Orson Scott Card hates J.K Rowling

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Orson scott card, writer of the enders games series, apparently seems to hate J.K Rowling. I actually agree with many of what he says in the article, though some insults toward her are a bit harsh. What do you guys think?

Premier1101

Ender's Game = awesome first book, not sure bout the others

Harry= Awesome first few books, loses it towards the end, but some good parts.

Both writers are great. They are talented, and people read their books. Plus JK is more popular than OSC, so its easy to pick on someone more renown than you. :P I dont want to watch it right now though.

as a person who has read enders game and the first harry harry potter book, I must say I agree completely with everything Orson Scott Card has said, and I found that other link in the article to be very amusing which shows exactly where most of Rowlings ideas came fromandyboiii

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="lobodob"]This thread should have a poll....lobodob

What would the poll be for? In support of J.K Rowling or against her?

Then this thread would turn into a battle of opinions, as a writer Orson Scott card is defiantly better but some prefer J.K Rowling for her storytelling. This thread isnt about who is better anyway.

Please don't degenerate this thread into a pointless 'Rowling's work VS. Card's work' as that was not the point of the article that Card written.

What he was criticising though, was her clear hypocrisy, and 'pick on the small guy' mentality.

Please don't degenerate this thread into a pointless 'Rowling's work VS. Card's work' as that was not the point of the article that Card written.

What he was criticising though, was her clear hypocrisy, and 'pick on the small guy' mentality.

MetalGear_Ninty

My intention was the discussion of the article to begin with, unfortunatly it may turn into a Rowling vs Card thread.

J.K. Rowling is one of the more overrated authors out there at the moment. GodLovesDead

Agreed, her books are cliche, have one dimensional characters and plots, yet they get nothing but praise. Even Stephen King Praises them, though mostly because they got kids reading rather than the actual books. He and a bunch on other authors sent J.K Rowling a message telling her she shouldnt kill of harry. This coming from an author who kills off his characters all the time!

I agree with him

as a person who has read enders game and the first harry harry potter book, I must say I agree completely with everything Orson Scott Card has said, and I found that other link in the article to be very amusing which shows exactly where most of Rowlings ideas came fromandyboiii

I thought that was interesting too, i didnt realize Neil Gaiman had an influence on her. Then again i havent read many of his books yet.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Orson Scott Card is more popular to book readers than Rowling. :?SuperMooseman

Sorry to sound like a complete and utter nob, but I'd say that JK Rowling is far more popular to people who read books than Orson Scott Card. JK's fanbase is huge.

I'm not a reader, but I've never heard of this Orson Scott Card before. However, I have heard of J.K Rowling. Sounds like this guy is a sore loser. Whatever his books are, they can't be as popular as Harry Potter. However, if they are, I probably still haven't heard of them, but I don't ever read books anymore.metallica_fan42

Even though I am not a big fan of J.K Rowlings books I am curious to see what else she does after Harry Potter, right now that seems to be all she has. I know she wrote a few short stories, but I mean real novels. Film-Guy

Supposedly, she is working on some sort of mystery/crime novel. Hopefully, she'll write the encyclopedia for the Harry Potter series at some point too.

I read it and this Card character sounds overly bitter that Rowling is more of a household name, even if his points are valid. If anything, the result of that article made me interested to seek out his stuff. Either way, the Harry Potter novels are all among my favorite books. I could care less if people perceive them as childish, cliche, and uncomplex.

A lot of the Harry Potter bashing seems to be coming from people who didn't even bother reading the whole series. It's fine not wanting to trudge through something that you don't take to right off the bat, but she improved dramatically after the first two books in particular.

Orson Scott Card>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>J.K. Rowlingkiller_is_me

Orson Scott Card is one of my favorite authors, I couldn't read Harry Potter past book 4, I agree completely with this.

