have any input on whether or not they're the same. My argument stands and no one's proven me wrong.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]But IDK why I'm even bothering to argue with someone who doesn't even listen to hip-hop but is frontin' like they know something about the music. :lol: LJS9502_basic

They obviously want to feel their opinion is justified/informed in saying "hip hop/rap sucks".

Whoever said that? Just because we think they both suck noodle doesn't mean we don't have any input on whether or not they're the same. My argument stands and no one's proven me wrong.

Actually your argument insulted an entire genre of music. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it sucks. It means you don't like it. There are plenty of good rap/hip hop artists out there that have something worthwhile to say and do so while entertaining.

So since I think they suck, I have no input? That's basically what you're saying.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]But IDK why I'm even bothering to argue with someone who doesn't even listen to hip-hop but is frontin' like they know something about the music. :lol: -Twilight-

They obviously want to feel their opinion is justified/informed in saying "hip hop/rap sucks".

Whoever said that? Just because we think they both suck noodle doesn't mean we don't have any input on whether or not they're the same. My argument stands and no one's proven me wrong.

You don't have to say it, you would've looked like a complete ass and been completely disregarded if you thought it sucked and never took time out to actually listen to a few songs and learn about the genre. I wouldn't go making threads like "death metal sucks", because I know next to nothing about it. The same way I don't say any music sucks I have no clue about.

I make sure I know what I'm hating before I hate it. I have listened to rap. I've tried to listen to it. I just can't. It makes my ears bleed.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]But IDK why I'm even bothering to argue with someone who doesn't even listen to hip-hop but is frontin' like they know something about the music. :lol: scorch-62

They obviously want to feel their opinion is justified/informed in saying "hip hop/rap sucks".

Whoever said that? Just because we think they both suck noodle doesn't mean we don't have any input on whether or not they're the same. My argument stands and no one's proven me wrong.

Actually your argument insulted an entire genre of music. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it sucks. It means you don't like it. There are plenty of good rap/hip hop artists out there that have something worthwhile to say and do so while entertaining.

So since I think they suck, I have no input? That's basically what you're saying.

You just dont know what you talking about, as most of the rap haters

[QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]But IDK why I'm even bothering to argue with someone who doesn't even listen to hip-hop but is frontin' like they know something about the music. :lol: scorch-62

They obviously want to feel their opinion is justified/informed in saying "hip hop/rap sucks".

Whoever said that? Just because we think they both suck noodle doesn't mean we don't have any input on whether or not they're the same. My argument stands and no one's proven me wrong.

You don't have to say it, you would've looked like a complete ass and been completely disregarded if you thought it sucked and never took time out to actually listen to a few songs and learn about the genre. I wouldn't go making threads like "death metal sucks", because I know next to nothing about it. The same way I don't say any music sucks I have no clue about.

I make sure I know what I'm hating before I hate it. I have listened to rap. I've tried to listen to it. I just can't. It makes my ears bleed.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]But IDK why I'm even bothering to argue with someone who doesn't even listen to hip-hop but is frontin' like they know something about the music. :lol: scorch-62

They obviously want to feel their opinion is justified/informed in saying "hip hop/rap sucks".

Whoever said that? Just because we think they both suck noodle doesn't mean we don't have any input on whether or not they're the same. My argument stands and no one's proven me wrong.

Actually your argument insulted an entire genre of music. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it sucks. It means you don't like it. There are plenty of good rap/hip hop artists out there that have something worthwhile to say and do so while entertaining.

So since I think they suck, I have no input? That's basically what you're saying.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]Hip Hop and Rap are based off of the same culture but under music genre's they are different things. No way would I call NWA hip hop artists and no way would I call Digital Underground rap artists.Sajedene

I'm not familiar with the genre's of country music but with rock, we have punk rock, hard rock, power rock, alternative, etc. AND YET, they all fall under ROCK. Its the same thing with this, we have hip hop, rap, gangsta rap, hi-fi (or however you spell it) and even r&b. I'm not even going to go into the pop category.

Rap and Hip Hop .

You are providing me Wikipedia links to the method and the culture.

