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#51 oddone12
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[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="fidosim"]

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]He's black. What other reason do you need?MarineJcksn

Exactly. Affirmative action applies to the presidency too.

Please dear god tell me that was sarcasm.

At ease, soldier. I was joking but some people seem to think that way. Let's all be honest here: Obama is the probable nominee simply because of his race.

I'll stand down, Fido.:P

Also, I don't agree his race is all there's to it. I think it's a small portion of the reason, but I really believe the main reason he's the probable nominee because largely people are falling for his words. I admit, it's easy to get sucked into his speaches. But once you look at his voting record and his policies and those he keeps company with and all the meaningless rhetoric....you realise he's just another empty suit and no different that what we're used to.:(

Please, enlighten me. What makes him just another "suit"?

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#52 LJS9502_basic
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I have only found good reasons to vote against him...
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Yeah, let's put another bible thumping, pro-life , 70 year old white man in the house and see how long it is until we pull out of Iraq, until we see our economy **** until we see gay marriage recognized; until we stopped getting ****** in the *** by white America.

Supposedly this is the GENERATION of change, with hip-hop, "TRUTH", SNL- style comedy not afraid to PUSH the boundaries of mainstream thinking. Cool college professors who ride a skate board to class and let you talk about sex and how you got drunk last night during studies. This is supposedly a nation of baby-boomers and ex-pot head parents, who are cool and hip - yet the best half of you can come up with is throwing another old white republican in office. Jesus, talk about being naive and brainwashed. Good, go ahead, throw McCain in office, see how that works out for you. Maybe we'll invade the Congo next - or invent a car that can go 2 miles to the gallon.

Hey, in white middle class conservative christian America, anything is possible.

oddone12
or we can let a infant killing, anti-life, naive blackboy in the WHITEhouse and see how long it is until Iraq falls to Iranian hegemony, until our taxes shoot up and kill our economy, until the NAACP rules the land. Hey in Black Elite liberal atheist America (that cares more about Africa then it does the U.S.) anything can and does happen. Including Cult leaders
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[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="fidosim"]

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]He's black. What other reason do you need?MarineJcksn

Exactly. Affirmative action applies to the presidency too.

Please dear god tell me that was sarcasm.

At ease, soldier. I was joking but some people seem to think that way. Let's all be honest here: Obama is the probable nominee simply because of his race.

I'll stand down, Fido.:P

Also, I don't agree his race is all there's to it. I think it's a small portion of the reason, but I really believe the main reason he's the probable nominee because largely people are falling for his words. I admit, it's easy to get sucked into his speaches. But once you look at his voting record and his policies and those he keeps company with and all the meaningless rhetoric....you realise he's just another empty suit and no different that what we're used to.:(

MarineJckson, you speak as if everyone else is being fooled. I hate to break it to you, but you are not the be all and end all decision maker of what is right and wrong for the U.S. People are different, democrats and Obama supporters are not having the wool pulled over their eyes. Their are many, probably the vast majority that like and support Obama because they agree with his principals and his vision of America. Yes that includes his policies that believe it or not, many democrats have actually looked at! And more astounding still, agreed with!

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#55 Silenthps
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Obama is the best candidate for America's president in a LONG, LONG time.tocklestein2005
Excuse me, that title goes to Ron Paul.
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MarineJckson, you speak as if everyone else is being fooled. I hate to break it to you, but you are not the be all and end all decision maker of what is right and wrong for the U.S. People are different, democrats and Obama supporters are not having the wool pulled over their eyes. Their are many, probably the vast majority that like and support Obama because they agree with his principals and his vision of America. Yes that includes his policies that believe it or not, many democrats have actually looked at! And more astounding still, agreed with!

allnamestaken

You're right...as a democrat I won't have the wool pulled over my eyes. That is why I don't fall for the meaningless Obama catch phrases and look at his policies, his character, and his intelligence. As it is....I won't be voting for my party if as is most likely the case he is the candidate.