[QUOTE="metallica_fan42"]I'm not a reader, but I've never heard of this Orson Scott Card before. However, I have heard of J.K Rowling. Sounds like this guy is a sore loser. Whatever his books are, they can't be as popular as Harry Potter. However, if they are, I probably still haven't heard of them, but I don't ever read books anymore.Jandurin

You didnt read it yet you call him a dumbass and say his opinions are mostyl wrong:|

Why can't an author critisize another author without being called jealous? He made some good points yet people dont even read the article and call him a dumbass.Film-Guy

They've probably never actually read anything by Orson Scott Card

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]Even though I am not a big fan of J.K Rowlings books I am curious to see what else she does after Harry Potter, right now that seems to be all she has. I know she wrote a few short stories, but I mean real novels. Saruman1719

Supposedly, she is working on some sort of mystery/crime novel. Hopefully, she'll write the encyclopedia for the Harry Potter series at some point too.

I read it and this Card character sounds overly bitter that Rowling is more of a household name, even if his points are valid. If anything, the result of that article made me interested to seek out his stuff. Either way, the Harry Potter novels are all among my favorite books. I could care less if people perceive them as childish, cliche, and uncomplex.

A lot of the Harry Potter bashing seems to be coming from people who didn't even bother reading the whole series. It's fine not wanting to trudge through something that you don't take to right off the bat, but she improved dramatically after the first two books in particular.

I read the whole series hoping it would get better but to me it didnt, it just got a bit darker. I think Harry potter is cliche and one dimensional and I agree with most of Orson scott cards points.

I like J.K. Rowling even better now.

I like J.K. Rowling even better now.

Hom3_Pwn3r

Because she sued somebody for a dumb reason and isnt original?

[QUOTE="Hom3_Pwn3r"]

I like J.K. Rowling even better now.

Film-Guy

Because she sued somebody for a dumb reason and isnt original?

[QUOTE="metallica_fan42"]I'm not a reader, but I've never heard of this Orson Scott Card before. However, I have heard of J.K Rowling. Sounds like this guy is a sore loser. Whatever his books are, they can't be as popular as Harry Potter. However, if they are, I probably still haven't heard of them, but I don't ever read books anymore.Jandurin

Hehe. If you had known better you would have known that there have been many scripts for a Ender's Game movie but all of them just weren't good enough so they were scrapped. At least it will get an XBLA game. It's sad that you two have never even heared of Card or Ender's Game because it is a classic that should be read by everyone who cares about books.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Hom3_Pwn3r"]

I like J.K. Rowling even better now.

Hom3_Pwn3r

Because she sued somebody for a dumb reason and isnt original?

So you think more of her because he pointed out her flaws? I don't get your logic.

[QUOTE="Saruman1719"]

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]Even though I am not a big fan of J.K Rowlings books I am curious to see what else she does after Harry Potter, right now that seems to be all she has. I know she wrote a few short stories, but I mean real novels. Film-Guy

Supposedly, she is working on some sort of mystery/crime novel. Hopefully, she'll write the encyclopedia for the Harry Potter series at some point too.

I read it and this Card character sounds overly bitter that Rowling is more of a household name, even if his points are valid. If anything, the result of that article made me interested to seek out his stuff. Either way, the Harry Potter novels are all among my favorite books. I could care less if people perceive them as childish, cliche, and uncomplex.

A lot of the Harry Potter bashing seems to be coming from people who didn't even bother reading the whole series. It's fine not wanting to trudge through something that you don't take to right off the bat, but she improved dramatically after the first two books in particular.

I read the whole series hoping it would get better but to me it didnt, it just got a bit darker. I think Harry potter is cliche and one dimensional and I agree with most of Orson scott cards points.

Yeah, I meant most of the bashing. I kind of got the feeling that you at least read it. I don't really think the series is any more cliche than a majority of the genre and I think it is a bit deeper than some people credit it for.

I think he makes some good points too. In the end, his criticism is not going to make me suddenly want to trash Potter. I am happy I read this though because his books sound interesting too.

[QUOTE="Hom3_Pwn3r"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="Hom3_Pwn3r"]

I like J.K. Rowling even better now.

Film-Guy

Because she sued somebody for a dumb reason and isnt original?

So you think more of her because he pointed out her flaws? I don't get your logic.

Harry Potter is basically an encylopedia of fantasy cliches, and 'references' to other fantasy fiction.

Foolz3h

And yet, it still makes a good read.

meh, Card's a bit of a failure in my book. good try with the Ender's series though.allnamestaken

How is an author who wrote many good books and short stories a failure?