How about this list - from the link you provided me. Yes, all under the hip hop culture BUT different genre's of music.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hip_hop_genres

You just proved his point, basically.

Hip hop is a whole stile and culture. Rap falls under the category of "Hip Hop Music". Then, there are sub genres of rap. Gangsta rap, bubble gum rap, christian rap, hardcore rap, bounce music, crunk, miami bass, etc.

Some rappers don't even know this though. On C-Murders song "Y'all heard of Me", he raps: "I spit that gangsta rap, forget that hip hop".

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]But IDK why I'm even bothering to argue with someone who doesn't even listen to hip-hop but is frontin' like they know something about the music. :lol: LJS9502_basic

They obviously want to feel their opinion is justified/informed in saying "hip hop/rap sucks".

Whoever said that? Just because we think they both suck noodle doesn't mean we don't have any input on whether or not they're the same. My argument stands and no one's proven me wrong.

Actually your argument insulted an entire genre of music. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it sucks. It means you don't like it. There are plenty of good rap/hip hop artists out there that have something worthwhile to say and do so while entertaining.

So since I think they suck, I have no input? That's basically what you're saying.

Generalizing entire genres of music is never good. If one does that then one tends to give the impression one doesn't know what they are talking about. And there is no way that talent doesn't vary in genres. What do you listen to then? I'm sure there are bad artists in said genre....but you'd argue against someone saying the entire genre sucks since there is some talent to be found.

Generalizing? I've listened to plenty of rap to know that I don't like the sound of it.

My favorite genre is rock and yes, there are some bad rock artists. I know not to listen to them because I don't like them.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]But IDK why I'm even bothering to argue with someone who doesn't even listen to hip-hop but is frontin' like they know something about the music. :lol: scorch-62

They obviously want to feel their opinion is justified/informed in saying "hip hop/rap sucks".

Whoever said that? Just because we think they both suck noodle doesn't mean we don't have any input on whether or not they're the same. My argument stands and no one's proven me wrong.

Actually your argument insulted an entire genre of music. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it sucks. It means you don't like it. There are plenty of good rap/hip hop artists out there that have something worthwhile to say and do so while entertaining.

So since I think they suck, I have no input? That's basically what you're saying.

Generalizing entire genres of music is never good. If one does that then one tends to give the impression one doesn't know what they are talking about. And there is no way that talent doesn't vary in genres. What do you listen to then? I'm sure there are bad artists in said genre....but you'd argue against someone saying the entire genre sucks since there is some talent to be found.

Generalizing? I've listened to plenty of rap to know that I don't like the sound of it.

My favorite genre is rock and yes, there are some bad rock artists. I know not to listen to them because I don't like them.

what this thread needs is more hip-hop/rap with no big egos or violent references :D

aesop rock - none shall pass

cannibal ox - scream phoneix

junk science - roads (looking at the video possibly a bad example, but sounds good anyway :D)

Person who made the thread is an idiot. You can't even make the case that all hip hop is "thuggish". Kanye is a big time thug....:roll:-Austin-

Person who made the thread is an idiot. You can't even make the case that all hip hop is "thuggish". Kanye is a big time thug....:roll:-Austin-

i could agree with him on the "about how they got rich", its hard to find rap (kanye included) where they aren't blowing there own trumpet. there are artist's out there but even then they seem to manage to say something about how there the best rapper ever

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]Person who made the thread is an idiot. You can't even make the case that all hip hop is "thuggish". Kanye is a big time thug....:roll:-Twilight-

nah man Hillary Duff is totally OG

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]Person who made the thread is an idiot. You can't even make the case that all hip hop is "thuggish". Kanye is a big time thug....:roll:-Twilight-

Honestly, every interior decorator is a thug in comparison to Hilary Duff.