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Sounds just like every other Obama supporter in this thread. "he's going to change America" How is he going to change America? "He's going to change it for the better" Yea, but HOW is he going to change it for the better? "Well, he's just going to change it, go to (some website) and read about it" No cajones, no opinion, just "change" and some website. And all you can do is come up with some "what do you want me to do, convince you?" excuse. YES I want you to convince me. Can you tell me WHY he would be the best president of the United States? Or don't you have the cajones?SIapshot

He did write a book about it :roll: There is plenty of "How" if you care to look.

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#58 aka_aj03
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He will make gas prices to $1.00/gallon again.
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#60 SIapshot
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Allnames.... empty rhetoric aside, why do YOU think Obama is the best candidate?
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[QUOTE="allnamestaken"]

MarineJckson, you speak as if everyone else is being fooled. I hate to break it to you, but you are not the be all and end all decision maker of what is right and wrong for the U.S. People are different, democrats and Obama supporters are not having the wool pulled over their eyes. Their are many, probably the vast majority that like and support Obama because they agree with his principals and his vision of America. Yes that includes his policies that believe it or not, many democrats have actually looked at! And more astounding still, agreed with!

LJS9502_basic

You're right...as a democrat I won't have the wool pulled over my eyes. That is why I don't fall for the meaningless Obama catch phrases and look at his policies, his character, and his intelligence. As it is....I won't be voting for my party if as is most likely the case he is the candidate.

That's fine, as long as you have researched the topic and have made an informed decision. I'm just sick of baseless claims about Obama having no platform when they clearly haven't done any research.

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He will make gas prices to $1.00/gallon again.aka_aj03
how so.
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#63 SIapshot
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[QUOTE="SIapshot"]Sounds just like every other Obama supporter in this thread. "he's going to change America" How is he going to change America? "He's going to change it for the better" Yea, but HOW is he going to change it for the better? "Well, he's just going to change it, go to (some website) and read about it" No cajones, no opinion, just "change" and some website. And all you can do is come up with some "what do you want me to do, convince you?" excuse. YES I want you to convince me. Can you tell me WHY he would be the best president of the United States? Or don't you have the cajones?Engrish_Major

He did write a book about it :roll: There is plenty of "How" if you care to look.

I did look, I have a detailed congressional voting record for Obama. You still don't get it, I'm asking for your OPINION. It would seem that there isn't one single Obama supporter who is willing to give his OPINION on why Obama would be the best candidate.
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[QUOTE="allnamestaken"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="allnamestaken"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="allnamestaken"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="allnamestaken"]

The one and definitive reason why you should vote for Obama is....

IF YOU AGREE WITH HIS POLICIES

SIapshot

You mean the ones he mugs for or the ones he actually voted for in congress?

I mean the ones he running for the presidential election on.

Which seperate him from the other candidates in what way?

cnn.com/politics go there and look at everyone's platforms.

I've read everyones platforms, congressional voting records, and public statements. What I'm asking for is your opinion.

Would you like me to try and convince you? I'm not going to do that. Partly because I don't want to take the time to explain Obama's policies and why I agree with them and partly because what is considered actually best for the country is objective. Personally, I would like to see his ideas put into action, his environmental and energy policies for instance. I also believe that it's time to start systematically pulling troops out of Iraq.

I have quite a list of things I agree with him on and sure their are a few I don't, but out of the two candidates I believe he would be the best president of the United States.

Sounds just like every other Obama supporter in this thread. "he's going to change America" How is he going to change America? "He's going to change it for the better" Yea, but HOW is he going to change it for the better? "Well, he's just going to change it, go to (some website) and read about it" No cajones, no opinion, just "change" and some website. And all you can do is come up with some "what do you want me to do, convince you?" excuse. YES I want you to convince me. Can you tell me WHY he would be the best president of the United States? Or don't you have the cajones?

My job isn't to convince you and I stand by it, I agree with his policies, and I believe it would make the United States and the world, a better place.

Do you always try and provoke and insult people to get your way?