[QUOTE="allnamestaken"]meh, Card's a bit of a failure in my book. good try with the Ender's series though.Film-Guy

How is an author who wrote many good books and short stories a failure?

IMO of course, but I wasn't a fan of the Ender's series and now he comes out bashing a successful writer in Rowling. He should stick to writing his semi-popular series and leave more successful writers alone.

Well, I read two of the Harry Potter books, fun in there own part but not too deep. It wasn't what I was looking for. Enders game just jumped right into the mind of Ender. But this isn't what he is writting about. He makes good points, she used and praised this Lexicon and is now sueing him. SHe is an attention ***** for lack of a better word and it was clear when she made dumbledore homosexual for no apperant reason. She has ran out of material and is looking for attention. Ravirr

I think he is perfectly justified in critisizing her, even if it is a little harsh. J.K does seem to be a little desperate for attention since the Harry Potter books ended.

[QUOTE="Ravirr"]Well, I read two of the Harry Potter books, fun in there own part but not too deep. It wasn't what I was looking for. Enders game just jumped right into the mind of Ender. But this isn't what he is writting about. He makes good points, she used and praised this Lexicon and is now sueing him. SHe is an attention ***** for lack of a better word and it was clear when she made dumbledore homosexual for no apperant reason. She has ran out of material and is looking for attention. Film-Guy

I think he is perfectly justified in critisizing her, even if it is a little harsh. J.K does seem to be a little desperate for attention since the Harry Potter books ended.

I think he is justified too, I stopped having respect for Rowling after the stupid Dumbledore is gay thing. Just a big arse publicity stunt and the fact she did it after sales so it wouldn't affect it her. I'm very glad that OSC feels the same way as I do. haha

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[QUOTE="Ravirr"]Well, I read two of the Harry Potter books, fun in there own part but not too deep. It wasn't what I was looking for. Enders game just jumped right into the mind of Ender. But this isn't what he is writting about. He makes good points, she used and praised this Lexicon and is now sueing him. SHe is an attention ***** for lack of a better word and it was clear when she made dumbledore homosexual for no apperant reason. She has ran out of material and is looking for attention. Ravirr

I think he is perfectly justified in critisizing her, even if it is a little harsh. J.K does seem to be a little desperate for attention since the Harry Potter books ended.

I think he is justified too, I stopped having respect for Rowling after the stupid Dumbledore is gay thing. Just a big arse publicity stunt and the fact she did it after sales so it wouldn't affect it her. I'm very glad that OSC feels the same way as I do. haha

Did she ever explain the dumbledoor being gay thing? I never really saw the point of making him gay was it just to look contriversial?

[QUOTE="Ravirr"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="Ravirr"]Well, I read two of the Harry Potter books, fun in there own part but not too deep. It wasn't what I was looking for. Enders game just jumped right into the mind of Ender. But this isn't what he is writting about. He makes good points, she used and praised this Lexicon and is now sueing him. SHe is an attention ***** for lack of a better word and it was clear when she made dumbledore homosexual for no apperant reason. She has ran out of material and is looking for attention. Film-Guy

I think he is perfectly justified in critisizing her, even if it is a little harsh. J.K does seem to be a little desperate for attention since the Harry Potter books ended.

I think he is justified too, I stopped having respect for Rowling after the stupid Dumbledore is gay thing. Just a big arse publicity stunt and the fact she did it after sales so it wouldn't affect it her. I'm very glad that OSC feels the same way as I do. haha

Did she ever explain the dumbledoor being gay thing? I never really saw the point of making him gay was it just to look contriversial?

Probably, I never read into it too much. She tried to make some lame excuse for it. But once the book had been released for a while to come out and say he was gay was just down rediculous. I think it was just to be popular and be liek OMG she is sticking up for gay rights by making him gay or something as this was during one of the big gay rights time periods.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="Ravirr"]Well, I read two of the Harry Potter books, fun in there own part but not too deep. It wasn't what I was looking for. Enders game just jumped right into the mind of Ender. But this isn't what he is writting about. He makes good points, she used and praised this Lexicon and is now sueing him. SHe is an attention ***** for lack of a better word and it was clear when she made dumbledore homosexual for no apperant reason. She has ran out of material and is looking for attention. Ravirr

I think he is perfectly justified in critisizing her, even if it is a little harsh. J.K does seem to be a little desperate for attention since the Harry Potter books ended.

