ok...the "jena 6" situation.

ok,so if you hadnt heard,in lousiana,there is this oak tree,by this oak tree,white kids hang out,and for some reason,ONLY white kids.some black people started hanging out over there,and they were told to leave.they had the right to be there,and they didnt leave.the next day,3 white kids hung nooses(sp?)up in the tree.it was known who the white kids were,but they didnt get any charges droped.so,in retaliation,6 black people beat up a white kid(either he was a person who hung a noose,or just a person who was yelling racist slurs).they where charged tho,now a racial rights march/movement w/e u want to call it is being taken place in lousiana.

my thoughts:

first of all,no one was right here.no one made the right choices.but,on one side i have to say,6 black people causing violence to one white kid,when techinically the white kid didnt cause any harm,is messed up.While the white kids hanging up nooses in a tree is obviously a racial "threat", they never actually hurt the black kids or did anything except discriminate, which happens every day. This doesn't make it right, but at least there was no serious violence involved.
Now, maybe there was something else that happened that I didn't hear about. If so, let me know. But 6 kids ganging up on 1 kid and beating the snoz out of him doesn't measure up to hanging nooses up in a tree. That's bull.But how in the world can people be protesting to have the charges against the 6 kids dropped after they attacked 1 person?if anything,the white kids,AND the black kids should both be charged.

on the other hand,the thing is,i can understand why they did it,hanging nooses along a tree causes as much harm as getting beat up does.it may not be physical harm,but its the fact that they know theyre hated,not welcome,ect.that causes mental hurt,wich has much more longterm affects,plus,i dont think the people are protesting for 6 black people not being able to beat up 1 white guy,its the thing that the black kids got in trouble,while the white kids got off.still is no reason for anyone to harm anyone anyway.better communication skills are what this country needs more than anything.

shed some light,please.

I agree no one was right, but the school could have done more and I heard the trial was unfair.leegar88

[QUOTE="Mrs_Sesshomaru"]Heres a link from my local news(Louisiana) http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/9893897.html[/QUOTE]

Go saints

[QUOTE="Mrs_Sesshomaru"]Heres a link from my local news(Louisiana) http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/9893897.html[/QUOTE]

Go saints

leegar88

I'm having such a hard time not lauging at some of the comments made by people who travelled to Jena.

JoAnn Scales, who brought her three teenage children on a two-day bus journey from Los Angeles, California, to Jena, made the same point.

"The reason I brought my children is because it could have been one of them" involved in an incident like the one in Jena.

"If this can happen to them [the Jena 6] , it can happen to anyone," Scales said.CNN

Sure your kids could be charged with aggravated assault: if they freakin' assaulted someone!

The truth is that all parties involved are at fault. The white teens should have received harsher punishments, but to be perfectly honest, I doubt that would have prevented the Jena 6 from beating that guy. So yeah, they really deserve to be punished.

Attention Louisiana guy: have the other 5 gone free without consequence? :? It sound like it in the article.

The blacks should not have resorted to violance, plain and simple. Sure the white kid was a jackass, but there were other ways. But I don't think they should get any major jailtime for it. Attempted murder? If they tried to murder the kid, he wouldn't have been able to attend school later on. :|

I'm having such a hard time not lauging at some of the comments made by people who travelled to Jena.

[Quote="CNN"]

JoAnn Scales, who brought her three teenage children on a two-day bus journey from Los Angeles, California, to Jena, made the same point.

"The reason I brought my children is because it could have been one of them" involved in an incident like the one in Jena.

"If this can happen to them [the Jena 6] , it can happen to anyone," Scales said.Vyse_The_Daring

Sure your kids could be charged with aggravated assault: if they freakin' assaulted someone!

The truth is that all parties involved are at fault. The white teens should have received harsher punishments, but to be perfectly honest, I doubt that would have prevented the Jena 6 from beating that guy. So yeah, they really deserve to be punished.

Attention Louisiana guy: have the other 5 gone free without consequence? :? It sound like it in the article.