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[QUOTE="SIapshot"]Sounds just like every other Obama supporter in this thread. "he's going to change America" How is he going to change America? "He's going to change it for the better" Yea, but HOW is he going to change it for the better? "Well, he's just going to change it, go to (some website) and read about it" No cajones, no opinion, just "change" and some website. And all you can do is come up with some "what do you want me to do, convince you?" excuse. YES I want you to convince me. Can you tell me WHY he would be the best president of the United States? Or don't you have the cajones?Engrish_Major

He did write a book about it :roll: There is plenty of "How" if you care to look.

His books not even that great. If you really want an inspiring writing about hope, this is it.
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#66 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="SIapshot"]Sounds just like every other Obama supporter in this thread. "he's going to change America" How is he going to change America? "He's going to change it for the better" Yea, but HOW is he going to change it for the better? "Well, he's just going to change it, go to (some website) and read about it" No cajones, no opinion, just "change" and some website. And all you can do is come up with some "what do you want me to do, convince you?" excuse. YES I want you to convince me. Can you tell me WHY he would be the best president of the United States? Or don't you have the cajones?SIapshot

He did write a book about it :roll: There is plenty of "How" if you care to look.

I did look, I have a detailed congressional voting record for Obama. You still don't get it, I'm asking for your OPINION. It would seem that there isn't one single Obama supporter who is willing to give his OPINION on why Obama would be the best candidate.

One thing I really like is that he will repeal tax breaks and reduce our presence in the Middle East and use that money to rebuild our infrastructure, as well as creating 'green' jobs while researching renewable energy.

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#67 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="SIapshot"]Sounds just like every other Obama supporter in this thread. "he's going to change America" How is he going to change America? "He's going to change it for the better" Yea, but HOW is he going to change it for the better? "Well, he's just going to change it, go to (some website) and read about it" No cajones, no opinion, just "change" and some website. And all you can do is come up with some "what do you want me to do, convince you?" excuse. YES I want you to convince me. Can you tell me WHY he would be the best president of the United States? Or don't you have the cajones?whipassmt

He did write a book about it :roll: There is plenty of "How" if you care to look.

His books not even that great. If you really want an inspiring writing about hope, this is it.

Okay, can we vote for any of those people?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="allnamestaken"]

MarineJckson, you speak as if everyone else is being fooled. I hate to break it to you, but you are not the be all and end all decision maker of what is right and wrong for the U.S. People are different, democrats and Obama supporters are not having the wool pulled over their eyes. Their are many, probably the vast majority that like and support Obama because they agree with his principals and his vision of America. Yes that includes his policies that believe it or not, many democrats have actually looked at! And more astounding still, agreed with!

allnamestaken

You're right...as a democrat I won't have the wool pulled over my eyes. That is why I don't fall for the meaningless Obama catch phrases and look at his policies, his character, and his intelligence. As it is....I won't be voting for my party if as is most likely the case he is the candidate.

That's fine, as long as you have researched the topic and have made an informed decision. I'm just sick of baseless claims about Obama having no platform when they clearly haven't done any research.

It's no different than people claiming that Obama is the best presidential candidate without providing one single opinion on WHY they think that way...
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Change, of course. Change we can believe in.

Master_Jdog

what type of chance do you speak of. I here him on commericals talk about change change change change but he never said what he will change.

Just dig a little bit and stop cryin', he stays better than Clinton and McCain, under and on the table.

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[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="SIapshot"]Sounds just like every other Obama supporter in this thread. "he's going to change America" How is he going to change America? "He's going to change it for the better" Yea, but HOW is he going to change it for the better? "Well, he's just going to change it, go to (some website) and read about it" No cajones, no opinion, just "change" and some website. And all you can do is come up with some "what do you want me to do, convince you?" excuse. YES I want you to convince me. Can you tell me WHY he would be the best president of the United States? Or don't you have the cajones?Engrish_Major

He did write a book about it :roll: There is plenty of "How" if you care to look.

