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#1 MarkSmith
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(except that every influential Democrat under the sun believed the WMD story too, before later claiming AFTER things went awry that they never supported the war)

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"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

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Daschle said the 1998 resolution would "send as clear a message as possible that we are going to force, one way or another, diplomatically or militarily, Iraq to comply with international law." And he vigorously defended President Clinton's inclination to use military force in Iraq.

Summing up the Clinton administration's argument, Daschle said, "'Look, we have exhausted virtually our diplomatic effort to get the Iraqis to comply with their own agreements and with international law. Given that, what other option is there but to force them to do so?' That's what they're saying. This is the key question. And the answer is we don't have another option. We have got to force them to comply, and we are doing so militarily."

John Kerry was equally hawkish: "If there is not unfettered, unrestricted, unlimited access per the U.N. resolution for inspections, and UNSCOM cannot in our judgment appropriately perform its functions, then we obviously reserve the rights to press that case internationally and to do what we need to do as a nation in order to be able to enforce those rights," Kerry said back on February 23, 1998. "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East.
the weekly standard

Just consider the facts," Bill Clinton urged.

"Iraq repeatedly made false declarations about the weapons that it had left in its possession after the Gulf War. When UNSCOM would then uncover evidence that gave the lie to those declarations, Iraq would simply amend the reports. For example, Iraq revised its nuclear declarations four times within just 14 months and it has submitted six different biological warfare declarations, each of which has been rejected by UNSCOM. In 1995, Hussein Kamal, Saddam's son-in-law, and chief organizer of Iraq's weapons-of-mass-destruction program, defected to Jordan. He revealed that Iraq was continuing to conceal weapons and missiles and the capacity to build many more. Then and only then did Iraq admit to developing numbers of weapons in significant quantities and weapon stocks. Previously, it had vehemently denied the very thing it just simply admitted once Saddam Hussein's son-in-law defected to Jordan and told the truth."

Clinton was on a roll:

"Now listen to this: What did it admit? It admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability--notably 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs. And might I say, UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq has actually greatly understated its production.

Next, throughout this entire process, Iraqi agents have undermined and undercut UNSCOM. They've harassed the inspectors, lied to them, disabled monitoring cameras, literally spirited evidence out of the back doors of suspect facilities as inspectors walked through the front door. And our people were there observing it and had the pictures to prove it. "

More Clinton: "We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st century," he argued. "They will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein."the weekly standard

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/607rkunu.asp?pg=2

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So Bush made this all up so he could seize some oil, right Dems?

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#2 TheHimura
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I hope you know that half of this thread is going to consist of "omg ITS TEH MODZORZZZ".

Anyway, I don't have the attention span to read all of that. 

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#3 MarkSmith
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I hope you know that half of this thread is going to consist of "omg ITS TEH MODZORZZZ".

Anyway, I don't have the attention span to read all of that.

TheHimura

No, Im well aware. Thats why i hardly ever post here. 

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#4 GameBoy966
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Since when do Liberals change their minds for public favor and deny ever thinking the other way?

Wait. . .

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#5 SIapshot
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Man.............. I'm too drunk to read all that
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#6 Crimson_Sin
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That's a lot of reading...

Normally I'd say blogworthy, but I don't want to get my ass handed to me by a mod

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[QUOTE="TheHimura"]

I hope you know that half of this thread is going to consist of "omg ITS TEH MODZORZZZ".

Anyway, I don't have the attention span to read all of that.

MarkSmith

No, Im well aware. Thats why i hardly ever post here.

whered you get 27k posts from then:P 

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#8 MarkSmith
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[QUOTE="MarkSmith"][QUOTE="TheHimura"]

I hope you know that half of this thread is going to consist of "omg ITS TEH MODZORZZZ".

Anyway, I don't have the attention span to read all of that.

tehbiggerboss

No, Im well aware. Thats why i hardly ever post here.

whered you get 27k posts from then:P

UCBs and unions

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#9 TheHimura
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Perhaps if you summarized it I could contribute to this thread more.
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#10 KiIIyou
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That was unkind of him to do.
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#11 Rekunta
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Yea, damn those crazy America hating, homo loving, tree huggin' liberals!