I find it ridicuouls that they were charged with murder. The insinuating nooses desevers more of a murder trial then the assault they commited. The white kid deserved everything he got, that is not a prank, no matter what he says. Obviously you can't go around assaulting people, but he will walk away with a slap on the wrist after all of this. In a small sounthern trial, history has shown that whites always win over blacks, there would be no trial if the law didn't mandate it. The kid should be expelled from school, and spend a couple years cooling of in a juvenile detention center. I take this very, very seriously.CrimzonTide

Hanging nooses on a tree deserves a murder trial more than kicking someone while they are unconcious, which has killed plenty of people in the past?

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

I'm having such a hard time not lauging at some of the comments made by people who travelled to Jena.

[Quote="CNN"]

JoAnn Scales, who brought her three teenage children on a two-day bus journey from Los Angeles, California, to Jena, made the same point.

"The reason I brought my children is because it could have been one of them" involved in an incident like the one in Jena.

"If this can happen to them [the Jena 6] , it can happen to anyone," Scales said.GettingTired

Sure your kids could be charged with aggravated assault: if they freakin' assaulted someone!

The truth is that all parties involved are at fault. The white teens should have received harsher punishments, but to be perfectly honest, I doubt that would have prevented the Jena 6 from beating that guy. So yeah, they really deserve to be punished.

Attention Louisiana guy: have the other 5 gone free without consequence? :? It sound like it in the article.

I'm not American, so I don't knowa whole lot about American law. The article mentioned that it could've been a hate crime though, but I'm not really sure what constitutes a hate crime.

Hanging nooses on a tree deserves a murder trial more than kicking someone while they are unconcious, which has killed plenty of people in the past? Vyse_The_Daring

None of them should get any punishment. Isn't living in Louisiana punishment enough? j/k Louisiana people.

The kid(s) that hung the noose should have been expelled, and the kids that beat him up should be charged with assault not attempted murded. It was 6 v. 1, if they were trying to kill him he'd be dead. While it's not exactly a classic case of racial injustice (they did assault somebody), I highly doubt if they were white that they'd be charged with attempted murder.

I agree that there was overchargement here, they should have just the assualt charge.

Interesting thing though, if six white students beat up a black student they might have tac'd on hate crime charges so there's biases all around the justice system here. As far as I can tell, hate crime laws are laws aimed only at whites.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]Hanging nooses on a tree deserves a murder trial more than kicking someone while they are unconcious, which has killed plenty of people in the past? CrimzonTide

You are part of the problem NOT part of the solution. You brought up the nooses. It is you that chooses not to forget. So I guess the nooses of which this kid had not part of justified him being beat until unconceous. Last time I checked being kicked in the head can kill someone. I am going to guess that you are black.

Yes I am white but at least I can see within reason.

I agree that there was overchargement here, they should have just the assualt charge.

Interesting thing though, if six white students beat up a black student they might have tac'd on hate crime charges so there's biases all around the justice system here.

FPSGunnerDude

Edit: Apparently the kid that got beaten up wasn't one of the people that hung the nooses, he just made racist remarks. Once you take the implied death threat out of it, it's harder to defend them.

[QUOTE="CrimzonTide"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]Hanging nooses on a tree deserves a murder trial more than kicking someone while they are unconcious, which has killed plenty of people in the past? OLDGAMER1972

You are part of the problem NOT part of the solution. You brought up the nooses. It is you that chooses not to forget. So I guess the nooses of which this kid had not part of justified him being beat until unconceous. Last time I checked being kicked in the head can kill someone. I am going to guess that you are black.

Yes I am white but at least I can see within reason.

There were 6 of them. If they were trying to kill him, don't you think they would have injured him more to the point where he'd actually have to go to the hospital? I mean, he was able to go to school later that day.

[QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]

I agree that there was overchargement here, they should have just the assualt charge.