I did look, I have a detailed congressional voting record for Obama. You still don't get it, I'm asking for your OPINION. It would seem that there isn't one single Obama supporter who is willing to give his OPINION on why Obama would be the best candidate.

One thing I really like is that he will repeal tax breaks and reduce our presence in the Middle East and use that money to rebuild our infrastructure, as well as creating 'green' jobs while researching renewable energy.

1. why do you want new taxes 2. If we just leave the Middle East, the chaos will be immense over their. 3. "green jobs" i wonder how much money that will cost.
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Yeah, let's put another bible thumping, pro-life , 70 year old white man in the house and see how long it is until we pull out of Iraq, until we see our economy **** until we see gay marriage recognized; until we stopped getting ****** in the *** by white America.

Supposedly this is the GENERATION of change, with hip-hop, "TRUTH", SNL- style comedy not afraid to PUSH the boundaries of mainstream thinking. Cool college professors who ride a skate board to class and let you talk about sex and how you got drunk last night during studies. This is supposedly a nation of baby-boomers and ex-pot head parents, who are cool and hip - yet the best half of you can come up with is throwing another old white republican in office. Jesus, talk about being naive and brainwashed. Good, go ahead, throw McCain in office, see how that works out for you. Maybe we'll invade the Congo next - or invent a car that can go 2 miles to the gallon.

Hey, in white middle class conservative christian America, anything is possible.

oddone12

I feel bad for people that vote along racial lines like yourself. You're full of hate and I am not really sure why.

Hip-hop is change? What!? O and incase you haven't noticed, the new SNL comedy stinks. Dam, that was a terrible rant you just had. Half of it didn't even make sense; invent a car that gets 2 MPG?

Obama is religious just like McCain and I highly doubt gay marragie will become legel nation-wide under Obama.

So why don't you like McCain besids the fact that he's white :?

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[QUOTE="allnamestaken"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="allnamestaken"]

MarineJckson, you speak as if everyone else is being fooled. I hate to break it to you, but you are not the be all and end all decision maker of what is right and wrong for the U.S. People are different, democrats and Obama supporters are not having the wool pulled over their eyes. Their are many, probably the vast majority that like and support Obama because they agree with his principals and his vision of America. Yes that includes his policies that believe it or not, many democrats have actually looked at! And more astounding still, agreed with!

SIapshot

You're right...as a democrat I won't have the wool pulled over my eyes. That is why I don't fall for the meaningless Obama catch phrases and look at his policies, his character, and his intelligence. As it is....I won't be voting for my party if as is most likely the case he is the candidate.

That's fine, as long as you have researched the topic and have made an informed decision. I'm just sick of baseless claims about Obama having no platform when they clearly haven't done any research.

It's no different than people claiming that Obama is the best presidential candidate without providing one single opinion on WHY they think that way...

I gave you a reason...

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[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="SIapshot"]Sounds just like every other Obama supporter in this thread. "he's going to change America" How is he going to change America? "He's going to change it for the better" Yea, but HOW is he going to change it for the better? "Well, he's just going to change it, go to (some website) and read about it" No cajones, no opinion, just "change" and some website. And all you can do is come up with some "what do you want me to do, convince you?" excuse. YES I want you to convince me. Can you tell me WHY he would be the best president of the United States? Or don't you have the cajones?Engrish_Major

He did write a book about it :roll: There is plenty of "How" if you care to look.

I did look, I have a detailed congressional voting record for Obama. You still don't get it, I'm asking for your OPINION. It would seem that there isn't one single Obama supporter who is willing to give his OPINION on why Obama would be the best candidate.

One thing I really like is that he will repeal tax breaks and reduce our presence in the Middle East and use that money to rebuild our infrastructure, as well as creating 'green' jobs while researching renewable energy.

SIX PAGES LATER!!!! Thank you Engrish, you have more cajones than most Obama supporters.
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[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]oddone12

Please, enlighten me. What makes him just another "suit"?