What's your point?  That Bush lied about Iraq, or that mostly everyone believed him and endorsed it?

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#12 SemiMaster
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You just kind of found this out?

People don't like Bush yet he's still in office and no one has impeached him. 2008 can't come quick enough. 

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#13 MarkSmith
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Perhaps if you summarized it I could contribute to this thread more.TheHimura

-Dems say bush lied about Iraq
-Dems were singing the same tune as Bush pre invasion
-Teh hypocrisy and political opportunism

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#14 MarkSmith
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You just kind of found this out?

People don't like Bush yet he's still in office and no one has impeached him. 2008 can't come quick enough.

SemiMaster

Way to just read the title. 

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#15 xXBuffJeffXx
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Maybe he didn't outright lie, but he did cherry pick the intell that suited his presupposed opinion on the matter. By most accounts, the majority of the intelligence coming out of Iraq indicated that Saddam did not possess WMD and that he was not actively producing any. The small minority of intelligence that supported the Bush administration's claim that Iraq had WMD was utilized. But, alas, it doesn't matter because we are there and the reasons for being there are no longer relevant. We owe the Iraqi people a better future. The whole situation brings to mind a quote from long ago, one that has been forgotten by most.

 

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

 

 

 

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#16 Account_27
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There is a good possibility I might have ADD.
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#17 Funkdaddy13
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You just wrote my entire debate research paper for me! :D
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#18 fastesttruck
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I think most people know bush lies :|
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#19 RyuHayabusaX
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Mark, you really expect the gvnt to tell the truth, IN ANY COUNTRY? They're always hiding things, doing things behind our backs, giving us the wrong information. They don't control what companies like CNN broadcast, but they give the wrong information to them, so that's what we always get. In this case, whatever Bush is doing, it just happened to get leaked out since it's such a grave situation, a war with Iraq.
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#20 helium_flash
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Hm, i'm just not sure how Republicans would react if the democracts made a huge mess-up like Bush.  I'm sure that if something like stem-cell research goes wrong, Republicans would be all over that.

But then again, 'Pubs never supported SCR in the first place.

Oh yea, ZOMG!  A Mod POSTED a THREAD!!!?!? 

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#21 helium_flash
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WAAAIT???  Isn't it illegal to post more than 5 quotes???  I could totally mod a mod!
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#22 SIapshot
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Oh yea, ZOMG!  A Mod POSTED a THREAD!!!?!? 

helium_flash
That's the second time I've seen that..... you guys don't leave OT very much, do you?
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#23 Greatgone12
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I ate the WMDs to make the big people mad.
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#24 trophylocoste
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[QUOTE="TheHimura"]Perhaps if you summarized it I could contribute to this thread more.MarkSmith

-Dems say bush lied about Iraq
-Dems were singing the same tune as Bush pre invasion
-Teh hypocrisy and political opportunism

Thank you
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WAAAIT??? Isn't it illegal to post more than 5 quotes??? I could totally mod a mod!helium_flash

That rule mainly applies in system wars ;)

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#26 SIapshot
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[QUOTE="helium_flash"]WAAAIT??? Isn't it illegal to post more than 5 quotes??? I could totally mod a mod!zackattack784

That rule mainly applies in system wars ;)

:o
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#27 crude_darkness
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Have you heard of the Israeli lobby?

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#28 MarkSmith
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You just wrote my entire debate research paper for me! :DFunkdaddy13

Glad I could help; just make sure you're very careful about your citations and that you dont pass off all this info as your own. 

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#29 EboyLOL
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George Bush is a bad president and %90 of congress members are bad congress members... that's all I'm saying to that.
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I think you are mistaken in your statement of all the democrats supporting bush before the war...what are you a republican who kinda hates bush but wants to make democrats look bad at the same time to gratify yourself? And I think posting this in a GAME forum is a little weird aswell...I mean obviously 100% of the people here have access to the internet and thus makes us somewhat more informed about politics then some guy deep in the texas outback who calls his TV a "Picture making magic box". Just saying..... I dont see why you put so much focus on the democrats when it's Bush who is killing people
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I think you are mistaken in your statement of all the democrats supporting bush before the war...what are you a republican who kinda hates bush but wants to make democrats look bad at the same time to gratify yourself? And I think posting this in a GAME forum is a little weird aswell...I mean obviously 100% of the people here have access to the internet and thus makes us somewhat more informed about politics then some guy deep in the texas outback who calls his TV a "Picture making magic box". Just saying..... I dont see why you put so much focus on the democrats when it's Bush who is killing peopleTermite551
  Taking note of your level and post count, you havent been here for too long. If youd stick around for a while, you would notice there are some pretty deep debates about more then just games here in the OT.

