Open/Concealed Carry

Now I am aware that each state has its own laws for open-carry and concealed-carry of firearms.  But I am not very familiar with the gun laws in general.  It is legal to carry a firearm on your person in public with the correct documentation, but when exactly is it legal for one to use said firearm in public?  For example, if someone raises a weapon with intent to, or announcing intent to, inflict harm upon anyone and/or everyone (in public) would it be legal for you to shoot?  

Also, are there rules governing how you open-carry, such as you aren't allowed to have a full magazine, one in the chamber, etc? 

[QUOTE="Exiled_Badger"]

Now I am aware that each state has its own laws for open-carry and concealed-carry of firearms.  But I am not very familiar with the gun laws in general.  It is legal to carry a firearm on your person in public with the correct documentation, but when exactly is it legal for one to use said firearm in public?  For example, if someone raises a weapon with intent to, or announcing intent to, inflict harm upon anyone and/or everyone (in public) would it be legal for you to shoot?  

Also, are there rules governing how you open-carry, such as you aren't allowed to have a full magazine, one in the chamber, etc? 

The_Bug_Hunter

I much prefer open carry to conceal carry.Nuck81

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]I much prefer open carry to conceal carry.Exiled_Badger

Not a fan of open carry. It's pretty easy to disarm someone who uses a police officer type belt. Surprised police don't get shot with their own gun more often as I've seen them walk around with the holster open.

Not a fan of open carry. It's pretty easy to disarm someone who uses a police officer type belt. Surprised police don't get shot with their own gun more often as I've seen them walk around with the holster open.

Fightingfan

Concealed carry without the option to open carry because that way no one knows who is armed for sure.

Would much rather have open carry only. If people are armed I want to know it. Ace6301

We should all be able to own our own drone.

Much prefer concealed. Back home in Alaska, I had a gun on me 9 times out of 10 when in public. Nobody ever knew. Except for the one time I actually had to take it out.

Would much rather have open carry only. If people are armed I want to know it. Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Would much rather have open carry only. If people are armed I want to know it. DevilMightCry

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="Ace6301"]Would much rather have open carry only. If people are armed I want to know it. Ace6301

Unless you're insane,  your  gun poses no threat to the people around you, whether they know you have it or not.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Why? the_bi99man

Unless you're insane,  your  gun poses no threat to the people around you, whether they know you have it or not.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Why? the_bi99man

Unless you're insane,  your  gun poses no threat to the people around you, whether they know you have it or not.

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Because they're carrying a deadly weapon. That's fine if you can carry it legally but everyone around you should know you have it for their safety and your own. Fightingfan

Unless you're insane,  your  gun poses no threat to the people around you, whether they know you have it or not.

I said, "unless you're insane".

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Because they're carrying a deadly weapon. That's fine if you can carry it legally but everyone around you should know you have it for their safety and your own. Ace6301

Unless you're insane,  your  gun poses no threat to the people around you, whether they know you have it or not.

Oh. Another person who thinks guns work without operators. I'm not even getting into this. Enjoy your delusion.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Unless you're insane,  your  gun poses no threat to the people around you, whether they know you have it or not.

the_bi99man

Oh. Another person who thinks guns work without operators. I'm not even getting into this. Enjoy your delusion.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Unless you're insane,  your  gun poses no threat to the people around you, whether they know you have it or not.

the_bi99man

Oh. Another person who thinks guns work without operators. I'm not even getting into this. Enjoy your delusion.

lol Americans JustBeYourself

[QUOTE="JustBeYourself"]lol Americans EagleEyedOne

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="JustBeYourself"]lol Americans Fightingfan

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] No. YOU with that gun pose no threat maybe. The gun is still a huge threat.Fightingfan

Oh. Another person who thinks guns work without operators. I'm not even getting into this. Enjoy your delusion.

Right, because people looking to shoot up a place are going to wait around hoping someone walks by that is open carrying then procede to punch them (you would have to knock them out to get the gun), hope they only have a level 1 holster (which I would say most do not) and then shoot everyone that is just standing there watching this happen.   Probably the most idiotic statement I've ever seen in regards to carrying a gun.