It'll start another 20 page flame war, but I'll give you some of my impressions on the man based on what I've seen:

# 1. He expects special treatment. This week he came out publicly and said "Lay off my Wife". Ok, as a husband myself, I can understand his wanting to protect his wife. Here's the problem. She's out campaigning for him, promoting HIS ideas and as such, she's fair game. If she were home baking cookies and people slammed her, he'd have a point. But she's not, she's acting on his behalf at campaign rallies. Not to mention on Jan. 20th, 2008 he specifically called out and critisized Bill Clinton. If Bill is fair game, Michelle is too.

# 2. He's a terrible judge of character. Need I remind you of the Wright controversy (which nobody buys for a second that Barry never heard him say stuff like that) , his involvement with Bill Airs (domestic terrorist with the Weather Underground) , Tony Rezko (Accused extorsionist)? I can go on all day with people he's been involved with who've been shady. To me, this shows one of 2 things. Either Barry is too stupide to have realised who ALL these people were, or he knew all along.

I can go on and on and on but you get the picture. Look, some people just wont accept the truth on this guy, and I know that.

That being said, feel free to blindly flame me now. Notice that I NEVER ONCE said "McCain is without faults" or "Hillary doesn't expect special treatment". I quite frankly think they all don't get it, and am voting for the Libertarian Candidate Bob Barr even though he virtually has no chance. I'd rather stand up for my principles then tow a party line and once again vote for someone I don't think is worth my vote. :D

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="SIapshot"]Sounds just like every other Obama supporter in this thread. "he's going to change America" How is he going to change America? "He's going to change it for the better" Yea, but HOW is he going to change it for the better? "Well, he's just going to change it, go to (some website) and read about it" No cajones, no opinion, just "change" and some website. And all you can do is come up with some "what do you want me to do, convince you?" excuse. YES I want you to convince me. Can you tell me WHY he would be the best president of the United States? Or don't you have the cajones?Engrish_Major

He did write a book about it :roll: There is plenty of "How" if you care to look.

His books not even that great. If you really want an inspiring writing about hope, this is it.

Okay, can we vote for any of those people?

He should be able to. I mean who cares if he's foreign, he's the greatest current world leader (though with all the Chavezes and the Ahmadinejads, he doesn't have much competition).
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="SIapshot"]Sounds just like every other Obama supporter in this thread. "he's going to change America" How is he going to change America? "He's going to change it for the better" Yea, but HOW is he going to change it for the better? "Well, he's just going to change it, go to (some website) and read about it" No cajones, no opinion, just "change" and some website. And all you can do is come up with some "what do you want me to do, convince you?" excuse. YES I want you to convince me. Can you tell me WHY he would be the best president of the United States? Or don't you have the cajones?whipassmt

He did write a book about it :roll: There is plenty of "How" if you care to look.

I did look, I have a detailed congressional voting record for Obama. You still don't get it, I'm asking for your OPINION. It would seem that there isn't one single Obama supporter who is willing to give his OPINION on why Obama would be the best candidate.

One thing I really like is that he will repeal tax breaks and reduce our presence in the Middle East and use that money to rebuild our infrastructure, as well as creating 'green' jobs while researching renewable energy.

1. why do you want new taxes 2. If we just leave the Middle East, the chaos will be immense over their. 3. "green jobs" i wonder how much money that will cost.

1. The new taxes won't be levied on me- he is actually probably the best candidate for the success of the middle class.

2. Who says the chaos will be immense there? The same people who said we will be greeted as liberators, or that there are WMD's?

3. Green Jobs are FOR the economy, not against it. Renewable resourses are the future of economic sustainability.

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#77 Silenthps
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I'm gonna quote Immortal Technique and say "and they might even have a black president but he's useless, CAUSE HE DOES NOT CONTROL THE ECCONOMY, STUPID." Seriously, it doesn't matter which president we get, America is screwed and no big change will occur. And seeing as how this is a gamespot forums, might as well choose the only president who actually likes video games.
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#78 SIapshot
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[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="allnamestaken"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="allnamestaken"]

MarineJckson, you speak as if everyone else is being fooled. I hate to break it to you, but you are not the be all and end all decision maker of what is right and wrong for the U.S. People are different, democrats and Obama supporters are not having the wool pulled over their eyes. Their are many, probably the vast majority that like and support Obama because they agree with his principals and his vision of America. Yes that includes his policies that believe it or not, many democrats have actually looked at! And more astounding still, agreed with!