I think he is justified too, I stopped having respect for Rowling after the stupid Dumbledore is gay thing. Just a big arse publicity stunt and the fact she did it after sales so it wouldn't affect it her. I'm very glad that OSC feels the same way as I do. haha

Same here, but I never heard of OSC or the Ender's Game, might check it out(if I can find it that is)

I still like HP though.

[QUOTE="Ravirr"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="Ravirr"]Well, I read two of the Harry Potter books, fun in there own part but not too deep. It wasn't what I was looking for. Enders game just jumped right into the mind of Ender. But this isn't what he is writting about. He makes good points, she used and praised this Lexicon and is now sueing him. SHe is an attention ***** for lack of a better word and it was clear when she made dumbledore homosexual for no apperant reason. She has ran out of material and is looking for attention. Lonelynight

I think he is perfectly justified in critisizing her, even if it is a little harsh. J.K does seem to be a little desperate for attention since the Harry Potter books ended.

I think he is justified too, I stopped having respect for Rowling after the stupid Dumbledore is gay thing. Just a big arse publicity stunt and the fact she did it after sales so it wouldn't affect it her. I'm very glad that OSC feels the same way as I do. haha

Same here, but I never heard of OSC or the Ender's Game, might check it out(if I can find it that is)

I still like HP though.

I just finished reading Enders game and I'm not a reader. I read maybe a book a year. I could not put this book down. I would read about 75 pages a day I read it in a week. Its amazing.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Ravirr"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="Ravirr"]Well, I read two of the Harry Potter books, fun in there own part but not too deep. It wasn't what I was looking for. Enders game just jumped right into the mind of Ender. But this isn't what he is writting about. He makes good points, she used and praised this Lexicon and is now sueing him. SHe is an attention ***** for lack of a better word and it was clear when she made dumbledore homosexual for no apperant reason. She has ran out of material and is looking for attention. Ravirr

I think he is perfectly justified in critisizing her, even if it is a little harsh. J.K does seem to be a little desperate for attention since the Harry Potter books ended.

I think he is justified too, I stopped having respect for Rowling after the stupid Dumbledore is gay thing. Just a big arse publicity stunt and the fact she did it after sales so it wouldn't affect it her. I'm very glad that OSC feels the same way as I do. haha

Same here, but I never heard of OSC or the Ender's Game, might check it out(if I can find it that is)

I still like HP though.

I just finished reading Enders game and I'm not a reader. I read maybe a book a year. I could not put this book down. I would read about 75 pages a day I read it in a week. Its amazing.

Read Ender's Shadow, it's even better imo

[QUOTE="Ravirr"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Ravirr"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="Ravirr"]Well, I read two of the Harry Potter books, fun in there own part but not too deep. It wasn't what I was looking for. Enders game just jumped right into the mind of Ender. But this isn't what he is writting about. He makes good points, she used and praised this Lexicon and is now sueing him. SHe is an attention ***** for lack of a better word and it was clear when she made dumbledore homosexual for no apperant reason. She has ran out of material and is looking for attention. Bloodaxe726

I think he is perfectly justified in critisizing her, even if it is a little harsh. J.K does seem to be a little desperate for attention since the Harry Potter books ended.

I think he is justified too, I stopped having respect for Rowling after the stupid Dumbledore is gay thing. Just a big arse publicity stunt and the fact she did it after sales so it wouldn't affect it her. I'm very glad that OSC feels the same way as I do. haha

Same here, but I never heard of OSC or the Ender's Game, might check it out(if I can find it that is)

I still like HP though.

I just finished reading Enders game and I'm not a reader. I read maybe a book a year. I could not put this book down. I would read about 75 pages a day I read it in a week. Its amazing.

Read Ender's Shadow, it's even better imo

I'm reading Confession of an Economic hitman, then I'm gonna go on to Speaker for the dead, and finish up Enders story before I move on to bean.