And this also assumes the person carrying is a ditzy blonde who weighs 90 pounds.  (just because she is woman doesn't mean she isn't trained in handling the firearm :roll:  )

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Oh. Another person who thinks guns work without operators. I'm not even getting into this. Enjoy your delusion.

howlrunner13

Right because people looking to shootup a place are going to wait around hoping someone walks by that is open carrying then procede to punch them (you would have to knock them out to get the gun), hope they only have a level 1 holster (which I would say most do not) and then shoot everyone that is just standing there watching this happen.   Probably the most idiotic statement I've ever seen in regards to carrying a gun.

*Sex was redundant - I used a woman as an example of weakness. Realistically a woman wouldn't be able to overpower me, or the average man. 

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] I remember reading a study that showed when you treat prisoners with respect they're less like to repeat an offense. Example. Puting a rapist in prison with no psychological help via doctor. >Gets out after sentence. >rapes again. Put a rapist in a mental health ward with help to overcome his mental incompetence. >Less likely to commit a crime. I'll try and find it, but it was Europe's approach towards criminals Vs Americas. Europe is much more effect in preventing future crime. Fightingfan

Something like this would happen in result in more violence due to a gun being present.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF8s1Ot8Etg

Pretty easy to paralyze/disorient someone

[QUOTE="howlrunner13"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"] He means if a woman open carries all I need to do is punch her in the face take her gun and than I can go rambo style inside walmart. Fightingfan

Right because people looking to shootup a place are going to wait around hoping someone walks by that is open carrying then procede to punch them (you would have to knock them out to get the gun), hope they only have a level 1 holster (which I would say most do not) and then shoot everyone that is just standing there watching this happen.   Probably the most idiotic statement I've ever seen in regards to carrying a gun.

You say it provokes unwanted attention.  

You could also say it discourages unwanted behavior.

[QUOTE="JustBeYourself"]lol Americans EagleEyedOne

Something like this would happen in result in more violence due to a gun being present.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF8s1Ot8Etg

Pretty easy to paralyze/disorient someone

Fightingfan

Right... and if one of the people sitting there had been carrying the guy would have either a bullet in him or would have been detained and arrested...

And you can't say it WOULD have resulted in more violence.   Maybe if she was open carrying and he saw that he would never have swung the bottle at her.  You don't know.

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="JustBeYourself"]lol Americans JustBeYourself

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]

Something like this would happen in result in more violence due to a gun being present.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF8s1Ot8Etg

Pretty easy to paralyze/disorient someone

howlrunner13

Right... and if one of the people sitting there had been carrying the guy would have either a bullet in him or would have been detained and arrested...

And you can't say it WOULD have resulted in more violence.   Maybe if she was open carrying and he saw that he would never have swung the bottle at her.  You don't know.

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"] The relatives of the victim don't care. If a psycho rapes my sister I want him put away in a cement cell for the rest of his life. He deserves nothing.EagleEyedOne

Now I am aware that each state has its own laws for open-carry and concealed-carry of firearms.  But I am not very familiar with the gun laws in general.  It is legal to carry a firearm on your person in public with the correct documentation, but when exactly is it legal for one to use said firearm in public?  For example, if someone raises a weapon with intent to, or announcing intent to, inflict harm upon anyone and/or everyone (in public) would it be legal for you to shoot?  

Also, are there rules governing how you open-carry, such as you aren't allowed to have a full magazine, one in the chamber, etc? 

Exiled_Badger

This is a very state issue, with extreme variances in each.

In several states Open carry is a gaurinteed right for citizeens (example Kentucky), while in others it is restrictive/illegal (example Texas, yes Texas).