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You're right...as a democrat I won't have the wool pulled over my eyes. That is why I don't fall for the meaningless Obama catch phrases and look at his policies, his character, and his intelligence. As it is....I won't be voting for my party if as is most likely the case he is the candidate.

That's fine, as long as you have researched the topic and have made an informed decision. I'm just sick of baseless claims about Obama having no platform when they clearly haven't done any research.

It's no different than people claiming that Obama is the best presidential candidate without providing one single opinion on WHY they think that way...

I gave you a reason...

Thousand pardons, Engrish, sometimes our posts cross in cyberspace.
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#79 Engrish_Major
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I'm gonna quote Immortal Technique and say "and they might even have a black president but he's useless, CAUSE HE DOES NOT CONTROL THE ECCONOMY, STUPID." Seriously, it doesn't matter which president we get, America is screwed and no big change will occur. And seeing as how this is a gamespot forums, might as well choose the only president who actually likes video games. Silenthps

He doesn't 'control' the economy per se, but certainly has a lot of influence on it. More than any other one person.

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#80 Engrish_Major
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Thousand pardons, Engrish, sometimes our posts cross in cyberspace.SIapshot

Cool. (off topic- greatly looking forward to game 1 saturday!)

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#81 limpbizkit818
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One thing I really like is that he will repeal tax breaks and reduce our presence in the Middle East and use that money to rebuild our infrastructure, as well as creating 'green' jobs while researching renewable energy.

Engrish_Major

Yet at the same time he has called Iran a rouge state and has said "military options have to be on the table". He also has shown interests in bombing targets inside Pakistan.

How do you feel about his proposels to cut funding for NASA so he can use those funds to pump more money into a failed public schooling system?

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#82 LJS9502_basic
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One thing I really like is that he will repeal tax breaks and reduce our presence in the Middle East and use that money to rebuild our infrastructure, as well as creating 'green' jobs while researching renewable energy.

Engrish_Major

Taxes will be raised no matter who gets in to cover the cost of the Bush administrations. The Middle East is more complicated than that. It will be awhile before we can safely leave. As for creating green jobs....what is the cost estimate...what jobs is he looking toward....what will they pay? Seems more a vague promise than anything that will come to pass. Generally politicians promise what they think the people are interested in at the time and place and the environment is hot right now...as is the desire to get out of Iraq.

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#83 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

One thing I really like is that he will repeal tax breaks and reduce our presence in the Middle East and use that money to rebuild our infrastructure, as well as creating 'green' jobs while researching renewable energy.

limpbizkit818

Yet at the same time he has called Iran a rouge state and has said "military options have to be on the table". He also has shown interests in bombing targets inside Pakistan.

Also, how do you feel about his proposels to cut funding for NASA so he can use those funds to pump more money into a failed public schooling system?

A presidential candidate can never say that military options are never going to be used. That would be irresponsible and doom his / her candidacy. As for NASA, I do not care, and the public schooling system is failing because it is horribly underfunded. Do you know how much those poor teachers make?

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#84 LJS9502_basic
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A presidential candidate can never say that military options are never going to be used. That would be irresponsible and doom his / her candidacy. As for NASA, I do not care, and the public schooling system is failing because it is horribly underfunded. Do you know how much those poor teachers make?

Engrish_Major

I don't know where you live but here teachers are most definitely NOT underpaid.:|

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#85 Engrish_Major
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Taxes will be raised no matter who gets in to cover the cost of the Bush administrations. The Middle East is more complicated than that. It will be awhile before we can safely leave. As for creating green jobs....what is the cost estimate...what jobs is he looking toward....what will they pay? Seems more a vague promise than anything that will come to pass. Generally politicians promise what they think the people are interested in at the time and place and the environment is hot right now...as is the desire to get out of Iraq.