If what you don't like about it is it talks about women, drugs, killing.etc all the time then you have not listened to enough of it. swizz-the-gamer

It's not that... the sound of it. Not very appealing to me.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]Person who made the thread is an idiot. You can't even make the case that all hip hop is "thuggish". Kanye is a big time thug....:roll:hip-hop-cola2

i could agree with him on the "about how they got rich", its hard to find rap (kanye included) where they aren't blowing there own trumpet. there are artist's out there but even then they seem to manage to say something about how there the best rapper ever

Your just showing off your own ignorance right now. I don't think I've ever heard Talib Kweli, Common, Atmosphere, The Roots or Nas "blow there own trumpet" and they are all very popular.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]If what you don't like about it is it talks about women, drugs, killing.etc all the time then you have not listened to enough of it. scorch-62

It's not that... the sound of it. Not very appealing to me.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]Person who made the thread is an idiot. You can't even make the case that all hip hop is "thuggish". Kanye is a big time thug....:roll:hip-hop-cola2

i could agree with him on the "about how they got rich", its hard to find rap (kanye included) where they aren't blowing there own trumpet. there are artist's out there but even then they seem to manage to say something about how there the best rapper ever

thats a lot of what rap is about though. It stems from rap battles. Look at a rapper like Big Daddy Kane as an example of this.. or even KRS One.. MC's Act like they don't know, Ain't No Half Steppin', etc.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]If what you don't like about it is it talks about women, drugs, killing.etc all the time then you have not listened to enough of it. scorch-62

It's not that... the sound of it. Not very appealing to me.

Then you must have no rythm. There is no music like rap that makes you just want to move to the beat no matter what you are doing. I mean, I like rock music, it sounds good and all.. but there is no music like rap where you hear a new , really tight beat that makes you want to move.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]If what you don't like about it is it talks about women, drugs, killing.etc all the time then you have not listened to enough of it. The_Mac_Daddy

It's not that... the sound of it. Not very appealing to me.

Then you must have no rythm. There is no music like rap that makes you just want to move to the beat no matter what you are doing. I mean, I like rock music, it sounds good and all.. but there is no music like rap where you hear a new , really tight beat that makes you want to move.

Exactly, hiphop/rap is the music you cant help but dance to.

[QUOTE="hip-hop-cola2"]

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]Person who made the thread is an idiot. You can't even make the case that all hip hop is "thuggish". Kanye is a big time thug....:roll:-Austin-

i could agree with him on the "about how they got rich", its hard to find rap (kanye included) where they aren't blowing there own trumpet. there are artist's out there but even then they seem to manage to say something about how there the best rapper ever

Your just showing off your own ignorance right now. I don't think I've ever heard Talib Kweli, Common, Atmosphere, The Roots or Nas "blow there own trumpet" and they are all very popular.

sorry most of my music if from one label so i miss a lot of rap, but i just searched a few lyrics in "big girl" by nas where he talks about seducing a girl, the roots "clones", the second verse is all about how there better rappers than "super star nwords".

i think my point still stands, but all that music that i just listend to was great.

[QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]Hip Hop and Rap are based off of the same culture but under music genre's they are different things. No way would I call NWA hip hop artists and no way would I call Digital Underground rap artists.Sajedene

I'm not familiar with the genre's of country music but with rock, we have punk rock, hard rock, power rock, alternative, etc. AND YET, they all fall under ROCK. Its the same thing with this, we have hip hop, rap, gangsta rap, hi-fi (or however you spell it) and even r&b. I'm not even going to go into the pop category.

How in the hell do you have hip-hop without rap?

This is what is confusing about the genre. Hip hop is the name of the culture and is also a genre of the culture. Rap is the action as to how most of (but not all of) the music is typically performed but then again is also a genre within that culture. Kenye raps but does not fall under Gangsta rap. Pharcyde raps and sings but are more under the hip hop genre. Nelly raps and is under the Southern Rap. Then we have Souja boy and god knows where he falls under but its not gangsta and its not hip hop.

Teh ignorance is strong with this one.

regardless of what category it falls under rap isnt MUSIC...they dotn sing or play an instrument....atleast in MOST cases..ArmoredAshes

so all techno, dance, and house music isn't music either, and about 50% of rock where they add "non-music" in isn't actually music

regardless of what category it falls under rap isnt MUSIC...they dotn sing or play an instrument....atleast in MOST cases..ArmoredAshes

Who cares if they sing? There doesn't need to be a "singer" for a song to be music. Beethoven never sung. His songs never had a singer. The producer or DJ is the one that plays the instrument. Ever seen rappers perform on jay leno or a late night show? They have a band with them... yes, playing their song.