Concealed carry is the same with 3 tiers of regulation

Unrestricted (If you can own a gun, you can conciel it, Alaska)

Shall issue(pass standardized test like a driving license, Kentucky)

May issue (You can fully qualify, but without local authorities consent you don't get it{aka sherief can flick you off}, California)

Before, there was also Denied, but recent Supreme Court rulings forced Illinois (aka Chicago) to create a path to CCW.

However, each state has different limits too . Example "No Carry" signs on public propertiy are suggestions in Kentucky, but equal to law in Ohio.

As for self defience, it varies. Generaly a judge will toss a self defince case even with no laws necisarily protecting the defender.

But the current sue happy inviroment & increased CCW has spawned specific laws directly protecting defenders.

The two key laws being Castle Doctrine & Stand Your ground laws.

Though the specifics vary between the two (CD tied more to property & SYG more to individual), both allow the use of deadly force to defend yourself or others from immediate danger.

[QUOTE="howlrunner13"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]

Something like this would happen in result in more violence due to a gun being present.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF8s1Ot8Etg

Pretty easy to paralyze/disorient someone

Fightingfan

Right... and if one of the people sitting there had been carrying the guy would have either a bullet in him or would have been detained and arrested...

And you can't say it WOULD have resulted in more violence.   Maybe if she was open carrying and he saw that he would never have swung the bottle at her.  You don't know.

Stop making statements like these as if they are fact.   You don't know whether some who walked into a convenience store while open carrying just deterred someone who was about to rob the place. 

I will agree open carry has its drawbacks.   And I will agree that there are criminals who will see it as a chance to score a gun.   Situational awareness training should really probably be mandatory if you are going to open carry as it is your responsibilty to insure the security of your weapon at all times.   I just don't think your reasoning of "It will ALWAYS BRING MORE VIOLENCE" is justified.

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="howlrunner13"]

Right... and if one of the people sitting there had been carrying the guy would have either a bullet in him or would have been detained and arrested...

And you can't say it WOULD have resulted in more violence.   Maybe if she was open carrying and he saw that he would never have swung the bottle at her.  You don't know.

howlrunner13

Stop making statements like these as if they are fact.   You don't know whether some who walked into a convenience store while open carrying just deterred someone who was about to rob the place.

I will agree open carry has its drawbacks.   And I will agree that there are criminals who will see it as a chance to score a gun.   Situational awareness training should really probably be mandatory if you are going to open carry as it is your responsibilty to insure the security of your weapon at all times.   I just don't think your reasoning of "It will ALWAYS BRING MORE VIOLENCE" is justified.

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="JustBeYourself"] I'm not Norwegian, also pretty sure he's never going to get out of prison so your point is moot.JustBeYourself

[QUOTE="howlrunner13"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"] I'm not debating carrying. I'm debating open carrying. in that situation no one had a gun, concealed or open and look what happened - if she had a gun displayed openly that man would of probably done more damage after knocking her unconscious by taking the gun afterwards. Open carrying a gun doesn't deter violence, look at police officers getting assaulted regularly.Fightingfan

Stop making statements like these as if they are fact.   You don't know whether some who walked into a convenience store while open carrying just deterred someone who was about to rob the place.

I will agree open carry has its drawbacks.   And I will agree that there are criminals who will see it as a chance to score a gun.   Situational awareness training should really probably be mandatory if you are going to open carry as it is your responsibilty to insure the security of your weapon at all times.   I just don't think your reasoning of "It will ALWAYS BRING MORE VIOLENCE" is justified.

He deserves solitary confinement. He doesn't even deserve an hour out of his cell for the rest of his life.EagleEyedOne

I love the argument that civilians carrying a gun helps prevent crime or stop a crime in progress.

I am sorry, but if I am a in a hostage situation, etc... I don't want some idiot pulling out a gun and getting in a shootout with the criminal while I stand amongst them.

And now someone argues against this "well what about people like in columbine and the likes, an active shooter?"... I would much rather we refine the system so that f-cking insane people can't get guns.  But hey, who am I kidding? You people would rather just have gun fights in the streets and carry weapons everywhere you go than have one iota of further gun regulation.