Ok, now, I would also like to remind people that finding hidden weapons takes a long ...long time when you have to look all over a country. Chances are, if he has them, he really wanted to hide them very very well for obvious reasons. At least, thats my theory...and what I would do. *Shrugs*

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[QUOTE="MarkSmith"](except that every influential Democrat under the sun believed the WMD story too, before later claiming AFTER things went awry that they never supported the war)

I stoped reading right there.

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[QUOTE="MarkSmith"](except that every influential Democrat under the sun believed the WMD story too, before later claiming AFTER things went awry that they never supported the war)

twopic58

I stoped reading right there.

You missed exhaustive proof then. I cant force you to inform yourself.

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Perhaps if you summarized it I could contribute to this thread more.TheHimura
It's just toooo much toooo read.
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#35 trix5817
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Since when do Liberals change their minds for public favor and deny ever thinking the other way?

Wait. . .

GameBoy966

 

lol, indeed. Oh crap, that whole Iraq thing was a mistake. Let's make myself look goodso I can get public support but not actually deal with the problem!

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it doesn't matter because we are there and the reasons for being there are no longer relevant. xXBuffJeffXx
Exactly.
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[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"] it doesn't matter because we are there and the reasons for being there are no longer relevant. bt_the_great_78
Exactly.

So if there is a problem in your life, you just leave and walk out of it? How about you deal with the problem that's at hand, especially if you had a hand in creating it......I don't know about you, but I don't run away from my problems.  

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#38 MarkSmith
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[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"] it doesn't matter because we are there and the reasons for being there are no longer relevant. bt_the_great_78
Exactly.

I dont dispute that, but the argument is still a non sequitur 

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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"] it doesn't matter because we are there and the reasons for being there are no longer relevant. trix5817

Exactly.

So if there is a problem in your life, you just leave and walk out of it? How about you deal with the problem that's at hand, especially if you had a hand in creating it......I don't know about you, but I don't run away from my problems.

Who suggested we walk away?
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#40 MarkSmith
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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"] it doesn't matter because we are there and the reasons for being there are no longer relevant. trix5817

Exactly.

So if there is a problem in your life, you just leave and walk out of it? How about you deal with the problem that's at hand, especially if you had a hand in creating it......I don't know about you, but I don't run away from my problems.

We solved our problem. Crazy Saddam is in hell next to Hitler now.

What we're doing now is trying to make Iraq a democracy, a politically correct goal that doesn't really benefit us at all. 

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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"] it doesn't matter because we are there and the reasons for being there are no longer relevant. trix5817

Exactly.

So if there is a problem in your life, you just leave and walk out of it? How about you deal with the problem that's at hand, especially if you had a hand in creating it......I don't know about you, but I don't run away from my problems.

What I was implying with my statement was that the reasons for being there no longer matter because we are there, and I feel we have a moral obligation to help correct the situation. 

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#42 MarkSmith
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Okay, I just realized that I misinterepreted XBuff and bt's sentiments.
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#43 rrric
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WELCOME TO POLITICS

reps in power they take the blame

dems in power they take the blame

for me its to vote for the lesser evil 

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#44 trix5817
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[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"] it doesn't matter because we are there and the reasons for being there are no longer relevant. bt_the_great_78

Exactly.

So if there is a problem in your life, you just leave and walk out of it? How about you deal with the problem that's at hand, especially if you had a hand in creating it......I don't know about you, but I don't run away from my problems.

Who suggested we walk away?

liberals.......

 

Yes, we now know that Iraq was a mistake. If we would of known back then what we know now, we would have never of gone. But that's not the way it works. Who nows what kind of info intelligence gave Bush and the government. It could of just been false intelligence. It's one of those things that you find the truth out 20-30 years later when all the secret documents get declassified. But now we have to deal with the consequences and hopefully stabilize that mess of a country, if that's even possible. 