You are really ignorant if you think rap is not music.

regardless of what category it falls under rap isnt MUSIC...they dotn sing or play an instrument....atleast in MOST cases..ArmoredAshes

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]If what you don't like about it is it talks about women, drugs, killing.etc all the time then you have not listened to enough of it. swizz-the-gamer

It's not that... the sound of it. Not very appealing to me.

Then say that. Not the entire genre is trash or whatever you said.

But it IS the whole genre...

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]If what you don't like about it is it talks about women, drugs, killing.etc all the time then you have not listened to enough of it. The_Mac_Daddy

It's not that... the sound of it. Not very appealing to me.

Then you must have no rythm. There is no music like rap that makes you just want to move to the beat no matter what you are doing. I mean, I like rock music, it sounds good and all.. but there is no music like rap where you hear a new , really tight beat that makes you want to move.

I don't like rap so I don't have rythm... That's new to me... :roll:

[QUOTE="ArmoredAshes"]regardless of what category it falls under rap isnt MUSIC...they dotn sing or play an instrument....atleast in MOST cases..NetYankEagle

I love me some Roots.

Dont even try to discuss this , its a fact.

Rappers sing about how they shot one man down, how they got rich , how they are working out theyre bicep to impress ladies, how they roll with theyre cars, how off the hook theyre lyrics are , how thuggish they feel like , how much woman they banged in last decade, what chains and whats theyre worth theyre wearing , how they miss theyre girlfriends and at the same time saying they would bang them in all different holes , how they would or could smash some other guy in two pieces ( never seen rappers actually getting in a serious fight , all we see is bullets and guns )

How can rap be called culture? its a paradox . They dont make songs - its more of a thuggish myspace profile texts theyre trying to rap about .

Fele7

[QUOTE="hip-hop-cola2"]

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]Person who made the thread is an idiot. You can't even make the case that all hip hop is "thuggish". Kanye is a big time thug....:roll:-Austin-

i could agree with him on the "about how they got rich", its hard to find rap (kanye included) where they aren't blowing there own trumpet. there are artist's out there but even then they seem to manage to say something about how there the best rapper ever

Your just showing off your own ignorance right now. I don't think I've ever heard Talib Kweli, Common, Atmosphere, The Roots or Nas "blow there own trumpet" and they are all very popular.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="hip-hop-cola2"]

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]Person who made the thread is an idiot. You can't even make the case that all hip hop is "thuggish". Kanye is a big time thug....:roll:MORBID98

i could agree with him on the "about how they got rich", its hard to find rap (kanye included) where they aren't blowing there own trumpet. there are artist's out there but even then they seem to manage to say something about how there the best rapper ever

Your just showing off your own ignorance right now. I don't think I've ever heard Talib Kweli, Common, Atmosphere, The Roots or Nas "blow there own trumpet" and they are all very popular.

Let's put that to the test. You're making the claim, so prove it. You say it's one song out of thousands, prove it.

You all need to chill out. Here, try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7RLPXE0JUc&feature=related

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="hip-hop-cola2"]

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]Person who made the thread is an idiot. You can't even make the case that all hip hop is "thuggish". Kanye is a big time thug....:roll:MORBID98

i could agree with him on the "about how they got rich", its hard to find rap (kanye included) where they aren't blowing there own trumpet. there are artist's out there but even then they seem to manage to say something about how there the best rapper ever

Your just showing off your own ignorance right now. I don't think I've ever heard Talib Kweli, Common, Atmosphere, The Roots or Nas "blow there own trumpet" and they are all very popular.

95%?

Really?

Just because its all you hear on the radio doesn't mean thats all there is to it.

Theres alot more rap thats not about the gansta life style than you seem to think. You just dont hear about it because its not what most people who listen to rap feel like hearing. They want to hear what they can relate too and sadly that is the gansta life style.

Though I do agree that its a low standard of music, I have respect for it as art.