LJS9502_basic

Of course the environment is hot right now. We might be entering another oil crisis, and one without an end, unlike the previous ones. You don't agree that we need to find alternative energy solutions, and do it quickly? Yes, let's keep riding this train right off of the cliff...

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#86 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

A presidential candidate can never say that military options are never going to be used. That would be irresponsible and doom his / her candidacy. As for NASA, I do not care, and the public schooling system is failing because it is horribly underfunded. Do you know how much those poor teachers make?

LJS9502_basic

I don't know where you live but here teachers are most definitely NOT underpaid.:|

Your public school teachers are not? Reallly? Then it certainly is different than where I live.

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#87 SIapshot
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]I'm gonna quote Immortal Technique and say "and they might even have a black president but he's useless, CAUSE HE DOES NOT CONTROL THE ECCONOMY, STUPID." Seriously, it doesn't matter which president we get, America is screwed and no big change will occur. And seeing as how this is a gamespot forums, might as well choose the only president who actually likes video games. Engrish_Major

He doesn't 'control' the economy per se, but certainly has a lot of influence on it. More than any other one person.

Congress has more control over the economy than the president, the Democrats took control of Congress in '06. The economy started going downhill in ... '06. Vote another Democrat into office... sounds like a good idea. > In just one year. Remember the election in 2006?Thought you might > like to read the following: > > A little over one year ago: > 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high; > 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon; > 3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%. > > Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen: > 1) Consumer confidence plummet; > 2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon; > 3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase); > 4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate > (stock and mutual fund losses); > 5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars; > 6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure. > > America voted for change in 2006, and we got it! > Remember, it's Congress that makes law not the President. > He has to work with what's handed to him. >> >> Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these >> statistics enlightening and amazing. >> >>>>> www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html >> > Taxes under Clinton >> >> Taxes under Bush 2008 >> >> Single making 30K - tax $8,400-Clinton >> >> Single making 30K - tax $4,500-Bush >> >> Single making 50K - tax $14,000-Clinton >> Single making 50K - tax $12,500-Bush > >> Single making 75K - tax $23,250 - Clinton > >> Single making 75K - tax $18,750- Bush > >> Married making 60K - tax $16,800 - Cinton > >> Married making 60K- tax $9,000- Bush > >> Married making 75K - tax $21,000 -Clinton > >> Married making 75K - tax $18,750-Bush > >> Married making 125K - tax $38,750- Clinton > >> Married making 125K - tax $31,250-Bush >> That was written in '07. Things are even worse today.
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He doesn't love war like McCain?
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#89 Silenthps
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]I'm gonna quote Immortal Technique and say "and they might even have a black president but he's useless, CAUSE HE DOES NOT CONTROL THE ECCONOMY, STUPID." Seriously, it doesn't matter which president we get, America is screwed and no big change will occur. And seeing as how this is a gamespot forums, might as well choose the only president who actually likes video games. Engrish_Major

He doesn't 'control' the economy per se, but certainly has a lot of influence on it. More than any other one person.

The Federal Reserve pretty much have control over the economy and they're a private bank thats not regulated by the government. They can inflate or deflate the economy at their will. Only thing presidents usually do is raise and lower taxes and decide how much of the governments money (which is borrowed from the reserve) is distributed towards certain things.
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#90 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Taxes will be raised no matter who gets in to cover the cost of the Bush administrations. The Middle East is more complicated than that. It will be awhile before we can safely leave. As for creating green jobs....what is the cost estimate...what jobs is he looking toward....what will they pay? Seems more a vague promise than anything that will come to pass. Generally politicians promise what they think the people are interested in at the time and place and the environment is hot right now...as is the desire to get out of Iraq.