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#45 xXBuffJeffXx
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[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"] it doesn't matter because we are there and the reasons for being there are no longer relevant. MarkSmith

Exactly.

So if there is a problem in your life, you just leave and walk out of it? How about you deal with the problem that's at hand, especially if you had a hand in creating it......I don't know about you, but I don't run away from my problems.

We solved our problem. Crazy Saddam is in hell next to Hitler now.

What we're doing now is trying to make Iraq a democracy, a politically correct goal that doesn't really benefit us at all.

A militant-infested, failed state with strong Islamic ties in the heart of the Middle East is the worst thing that could possibly happen. If the Iraqi government fails there will be far-reaching consequences and implications for the entire world.

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#46 trix5817
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[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"] it doesn't matter because we are there and the reasons for being there are no longer relevant. xXBuffJeffXx

Exactly.

So if there is a problem in your life, you just leave and walk out of it? How about you deal with the problem that's at hand, especially if you had a hand in creating it......I don't know about you, but I don't run away from my problems.

What I was implying with my statement was that the reasons for being there no longer matter because we are there, and I feel we have a moral obligation to help correct the situation.

Ahhhh, I see. I misinterpreted you. But yeah, I agree. 

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#47 MarkSmith
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[QUOTE="MarkSmith"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"] it doesn't matter because we are there and the reasons for being there are no longer relevant. xXBuffJeffXx

Exactly.

So if there is a problem in your life, you just leave and walk out of it? How about you deal with the problem that's at hand, especially if you had a hand in creating it......I don't know about you, but I don't run away from my problems.

We solved our problem. Crazy Saddam is in hell next to Hitler now.

What we're doing now is trying to make Iraq a democracy, a politically correct goal that doesn't really benefit us at all.

A militant-infested, failed state with strong Islamic ties in the heart of the Middle East is the worst thing that could possibly happen. If the Iraqi government fails there will be far-reaching consequences and implications for the entire world.

But its going to fail no matter what; we may as well save billions by watching it fail from the sidelines. 

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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"] it doesn't matter because we are there and the reasons for being there are no longer relevant. MarkSmith

Exactly.

I dont dispute that, but the argument is still a non sequitur

I wasn't directing it towards you. In fact, I like the thread. However, I find the perpetual fascination with the actions that led us into Iraq wrongheaded. It's completely irrelevant argument. Those who oppose "the war" devote energy to the argument and for some reason people entertain them. Anyone with any sense should cede the argument to them. So what. Say, "okay, say we were wrong. We're still in the same boat." Whether we were justified or not, we're there and we can't go back in time and undo what has already been done. You've got to move on a deal with what is going on now.
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#49 MarkSmith
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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"] it doesn't matter because we are there and the reasons for being there are no longer relevant. bt_the_great_78

Exactly.

I dont dispute that, but the argument is still a non sequitur

I wasn't directing it towards you. In fact, I like the thread. However, I find the perpetual fascination with the actions that led us into Iraq wrongheaded. It's completely irrelevant argument. Those who oppose "the war" devote energy to the argument and for some reason people entertain them. Anyone with any sense should cede the argument to them. So what. Say, "okay, say we were wrong. We're still in the same boat." Whether we were justified or not, we're there and we can't go back in time and undo what has already been done. You've got to move on a deal with what is going on now.

Okay, I'll agree with you there. 

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[QUOTE="MarkSmith"]

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"] it doesn't matter because we are there and the reasons for being there are no longer relevant. bt_the_great_78

Exactly.

I dont dispute that, but the argument is still a non sequitur

I wasn't directing it towards you. In fact, I like the thread. However, I find the perpetual fascination with the actions that led us into Iraq wrongheaded. It's completely irrelevant argument. Those who oppose "the war" devote energy to the argument and for some reason people entertain them. Anyone with any sense should cede the argument to them. So what. Say, "okay, say we were wrong. We're still in the same boat." Whether we were justified or not, we're there and we can't go back in time and undo what has already been done. You've got to move on a deal with what is going on now.

Indeed.Â