Interesting thing though, if six white students beat up a black student they might have tac'd on hate crime charges so there's biases all around the justice system here.

sca321

So your'e certain about that? Are you certain whites hate blacks more than blacks hate whites? I feel hated by blacks wherever I go, whatever I do. I've recieved death threats from blacks on this board and in person as a matter of fact. Hate crime legistlation disproportionally is aimed at white Christian males and is more injust than anything Al Sharpton ever got involved in. Where's our spoksman? Do we even have one?

i just hate crap like this... yes the white kids were wrong, the principle wanted to suspend them but the school voted against it. the parents, students, and kids knew about it... why didn't they open a case as a hate crime?

and the blacks yes they were very wrong, its assault yes. what did you expect? if 6 Asians went and brutally attacked a Hindu wouldn't that be attempted murder? or is it ok to justify it when a group thinks that justice was not served. what are all these marches about? to free the blacks? they committed a crime. period.

just for a second think what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot? what if "Kill Whitey" was written on the wall? do you think anyone would really give a damn or treat it seriously? [sarcasm] oh wait i forgot racism against whites does not exist [/sarcasm] and if 6 white guys were caught beating up a black guy... oh the media would have a Field day about that. and Al sharpton and rev Jackson would just be in heaven.

[QUOTE="CrimzonTide"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]Hanging nooses on a tree deserves a murder trial more than kicking someone while they are unconcious, which has killed plenty of people in the past? OLDGAMER1972

You are part of the problem NOT part of the solution. You brought up the nooses. It is you that chooses not to forget. So I guess the nooses of which this kid had not part of justified him being beat until unconceous. Last time I checked being kicked in the head can kill someone. I am going to guess that you are black.

Yes I am white but at least I can see within reason.

Yes it can kill somone, but again there were six kids. If they wanted to kill him they would of either stabbed him, or continued to kick him in the head until he stopped breathing. and no i am not black.

This is what you get with racial tension. These six kids did the crime, no doubt about that. The only problem I and many people had was the time they were going to be potentially charged with. 20 + years each as a preliminary charge for the crimes? For assault and aggravated battery. There are some murders that won't get you that long.

This is something that will happen again. Hell, it has been reported before in Jena with whites vs. blacks and vice versa. Once this case gets put to bed, I just hope they find some way to ease the tension in the school and in the community.

You are part of the problem NOT part of the solution. You brought up the nooses. It is you that chooses not to forget. So I guess the nooses of which this kid had not part of justified him being beat until unconceous. Last time I checked being kicked in the head can kill someone. I am going to guess that you are black.Yes I am white but at least I can see within reason.OLDGAMER1972

Dude, the nooses is very racist because when slavery existed, Black Men were hung on Nooses and it was a common thing.

If someone acts really racist to you, would you just stand there and take it or beat the **** out of em?

[QUOTE="sca321"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]

I agree that there was overchargement here, they should have just the assualt charge.

Interesting thing though, if six white students beat up a black student they might have tac'd on hate crime charges so there's biases all around the justice system here.

FPSGunnerDude

So your'e certain about that? Are you certain whites hate blacks more than blacks hate whites? I feel hated by blacks wherever I go, whatever I do. I've recieved death threats from blacks on this board and in person as a matter of fact. Hate crime legistlation disproportionally is aimed at white Christian males and is more injust than anything Al Sharpton ever got involved in. Where's our spoksman? Do we even have one?

we are white,if we did have a spokesman....hed be automaticly racist.

I think the whole, "Free the Jena 6" movement is stupid. Yes, thereare alot of racial problems there, but the town should not release the "black" kids that beat the crap out of the "white" kid. They certainly shouldn't release them because racial threats were made. Those kids assaulted another person, andthey should not get off those charges because of race.xboxdudeman800

[QUOTE="xboxdudeman800"]I think the whole, "Free the Jena 6" movement is stupid. Yes, thereare alot of racial problems there, but the town should not release the "black" kids that beat the crap out of the "white" kid. They certainly shouldn't release them because racial threats were made. Those kids assaulted another person, andthey should not get off those charges because of race.CrimzonTide

either way, race shouldn't play a factor in something like this...

either way, race shouldn't play a factor in something like this...xboxdudeman800

[QUOTE="sca321"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]

I agree that there was overchargement here, they should have just the assualt charge.