Engrish_Major

Of course the environment is hot right now. We might be entering another oil crisis, and one without an end, unlike the previous ones. You don't agree that we need to find alternative energy solutions, and do it quickly? Yes, let's keep riding this train right off of the cliff...

:lol: I love how people in OT insert comments not made in discussions. Amazing really...as anyone that has reading comprehension can see I didn't discuss that subject.

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#91 Engrish_Major
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That was written in '07. Things are even worse today.SIapshot

I don't think that's Congress's fault... how much do you think they could have reversed Bush's policies in a year?

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#92 Donkey_Puncher
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How do you feel about his proposels to cut funding for NASA so he can use those funds to pump more money into a failed public schooling system?

limpbizkit818

If anything, I would say restructuring the system and funding it better is a GOOD thing. No child left behind has to go.

If you fix education, it will make a lot of things better on down the road. The US is seriously lacking in the public schooling compard to Japan and Europe.

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#93 LJS9502_basic
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Your public school teachers are not? Reallly? Then it certainly is different than where I live.

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No they are not. They are highly compensated so that is obviously not a universal problem.

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#94 Engrish_Major
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:lol: I love how people in OT insert comments not made in discussions. Amazing really...as anyone that has reading comprehension can see I didn't discuss that subject.

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What? You didn't discuss green jobs or the environment in that post?

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I've never found any reason other than his opposition to nuclear weapons to vote for Obama
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#96 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

:lol: I love how people in OT insert comments not made in discussions. Amazing really...as anyone that has reading comprehension can see I didn't discuss that subject.

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What? You didn't discuss green jobs or the environment in that post?

No I asked for the specifics of his plans that you mentioned. I made no comment on what I thought in relation to his so-called green jobs. And there is apparently no specifics as you tried to turn the argument around and avoided mentioning any.

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#97 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

:lol: I love how people in OT insert comments not made in discussions. Amazing really...as anyone that has reading comprehension can see I didn't discuss that subject.

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What? You didn't discuss green jobs or the environment in that post?

No I asked for the specifics of his plans that you mentioned. I made no comment on what I thought in relation to his so-called green jobs. And there is apparently no specifics as you tried to turn the argument around and avoided mentioning any.

:roll: yes, apparently there are no specifics. I am, of course, the official Obama spokesperson on environmental policy.

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[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

One thing I really like is that he will repeal tax breaks and reduce our presence in the Middle East and use that money to rebuild our infrastructure, as well as creating 'green' jobs while researching renewable energy.

Engrish_Major

Yet at the same time he has called Iran a rouge state and has said "military options have to be on the table". He also has shown interests in bombing targets inside Pakistan.

Also, how do you feel about his proposels to cut funding for NASA so he can use those funds to pump more money into a failed public schooling system?

A presidential candidate can never say that military options are never going to be used. That would be irresponsible and doom his / her candidacy. As for NASA, I do not care, and the public schooling system is failing because it is horribly underfunded. Do you know how much those poor teachers make?

The public school system is failing WHERE? In inner-city ghettos? The horrible and violent inner-city INTEGRATED school system is failing miserably because of certain violent elements whose parents couldn't care less if their kids went to school or sold drugs in the streets is bringing down the national average. There's a reason homogenous cultures like Japan are ahead in the game, and "multicultural" nations like the US are way behind in worldwide averages.
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As for the title of the topic, I shall provide the opposite. One good, scratch that, great reason not to.

Partial Birth Abortion. He favors it.

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#100 Engrish_Major
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The public school system is failing WHERE? In inner-city ghettos? The horrible and violent inner-city INTEGRATED school system is failing miserably because of certain violent elements whose parents couldn't care less if their kids went to school or sold drugs in the streets is bringing down the national average. There's a reason homogenous cultures like Japan are ahead in the game, and "multicultural" nations like the US are way behind in worldwide averages.SIapshot

If you've ever been to an inner-city school, you'd understand why nobody wants to go there. Of course someone like McCain doesn't care about them either. It's time we had someone who did.