Interesting thing though, if six white students beat up a black student they might have tac'd on hate crime charges so there's biases all around the justice system here.

FPSGunnerDude

So your'e certain about that? Are you certain whites hate blacks more than blacks hate whites?

I feel hated by blacks wherever I go, whatever I do. I've recieved death threats from blacks on this board and in person as a matter of fact.FPSGunnerDude

Hate crime legistlation disproportionally is aimed at white Christian males and is more injust than anything Al Sharpton ever got involved in. Where's our spoksman? Do we even have one?

FPSGunnerDude

You said "blacks are disproportionally convicted of everything else". What? Committing crimes? They are disporportionally convicted of actual crimes they commit? Get it together man.

And, if I was black I'd like to think I wouldn't be a criminal going around beating people up!

[QUOTE="sca321"][QUOTE="FPSGunnerDude"]

I agree that there was overchargement here, they should have just the assualt charge.

Interesting thing though, if six white students beat up a black student they might have tac'd on hate crime charges so there's biases all around the justice system here.

FPSGunnerDude

So your'e certain about that? Are you certain whites hate blacks more than blacks hate whites? I feel hated by blacks wherever I go, whatever I do. I've recieved death threats from blacks on this board and in person as a matter of fact. Hate crime legistlation disproportionally is aimed at white Christian males and is more injust than anything Al Sharpton ever got involved in. Where's our spoksman? Do we even have one?

Hmm first off, the white kid was a jackass. He shouldnt have done it in the first place, but what do people expect? We are living in the 21st century, there is racism everywhere, and people need to stop being so sensitive. Mind you, Im not saying that the Black kids didnt have a right to get angry about the noose, but COME ON. Thye beat him up?! 6 on 1? How does that help their image? Are they animals? Just because the kid is racist doesnt mean you kick the crap out of him.

An eye for an eye makes the world blind, but yet, these black kids went farther. They not only took the kids eyes, but his hands and legs (in this context). They should have been the better people and left the kid alone, or if you want to get back at him, than just make a racist slur or something, dont beat the guy. Its stupid really. The kids should face jail time, while the white kid seems like he had punishment enough. Just suspend him for a while.

I find it ridicuouls that they were charged with murder. The insinuating nooses desevers more of a murder trial then the assault they commited. The white kid deserved everything he got, that is not a prank, no matter what he says. Obviously you can't go around assaulting people, but he will walk away with a slap on the wrist after all of this. In a small sounthern trial, history has shown that whites always win over blacks, there would be no trial if the law didn't mandate it. The kid should be expelled from school, and spend a couple years cooling of in a juvenile detention center. I take this very, very seriously.CrimzonTide

It was wrong to charge the Jena 6 with attempted second degree murder. They should have been charged with assault. The judge said the white boys did nothing that that was illegal under Louisiana law and that is why they weren't charged with any crime. There is no doubt that what they did by putting the nooses in the tree was reprehensible, clearly threatening and intentionally reminiscent of the era of "strange fruit" that Billie Holiday sang about. It is serious and it is disgusting, but even so it isn't assault.

I'm from south Louisiana, and it saddens me that racial strife still suffuses the south to the degree that it does. There have been a lot of racial incidents in and around Jena since the white tree / noose incident, and it does seem that in most cases blacks experience a harsher "justice" than whites do. That is a problem that needs to get fixed, or there'll never be an end to the injustice of racism.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]Hanging nooses on a tree deserves a murder trial more than kicking someone while they are unconcious, which has killed plenty of people in the past? CrimzonTide

Its funny how this is being construed as a civil rights struggle by some people. I wonder what Martin Luther King jr. would have thought about a 6 on 1 fight...Jocubus